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What beginner riders don't seem to understand is that a horse is dangerous. They can, and do, kill people. We had a professional trainer killed recently, blunt force trauma to the chest. No one saw it happened but he was either kicked or run over while trying to load a horse into a trailer. The owner here needs to take riding lessons on an old lesson horse. This guy Ryan and most pros make it look easy. It's not. It's a very high risk profession. And as the owner found out the hard way, you can get life altering injuries. Get yourself an old schoolmaster horse and take lessons. Stay far away from the barely broke youngsters.
AMEN!!! And it makes me crazy when I see parents buy a horse for their kids because they think it would be a fun experience and then don't take the necessary precautions. Horses can be so unpredictable and get spooked easily unless you have a 30 year old half dead one. This guy needs to do exactly as you suggested. It can take years for a to trust a new owner. Especially if you've haven't been a long time horse owner. 🐴🐴🐴
Beginner riders don’t understand because there are so many “sellers” out there happy and willing to take their money while lying about the level of training and then “trainers” willing to do as little as possible while stringing them along to make more money. Stop blaming the rider for others’ predation.
Well said. I wish Blaine well, but I think this particular horse is a "project" for an advanced rider. And especially since he is now already injured, and let's face it, no spring chicken.
@@RoseSharon7777The OP who implied beginning riders “don’t understand” and he’s right. those who prey on that lack of understanding are equally at fault. So yes, predation upon the vulnerable who are trying to embrace a therapeutic solution via connection to a sweet, loving albeit dangerous animal
Shame on whoever sold this lovely man (beginner rider) a green 4 year old. So glad he is getting professional help now! Thank you for your service, Sir! God bless you!
Apparently not too many people actually listened to the video where Ryan mentions that the horse was recently trimmed a bit too short, which is why he's moving the way he is. I honestly don't recommend green on green, yet at the same time I have seen amazing results when the work is put in. 45 years ago I, myself, bought a 2 year old after "reading some books". I made a ton of mistakes, but we also won some ribbons. I stuck with it, and made horses my career (25 years as a farrier now). This man clearly bounced back undeterred and did groundwork with this horse. If they have a bond, I say let's encourage them to make this work. I'm sure if Ryan honestly thought the man was over horsed he would have said so.
Dutton is pretty well fed. Plenty of energy. I love Ryan’s assessments. He reads every little detail in the horse. He’s like working with an interpreter. Always so interesting!
Im glad he didnt get more hurt! A fractured spine is no joke, but that could have been a lot worse. Glad he's getting the help he needs. A horse doesnt automatically know how to ride 😅
Great that he has realised he needs help with the horse, hopefully he is well on the way to recovery, after his injuries. We have a saying in the U.K. “Green & Green = Black & Blue”, meaning a green horse and a green rider = an injured rider. It’s a genuine misconception I think with people new to horses, that they can just be ridden, I’m so pleased that he’s getting help and can’t wait to see the progress (be lovely to see how this works out). ❤
Sign at my riding school. “For fast riders we have fast horses. For slow riders we have slow horses. For people who’ve never ridden before, we have horses who’ve never been ridden before. “
Straight away, he says the horse is green (just 4 years old) and he himself is green and has barely ridden at all. Add in that he's older and therefore naturally less flexible, and what went wrong is pretty obvious
Nice horse. Clearly, as you have pointed out so diplomatically, he needs an experienced person. Seems like this man should find his horse an experienced person and buy himself a more laid back, older horse. They will both have a lot more fun.
I have a close relative with spinal cord injury so know the community. A significant number of these life-changing injuries are sustained from horse related accidents, what surprised me most was that these patients are not green riders but experienced horse owners and professionals like trainers and jockeys, it appears the biggest risk factor is the amount of time spent around horses not inexperience. This veteran was lucky.
You're a great horseman for sure. As a dog trainer and horse rider I appreciate common sense and a logical thoughtful approach that takes into account the physical horse - genetics and instincts! I've seen too much spiritual nonsense when it comes to horse training. (Not that I think all spiritual stuff is nonsense; I'm a Christian after all, it's kind of in the job description 😂😂) God made a logical world, and His animals follow logical rules of psychology, just like we do (for the most part). You always seem to be searching for those psychological reasons for behaviour which I appreciate! Please keep up the good work!
Until a few years ago I had been involved with horses for over 40 years, and I have met some great horses that try their hardest to please, and are comfortable with whatever you ask of them right from the get go! However, I have also dealt with horses that were the opposite, and these needed that extra bit of work to make them into a useful companion. I agree with the comments here that what most beginner riders, working with green or uneducated horses, don’t realise that this can be an extremely dangerous situation for both horse and rider. I have seen some horrible wrecks that injured both horse and rider, simply because their combined experience did not match the rider’s skill level, or the horse was not ready for what he was asked to do. Ryan is well aware of this, and in this case, his advice is solid; give the rider some lessons, and have this beautiful little horse get some experience under a trainer. I love watching Ryan work his magic on this channel, and as I am unable to ride, or even handle horses anymore due to age and a complaining body, his work brings back so many memories for me. Greetings to all horse lovers, from Australia 🇦🇺 !
Trying this today! My mustang has seemingly great groundwork but something was missing because 4 out 5 rides hes great, but then he would buck during an occasional ride, even at a walk. Hoping this helps! Thank you so much! He may have some tension I was missing.
Please thank this warrior on my behalf for his service! 🇺🇸 The fact he is sticking with his horse in spite of his wreak shows even more that he is made of the Right Stuff! A smart man to know when he needs advice. Glad he found someone like you to help with his adventure.
I have never heard of a gelding making sheath noise from tension. Always heard that it was air in the sheath. Where did you find that information on this?
Great insights. I like the explaination of sidepassing , the ribs being flexible and finding relaxation in the movement. Thank you Blane for your service.
I have always heard green and green isnt a good combo, glad things turned out alright! I have been around horses my entire life and have spent the last few years deeply educating myself on equine subjects such as care, nutrition, riding, and groundwork/behavior and so much more, I JUST bought myself my first horse, I am 22, she is a 12yo, registered QH bay mare, a little more go than woah, and an overall good girl. Always was a gelding girl til I met Travaler.. I am so excited for all I have to learn from her!! Ryan, you have taught me so much. Thank you for helping my dreams become a reality! I will continue to tune in and I will never stop learning!
Ryan you're amazing with these wonderful animals ❤️ you're inspiring and a great horse whisperer... you're well able to train them and you make it look so easy. It's great to see you working with them and achieving success in fixing the problem. Good job 👍. I've been riding for 11 years and working with horses for 8 years love these animals.. you're very talented .. I'd love to be like you.. you're a real horse master.. it's very rare to have a talent like yours. I wish I had it . but I'm going to keep working on it.. thanks for sharing this.
@@CynthiaLSimmons no need to be my sister was afraid to ride too until I asked my instructor to train her slowly over 6 months.. I took lessons as well..we worked at it a few days a week.. and now she's riding with a couple of years and enjoys it.. with the right horse and good teacher you don't need to be afraid of anything..you just need to do it it builds your confidence in so many areas of life.. just make a decision to start.
I'm excited for the next video! I'm curious what made you decide not to put the lariat around this horse's barrel since the thought was that he had issues with the back cinch?
I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel don’t change a thing you explain yourself and the horse great if I understand you could teach a rock how to float👍
@ryanrosehorsemanship this is a great video with insight to reactions to pressure and space. I always pick up on subtleties the mor I watch you work. So….cluck when you want the horse to?? Kiss when you want the horse to??🤷🏻♂️
He also mentioned that he hadn’t been ridden a lot probably not a lot of ground work when you take on a green horse, you have to expect to work at at least five days a week. He’s not an older experienced boy that you can throw out in the pasture for a month come back and you get the same horse It sounds like an owner problem.
Please have a lot of liability insurance on your horse business. This guy let you know he had surgery for a broken back when you met him . Please dont let him get back on the horse unless his surgeon gives you a signed release letting him ride horses again.
Slowly and steadily, as in consistent work every 2 to 3 days so his muscles can recover and strengthen, like a body builders. Gradually increase the distance or length of time and intensity of the work you're asking him to do, with frequent walk and rest breaks to catch his breath. Be considerate and don't push him too hard. Some days may be off days and he won't feel well enough to do what you planned. So be flexible and read his body language and mood of the day. Weather can have a big impact too, especially in older horses. They may feel soreness in their joints when a storm is in the area.
When I taught writing are used to tell people don’t spend your money now on a horse. Spend your money on lessons please people be ready for what you’re getting into.
Has that horse been left alone for a year while the owner has back surgery and spine rehab? Can Ryan talk some sense into him to get an older horse and move this one on to a trainer/owner?
Yeh I confused why the recommendation was to put the horse in training. I think he needs to sell this horse (because it’s a great horse for the right person, one who rides well or reads horses well).. and Ryan should instead help find this wonderful veteran an older more experienced horse, aka help him try some horses out that are more suited for his skill level currently. This horse clearly isn't going to get the riding or daily groundwork needed to continue to be successful, just because the owner is green at no fault of his own. I feel people don’t get is it takes years to make a truly safe and great horse for a beginner in the future.. the guy should have a horse he can have fun with now.
IMO instead of using go fund me money to train this horse, the money should be used as boot to trade this horse for a good, broke older horse for the owner. That would be money well spent. Maybe the trainer Ryan wants the horse to go to knows of a good one.
I have a 4 year old OTTB whom is sensitive left brained and he hasn’t been lounged much at all or ever but when I put pressure on for him to go forward on a circle he braces doesn’t bend through his rib cage and bolts. His ground manners are worse than under saddle but I am sure these holes can come under saddle too so love these teaching videos for safety. This isn’t my first OTTB so I do have experience but horses are dangerous if you’re not careful.
Not to be rude or anything, but If ground manners are bad, why are you under saddle at all? I don’t do any riding until ground manners and liberty work are 100% working and my horse is communicating and responding to all cues and voice commandsand after spending a gazillion hours hanging around above them in both eyes (prevents sacredness or bolting behavior), horses sometimes bolt because they are afraid of the human or the pressure of the human. I just think so many people get hurt because they don’t spend time doing groundwork or don’t understand what groundwork should be... My mustang spent 8mo daily training from myself just on gentling and groundwork… and now we can do spins, trot circles under saddle in just a neck rope or halter and sometimes completely bridle-less.. we got bows, head down cues, liberty circles, power steering shoulder control cues, etc, etc.. all taught on the ground first . If you’re consistent and your horse knows what to expect… horses stop being scared. You can also incorporate random positive reinforcement… makes horses motivated and avoids them looking for bolting or ways to end to session….. just saying
@@alisonjem OTTB are very broke for the most part and a lot of them come with baggage, so yes true ground work needs to happen but OTTB are ridden for the most part and they don’t get much “ground work” which can set up for dangerous situation. He is excellent under saddle but horrible ground manners.
First of all, I have been watching Ryan's videos and I think he is a really good horse trainer. My experience is, one of the primary reasons horses buck is because of pain and I promise you this horse is in pain. I believe when a horse behaves the way this one is, we need to ask why. In this horses case, what I see is pain. I strongly suggest, if you palpated the hip joints and the sacrum you would find he is really sore. He is also possibly has ribs out. The good news is, in my experience, more often than not these problems can be corrected by a good equine chiropractor. The fundamental reason this horse bucks is that he is sore in the hips. He is under tracking. A horse should put his hind foot in the track of the front foot. This horse can't move his leg forward because he is sore. When Ryan is asking to side pass and disengage his hindquarters he isn't really stepping underneath and disengaging. When Ryan is moving him around and asking his hindquarters to move his back end is really stiff and he is snaping his tail back and forth, a sure sign of pain. Most of us are not trained to look for pain as the reason for unwanted behaviors. I believe there are thousands of horses that are euthanized or passed from one owner to another because of behaviors rooted in pain that hurt people. Often those horses wind up at auctions and ultimately to Mexico. Again, I want to express my admiration for Ryan's skills and his good judgement in not getting on the horse.
Dutton is built to be heavy on the forehand as he's got a short hip and heavier front end. His back legs are also more posted up. Conditioning will help him somewhat. Agreed he looks choppy and short strided, but that could be due to too much hoof trimmed off. His go to is definitely bucking when he doesn't like or want to do something. That's a hard thing to change. I learned a long time ago never to get on a horse until he untracks behind (crossing his back legs over when asked to move haunches.
I noticed he’s also forging. Probably associated with the hip pain and not being able to engage his back(?) he throws his head up instead of engaging his back and hind end, then when he comes down he just jams his toes into the dirt. I wonder if the ferrier was trying to correct the forging thinking it was long toes and that’s why they say he was trimmed short?
I was just skimming the comments to see if anyone suggested he be looked at by a good equine chiropractor. When a horse bucks like that, it's the first thing I have done....and I learned that lesson the hard way. Luckily I baled before the mare killed me. What the chiro found is nothing I'll ever forget. Just had my current mare looked at by a chiro that finally knew what he was doing. I knew I saw something...and I sure found out I was right. When others said nothing was wrong, I know my mare enough to know something was wrong. My opinion, this horse really needs to be looked at by a chiro.
Looks like a stifle issue to me. I’ve been reading through the comments and allegedly the horse was trimmed too short. This doesn’t really look like that. Looks like more is going on.
Im really struggling with my pony hes a Kaimanawa (New Zealands wild horses) he was musterd in 2018 as a yearling hes had basic training he can be saddle and used to be able to be ridden but we had an incident where he got a fright and bucked and i fell off and now everytime i try to mount him he turns into a bronc is there something im missing iv tried taking him back to basics but we are really struggling just need some advice if possible could i message you ?
Have Ryan or another trainer work with him for at least a month. Then take lessons from same trainer so you're both on the same page and you can get immediate help/feedback as issues arise. Best wishes!
Interesting. I've been watching Tim Anderson's videos - he's very big on getting the horse's respect at all times during an interaction, and I've learned a lot from them that chimes with my hard won experience over the last 40 years or so. And he's a master horseman with a major talent for reading horse body language and social interaction. I like your videos, and your methods, but I think this horse does need a good dose of old fashioned respect before he'd be safe for a beginner rider. And maybe not even then. He's deceptively quiet to handle on the ground. I think under saddle he's going to try to bully the rider - and so isn't at all suitable for a novice rider. I had a mare like that once - she put me in hospital a couple of times before I realised that she thought SHE was in control when under saddle and moreover that she had the right to violently object to any command that didn't suit her. And she enforced that right fairly savagely. On the ground or on the lunge she was compliant even sweet. Very hard to train - I sold her without a character after the second hospital stay. I couldn't deal with her - it would have taken a much better horseman than me to get her to obey under saddle. This was 25 years ago, but I still regret doing that. She almost certainly ended up in a kill pen. Maybe better that than me ending up in the morgue though.
Something that might help… Positive reinforcement training goes a long way with horses that most class as “difficult.” You can train your horse that you do listen to them so things don’t ever escalate undersaddle if there is confusion, refusal, or misunderstanding. Like I do a lot with mustangs is what’s called A and B level behavior. Go back to an easy behavior they already know if they are getting stress from a hard behavior you asked for… then you go back to the hard behavior under saddle… gets the horse in a better frame of mind when you can occasionally reward them for trying.. either with scratches vocal good jobs, or random treats. Your equine partner should have something in it for them too… provide motivation and you don’t end up with horses who want to buck, throw you off, bolt, etc… I trained my mustang that I listen… if she is uncomfortable or it’s too much training for the day undersaddle..she just bends her neck at me, and swishes the tail a little… so I ask for some half passes and sidepasses and maybe her spin (behaviors she knows well and likes)… then I get off… my horse gets the break she needs…. I wanted to right this because my mare has probably a very similar personality to yours but I changed all that with behavior modification through positive reinforcement and minimal negative reinforcement liberty work… all horses no matter personality can be trained to be exceptional… sometimes people don’t understand that it’s not all all “Respect.” Any horse that is consistently worked hard.. no matter how well trained may be what people call buckets, bolsters.. because they look for a way out to end the riding session… We can do better for our horses than that. I hope this message finds you well if you do read it , it is not intended to be rude, it’s just that I find training is more about two way communication than “Respect.”… but yes the horse needs to know you are the leader… but that you also listen to them.. to me that’s the most important lesson I’ve ever learned with horses. I just want less horses ending up in the kill pen from linear horse training thinking out there.
He admitted that he is green, and the horse is green. Why do inexperienced people buy green horses he doesn’t need this horse. He needs one that will give him the pleasure. He’s seeking it’s not fair to either one of them.
What I don't understand is that you never mention the (worried and worrying) tail action in the horse. 90% of the time when he's asked to do something he's swishing his tail in frustration - not a good sign, and certainly not a sign of relaxation. I would never ever recommand this horse to a green rider, not even after it has gotten more experienced in being ridden.
This horse looks tight and sore. there is nothing comfortable in his gait. he should be loose and relaxed, not tight and stiff. especially with this type that should not be tight naturally.
Probably because he is only there for the week, and Ryan tends to do work that makes them feel better through their body. If you never work your horse (lightly, of course!) through discomfort, that's just another reason for them to do something dangerous.
JMWhorsemanship, sounds like an excuse for just carrying on regardless. If you never work them through physical discomfort it will be a reason for dangerous behaviour? Does any of that make sense? If you work a horse which is in pain you show it that you do not see or care about its pain and it’s less likely to co-operate as it’s sore. Try running with sore feet or a sore hip, how enthusiastic are you about it? He’s working the horse because it suits him and fits with the time schedule, the horse being sore doesn’t seem to matter. Don’t dress it up as being beneficial in some way for the horse. I watch this channel because a lot of his stuff is really good, what he is doing with this horse would be really good if it didn’t look like the horse was sore. Put up a video of you working a sore horse on the internet and you will attract negative comment, especially when you admit you can see its sore.
It's good to know all these things, but I would be better owning a... say, 9 y.o. gelding who's 'bombproof.' Ryan, please forward this New York Racing Assoc Feature about Sgt. Reckless to your Veteran client. Reckless was a 2 yo filly purchased by the USMC in S. Korea during the war. ua-cam.com/video/sdUIjRSVwtY/v-deo.html. Old footage (1950s) shows her, mane flowing, standing in a sentry tower, smoke streaming everywhere on the hillsides in the distance. Chilling, actually. An officer paid $200 for her at a sale, just as she was to start her racing career... she was a Thoroughbred. She was trained, and then carried, many times her weight in ordnance back and forth along a supply line by herself... injured a few times... retired to Camp Pendleton north of San Diego, with honors, in a big ceremony. The unit was her herd. She drank beer with them. Slept in the tent with them. She probably saved those mens' sanity. She certainly saved their butts once, when they were completely surrounded.... well, I hope he watches the feature. It's not very long.
I really like your videos but in this case i think you are too fast with this horse. When he got his hooves trimmed he seemed to be very sensitive. While he was trotting his steps were very short and i think not only resistance for dominance reasons but also because of his hooves might be a problem. I think it would've been better to not saddle him on that same day and wait until he got a better feeling with his hooves and muscular skeletal system.
What could possbly go wrong? EVERYTHING. !! Young Horses aren't for people who haven't" ridden much." Or at all ? Why would he risk getting on a 4 yo after just 2 rides? Get a brain!
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What beginner riders don't seem to understand is that a horse is dangerous. They can, and do, kill people. We had a professional trainer killed recently, blunt force trauma to the chest. No one saw it happened but he was either kicked or run over while trying to load a horse into a trailer. The owner here needs to take riding lessons on an old lesson horse. This guy Ryan and most pros make it look easy. It's not. It's a very high risk profession. And as the owner found out the hard way, you can get life altering injuries. Get yourself an old schoolmaster horse and take lessons. Stay far away from the barely broke youngsters.
AMEN!!! And it makes me crazy when I see parents buy a horse for their kids because they think it would be a fun experience and then don't take the necessary precautions. Horses can be so unpredictable and get spooked easily unless you have a 30 year old half dead one. This guy needs to do exactly as you suggested. It can take years for a to trust a new owner. Especially if you've haven't been a long time horse owner. 🐴🐴🐴
Beginner riders don’t understand because there are so many “sellers” out there happy and willing to take their money while lying about the level of training and then “trainers” willing to do as little as possible while stringing them along to make more money. Stop blaming the rider for others’ predation.
@@aliciameeks Who said anything about predators?
Well said. I wish Blaine well, but I think this particular horse is a "project" for an advanced rider. And especially since he is now already injured, and let's face it, no spring chicken.
@@RoseSharon7777The OP who implied beginning riders “don’t understand” and he’s right. those who prey on that lack of understanding are equally at fault. So yes, predation upon the vulnerable who are trying to embrace a therapeutic solution via connection to a sweet, loving albeit dangerous animal
Shame on whoever sold this lovely man (beginner rider) a green 4 year old. So glad he is getting professional help now! Thank you for your service, Sir! God bless you!
Apparently not too many people actually listened to the video where Ryan mentions that the horse was recently trimmed a bit too short, which is why he's moving the way he is. I honestly don't recommend green on green, yet at the same time I have seen amazing results when the work is put in. 45 years ago I, myself, bought a 2 year old after "reading some books". I made a ton of mistakes, but we also won some ribbons. I stuck with it, and made horses my career (25 years as a farrier now). This man clearly bounced back undeterred and did groundwork with this horse. If they have a bond, I say let's encourage them to make this work. I'm sure if Ryan honestly thought the man was over horsed he would have said so.
Ryan, KEEP OUR VETERAN SAFE❤🎉
Dutton is pretty well fed. Plenty of energy.
I love Ryan’s assessments. He reads every little detail in the horse. He’s like working with an interpreter. Always so interesting!
Thank you
Im glad he didnt get more hurt! A fractured spine is no joke, but that could have been a lot worse. Glad he's getting the help he needs. A horse doesnt automatically know how to ride 😅
Great that he has realised he needs help with the horse, hopefully he is well on the way to recovery, after his injuries. We have a saying in the U.K. “Green & Green = Black & Blue”, meaning a green horse and a green rider = an injured rider. It’s a genuine misconception I think with people new to horses, that they can just be ridden, I’m so pleased that he’s getting help and can’t wait to see the progress (be lovely to see how this works out). ❤
Sign at my riding school. “For fast riders we have fast horses. For slow riders we have slow horses. For people who’ve never ridden before, we have horses who’ve never been ridden before. “
Straight away, he says the horse is green (just 4 years old) and he himself is green and has barely ridden at all. Add in that he's older and therefore naturally less flexible, and what went wrong is pretty obvious
Ryan needs lots of liability insurance if continues on with this vet. Those spine fusions usually dont go back riding.......
@@archangel807 Why would the liability be Ryan's?
Nice horse. Clearly, as you have pointed out so diplomatically, he needs an experienced person. Seems like this man should find his horse an experienced person and buy himself a more laid back, older horse. They will both have a lot more fun.
A good friend whom is a horseman told me this saying which is so spot on, “green on green leads to black and blue”.
Green horse + Experienced rider. Green Rider + Experienced Horse
Green + Green = Train Wreck
Green buys Green!
Unfortunately Blaine had to learn this the hard way. Much of the fault lies with the person who sold him this horse, he did both of them a disservice.
noticing how much Dutton was blinking right at the end while Ryan was talking
I have a close relative with spinal cord injury so know the community. A significant number of these life-changing injuries are sustained from horse related accidents, what surprised me most was that these patients are not green riders but experienced horse owners and professionals like trainers and jockeys, it appears the biggest risk factor is the amount of time spent around horses not inexperience. This veteran was lucky.
Respect those hind quarters...
Excellent video, thank you for showing respect to an American Hero!
Thank you Sir for your service in the military 🙏 you're a hero much respect. God bless you..
I like how the horse has white on his right front and left rear, so nice to see when he gaits on the diagonal.
You're a great horseman for sure. As a dog trainer and horse rider I appreciate common sense and a logical thoughtful approach that takes into account the physical horse - genetics and instincts!
I've seen too much spiritual nonsense when it comes to horse training. (Not that I think all spiritual stuff is nonsense; I'm a Christian after all, it's kind of in the job description 😂😂)
God made a logical world, and His animals follow logical rules of psychology, just like we do (for the most part). You always seem to be searching for those psychological reasons for behaviour which I appreciate!
Please keep up the good work!
Handsome Bay, ❤ 🐎❤️
Until a few years ago I had been involved with horses for over 40 years, and I have met some great horses that try their hardest to please, and are comfortable with whatever you ask of them right from the get go! However, I have also dealt with horses that were the opposite, and these needed that extra bit of work to make them into a useful companion. I agree with the comments here that what most beginner riders, working with green or uneducated horses, don’t realise that this can be an extremely dangerous situation for both horse and rider.
I have seen some horrible wrecks that injured both horse and rider, simply because their combined experience did not match the rider’s skill level, or the horse was not ready for what he was asked to do. Ryan is well aware of this, and in this case, his advice is solid; give the rider some lessons, and have this beautiful little horse get some experience under a trainer. I love watching Ryan work his magic on this channel, and as I am unable to ride, or even handle horses anymore due to age and a complaining body, his work brings back so many memories for me. Greetings to all horse lovers, from Australia 🇦🇺 !
I agree. I hope he keeps posting this great content.
Greetings from a horse lover in northern NSW 🇦🇺
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Greetings fellow Aussie!
Trying this today! My mustang has seemingly great groundwork but something was missing because 4 out 5 rides hes great, but then he would buck during an occasional ride, even at a walk. Hoping this helps! Thank you so much! He may have some tension I was missing.
Please thank this warrior on my behalf for his service! 🇺🇸 The fact he is sticking with his horse in spite of his wreak shows even more that he is made of the Right Stuff! A smart man to know when he needs advice. Glad he found someone like you to help with his adventure.
I have never heard of a gelding making sheath noise from tension. Always heard that it was air in the sheath. Where did you find that information on this?
Great insights. I like the explaination of sidepassing , the ribs being flexible and finding relaxation in the movement. Thank you Blane for your service.
I have always heard green and green isnt a good combo, glad things turned out alright! I have been around horses my entire life and have spent the last few years deeply educating myself on equine subjects such as care, nutrition, riding, and groundwork/behavior and so much more, I JUST bought myself my first horse, I am 22, she is a 12yo, registered QH bay mare, a little more go than woah, and an overall good girl. Always was a gelding girl til I met Travaler.. I am so excited for all I have to learn from her!! Ryan, you have taught me so much. Thank you for helping my dreams become a reality! I will continue to tune in and I will never stop learning!
and I have lots of help from my horse people friends! I bought her from one of them and board her just 20 mins from my house!
Ah, there it is. He got trimmed a little too short recently. Ok. Glad somebody already sorted that out.
Two tips. Every time you touch your horse, you're training them. Ground work is so important to developing a bond with your horse.
AMEN!!
Donated! Awesome guy! Caira will make Dutton a wonderful partner for Blane!
Oh man I get it! My back was broken in that same area. My mare spooked out of nowhere coming back from a trail ride as it was beginning to get dark.
Ryan you're amazing with these wonderful animals ❤️ you're inspiring and a great horse whisperer... you're well able to train them and you make it look so easy. It's great to see you working with them and achieving success in fixing the problem. Good job 👍. I've been riding for 11 years and working with horses for 8 years love these animals.. you're very talented .. I'd love to be like you.. you're a real horse master.. it's very rare to have a talent like yours. I wish I had it . but I'm going to keep working on it.. thanks for sharing this.
I am afraid of these giant animals. It seems justified. Lol
@@CynthiaLSimmons no need to be my sister was afraid to ride too until I asked my instructor to train her slowly over 6 months.. I took lessons as well..we worked at it a few days a week.. and now she's riding with a couple of years and enjoys it.. with the right horse and good teacher you don't need to be afraid of anything..you just need to do it it builds your confidence in so many areas of life.. just make a decision to start.
Love this horse. Reminds me of my first horse many years ago. Lovely
I'm excited for the next video! I'm curious what made you decide not to put the lariat around this horse's barrel since the thought was that he had issues with the back cinch?
That is a beautiful animal ❤️
Thanks for another great video!
I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel don’t change a thing you explain yourself and the horse great if I understand you could teach a rock how to float👍
Thank you for your service! Very helpful video
Thanks Ryan as always
@ryanrosehorsemanship this is a great video with insight to reactions to pressure and space. I always pick up on subtleties the mor I watch you work. So….cluck when you want the horse to?? Kiss when you want the horse to??🤷🏻♂️
Cluck for the trot, kiss for the lope/canter
Thank you!
He also mentioned that he hadn’t been ridden a lot probably not a lot of ground work when you take on a green horse, you have to expect to work at at least five days a week. He’s not an older experienced boy that you can throw out in the pasture for a month come back and you get the same horse It sounds like an owner problem.
Is there a part 2 when you ride this horse?
Please have a lot of liability insurance on your horse business. This guy let you know he had surgery for a broken back when you met him . Please dont let him get back on the horse unless his surgeon gives you a signed release letting him ride horses again.
Hopefully Ryan has a contract when he does business. Can't imagine anyone in his field leaving themselves open to a lawsuit.
Can you do a UA-cam video on your top 7 ways to boost your horses endurance and stamina?
Slowly and steadily, as in consistent work every 2 to 3 days so his muscles can recover and strengthen, like a body builders. Gradually increase the distance or length of time and intensity of the work you're asking him to do, with frequent walk and rest breaks to catch his breath. Be considerate and don't push him too hard. Some days may be off days and he won't feel well enough to do what you planned. So be flexible and read his body language and mood of the day. Weather can have a big impact too, especially in older horses. They may feel soreness in their joints when a storm is in the area.
When I taught writing are used to tell people don’t spend your money now on a horse. Spend your money on lessons please people be ready for what you’re getting into.
Has that horse been left alone for a year while the owner has back surgery and spine rehab? Can Ryan talk some sense into him to get an older horse and move this one on to a trainer/owner?
Yeh I confused why the recommendation was to put the horse in training. I think he needs to sell this horse (because it’s a great horse for the right person, one who rides well or reads horses well).. and Ryan should instead help find this wonderful veteran an older more experienced horse, aka help him try some horses out that are more suited for his skill level currently. This horse clearly isn't going to get the riding or daily groundwork needed to continue to be successful, just because the owner is green at no fault of his own. I feel people don’t get is it takes years to make a truly safe and great horse for a beginner in the future.. the guy should have a horse he can have fun with now.
IMO instead of using go fund me money to train this horse, the money should be used as boot to trade this horse for a good, broke older horse for the owner.
That would be money well spent. Maybe the trainer Ryan wants the horse to go to knows of a good one.
Can you do a UA-cam video on understanding natural horsemanship or liberty horsemanship?
I have a 4 year old OTTB whom is sensitive left brained and he hasn’t been lounged much at all or ever but when I put pressure on for him to go forward on a circle he braces doesn’t bend through his rib cage and bolts. His ground manners are worse than under saddle but I am sure these holes can come under saddle too so love these teaching videos for safety. This isn’t my first OTTB so I do have experience but horses are dangerous if you’re not careful.
Not to be rude or anything, but If ground manners are bad, why are you under saddle at all? I don’t do any riding until ground manners and liberty work are 100% working and my horse is communicating and responding to all cues and voice commandsand after spending a gazillion hours hanging around above them in both eyes (prevents sacredness or bolting behavior), horses sometimes bolt because they are afraid of the human or the pressure of the human. I just think so many people get hurt because they don’t spend time doing groundwork or don’t understand what groundwork should be... My mustang spent 8mo daily training from myself just on gentling and groundwork… and now we can do spins, trot circles under saddle in just a neck rope or halter and sometimes completely bridle-less.. we got bows, head down cues, liberty circles, power steering shoulder control cues, etc, etc.. all taught on the ground first . If you’re consistent and your horse knows what to expect… horses stop being scared. You can also incorporate random positive reinforcement… makes horses motivated and avoids them looking for bolting or ways to end to session….. just saying
@@alisonjem OTTB are very broke for the most part and a lot of them come with baggage, so yes true ground work needs to happen but OTTB are ridden for the most part and they don’t get much “ground work” which can set up for dangerous situation. He is excellent under saddle but horrible ground manners.
Needs a lameness exam in additon to a training foundation. He's stiff in the hind end. Just my opinion.
I thought the same. Thankfully someone mentioned it
First of all, I have been watching Ryan's videos and I think he is a really good horse trainer.
My experience is, one of the primary reasons horses buck is because of pain and I promise you this horse is in pain. I believe when a horse behaves the way this one is, we need to ask why. In this horses case, what I see is pain. I strongly suggest, if you palpated the hip joints and the sacrum you would find he is really sore. He is also possibly has ribs out. The good news is, in my experience, more often than not these problems can be corrected by a good equine chiropractor.
The fundamental reason this horse bucks is that he is sore in the hips. He is under tracking. A horse should put his hind foot in the track of the front foot. This horse can't move his leg forward because he is sore. When Ryan is asking to side pass and disengage his hindquarters he isn't really stepping underneath and disengaging. When Ryan is moving him around and asking his hindquarters to move his back end is really stiff and he is snaping his tail back and forth, a sure sign of pain.
Most of us are not trained to look for pain as the reason for unwanted behaviors. I believe there are thousands of horses that are euthanized or passed from one owner to another because of behaviors rooted in pain that hurt people. Often those horses wind up at auctions and ultimately to Mexico.
Again, I want to express my admiration for Ryan's skills and his good judgement in not getting on the horse.
Agreed, the movement of his hind end looks very limited and that should probably be sorted out first of all.
Dutton is built to be heavy on the forehand as he's got a short hip and heavier front end. His back legs are also more posted up. Conditioning will help him somewhat.
Agreed he looks choppy and short strided, but that could be due to too much hoof trimmed off.
His go to is definitely bucking when he doesn't like or want to do something. That's a hard thing to change.
I learned a long time ago never to get on a horse until he untracks behind (crossing his back legs over when asked to move haunches.
I noticed he’s also forging. Probably associated with the hip pain and not being able to engage his back(?) he throws his head up instead of engaging his back and hind end, then when he comes down he just jams his toes into the dirt. I wonder if the ferrier was trying to correct the forging thinking it was long toes and that’s why they say he was trimmed short?
I was just skimming the comments to see if anyone suggested he be looked at by a good equine chiropractor. When a horse bucks like that, it's the first thing I have done....and I learned that lesson the hard way. Luckily I baled before the mare killed me. What the chiro found is nothing I'll ever forget. Just had my current mare looked at by a chiro that finally knew what he was doing. I knew I saw something...and I sure found out I was right. When others said nothing was wrong, I know my mare enough to know something was wrong. My opinion, this horse really needs to be looked at by a chiro.
What is a "sheath noise"?
It's the sound of the air moving in and out of the horse's sheath surrounding the penis.
Why would you bot advise him to find a more suitable horse Ryan?
He looks v stiff in the hips/ back legs!
Looks like a stifle issue to me. I’ve been reading through the comments and allegedly the horse was trimmed too short. This doesn’t really look like that. Looks like more is going on.
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Can your tone of voice make a difference either for better or worse training reaction?
Yes, if you have a worried tone the horse doesn't respond as well. "Eeeeasssyyy" with a low tone gets a better response than "EASY EASY EASY!"
Are you still doing the free tshirt if someone signs up for your Patrion? I’d like to sign my 14 year old son up.
Im really struggling with my pony hes a Kaimanawa (New Zealands wild horses) he was musterd in 2018 as a yearling hes had basic training he can be saddle and used to be able to be ridden but we had an incident where he got a fright and bucked and i fell off and now everytime i try to mount him he turns into a bronc is there something im missing iv tried taking him back to basics but we are really struggling just need some advice if possible could i message you ?
Have Ryan or another trainer work with him for at least a month. Then take lessons from same trainer so you're both on the same page and you can get immediate help/feedback as issues arise.
Best wishes!
Interesting. I've been watching Tim Anderson's videos - he's very big on getting the horse's respect at all times during an interaction, and I've learned a lot from them that chimes with my hard won experience over the last 40 years or so. And he's a master horseman with a major talent for reading horse body language and social interaction. I like your videos, and your methods, but I think this horse does need a good dose of old fashioned respect before he'd be safe for a beginner rider. And maybe not even then. He's deceptively quiet to handle on the ground. I think under saddle he's going to try to bully the rider - and so isn't at all suitable for a novice rider.
I had a mare like that once - she put me in hospital a couple of times before I realised that she thought SHE was in control when under saddle and moreover that she had the right to violently object to any command that didn't suit her. And she enforced that right fairly savagely. On the ground or on the lunge she was compliant even sweet. Very hard to train - I sold her without a character after the second hospital stay. I couldn't deal with her - it would have taken a much better horseman than me to get her to obey under saddle. This was 25 years ago, but I still regret doing that. She almost certainly ended up in a kill pen. Maybe better that than me ending up in the morgue though.
Watch Steve Young videos....much better trainer that goes to the horses/owners home.
Something that might help… Positive reinforcement training goes a long way with horses that most class as “difficult.” You can train your horse that you do listen to them so things don’t ever escalate undersaddle if there is confusion, refusal, or misunderstanding. Like I do a lot with mustangs is what’s called A and B level behavior. Go back to an easy behavior they already know if they are getting stress from a hard behavior you asked for… then you go back to the hard behavior under saddle… gets the horse in a better frame of mind when you can occasionally reward them for trying.. either with scratches vocal good jobs, or random treats. Your equine partner should have something in it for them too… provide motivation and you don’t end up with horses who want to buck, throw you off, bolt, etc… I trained my mustang that I listen… if she is uncomfortable or it’s too much training for the day undersaddle..she just bends her neck at me, and swishes the tail a little… so I ask for some half passes and sidepasses and maybe her spin (behaviors she knows well and likes)… then I get off… my horse gets the break she needs…. I wanted to right this because my mare has probably a very similar personality to yours but I changed all that with behavior modification through positive reinforcement and minimal negative reinforcement liberty work… all horses no matter personality can be trained to be exceptional… sometimes people don’t understand that it’s not all all “Respect.” Any horse that is consistently worked hard.. no matter how well trained may be what people call buckets, bolsters.. because they look for a way out to end the riding session… We can do better for our horses than that. I hope this message finds you well if you do read it , it is not intended to be rude, it’s just that I find training is more about two way communication than “Respect.”… but yes the horse needs to know you are the leader… but that you also listen to them.. to me that’s the most important lesson I’ve ever learned with horses. I just want less horses ending up in the kill pen from linear horse training thinking out there.
Looks like a young Hancock. Not the horse for a beginner
He admitted that he is green, and the horse is green. Why do inexperienced people buy green horses he doesn’t need this horse. He needs one that will give him the pleasure. He’s seeking it’s not fair to either one of them.
Beginning riders and greenbroke horses or "spooky" horses are a recipe for disaster.
What I don't understand is that you never mention the (worried and worrying) tail action in the horse. 90% of the time when he's asked to do something he's swishing his tail in frustration - not a good sign, and certainly not a sign of relaxation.
I would never ever recommand this horse to a green rider, not even after it has gotten more experienced in being ridden.
This horse looks tight and sore. there is nothing comfortable in his gait. he should be loose and relaxed, not tight and stiff. especially with this type that should not be tight naturally.
I think Ryan said something about that at the beginning.
Ryan mentioned he may have had his hooves trimmed too short.
If Ryan recognises the horse is sore why is he continuing to work him?
Probably because he is only there for the week, and Ryan tends to do work that makes them feel better through their body. If you never work your horse (lightly, of course!) through discomfort, that's just another reason for them to do something dangerous.
JMWhorsemanship, sounds like an excuse for just carrying on regardless. If you never work them through physical discomfort it will be a reason for dangerous behaviour? Does any of that make sense? If you work a horse which is in pain you show it that you do not see or care about its pain and it’s less likely to co-operate as it’s sore. Try running with sore feet or a sore hip, how enthusiastic are you about it? He’s working the horse because it suits him and fits with the time schedule, the horse being sore doesn’t seem to matter. Don’t dress it up as being beneficial in some way for the horse. I watch this channel because a lot of his stuff is really good, what he is doing with this horse would be really good if it didn’t look like the horse was sore. Put up a video of you working a sore horse on the internet and you will attract negative comment, especially when you admit you can see its sore.
It's good to know all these things, but I would be better owning a... say, 9 y.o. gelding who's 'bombproof.'
Ryan, please forward this New York Racing Assoc Feature about Sgt. Reckless to your Veteran client. Reckless was a 2 yo filly purchased by the USMC in S. Korea during the war. ua-cam.com/video/sdUIjRSVwtY/v-deo.html.
Old footage (1950s) shows her, mane flowing, standing in a sentry tower, smoke streaming everywhere on the hillsides in the distance. Chilling, actually. An officer paid $200 for her at a sale, just as she was to start her racing career... she was a Thoroughbred. She was trained, and then carried, many times her weight in ordnance back and forth along a supply line by herself... injured a few times... retired to Camp Pendleton north of San Diego, with honors, in a big ceremony. The unit was her herd. She drank beer with them. Slept in the tent with them. She probably saved those mens' sanity. She certainly saved their butts once, when they were completely surrounded.... well, I hope he watches the feature. It's not very long.
Great story love it
I really like your videos but in this case i think you are too fast with this horse. When he got his hooves trimmed he seemed to be very sensitive. While he was trotting his steps were very short and i think not only resistance for dominance reasons but also because of his hooves might be a problem. I think it would've been better to not saddle him on that same day and wait until he got a better feeling with his hooves and muscular skeletal system.
He only has 5 days and his brain is still absorbing the lessons. Preferably Ryan keeps training this horse and finds a different one for Blaine.
Humans need to know ,,, uh this horse is ONLY 4 yrs old....
Will your wife be looking at him? Horse looks sore in front.
What could possbly go wrong? EVERYTHING. !!
Young Horses aren't for people who haven't" ridden much." Or at all ? Why would he risk getting on a 4 yo after just 2 rides? Get a brain!
He's a good mover
He's lame as hell.
Pretty will put you in the hospital 😅
The lunge rope dragging 🫣, but your videos are amazing and I learn so much from them
Looks like something else for the horse to accept to me!