Well shit I’ve been telling people for years now close mics are close mics no matter where you’re recording them. And I literally never researched it to the degree you did. It’s good to be validated 👍
I really do want to see this experiment expanded as you've stated. This was really fun and educative. Personally I liked the bigger room without baffles but I'm heavily biased to postmetal and making everything really airy, not too tight. Thanks!
I’ve been recording a lot of bands out of a studio near my house that has a medium sized live room. For the longest time I would sit the drums down one end, with the drummer himself facing the direction of the rest of the room. I got a manageable level of blade and I did plenty of totally fine mixes. I experimented one day and turned the drum kit around so that the drummer would be staring directly at the wall, with the length of the room at his back, and I was shocked, genuinely shocked at just how much the bleed in the close mics decreased. My thinking on this is because in my original Setup, the cymbals were bouncing directly off the wall at his back and straight back into the close microphones, whereas when his back faces the length of the room, that cymbal noise has to travel all the way down the end of the room and back before it ends the close mics. It was a genuine game changer for me.
If you record drums at the outside, there's no reverb present, sounds pretty dead actually. Here is a recording of a live session of friends band in a park, I added artificial reverb to the drums, because was very dead sounding. ua-cam.com/video/OF6olTo-Zd0/v-deo.htmlsi=tCcTJJO-9Hh5Am-m&t=41
I work as a sound and lighting engineer in a Salt Mine in Wieliczka. The reverbrance in some of the chambers is truly astounding. Would be very interesting to hear some studio-quality samples and recordings from a natural cave/chamber like the ones in the mine
@GeorgeLeverG1 I bet Sonnox could make it happen. If you want some extreme room examples, then I guess there is nothing better than a huge, 36m tall chamber, 125m under ground. Just bring Mike with you when you're at it!
That was insane. To see these guys still performing at that level.. ATFTS and IFYCH were more emotional than the album versions. Back then, everyone knew Kellin had some insane talent, but to still be absolutely destroying it like that all these years later is a testament to the man’s ability. The whole band is lit up in this performance. Honestly, I probably wouldn’t have been itching to see them live these days cause so many bands are just overstaying their welcome, but after this video, I will be going to a show if they come to my city, without a doubt.
The big room to small room difference is that the small one is a bit clappier in those mids and a bit more comb filtering on the cymbals making them a bit more unpleasant and harsh. They’re both nice sounding rooms though, so both extremely useable and sound pretty nice. Sick, now do a bedroom or typical home room
This is some high quality information! My favorite room sample is probably the GGD P4 room, it’s not as explosive as GGD’s middle farm samples(MM, invasion), but still maintain long ambiance if that makes sense
I have a little trick to emulate a bigger room if you record in a small one, as I noticed in your examples, the bigger room has more energy on the lows and low mids of the shells, so my trick is use a guitar cab or bass cap as a ''subkick room mic'' to capture that range on a tiny room, you can put the cab near to the drumkit or at the bottom of the room to capture that frequencies and add that track to taste at your drum mix.
great drummer, great mixing engineer in a great studio that's a recipe for success thanks for the free samples. and just out of curiosity ,what if you go the other way, bay trying drums in a zero reverb room adding reverb in post, I know it sound stupid but you know ....
Great video production as usual, and interesting content to boot! Am I blind though - I can't see anywhere on that blog post you linked to to actually download any samples :(
Very interesting, thank you for this!! So interesting to see the minor differences in bleed. Not what I would have expected! However, as I understand it, reducing reverberation with baffles means the direct sound hitting the microphone becomes more dominant. So I am sceptical of the assessment that baffles allow for "more focus" in the sense that it may be better accomplished by just moving the mics closer to the source and making the direct sound more dominant in that way? The closer the mic, the less the reverb dominates right? I think that would be interesting to test out next, baffles versus microphone proximity! There are, of course, so many factors to consider here of what makes those two room recordings different in character. Love the video, good sir! Thank you very much!
Excellent George! Thanks for the samples and thaks to sonnox as well. English is not my native lenguage but i think i could understand most of it. There were some bits that i couldnt understand, did click on Subtitles it couldnt understand as well i guess. The most important is the info in this video, its really good! Cheers mate!
Rooms mean nothing. You can get killer drum sounds in a bedroom, storage room, room full of amps and cases, basements, concrete rooms. Just a matter of getting placement and control of some reflections. Or no control at all. All depends what you want. People obsess over crap like this and it hinders their process and end product. Cool video. Ive been preaching this for years and every time other musicians think im an idiot or try to argue the fact. 🤷🏼♂️. Ears dont lie.
a "huge"drum sound and the room are intrinsically linked . as the length, colour and pattern of early reflections is what implies the size of the drums. you cannot have a huge drum sound that is primarily just close mikes as much as modern Metal producers like to try otherwise(it's also one of the big reasons why their transients just sounds like extremely irritating clicks flappin about in a vacuum)
Well shit I’ve been telling people for years now close mics are close mics no matter where you’re recording them. And I literally never researched it to the degree you did. It’s good to be validated 👍
Its so true hahahah. Room mics emulation and effects matter more.
I really do want to see this experiment expanded as you've stated. This was really fun and educative. Personally I liked the bigger room without baffles but I'm heavily biased to postmetal and making everything really airy, not too tight. Thanks!
I’ve been recording a lot of bands out of a studio near my house that has a medium sized live room. For the longest time I would sit the drums down one end, with the drummer himself facing the direction of the rest of the room. I got a manageable level of blade and I did plenty of totally fine mixes. I experimented one day and turned the drum kit around so that the drummer would be staring directly at the wall, with the length of the room at his back, and I was shocked, genuinely shocked at just how much the bleed in the close mics decreased. My thinking on this is because in my original Setup, the cymbals were bouncing directly off the wall at his back and straight back into the close microphones, whereas when his back faces the length of the room, that cymbal noise has to travel all the way down the end of the room and back before it ends the close mics. It was a genuine game changer for me.
That makes a lot of sense. Might have to try this on my next drum recording
That’s how Nolly sets up drum mics, he positions the drummer by the glass window and puts all the room mics behind the kit instead.
No glasses is wild.
Does cats in room change room sound?
depends if they are a long hair or not.
Depends if they’re fed
Asking the real questions here
Lovely video this! Very helpful! Love you 😘
you’re my favourite x
Now lets find out what happens when there is NO ROOM 😎💯🔥🥁
If you record drums at the outside, there's no reverb present, sounds pretty dead actually.
Here is a recording of a live session of friends band in a park, I added artificial reverb to the drums, because was very dead sounding.
ua-cam.com/video/OF6olTo-Zd0/v-deo.htmlsi=tCcTJJO-9Hh5Am-m&t=41
I work as a sound and lighting engineer in a Salt Mine in Wieliczka. The reverbrance in some of the chambers is truly astounding. Would be very interesting to hear some studio-quality samples and recordings from a natural cave/chamber like the ones in the mine
Sooo I should get a flight to Wieliczka?
@GeorgeLeverG1 I bet Sonnox could make it happen. If you want some extreme room examples, then I guess there is nothing better than a huge, 36m tall chamber, 125m under ground. Just bring Mike with you when you're at it!
Finlly you'e back on you tube!! Would love more content from you always found it so i sightful and informative! Sonnox pay the man!!
You should show how you processed the snare to make a sample out of it. Love how tonal it sounds at 08:40. The kick sounds great too.
that video actually blew my mind with a few things, that was awesome. Would definitely love another video like this
Very cool video!!!! Nice acting also... :) The sounds are amazing...! More stuff plz. Yeah, field and barn sounds wicked...
Would love to have a chat with you or hear your thoughts, George, about mono / stereo to ambisonic conversions via software.
love that headphone icon thanks for the great attention to the details
That was insane. To see these guys still performing at that level.. ATFTS and IFYCH were more emotional than the album versions. Back then, everyone knew Kellin had some insane talent, but to still be absolutely destroying it like that all these years later is a testament to the man’s ability. The whole band is lit up in this performance. Honestly, I probably wouldn’t have been itching to see them live these days cause so many bands are just overstaying their welcome, but after this video, I will be going to a show if they come to my city, without a doubt.
Very interesting video; good stuff.
Very helpful. Looking forward to learning about more drum recording environments. And of course, seeing MORE CATS!!!
Would be great to have the samples available as .WAV files rather than .tci for those of us that don't have the paid version of trigger 2
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Videos such as this one reminds me of why I love this job
The big room to small room difference is that the small one is a bit clappier in those mids and a bit more comb filtering on the cymbals making them a bit more unpleasant and harsh. They’re both nice sounding rooms though, so both extremely useable and sound pretty nice.
Sick, now do a bedroom or typical home room
George uploading is the best news I’ve had all day
Man -- drums, drum rooms, samples and cats -- this was truly the perfect video. A+ content.
Oh, and what was the cymbal setup if you remember -- they sounded great! I know they were meinl
Another great vid! The field idea is great as long as the british wind and rain doesn't ruin it
This is some high quality information! My favorite room sample is probably the GGD P4 room, it’s not as explosive as GGD’s middle farm samples(MM, invasion), but still maintain long ambiance if that makes sense
Very interesing idea I love it !
so happy to see a new upload from you George! Thanks as always for the helpful insight!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for your efforts. I love your videos. Would definitely like to see more of this!
On itttt!
I have a little trick to emulate a bigger room if you record in a small one, as I noticed in your examples, the bigger room has more energy on the lows and low mids of the shells, so my trick is use a guitar cab or bass cap as a ''subkick room mic'' to capture that range on a tiny room, you can put the cab near to the drumkit or at the bottom of the room to capture that frequencies and add that track to taste at your drum mix.
This is an interesting idea... noted.
Incredible video! Yes! we need more experiments like this!
This video has it all. Free drum samples, cats, that's all you need really. Was I supposed to say something about sonnox?
great drummer, great mixing engineer in a great studio that's a recipe for success thanks for the free samples. and just out of curiosity ,what if you go the other way, bay trying drums in a zero reverb room adding reverb in post, I know it sound stupid but you know ....
A barn....Middle ...farm?? SONNOX WE NEED IT! - Great video, love doing these kinds of recording experiments!
Always been a fan of the drums in your mixes George!
Please Sonnox, let George do the barn 😂
Video starts at 12:36 😂
Yesss Sonnox, please allow George to expand on this!
awsome experiment!!
Great video! Definitely would love to see more!!
I'm wondering what the close mics are, but I guess the point is any decent drum appropriate dynamic mic will do
yup more of this please 👌🏼
Love the video, hope to see more "myth busting" like this
You got it!
Awesome video George and many thanks for the samples - gonna load them into Josh's MDL library tonight 👌
Great video guys
We want more sonnox!
Great video production as usual, and interesting content to boot! Am I blind though - I can't see anywhere on that blog post you linked to to actually download any samples :(
is there a standard in feet for what defines big or small rooms
Very interesting, thank you for this!! So interesting to see the minor differences in bleed. Not what I would have expected! However, as I understand it, reducing reverberation with baffles means the direct sound hitting the microphone becomes more dominant. So I am sceptical of the assessment that baffles allow for "more focus" in the sense that it may be better accomplished by just moving the mics closer to the source and making the direct sound more dominant in that way? The closer the mic, the less the reverb dominates right? I think that would be interesting to test out next, baffles versus microphone proximity! There are, of course, so many factors to consider here of what makes those two room recordings different in character. Love the video, good sir! Thank you very much!
The baffles 'focus' what the room mics pick up, not the close mics. Maybe I wasn't clear in the video.
Awesome! Moar please!
We need you to do more videos. Sonox so do something!
S tier video do more plz!
More experiments! Different rooms would be awesome to see!!!
Yes yes yes yes yes yes thank you!
You're welcome welcome welcome welcome
He lives
Excellent George! Thanks for the samples and thaks to sonnox as well. English is not my native lenguage but i think i could understand most of it. There were some bits that i couldnt understand, did click on Subtitles it couldnt understand as well i guess. The most important is the info in this video, its really good! Cheers mate!
I'll take a look at this and get it sorted my friend! Thank you for mentioning.
@@GeorgeLeverG1 Thanks to you! Great work and video!
That room mic is so sick
There really needs to be an audio version of Taskmaster, but I think that's technically NailTheMix 😂
I met the sonnox guys at AES and they were suuuuper nice. Would love to see you guys do more drum experiments, especially in a barn 😂
I begged them on IG for a sidechain for drumgate. In the meantime, BSA Silencer is my new fave drum gate
Drum library 🙏
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Thank you for free samples again legend 🖤
Hello, @sebastianviuf - just read free samples again, im quite new following George. is it possible to get the link? thanks!
@@conradmalave1894 look in the description :)
I want you to put a drum kit in a pool ! Come on sonnox !
I thought George and Mike got together to make a virtual drum kit haha
What brand and type is that Ambisonic microphone ?
It's by Rode! and its the only one they make. NTSF1
@@GeorgeLeverG1
Thanks !!!
Sounds really good !!!
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Barn! Giant barn!
The king is back… finally 😂😩🙌🏼
man you're my favorite!
ahhh the betterest best part
To me, the bigger the room, the nicer the cymbal balance with the kit. In a small room they tend to be all over the place
Rooms mean nothing. You can get killer drum sounds in a bedroom, storage room, room full of amps and cases, basements, concrete rooms. Just a matter of getting placement and control of some reflections. Or no control at all. All depends what you want. People obsess over crap like this and it hinders their process and end product.
Cool video. Ive been preaching this for years and every time other musicians think im an idiot or try to argue the fact. 🤷🏼♂️. Ears dont lie.
a "huge"drum sound and the room are intrinsically linked . as the length, colour and pattern of early reflections is what implies the size of the drums. you cannot have a huge drum sound that is primarily just close mikes as much as modern Metal producers like to try otherwise(it's also one of the big reasons why their transients just sounds like extremely irritating clicks flappin about in a vacuum)
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Cats and more videos like this!🐱
It’s ok sweetie the big rooms are scary.
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I thought you would have learned after the neuro DSP video that maybe this skits aren't a good idea
*NeuralDSP - saved you an edit x
Sorry you didn't have fun here... we sure did, and will continue to :)
The phrase Neurotic was implied here, but I didn't want to namecall you 😊@@GeorgeLeverG1
I can't hear the difference (or lack thereof) if you're talking over 2 of the 3 sound examples
CATS!
Drum samples AND cats???? Day is MADE
Yes, do the nerd. Bust the myths.
Maybe a bit more cats next time 🤔
ayyyy 4 minutes ago
bonus points for cats. 🐈🐈⬛
oi @sonnox - you're rubbish. Just give me all your plugins and I'll prove it to you.
bit rude.
@@GeorgeLeverG1It's all projection baby.
Also
"Bully the ever living snot out of Sonnox in the comments below" ...I mean.