Thank you for watching! Yes the regs can be super confusing. Things can change from year to year and they are always different from state to state. I hope you have a tag in your pocket for the fall. I have drawn two mule deer tags. One in Colorado and the other in Utah so I should be in for some excellent hunt this fall with my muzzleloader! Good luck!
@@AustinIsOutdoors I hunted 18 a few years ago before the big burn went through there. It was some nice country but it was gnarly with downed timber. I think a lot of that is cleared out now. You should be in for a great hunt!
I agree its definitely more consistent to go off grain weight. The volume tubes are convenient and probably fine for short and intermediate distances though.
I hope you got your bull. It’s 2023 and I am going back to my home state of Wyoming to try and outsmart an antelope with either my .62 caliber Rifled flintlock or my .54 caliber early Virginia pattern flintlock. I am a gunsmith and started building flintlocks several years ago and love the challenge. Great information on your video. I have several Sharps and Rolling block rifles and I shoot the MVA tang sights with the MVA globe front sights with spirit level. We can send 530 grain 30:1 cast lead bullets out to 1000 yards (as long as the wind cooperates) all day long and make some impressive hits. Thank you for your video and BTW… your “helper” was cracking me up… I have a few grandsons just like him.
Thank you for watching! I did connect on a 5x6. I peaked over a cliff edge and he was feeding directly below me. My shot was at an extreme angle but the shot sunk high behind the left shoulder and exited low behind the right shoulder. He turned around 1 time and fell almost exactly where he was originally standing. Those are some amazing shots you are making! My little man is starting to get the itch to hunt. I took him with me to elk camp last year. We went 4 for 4 in Wyoming. This year I drew a first season rifle tag in Colorado and a late rifle season elk tag in Arizona. I should have some good hunting in front me this fall!
@@murrayfarmranch8447 good luck brother and be safe in the woods. I am happy you got a bull. Our muzzleloaders will put the smack on them. I’ve been blessed to take 38 elk in my life… only 15 were bulls… I shot the first legal moose, elk, deer, antelope or bear I saw, my kids never knew what beef tasted like until they went off to college… lol
@raytribble8075 thank you! I’m excited, my Arizona hunt will be a solo DIY hunt in December. That one will be a challenge but I am here for it. Man you have made them hit the dirt! it’s the same around our place. I started elk hunting my last year of PA school in 2007. I’ve connected on 7 bulls, a moose, antelope, mule deer, and more whitetail than you can shake a stick at. We raise beef on our farm but our boys eat their weights in game every year.
@@murrayfarmranch8447 the original “organic” meat. You have done well for yourself to sir. I shot my first Blacktail when I was ten with a 30-06 (that about flipped me on my butt) and I have been hunting ever since. I gave my youngest grandson that sporter P17 enfield my dad bought me way back then to my 12 year old grandson for his birthday. It should do well for him. God bless you and your family Pard.
I like the setup that you have and want to switch to loose powder in my inline I am using 150 Jim shokies gold peletizded powder and 243 Santos with 209 primers and have had a few hangfires also i had to improvise a pick for the breach plug with a small safety pin and need to get a regular pick where can I find them also where do I get the loose powder that you are talking about my inline is a traditions dear hunter in 50cal. Can you help me? Also i live in Rhode Island.
I think you will be very pleased with the Blackhorn 209 powder. It is readily available in my area in just about any sporting goods store like cabelas, bass pro, and even Wal-Mart has it in our area. I’m sure things are a little different in Rhode Island. muzzle-loaders.com is an excellent online source. muzzle-loaders.com/products/muzzleloader-brass-nipple-pick-mz1582
Could you please clear up the legality of using 209 shot shell primers !?!?! At about 2:40 into the video you say that they are illegal ….& then at about 5:40 in you say to use them !?!
Sorry for the confusion. I say “shot shell primers are legal” however it kind of sounds like I say illegal in the video. Colorado DOES allow 209 shotshell primers and I highly recommend those over percussion caps. I also recommend using an actual shotgun 209 over the “muzzleloader 209s.” There is a noticeable difference in the quality of them. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for watching. The power belt was easy to find. It was buried right below the surface on the opposite side of the elk. It had good expansion. That elk took less than 5 to 10 steps before piling up. I’ve killed numerous whitetails with power belts also. I’ve heard a lot of bad reviews on powerbelts but I’ve had no issues. I use them because they are easy to find in stores and my group of buddies all use them as well so our system is interchangeable with each other. I do not have any experience with the hornady bullets but I shoot SST in two of my big game rifles. I think anything hornady puts out is quality.
If you backpack hunt in during muzzleloader hunting. What precautions do you use to keep your muzzleloader dry while it’s loaded. Wondering what you do in the case of rain or snow. Or… if you’re sleeping in your tent at night do you put a gun sock over it?
I use a product made by Solo Hunter. It’s made of a durable material that is not easily penetrated by moisture. I prefer it over a barrel condom or tape because it keeps moisture out of the action as well. Several ago in Colorado I was in some freezing rain. I had my barrel protected by electrical tape but moisture seeped in around the bolt of my rifle and froze. My action was completely locked up until mid morning when it thawed out. I do sleep with my muzzy laying beside my sleeping pad. solohntr.com/products/mtn-lite-rifle-cover
@@murrayfarmranch8447 great info thank you. Been building a few points for a muzzle tag in CO and am thinking of applying next year. It’s so far away but I’m getting exited for it already.
That’s great! Building those points pays off. Last year I drew a Wyoming tag. It was hands down the most elk I’ve ever seen on a hunt. I drew two tags this year. I have a 1st season rifle tag in Colorado and a late season rifle hunt in Arizona. I hope for an amazing fall. It’s expensive to build the points in multiple states on multiple species but it really pays off with quality hunts.
If you have a scale and can pre-measure then just use the tubes for quick reloading I think that is the way to go. For shorter range stuff I’ve found the tubes to be close enough but if I’m trying to stack ‘em at 200 yards I like to take as much variable out as possible. Thanks for watching!
Getting prepared for a hunt here in idaho in in September for cow. I’ve used a traditional in the past and my particular rifle will only shoot well enough for about an 80 yard shot and so I’ve been looking into a inline. I heard you talk about 200 yrds and was curious what kinda group your able to maintain at 150 and 200 yards with your setup? Great video btw!
Thank you for watching! At 100 yards my 3 shot group is almost touching or at a maximum 1-2 inches, at 150 it’s probably 3-4 inches and at 200 I can put 3 shots inside of a pie plate which I think is plenty good on elk. I’ve never taken a shot that far on a live animal but would feel okay about it if I did.
That’s impressive. Unfortunately us over here in idaho arnt able to use 209’s so no blackhorn either. I just picked up a traditions buckstalker xt northwest model and will spend the next several months trying to get it dialed in a bit. Also gunna invest in the Williams sight as long as the accuracy i see warrants it. Thanks again and good luck this year!
@@murrayfarmranch8447 I'm just getting into muzzle loaders. I like your video. Are you by any chance from Murray KY. My wife is from Murray and I'm from Benton KY
Thank you! We live in Oklahoma. My father has traced back some defendants to Alabama. We are originally from Scotland. I would not be surprised if the Murray’s in Kentucky are related to those in Alabama.
I went 2/3 this year. Harvested a antelope in Montana, whitetail in Oklahoma and couldn’t seal the deal on elk in Colorado. I was all over them on a couple different occasions. I have 6 points going into the 2022 draw so I am hoping to be back after then in 2022 with the smoke pole. Thank you for watching.
I used my pack on that particular hunt. I recently purchased a set of Spartan Precision Equipment bipods and those will be my go to on most hunts I think.
Yes. I thought for that particular setup light was best. For a precision rifle I think I’d go with the Pro Hunt but for a weapon that I expect 200 yards or less out of I feel pretty good with those.
I have harvested a couple elk in Colorado with round balls from a .50 cal. muzzle loading rifle. I don't use nor do I like to use powerbelt bullets. I look at them as no longer primitive firearms. Folks using any bullet with plastic on it just want to hunt in black powder season because of the advantage they get by hunting in or near the rut. It is my belief that good animal husbandry would allow no one to hunt in the rut and CPW is no longer about that but all about the money. It is legal to use your muzzle loading rifle during the regular rifle season by simply buying an over the counter license. Give it a try. To do it you must be a hunter.
What about Thor bullets they are all copper no sabot? Plus everyone knows if you don't use a blunderbuss stuffed with a round stone you're not a real Hunter.
I'd imagine your not wearing modern boots like Crispis or using Kuiu and sitka clothing right? All buffalo robes and buckskin and riding a pony up to the mountains right? All about that cosplay!
That sight seems great till you get in dark timber low light , they make a fiber optic one now . The plain black one sucks.
Man THANK YOU for uploading this. CPW just has to word stuff in the most confusing way.
Thank you for watching! Yes the regs can be super confusing. Things can change from year to year and they are always different from state to state. I hope you have a tag in your pocket for the fall. I have drawn two mule deer tags. One in Colorado and the other in Utah so I should be in for some excellent hunt this fall with my muzzleloader! Good luck!
@@murrayfarmranch8447 Yes! I drew a muzzleloader elk tag for 18. Looking forward to it! Good luck to you as well.
@@AustinIsOutdoors I hunted 18 a few years ago before the big burn went through there. It was some nice country but it was gnarly with downed timber. I think a lot of that is cleared out now. You should be in for a great hunt!
Powerbelts are trash and those Blackhorn tubes are not consistent at all.
Try making your own powder. It is fun, easy, and burns cleaner than any artificial powder I have.
Have found it better to go by grain weight with BH 209 rather than volumetric. More consistent.
I agree its definitely more consistent to go off grain weight. The volume tubes are convenient and probably fine for short and intermediate distances though.
great video, ive been searhing for a video like this for awhile, thank you
Thank you for watching! I should have some more content coming soon. I drew elk tags in Arizona and Colorado!
I hope you got your bull. It’s 2023 and I am going back to my home state of Wyoming to try and outsmart an antelope with either my .62 caliber Rifled flintlock or my .54 caliber early Virginia pattern flintlock. I am a gunsmith and started building flintlocks several years ago and love the challenge. Great information on your video. I have several Sharps and Rolling block rifles and I shoot the MVA tang sights with the MVA globe front sights with spirit level. We can send 530 grain 30:1 cast lead bullets out to 1000 yards (as long as the wind cooperates) all day long and make some impressive hits.
Thank you for your video and BTW… your “helper” was cracking me up… I have a few grandsons just like him.
Thank you for watching! I did connect on a 5x6. I peaked over a cliff edge and he was feeding directly below me. My shot was at an extreme angle but the shot sunk high behind the left shoulder and exited low behind the right shoulder. He turned around 1 time and fell almost exactly where he was originally standing. Those are some amazing shots you are making! My little man is starting to get the itch to hunt. I took him with me to elk camp last year. We went 4 for 4 in Wyoming. This year I drew a first season rifle tag in Colorado and a late rifle season elk tag in Arizona. I should have some good hunting in front me this fall!
@@murrayfarmranch8447 good luck brother and be safe in the woods. I am happy you got a bull. Our muzzleloaders will put the smack on them. I’ve been blessed to take 38 elk in my life… only 15 were bulls… I shot the first legal moose, elk, deer, antelope or bear I saw, my kids never knew what beef tasted like until they went off to college… lol
@raytribble8075 thank you! I’m excited, my Arizona hunt will be a solo DIY hunt in December. That one will be a challenge but I am here for it. Man you have made them hit the dirt! it’s the same around our place. I started elk hunting my last year of PA school in 2007. I’ve connected on 7 bulls, a moose, antelope, mule deer, and more whitetail than you can shake a stick at. We raise beef on our farm but our boys eat their weights in game every year.
@@murrayfarmranch8447 the original “organic” meat. You have done well for yourself to sir. I shot my first Blacktail when I was ten with a 30-06 (that about flipped me on my butt) and I have been hunting ever since. I gave my youngest grandson that sporter P17 enfield my dad bought me way back then to my 12 year old grandson for his birthday. It should do well for him. God bless you and your family Pard.
@raytribble8075 thank you sir!
Try the federal bor-lok copper muzzleloader bullet
I’ll do that. I really like the idea of using copper. I’m using copper rounds in a couple of my hunting rifles.
I like the setup that you have and want to switch to loose powder in my inline I am using 150 Jim shokies gold peletizded powder and 243 Santos with 209 primers and have had a few hangfires also i had to improvise a pick for the breach plug with a small safety pin and need to get a regular pick where can I find them also where do I get the loose powder that you are talking about my inline is a traditions dear hunter in 50cal. Can you help me? Also i live in Rhode Island.
I think you will be very pleased with the Blackhorn 209 powder. It is readily available in my area in just about any sporting goods store like cabelas, bass pro, and even Wal-Mart has it in our area. I’m sure things are a little different in Rhode Island. muzzle-loaders.com is an excellent online source. muzzle-loaders.com/products/muzzleloader-brass-nipple-pick-mz1582
Could you please clear up the legality of using 209 shot shell primers !?!?!
At about 2:40 into the video you say that they are illegal ….& then at about 5:40 in you say to use them !?!
Sorry for the confusion. I say “shot shell primers are legal” however it kind of sounds like I say illegal in the video. Colorado DOES allow 209 shotshell primers and I highly recommend those over percussion caps. I also recommend using an actual shotgun 209 over the “muzzleloader 209s.” There is a noticeable difference in the quality of them. Thanks for watching!
Thanks, appreciate your perspective. How was the performance of the power belt on the elk? Thoughts on hornady bore drivers?
Thank you for watching. The power belt was easy to find. It was buried right below the surface on the opposite side of the elk. It had good expansion. That elk took less than 5 to 10 steps before piling up. I’ve killed numerous whitetails with power belts also. I’ve heard a lot of bad reviews on powerbelts but I’ve had no issues. I use them because they are easy to find in stores and my group of buddies all use them as well so our system is interchangeable with each other. I do not have any experience with the hornady bullets but I shoot SST in two of my big game rifles. I think anything hornady puts out is quality.
If you backpack hunt in during muzzleloader hunting. What precautions do you use to keep your muzzleloader dry while it’s loaded. Wondering what you do in the case of rain or snow. Or… if you’re sleeping in your tent at night do you put a gun sock over it?
I use a product made by Solo Hunter. It’s made of a durable material that is not easily penetrated by moisture. I prefer it over a barrel condom or tape because it keeps moisture out of the action as well. Several ago in Colorado I was in some freezing rain. I had my barrel protected by electrical tape but moisture seeped in around the bolt of my rifle and froze. My action was completely locked up until mid morning when it thawed out. I do sleep with my muzzy laying beside my sleeping pad.
solohntr.com/products/mtn-lite-rifle-cover
@@murrayfarmranch8447 great info thank you. Been building a few points for a muzzle tag in CO and am thinking of applying next year. It’s so far away but I’m getting exited for it already.
That’s great! Building those points pays off. Last year I drew a Wyoming tag. It was hands down the most elk I’ve ever seen on a hunt. I drew two tags this year. I have a 1st season rifle tag in Colorado and a late season rifle hunt in Arizona. I hope for an amazing fall. It’s expensive to build the points in multiple states on multiple species but it really pays off with quality hunts.
Hey Nate. Do you use a scale to measure your powder or just the marks on the plastic tubes? Thanks much
If you have a scale and can pre-measure then just use the tubes for quick reloading I think that is the way to go. For shorter range stuff I’ve found the tubes to be close enough but if I’m trying to stack ‘em at 200 yards I like to take as much variable out as possible. Thanks for watching!
The best part is when Sam is there :)
Typical Sam Bam stealing the show in 5 seconds!
Getting prepared for a hunt here in idaho in in September for cow. I’ve used a traditional in the past and my particular rifle will only shoot well enough for about an 80 yard shot and so I’ve been looking into a inline. I heard you talk about 200 yrds and was curious what kinda group your able to maintain at 150 and 200 yards with your setup? Great video btw!
Thank you for watching! At 100 yards my 3 shot group is almost touching or at a maximum 1-2 inches, at 150 it’s probably 3-4 inches and at 200 I can put 3 shots inside of a pie plate which I think is plenty good on elk. I’ve never taken a shot that far on a live animal but would feel okay about it if I did.
That’s impressive. Unfortunately us over here in idaho arnt able to use 209’s so no blackhorn either. I just picked up a traditions buckstalker xt northwest model and will spend the next several months trying to get it dialed in a bit. Also gunna invest in the Williams sight as long as the accuracy i see warrants it. Thanks again and good luck this year!
You have a beautiful place mister murrey
Thank you we have been truly blessed. It’s a constant work in progress. Thank you for watching.
Very great video! I'm looking to put in for my first big game hunt this year and came across your video. Thank you!
Thank you for watching! Good luck. I drew a late season Arizona tag. It’s going to be a tough year in some states like Wyoming due to the winter kill.
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@@murrayfarmranch8447 I'm just getting into muzzle loaders. I like your video. Are you by any chance from Murray KY. My wife is from Murray and I'm from Benton KY
Thank you! We live in Oklahoma. My father has traced back some defendants to Alabama. We are originally from Scotland. I would not be surprised if the Murray’s in Kentucky are related to those in Alabama.
we’re you successful this year!?!
I went 2/3 this year. Harvested a antelope in Montana, whitetail in Oklahoma and couldn’t seal the deal on elk in Colorado. I was all over them on a couple different occasions. I have 6 points going into the 2022 draw so I am hoping to be back after then in 2022 with the smoke pole. Thank you for watching.
Great info!!
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for watching! I should have more elk info on the way! We drew a Wyoming Type 1 tag this year! Whoop whoop!
Did you use a shooting stick ,bipod or just your pack for a rest on your hunt?
I used my pack on that particular hunt. I recently purchased a set of Spartan Precision Equipment bipods and those will be my go to on most hunts I think.
Did you get the lite ones
Yes. I thought for that particular setup light was best. For a precision rifle I think I’d go with the Pro Hunt but for a weapon that I expect 200 yards or less out of I feel pretty good with those.
I have harvested a couple elk in Colorado with round balls from a .50 cal. muzzle loading rifle. I don't use nor do I like to use powerbelt bullets. I look at them as no longer primitive firearms. Folks using any bullet with plastic on it just want to hunt in black powder season because of the advantage they get by hunting in or near the rut. It is my belief that good animal husbandry would allow no one to hunt in the rut and CPW is no longer about that but all about the money. It is legal to use your muzzle loading rifle during the regular rifle season by simply buying an over the counter license. Give it a try. To do it you must be a hunter.
What about Thor bullets they are all copper no sabot? Plus everyone knows if you don't use a blunderbuss stuffed with a round stone you're not a real Hunter.
I'd imagine your not wearing modern boots like Crispis or using Kuiu and sitka clothing right? All buffalo robes and buckskin and riding a pony up to the mountains right? All about that cosplay!
To each their own, but if you where a real hunter you would make your own bow, arrows and tips from flint rock. All guns are cheating 😅
Whatever gives me the advantage of filling tags I spend my money on I’m good with it👍