If you were terrified that the future was going to be devoid of life because of an AI uprising, actually going there and finding that life did indeed continue would be the biggest relief ever 😊
I love how she grounded herself by repeating her name and serial number, I imagine that would be entirely necessary after crash landing in another time
Her acting is just SUPERB! The year 3188 Are U Freakin Kidding Me!? Another thing she is on a class-M planet she is breathing oxygen so it is safe to assume there is life, also temperature.
Heck, even William Shatner’s Captain Kirk wouldn’t be going hysterical. He knows how to act professional. He knows how to act like a commanding officer.
so...why she sent the suit back? because if she didnt it would've created a paradox. They only got the signal because the suit was sent back, if it hadnt been sent back, then there would have been no signal for them to follow, meaning everything they just went through wouldnt have happened, meaning this alternate future where organic life survives wouldnt exist, not to mention the possible ramifications to the time stream. so she has no choice but to send it back, to preserve the altered timeline by sending the signal then exploding it to get Discovery's attention to it in the first place. its rather ingenious usage of theoretical physics in plotlines honestly.
She only sent it back because she knew that she had sent it back already. But she only knew she sent it back because she did send it back. Its a paradox and not very clever...
@@dark_ops1651 It’s referred to as the Bootstrap Paradox, and it’s theorised by real scientists to not be dangerous to a given timeline as although there is no origin to the events (as those events prompt the events to happen) no damage is done to prevent that event from theoretically happening. So although it’s a completely real concept, it’s kind of a cheat code for any time travel based story to use the Bootstrap Paradox as a plot point as it’s risk free.
There's enough oxygen to breathe hence there must be life, at least something with photosynthesis. Oxygen in the atmosphere is one of the bio markers we hope to use to detect life on other planets, other biomarkers are methane and phosphene.
In time this show will get the credit it deserves. It brought ST back to our television screens in decades. It dared to address the transgender and gay issues other treks lightly touched on. Put an Afro Caribbean woman in the chair. Gave us future Trek. Brought more realistic aliens to the fore. Gave us a new Voyager ship. Launched Strange New Worlds. Gave us the first alien captain since Spock. It’s success led to Picard, Lower Decks and the others. Multiple spin offs are coming because of this one little show. Excellent writing, acting and special effects. We could continue…
@@jackolantiltin3938 but the only reason was to let spock know she made it. Whats the difference if he just thinks she dies and kept the suit for just incase shit gets sideways situation. Also everyone back in her time is still alive so wouldn't they know she made it even if she never sent the suit back for the final signal?
So why send the Iron Man suit back into the wormhole? She doesn't know what is going in the world, and could use the Iron Man suit to keep her safe. Its quite handy with flight, and computers.
The little dumb think called "temperal directive" basically destroy every time travel tech and prevent time travel. It exist durinv the 22nd-24th century but sometime star fleet still time travel
@@Shadowkey392 - So why didn't she use her suit to just go back in time to figure out what caused the burn, prevent it from happening, and create a better future?
@@TheBigExclusive at the time she had to focus on making sure the events she went through to save organic life from everything she fought concluded properly, send the suit back, to when they got the signal, which leads to them getting the signal which leads to them inacting the events we saw unfold. She had to make sure the loop completed. She wasn't aware of the burn and by the time the burn happened, time travel was illegal or the federation itself would of figured out what caused the burn instead of being slowly ripped apart.
They have to simply because they need to look futuristic. We have tablets, smartphones, drones and uavs. Discovery needs fancier versions much of the current version of this stuff just to be plausible as a Sci fi show. Our tablets look more sophisticated than the ones in DS9. Our computers way more advanced than what you typically saw in TOS. There is no way a franchise that spans decades can get around this problem
@@reydanielal-os9782Discovery's first 2 seasons were a prequel to TOS (now with Strange New Worlds as a more direct prequel set between them). Following the time jump at the end of Season 2 (leading to the moment in this video from the very start of Season 3) it became a sequel to every other Trek series.
Simply having enough oxygen to breathe in the atmosphere is a pretty sure indication of life on the planet. The only reason to destroy the suit is it's time travel capabilities which could be destroyed without destroying the suit. Indeed the logical action to take is to preserve the suit for transportation, sensors and as a computer database till other resources could be acquired and the need for the suit be reduced, even Burnham's mother did that and preserved her suit, including it's time travel capabilities. You keep your options open as long as possible and do not take irreversible action till you have as much information as possible. Once again, Discovery is about people being idiots.
@@robgyanisu312 That would imply that it was space time that was disrupted. Indeed, most of the fan theories involve something happening to space time or subspace but if this was the case, all dilithium in the affected volume should've been affected including the dilithium on Discovery. We know from the shows that some dilithium survived and the dilithium on Discovery is not affected when they arrived in the future so it can not be some change in space time or subspace. Given that the primary premise of the series is the spore drive, a biologic method of FTL, I wonder if there is a biologic reason for the burn. On Earth, bamboo are mostly clones of each other and hence if a single generation and generally matures, bloom, produce fruit and dies more or less simultaneously. Legends say all bamboo does this every seven years but the British Empire recorded it as being different for each species and moving through the regions as a wave. Could dilithium be alive and just with a life cycle where most of them die more or less simultaneously. There is precedent in Star Trek for living crystals. In TNG, they encountered microscopic sentient sand like inorganic life on a planet that was being Terra-formed, Crusher also created sentient nanites, and there was the Crystal Entity. On TOS, miners were inadvertently destroying the silicon eggs of a sentient silicon life form whose life cycle was to lay their eggs and then all except a guardian would die till the next generation hatched, a very similar life cycle to what I am suggesting for the burn. Of course thus would mean dilithium is alive and then there's the question of if it is sentient etc.
Having enough oxygen to breathe doesn't automatically mean there's life. It just means life as we know it is possible. The suits destruction was necessary to set the final signal. If she'd have let the wormhole close before sending the suit back through. She wouldn't have been able have the signal tell spock she made it.
@@augustjsb No, you've got it wrong, as a highly reactive element, oxygen combines readily with many other elements and hence a planet without life would not have atmospheric oxygen. Atmospheric oxygen can only exist as a byproduct of life. Oxygen isn't a requirement for life but it was toxic to early life such that as soon as photosynthesis evolved, the great oxygen extinction occurred as oxygen was released into the atmosphere. We look for oxygen in atmospheres to detect life because wouldn't remain in the atmosphere unless continued produced by life, likewise atmospheric methane is another possible indicator of life as unless continuosly produced, it wouldn't remain in the atmosphere.
entertaining show, but always bothers me how in te matter of seconds, just one girl knows best and resolves everything by herself in the universe. that's the United States propaganda at the highest, proclaiming they are the solution to life...,
A plan that required a time travel suit built in the future, a child monarch with an advanced understanding of thermodynamics, and a Klingon monk in possession of a time crystal. How on earth do you think Michael solved everything by- Oh right, sexism.
@MrHoppers002 Berman held Star Trek back just to be episodic in hopes of syndication and was mysogynistic. Obviously he played a major part of how Star Trek developed from TNG through Voyager but he did so without vision. All Discovery shows is that some writers and producers need to be restrained but Berman is the wrong form of restraint.
@MrHoppers002 Berman had no soul and only restrained unnecessarily. Discovery is unfortunately too unfettered and hence tends to insult long time fans but it actually has more soul than Berman, just perhaps too much where we would not want it.
@MrHoppers002 You might want to note that the critically acclaimed episodes were all made when Berman was not available. Those episodes were made in spite of Berman not because of Berman.
@MrHoppers002 None the less, the best episodes were made when Berman was preoccupied with another project not when he was interfering with the production. Perhaps his excessive restraint forced the best out of the writers, actors and producers when they finally had a chance at expressing themselves but you really can't argue being terrible as a strength.
You know you are a very selfish person and you don't think about others you're so selfish you don't have to watch the series you don't have to care about the series stop complaining your complaint is useless because that's your only opinion so stop acting like a troll and a selfish person as such
The joy of knowing she saved all life in the universe to then being alone settling in was portrayed perfectly
If you were terrified that the future was going to be devoid of life because of an AI uprising, actually going there and finding that life did indeed continue would be the biggest relief ever 😊
Guess you can say the ai were peaceful, but in chaos after the burn.
Right? I freaking bawled lol
Good news is she's in the year 3188 bad news is she's still writing 2188 on her checks!
lmao
I love how she grounded herself by repeating her name and serial number, I imagine that would be entirely necessary after crash landing in another time
The writing on this show is outstanding. Thank you.
writing for the charicters yes for the story EHH esp the over arching story of each season
its their 80's! the music and movies must be great lol
Her acting is just SUPERB!
The year 3188 Are U Freakin Kidding Me!? Another thing she is on a class-M planet she is breathing oxygen so it is safe to assume there is life, also temperature.
Love Burnham. She is up there with Worf and Kirk for me.
That thumbnail though😅 “I’m in the f**king future, buuut there’s life here!”
My god, she just shatnered herself in the future.
Heck, even William Shatner’s Captain Kirk wouldn’t be going hysterical. He knows how to act professional. He knows how to act like a commanding officer.
"I said spacetime AND location, you stupid toaster!"
Spacetime location as in location in spacetime. Not spacetime and location.
so...why she sent the suit back?
because if she didnt it would've created a paradox. They only got the signal because the suit was sent back, if it hadnt been sent back, then there would have been no signal for them to follow, meaning everything they just went through wouldnt have happened, meaning this alternate future where organic life survives wouldnt exist, not to mention the possible ramifications to the time stream. so she has no choice but to send it back, to preserve the altered timeline by sending the signal then exploding it to get Discovery's attention to it in the first place.
its rather ingenious usage of theoretical physics in plotlines honestly.
She only sent it back because she knew that she had sent it back already. But she only knew she sent it back because she did send it back. Its a paradox and not very clever...
@@dark_ops1651 not really a paradox in terms of time travel within star trek
if you cant understand that, its you who isnt very clever
@@ravenquinn7774 i guess star trek temporal mechanics just arent for me then :/
@@dark_ops1651 they are based on quantum string theory so....are rather complex for a tv show
@@dark_ops1651 It’s referred to as the Bootstrap Paradox, and it’s theorised by real scientists to not be dangerous to a given timeline as although there is no origin to the events (as those events prompt the events to happen) no damage is done to prevent that event from theoretically happening.
So although it’s a completely real concept, it’s kind of a cheat code for any time travel based story to use the Bootstrap Paradox as a plot point as it’s risk free.
I blame both the director and the actor.
How can there be multiple life signs detected? It's Canada.
There's enough oxygen to breathe hence there must be life, at least something with photosynthesis. Oxygen in the atmosphere is one of the bio markers we hope to use to detect life on other planets, other biomarkers are methane and phosphene.
Canada is a magical place, that's why.
Question is--what kind of life?
@@melodyoneill1732 igloo monsters?
She asked for lifesigns…not intelligent lifesigns. 😁
Omg she lost her suit!
In time this show will get the credit it deserves. It brought ST back to our television screens in decades. It dared to address the transgender and gay issues other treks lightly touched on. Put an Afro Caribbean woman in the chair. Gave us future Trek. Brought more realistic aliens to the fore. Gave us a new Voyager ship. Launched Strange New Worlds. Gave us the first alien captain since Spock. It’s success led to Picard, Lower Decks and the others. Multiple spin offs are coming because of this one little show. Excellent writing, acting and special effects. We could continue…
Are u joking this is one of the worst star Trek series
Please continue. I've had a love hate relationship with the entire show. Now sad to see it go. Isn't good writing supposed to make you feel?
WASSUP STARFLEET FEDERATION FAM LOL loved Discovery too I think the same all the time
Any bets on the fact that the _Red Angel_ suit's destruction is the cause of the "Burn"?
no im guessing it has something to do with the song.
It's as likely as any, given what we still don't know about the Burn.
I think ya would've lost that bet.
Walk.
Comethazine lmao
So she was raised by Vulcans....🥸 And has control over her feelings....?
To be fair, Vulcans aren’t always in full control of thieir emotions all the time
She stopped being a Vulcan because
Sooo why get rid of the suit? She has no idea what situation she's entered into?
because if she didnt, she would have gone back in time to prevetn thefederation from falling and the series would be over in 2 episodes XD
@@randomrazr anyway they build this one in merely two hours, so no clue why they couldnt build another. Except the early ending of this season. XD
@@jackolantiltin3938 but the only reason was to let spock know she made it. Whats the difference if he just thinks she dies and kept the suit for just incase shit gets sideways situation. Also everyone back in her time is still alive so wouldn't they know she made it even if she never sent the suit back for the final signal?
@@was100ify The Time Crystal she used burned out which means it was a one way trip.
Her suit had flight capability along with a fully functional computer. Purpose of a Delta shield in an emergency survival pack?
So why send the Iron Man suit back into the wormhole? She doesn't know what is going in the world, and could use the Iron Man suit to keep her safe. Its quite handy with flight, and computers.
The little dumb think called "temperal directive" basically destroy every time travel tech and prevent time travel.
It exist durinv the 22nd-24th century but sometime star fleet still time travel
Because she had to send the suit back to signal that the plan worked.
@@Shadowkey392 - So why didn't she use her suit to just go back in time to figure out what caused the burn, prevent it from happening, and create a better future?
@@TheBigExclusive She didn't know about the burn when she sent the suit back to set the final signal.
@@TheBigExclusive at the time she had to focus on making sure the events she went through to save organic life from everything she fought concluded properly, send the suit back, to when they got the signal, which leads to them getting the signal which leads to them inacting the events we saw unfold.
She had to make sure the loop completed. She wasn't aware of the burn and by the time the burn happened, time travel was illegal or the federation itself would of figured out what caused the burn instead of being slowly ripped apart.
Its weird how they make these prequel shows more futuristic than the shows they have already presented.its kinda neat & srupid at the same time.
They have to simply because they need to look futuristic. We have tablets, smartphones, drones and uavs. Discovery needs fancier versions much of the current version of this stuff just to be plausible as a Sci fi show. Our tablets look more sophisticated than the ones in DS9. Our computers way more advanced than what you typically saw in TOS.
There is no way a franchise that spans decades can get around this problem
This is a prequel? Which prequel to?
@@reydanielal-os9782 don't you see young Spock? This happens before Star Trek.
@@reydanielal-os9782Discovery's first 2 seasons were a prequel to TOS (now with Strange New Worlds as a more direct prequel set between them). Following the time jump at the end of Season 2 (leading to the moment in this video from the very start of Season 3) it became a sequel to every other Trek series.
Simply having enough oxygen to breathe in the atmosphere is a pretty sure indication of life on the planet. The only reason to destroy the suit is it's time travel capabilities which could be destroyed without destroying the suit. Indeed the logical action to take is to preserve the suit for transportation, sensors and as a computer database till other resources could be acquired and the need for the suit be reduced, even Burnham's mother did that and preserved her suit, including it's time travel capabilities. You keep your options open as long as possible and do not take irreversible action till you have as much information as possible. Once again, Discovery is about people being idiots.
Wanna bet the suit's destruction caused the _Burn_ ?
@@robgyanisu312 That would imply that it was space time that was disrupted. Indeed, most of the fan theories involve something happening to space time or subspace but if this was the case, all dilithium in the affected volume should've been affected including the dilithium on Discovery. We know from the shows that some dilithium survived and the dilithium on Discovery is not affected when they arrived in the future so it can not be some change in space time or subspace.
Given that the primary premise of the series is the spore drive, a biologic method of FTL, I wonder if there is a biologic reason for the burn.
On Earth, bamboo are mostly clones of each other and hence if a single generation and generally matures, bloom, produce fruit and dies more or less simultaneously. Legends say all bamboo does this every seven years but the British Empire recorded it as being different for each species and moving through the regions as a wave. Could dilithium be alive and just with a life cycle where most of them die more or less simultaneously.
There is precedent in Star Trek for living crystals. In TNG, they encountered microscopic sentient sand like inorganic life on a planet that was being Terra-formed, Crusher also created sentient nanites, and there was the Crystal Entity. On TOS, miners were inadvertently destroying the silicon eggs of a sentient silicon life form whose life cycle was to lay their eggs and then all except a guardian would die till the next generation hatched, a very similar life cycle to what I am suggesting for the burn.
Of course thus would mean dilithium is alive and then there's the question of if it is sentient etc.
She had to send the suit back to set the final signal.
Having enough oxygen to breathe doesn't automatically mean there's life. It just means life as we know it is possible.
The suits destruction was necessary to set the final signal. If she'd have let the wormhole close before sending the suit back through. She wouldn't have been able have the signal tell spock she made it.
@@augustjsb No, you've got it wrong, as a highly reactive element, oxygen combines readily with many other elements and hence a planet without life would not have atmospheric oxygen. Atmospheric oxygen can only exist as a byproduct of life. Oxygen isn't a requirement for life but it was toxic to early life such that as soon as photosynthesis evolved, the great oxygen extinction occurred as oxygen was released into the atmosphere. We look for oxygen in atmospheres to detect life because wouldn't remain in the atmosphere unless continued produced by life, likewise atmospheric methane is another possible indicator of life as unless continuosly produced, it wouldn't remain in the atmosphere.
entertaining show, but always bothers me how in te matter of seconds, just one girl knows best and resolves everything by herself in the universe. that's the United States propaganda at the highest, proclaiming they are the solution to life...,
A plan that required a time travel suit built in the future, a child monarch with an advanced understanding of thermodynamics, and a Klingon monk in possession of a time crystal. How on earth do you think Michael solved everything by-
Oh right, sexism.
It seems to me that Star Trek Discovery is all about the adventures of one woman and how fucked up the future really is!
Her ACTING is ghastly
I was expecting to be impressed however after watching this I can’t feel much of anything except a sense of emptiness.
Sigh... THIS is what they're selling as '$tar Trek' these days?! But then, we SEEM to be living in the mirror universe for some time now.
Rick Berman crapped better Star Trek than this.
I'm sorry to say you're right.
@MrHoppers002 Berman held Star Trek back just to be episodic in hopes of syndication and was mysogynistic. Obviously he played a major part of how Star Trek developed from TNG through Voyager but he did so without vision. All Discovery shows is that some writers and producers need to be restrained but Berman is the wrong form of restraint.
@MrHoppers002 Berman had no soul and only restrained unnecessarily. Discovery is unfortunately too unfettered and hence tends to insult long time fans but it actually has more soul than Berman, just perhaps too much where we would not want it.
@MrHoppers002 You might want to note that the critically acclaimed episodes were all made when Berman was not available. Those episodes were made in spite of Berman not because of Berman.
@MrHoppers002 None the less, the best episodes were made when Berman was preoccupied with another project not when he was interfering with the production. Perhaps his excessive restraint forced the best out of the writers, actors and producers when they finally had a chance at expressing themselves but you really can't argue being terrible as a strength.
I have followed Star Trek for some time, and sadly the acting, and writing is horrible in Discovery.
"...woke officer of the LGBTQAI* discovery." - burnham. Lol. HahahahHahH
Is that Star Trek or is that Star Trek for dummy´s or something else ?
@MrHoppers002 It is not Star Trek nore it Andromeda. Nothing of both.
God this show is such cringe
very bad acting & lame plot
well, we know know's really lame here, dont we.
This show is so bad.
This series sucks. Over acting, no depth, full of PC culture, cringe galore and the true essence of star trek in this show is gone.
You know you are a very selfish person and you don't think about others you're so selfish you don't have to watch the series you don't have to care about the series stop complaining your complaint is useless because that's your only opinion so stop acting like a troll and a selfish person as such
I'm pretty sure you have the option to not watch it
Modern "woke" Star Trek is so utterly cringe. 🙄