I'm surprised that you even found aircraft allocations and the stuff they carry down to which order aircraft carries what. I thank the community and yourself for all the info.
Smallest aircraft that could move any part of a Patriot Launcher or Radar in the 1980's without taking bits off the trailers was the C-5. The C-141 could move them with a bit of disassembly.
I never thought that this many sorties are required for that amount of Patriots. Now I understand a little more why the transportation command is close to its limits...
Awesome stuff, pretty similar to how I did it, but you can deploy an entire battery in 7 C17s. I deployed a Patriot Battalion with super limited resources. It takes a lot of math.
We only have 238 C-17s in the entire USAF and 52 C-5s. A good 1/4 to 1/3 of those wouldnt be flyable at a given time. So its more like 180 C-17s and 34 C-5s. Which sounds like just enough to lift 2 patriot batteries + supplies + security + support in one go from your video.
I saw a comment in a different discussion that the reason US Patriot launchers are on trailers as opposed to vehicle mounted like the Germans is for the purpose of being air mobile. Since they seem to carry the tow vehicle on the same plane as the launcher, I assume that means that the truck mounted version is just too tall to fit as opposed to too heavy?
It's a tight squeeze getting the whole assembly into a C-17, but when using the C-141 they had to disconnect the trailers from the HEMTT tractors, remove the outriggers, and the power source for the launcher stations, and the launchers couldn't be loaded. Back when the Patriot was introduced probably only the C-5 could handle a self-propelled Patriot and that'd be disqualifying for a country like the US
Any plans for a small slice looking into sealifting the patriot, or is that not touched upon in as much detail in the FM? Love the graphical representation and breakdown of fitting the MEP in the C-5/C-17's.
I’m sure they could, especially intratheater. Their utility is just limited for a deployment from CONUS and they can’t fit the main parts of the Patriot system so doctrine doesn’t mention them
very interesting, truly sick that you even have allocations To somebvody that might know: Why do they carry such few reloads? They ship multiple planes full of high cost specialized equipment and then only have 4 launchers worth of rockets? Seems to me like any enemy right now could oversaturate this with absolute ease - why so few?
Most missiles are held in theatre. On arrival more will be flown/driven/railed in. Besides, having more than one or two reloads is overkill since engagements can last all of a few minutes, not enough time to reload and fire again.
Incredible Culture Beautiful Complexity Amazing details Good work going so deep I can’t Think of any other channel going this far with such nice visuals Patriot Companies sound pretty comically expensive taking 7 17s and 5 5s They seriously can’t just pack the C5s Denser? Egh, atleast the performance is pretty Good
I know in past TO&Es the fire control platoon HQ had two MANPADS teams for point air defense. But for ground security other than the minimum the unit personnel provide infantry can be attached to ADA Task Forces
A shared pool of activation markers that represents strategic airlift capacity. That way if you are moving a Patriot battery, you have to sacrifice moving something else.
Check out my full video on the Patriot missile system and its tactics here: ua-cam.com/video/n1ixqmKv9b8/v-deo.html
I'm surprised that you even found aircraft allocations and the stuff they carry down to which order aircraft carries what. I thank the community and yourself for all the info.
"A Small Repair Parts Transporter, which is a Large Semi-truck."
Ngl the most iconic way to differentiate between a small Repair Parts Transporter and a Small Repair Parts Transporter.
Yeah, 😊, that got me too.
Small in term of military only.
There is a large repair parts transporter too, which is a smaller truck loaded with larger parts.
When I was a Patriot Missile crew member I was a part of my unit’s MEP. This video touched my heart. Thank you for creating this video 🫡
Smallest aircraft that could move any part of a Patriot Launcher or Radar in the 1980's without taking bits off the trailers was the C-5. The C-141 could move them with a bit of disassembly.
Once again, American strategic airlift capabilities are simply mindboggling to think about
Would love to see more Air Force logistics videos
I never thought that this many sorties are required for that amount of Patriots.
Now I understand a little more why the transportation command is close to its limits...
Great video. Totally unrelated, interesting seeing the C-5 sorties in and out of Bahrain the last few days.
Awesome stuff, pretty similar to how I did it, but you can deploy an entire battery in 7 C17s. I deployed a Patriot Battalion with super limited resources. It takes a lot of math.
Espeically when its rapidly
I really enjoy logistics break down videos
I didn't even know this "additional" channel existed.
Expeditionary army is a funny way to say imperialist war starting empire
Logistics.
Winning wars since Homo Sapiens had more spears than Neanderthal.
We only have 238 C-17s in the entire USAF and 52 C-5s. A good 1/4 to 1/3 of those wouldnt be flyable at a given time. So its more like 180 C-17s and 34 C-5s. Which sounds like just enough to lift 2 patriot batteries + supplies + security + support in one go from your video.
That's why the USA spends so much to operate forward posts next to its competitors doorsteps. Way easier and effective.
I saw a comment in a different discussion that the reason US Patriot launchers are on trailers as opposed to vehicle mounted like the Germans is for the purpose of being air mobile. Since they seem to carry the tow vehicle on the same plane as the launcher, I assume that means that the truck mounted version is just too tall to fit as opposed to too heavy?
It's a tight squeeze getting the whole assembly into a C-17, but when using the C-141 they had to disconnect the trailers from the HEMTT tractors, remove the outriggers, and the power source for the launcher stations, and the launchers couldn't be loaded. Back when the Patriot was introduced probably only the C-5 could handle a self-propelled Patriot and that'd be disqualifying for a country like the US
Wow! Thats crazy considering a C17 can fit 6 M117. Ididnt realize how innvolved the patriot is.
Tbf M1117 is just a little guy
A plane.
This is the academia side of military deployment.
2:27 And that’s minimum package!!! Jesus
Yup. Welcome to the military
Any plans for a small slice looking into sealifting the patriot, or is that not touched upon in as much detail in the FM?
Love the graphical representation and breakdown of fitting the MEP in the C-5/C-17's.
Sealift is pretty much palletize spare equipment in 20ft shipping containers, load trucks onto boat, send boat.
Awesome 😎👍
Does doctrine state whether or not C-130's can be integrated into the airlift package for smaller components like the Humvees, pallets, or personnel?
I’m sure they could, especially intratheater. Their utility is just limited for a deployment from CONUS and they can’t fit the main parts of the Patriot system so doctrine doesn’t mention them
very interesting, truly sick that you even have allocations
To somebvody that might know: Why do they carry such few reloads? They ship multiple planes full of high cost specialized equipment and then only have 4 launchers worth of rockets? Seems to me like any enemy right now could oversaturate this with absolute ease - why so few?
Most missiles are held in theatre. On arrival more will be flown/driven/railed in. Besides, having more than one or two reloads is overkill since engagements can last all of a few minutes, not enough time to reload and fire again.
This is missing force protection for the package. I hope that they would also deploy an Avenger section or some other counter UAV capability.
I don’t know if it’s in the current TO&E but historically the Patriot’s fire control platoon HQ had two MANPADS teams
The US military logistics always amazes me
Given us the german army ❤️🇩🇰
Incredible Culture
Beautiful Complexity
Amazing details
Good work going so deep
I can’t Think of any other channel going this far with such nice visuals
Patriot Companies sound pretty comically expensive taking 7 17s and 5 5s
They seriously can’t just pack the C5s Denser?
Egh, atleast the performance is pretty Good
Is there an organic Security element, guys to actually protect the direct area, or is that something that is attached from another unit?
I know in past TO&Es the fire control platoon HQ had two MANPADS teams for point air defense. But for ground security other than the minimum the unit personnel provide infantry can be attached to ADA Task Forces
amazing
strange that the US only has trailer-towed Patriots. The German 🇩🇪 8x8 truck-mounted batteries are much more mobile
The German Patriot would not fit in a C-141, which was more important for the US
Now imagine how if in lieu of C-17, it was A400Ms
What is the minimum engagement package for deploying Patriot as an anti aircraft asset? Lol
Guy mentions his other channel and doesn't say it's name
How can information such as this translate into a strategy game??? 🤔
It usually just doesnt unless you want to model long-range highlevel logistics in your game down to the tiniest details
@@REDACTED_shenanigansyeah it’s probably like having Call to Arms be played in Wargame: Red Dragon size maps
A shared pool of activation markers that represents strategic airlift capacity. That way if you are moving a Patriot battery, you have to sacrifice moving something else.
watched a isklander missles take out 2 launchers and the radar in Ukraine so it is no better than the s-400 so it is kinda crap
make a video on korean and french SAM systems