The CAGED System For GUITAR (my thoughts)
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CAGED is the triads, double stops, and chord shapes up neck.. It all leads to each other. The full chords all broke down and connected. Joe Pass was a believer of it. Ricks approach is awesome of course but getting kids early on to understand and learn the neck - CAGED is a must imho.. It also helps in learning sweeps.. If only someone had shown me CAGED when I was in 3rd grade.. I see it as a fast track to getting into neck knowledge and chord/scale understanding. Just my 2 cents..
also pretty much also scales come out of the caged
@@sooparticular I guess you mean scale patterns. Anyway, I agree. I think learning scale patterns in relation to CAGED shapes is much more productive than learning the patterns as such. I know this because I initially made the mistake of not learning CAGED. However, I also think that Rick has a fair point. After all, CAGED can limit one's view of the fretboard in comparison to learning these 3-string patterns all over. CAGED sure is more easily-digestable to a beginner, which is an advantage.
YES RICK! I was so happy to hear you say to get the CAGED shapes and break them into groups of three strings because that is EXACTLY what I get my students to do when I start looking at chord shapes across the neck 😊 we start with the CAGED concept then do exactly what you do, and learn about the different inversions! It can be tricky at first but it's so satisfying to see them get it and add it to their playing!!
The "CAGED" system helped me A LOT, in the beginning. Learning guitar & all phrasings and inversions of EVERY chord is made easier for beginners who have learned the basic chord shapes& learn to regard the "pointer" finger AS THE NUT. Rick is a "ZAPPA LEVEL" musical interpreter, and he's showed me more *_digestible_* musical info that could be used than anyone else. Peace Out, Rick! Love You!!!
You are possibly the best music teacher on UA-cam. I've been trying to wrap my head around modes for years and thanks to you and your videos I'm just now starting to understand how to use them
Triads, arpeggios learning the notes, major scale is where I’m at. Thank you 🙏As always, you have a great perspective
Hey rick I just want to thank you for making these videos!!!
Rick, I'm a huge fan. I love your passion for music from the 20th century. Rock, blues, jazz, etc. You cover tons of bases that I wish I had more access to their resources. Again, thanks for your hard work.
its about knowing each mode in each given shape. I feel as if the CAGED system allowed me to see the relation of intervals between separate chords more clearly. Also I feel as if the CAGED system gives you the ability to highlight chord changes more fluently, rather than playing in a given mode. Just depends what your going for.
Much Love Rick, this videos are helping me thru seriously tough times.
This seriously helped open up the fretboard a little bit more for me
. Always enjoy your videos and the way you teach. THANK YOU RICK :)
I rarely write comments, BUT. This helped me so much, i always thought of learning the triads/caged system ect. too difficult or boring, so i put it off, but the way you explained it in this video i literally sat and did all of the shape/triad excercises on C major for an hour to a 1 chord backing track and instantly felt like i know them by heart. Then i tried it in D and it was even easier, because i knew how the intervals looked on the fretboard. If anyone practices this for all keys its worth the time for sure, so GO TRY IT NOW! I can't thank you enough for this Rick!
RICK FCKIN BEATO!!!! Dude you fully unlocked the neck for me after 21 years of not even trying to know the neck and the last two trying off and on to learn it through caged and my own system. You unlocked the full fret board for me in the first 7 minutes of this video. This is the best and easiest way I have ever seen to learn the neck and actually works. Thank you again Rick. Your channel has become one of the best resources I have ever found in my 23 years of playing the guitar.
I love Beato. As a beginner I am so overwhelmed by him. Due to my low skill level after about 15 minutes might as well call this video “Watch Rick Play Scales”! I need to hunker down and learn my guitar better. Rick it’s a home run showing the limitations of the CAGED system. Thanks Rick!!! Am going to budget myself into your club soon.
Enjoyed this video Rick. After years of just winging it, I have been starting to actually learn the instrument. You seem to enjoy playing it, and you are a very good teacher. Thanks. Love this stuff. Will pick up book soon.
This is brilliant I’m applying all this to bass. I’ve always practiced moving around the neck hitting open strings but these shapes allow such easy transitions as you move around.
Hi Rick, the way I learned the CAGED system is basically what you described later in your video. I think the main problem with the CAGED system is how it is generally taught. I learned to do the basic chords, then to break them down in triads (which are subsets of the CAGED chords), then add pentatonic scales & etc. The thing about playing above at and below the note for me was how I made sense of the G chord (below), the D chord (at) and the E chord (above), the Justin Sandercoe channel/webpage does a great job of explaining it really well. There's also a video of Guthrie Govan talking about how it works and he explains it in a similar vein to the stuff to said. Enjoyed the video tho, lots of great ideas for the woodshed!
just picked up the Beato Book bundle. Thanks for all you do Rick!
Man... bought the Beato Book last year. Finally started going through it this week. I have spent the last two days learning the Major Triad shapes. Stumbled on this video this morning... mind... BLOWN!!!!
Just bought the book. Can’t wait to get stuck in. Thanks Rick.
Got so much enjoyment and learned a few things i just purchased the Book and T Shirt, Keep up the Great Work! :)
Good god to think I used to have to watch TV instead of stuff like this. Thank you UA-cam! Long live King Beato!
Fretboard Logic book by Bill Edwards is where I first heard of the "CAGED" approach to guitar and the idea was simply to stop trying to force guitar students to learn their instrument the way most other instrument's students do, namely by using the piano as a guide when it simply doesn't apply logically to a guitar's tuning or fretboard. So he came up with a basic approach that anyone who already knows how to play the "cowboy" open chords, C, A, G, E, and D can easily grasp and immediately begin to apply to the rest of the fretboard. It was never intended to be the end all be all. For me, completely self taught by listening to records and copying solos etc, I found it filled in vital missing parts of the neck that were uncharted territory and opened those new scales and chord shapes to add to what I was already doing but made sense of it all as well. Too many instructors are like the Monty Python skit: "How to play the flute, well, you blow in one end and run your fingers up and down the little buttons!"
Greatest flute lesson ever!
I picked up that same book by Bill Edwards and I am currently starting that book to learn it as part of my learning my guitar neck.
Guitar books from the 80s and 90s are mostly full of learn scales, major, blues, pentatonic etc, noting how the patterns repeat. Learn Open chords and how they become bar chords is a separate deal altogether... when CAGED came in always baffled me because it just wasn’t in these old books, and I’ve never understood its purpose. I now see it’s a learning tool, possibly a step towards what the older books cover. Either way, it all takes time and effort to learn really well, a lifetime in Rick’s case I’m sure.
@@charlesmiller3916 2 years later, I bet you never stuck with it
Loved that book! (Not talking about the Monty skit)
Can't say thanks enough for sharing the knowledge! Your tutorials are second to none. Thanks again
Rick you're just incredible, my mind is blown all the time watching you. Your knowledge is just nuts.
I wish I was at the stage where your smooth transitions made sense enough for me to follow along.
Caged system gives me frame of reference. The three string option looks easy enough, reminds me of power chords, just ll over the neck on different sets of strings instead of just the 3 lowest strings. This helps me understand some odd looking song tabs and might make rhythm guitar more nuanced.
I think this is best learned once the caged system is understood, not as substitution
That is great news! Congratz Rick on the WMTSG videos! Some of your most entertaining and advertising attractive work!
thank you Rick !
nobody is teaching us everything about guitar and theory and music in general the way you are.
GOD BLESS YOU
Absolutely love these lessons! I'm curious if there might be a playlist hiding somewhere with all these lessons in an order that would synch up with the book's progression. Feel like that would make the learning experience that much more intuitive :)
dang, missed it live, your videos are incredibly helpful. thanks Rick
Loved the at/above/behind concept.... Learning the scales with that in mind will for sure improve my playing
Just found your channel. Thanks for doing what you do!! Stoked!! I’ll buy the book soon
Eye opener. Learning it like this makes you concentrate on the triad. The BEATO System. 135, 351, 513. Awesome. Thanks!!!
I am glad your on youtube ,there are no short cuts to playing the guitar.
I desperately want to learn guitar from Rick, because I love his content. But every time I watch one of these videos, I can't help but feel this is an advanced player explaining basic topics in ways that other advanced players are able to agree with. In other words, I don't know if the intended audience is ever walking away with that A-HA! moment, there's just affirmation from people who already know the concepts being discussed.
Not meant to be critical, just some hopefully constructive feedback that I know you'll probably never see because you've said a billion times before you never read UA-cam comments.
Ok, I'm off to shake my fist at the wind.
Rick does give you a lot to chew on, especially if the material is new to you. The information is coming at you pretty fast and as soon as one bit gets by it's hard to get back on the same page. As valuable as these videos are I think a book is still important. I haven't checked out Rick's book but I'm sure it's one of the many good books. I guess the hard part is knowing which book is good. I wish I could recommend one but I'm not familiar with what's currently available.
I do feel Rick is spot on that the CAGED system has some limits. It can be a great tool but sometimes people don't go as deep as they should and end up with a limited understanding. And when you go deeper you are moving beyond open chord shapes. They can still be thought of as part of the CAGED system if you want but the CAGED system is becoming less relevant.
I agree, this is stuff for senior players
I have watched a lot of his videos and its my own fault for not doing any research whatsoever but I still don't know what the fuck a third is or the circle of fifths? Lmao
I'm a beginner as well, and it seems hard to find "advanced beginner" music theory etc. That is, you can find stuff that teaches you the basics about intervals etc., and beginner stuff that tries to teach you a part of a song or a lick or strum pattern (to keep you interested and motivated) but then you try to learn more and end up on a video like that above - that assumes you already know a bunch of stuff that you don't yet know. There are some "music theory" online courses that seem to advertise they are fulsome, so I'm thinking of trying that (not for guitar specifically, but I think that might be okay). There's an older British dude with a video like "Music Theory in 30 minutes" or something (which is great) and he offers a full course for what seems to be a reasonable price.... again, not for guitar. Given this video above, though, I'm thinking that we may as well start off with a beginner CAGED course or book, because regardless of whether it is the best method or not, we have to start somewhere and all these advanced guys still seem to have tried caged themselves, lol.
@@systemsoversymptomsvisionw9806 When I learned guitar I learned moveable chord shapes and recognized the shapes as closed position versions of the open chords but I didn't learn it in terms of the CAGED system. I can definitely see the CAGED concepts and how they can make music theory much more accessible to a beginner. Just do us all a favor....don't put a capo on the fifth fret and play the "C" shape and tell people you are playing a C. You will be playing an F. Your bass player and keyboard player any guitar player without a capo will appreciate it.
I think that's my beef with a lot of the caged material. It's guitar centric. The biggest advantage of music theory is that you can tell other what you are doing. If your understanding is strictly limited to guitar you will have limited yourself.
Thanks for a thoughtful critique of this system. I only heard about it after I had already learned the neck and how it is connected, so I’ve never really connected with why CAGED is so polular. But I think it has created profound connections for people who are tied to open chords and use a capo to change keys.
I personally found it just confused things, as you demonstrated in your initial demo - I can’t get used to calling the D barre chord at the fifth fret “the A shape” cause its a D chord and so on. It’s like going backwards in how I understand the guitar.
Thanks!
CAGED is a shortcut to get people to think they've learned the neck when they really haven't.
Rick, just grabbed a copy of the Beato Book. So excited to get started!
I lways prefered triad inversions for guitar as most chords you play are constructed of a triad plus another note in the root usually so it helps you see the construction of the chord and its reltionshiop to other chords as you're playing it. Love your stuff Rick.
My challenge has always been how to translate these exercises to real musical situations without making it sound like an exercise. In a way, learning licks is more valuable (to me), but I find I “remember” the licks much better when exercises like these help me to visualize the music theory behind the lick- say an arpeggio for example.
what rick is showing is a structure to thoroughly understand the instrument. if you thoroughly understand the instrument learning little licks and things comes naturally.
I learn so much from you rick..thank you from the bottom of my heart!
I just bought "The BEATO BOOK", (WITH TODAY'S DISCOUNT!) WOW!!!! SO MUCH INFORMATION, IN THAT PDF!!! I NEED TO GO BUY A WHOLE REAM OF PAPER, AND BUY MORE PRINTER INK, TO PRINT IT ALL OUT!!! ~500 PAGES!!!! THANKS FOR SO MUCH SHARED KNOWLEDGE!!!!
I am new and do not even know how to buy that Beato book
@@joseceraia there is a link in the description of this video.
It really is a great book if you are or aspire to be a theory nerd
Thanks Rick! I found this to be quite interesting, explaining the groupings of three notes together was really helpful in understanding your overall approach.
I just wanted to comment. I know it might be hard to believe but I have watched every one of your videos from start to end. Half the time I have no idea what you're talking about. I started playing guitar at 50. I'm a couple of months younger than you. I always wanted to learn to play guitar but life got in the way. Thank you for what you do. You inspire me!
Rick. I really appreciate all of the effort that you put into your "What Makes This Song Great" videos. I woudl love to see you do Grand Funk Railroad's "Sin's A Good Man's Brother". So many young people only know of Grand Funk in their later years when they played mostly pop. This song is the quintessential garage funk punk song. Great bass, driving drums, that awesome "Messenger" compressed guitar sound and of course Mark Farner's piercing vocals.
You are the man Rick ... I'm back into playing music again.... great thanks to you
Great stuff Rick, trying to catch up on all of these and remember what little theory have been gathering dust in the corner for too many years... keep it coming!
I came interested in finding out Ricks opinion on the Caged system, stayed right till the end as usual, this guy is phenomenal!!! So accessible...
Rick! U just got shout out on that pedal show! So cool. Well deserved. Your smartest musician in my news feed lol.
Man, this has just opened my brain like I’ve needed for a while. Learning scale shapes, arpeggios, and the caged system just never connected everything for me. I quit playing for a while and am getting back into it. I’m so excited to use this info
Daniel Collins yeah exactly for me too- it’s like he’s helping us push into places we never knew how to approach, like what direction even to know where to explore? :)))
Thank you for all the lessons, I'm gonna get your book.
What a lesson, thanks man. Now only hard work lies ahead.
Cool video. Thanks for all the work you do. I enjoy your videos.
Sorry I missed your livestream...watching the replay now and will catch up on the other videos you've recently uploaded...that 'Fleetwood Mac' one is calling to me...you rock!!! 💗💗💗
I agree with Rick's point here---you need to be able to visualize it all over the neck
I had the fortunate chance to meet Pat Martino at the Jazz Standard after a show last year.
His advice to me was always know where your thirds are as you vizualize what you're playing over the neck. As a bass player who plays guitar as his secondary instrument this advice was invaluable.
I've done it for years on bass and its now making sense on guitar
Rick, I don't always agree with you, but I always listen to you. Thanks.
Amazing lesson. Looks like I need that book too...
Wow that riff at 19 20 or so. Yeh rick
Thankyou. It reminded me of cathedral when eddie used delay and volume. But all picked. This is very much and eye opener to me. I will try to put more effort into this approach
Im mostly a blues kinda guy. This video is jusy super inspiring to me.
Again thankyou from Vancouver island
I totally agree about 3 strings at a time. I was guessing that was where you were going. Great info.
Great lesson and killer fluid playing!
Nice one Rick, love your LP classic, mines a 2005 great guitars
Now you can see how Steve Howe comes up with infinite number of never ending interesting melody lines. Always loved Howe’s style.
That trademark dramatic pause at the beginning
Chills
First coherent discussion of this I’ve heard
I have just discovered Maestro Beato. I prefer his packaged, edited videos to the streamed ones because there is a bit of fooling around and wandering around on the streaming videos. But make no mistake, this man is a gift.
This is a great video for everyone who already knows what he is talking about!
one of the best guitar lessons great playing examples
I disagree with the CAGED shapes not being "connected". The way I learned it is that each CAGED shape is contained inside a pentatonic position, so if you know your minor/major pentatonics and how to connect those up and down the neck, you can visualize the CAGED shapes inside them, as well as the complete diatonic scales around them. Maybe I'm missing something but thinking about it that way has helped me a lot.
true
I haven't mastered it but that's how I do it also.
On the same path here
Caged system is excellent and shows you everything Rick just showed here Caged connects all scales and chords in one cohesive system You dont learn these things overnight though
I find it useful in a similar way, knowing the root position all over the neck means you can forget the different pentatonic positions as really there is only one pentatonic scale, then you realise the position of the intervals from that root position, realise how to play the minor from that same position, it’s all valuable stuff.
Your pretty amazing... the skill you've developed in the loving spirit of the way of such devotion that shows... like many others in the humble times not being subjected to the error and unrest of others of the trials of life, which I see as true freedom being the time free from the stress of everyday life which music has a way of soothing, along with good friendly relationships..
Most helpful video for me ever. Thank you.
I had already learned caged, but when I took a moment to learn the triads and inversions that Rick demonstrated here and combined those with the 5 scale shapes I had already been using… holy cow, my playing is so much more flexible.
After this video, I had to buy your book. Thanks in advance Rick!
Excellent approach! I think you should do one on simply learning the NOTES on the full neck. Then, this higher level of chord shapes will make more sense. I wish I had learned the notes (by sight alone) much earlier in my guitar playing life. It makes everything easier. Thanks again Rick!
Yes I agree completely. CAGED is a shortcut for people who think learning the notes is too hard. But the reason why Rick can play so effortlessly is because he knows his notes. The secret is to focus on one string at a time. Turn the guitar into a linear instrument like the piano. Then add one string, then another. That's why you learn a 6 string guitar before learning a 7 string guitar. But no one makes a 1 string guitar....
Absolutely love your videos
Glad all of your "What Makes This Song Great" videos are up now Rick. Excellent news.
Hey Rick...What you are offering on these postings is really wonderful...I was a Guitar Teacher for most of my working life...Though you make me feel that I was teaching in my sleep as hard & Keen that I was to do it right..Man you have raised the Guitar teaching bar so High....Now here is my request...How about getting together with Paul McCartney for a chat with guitars in hand...I reckon that that would be the Biggest Scoop of All...And A lot of people will love it !!
FIrst time the CAGED thing ever made sense to me. Thank you!
Very Cool with these shapes you see the possible notes more quick.
CAGED helped me to see chords easily, but I also quickly found its usefulness was constrained to standard tunings and the tonalities that it tended to emphasize were either Ionian or Aeolian, maybe other modes but in the root position. For a while I switched to 4ths tuning like Stanley Jordan and with the symmetry of intervals across all strings in 4ths tuning, the 3NPS was the only system that could map out the shapes horizontally and vertically. And when I went back to standard tuning, the 3NPS was what stuck, and I found it easier to connect positions located above or below the particular positions in the 3NPS mapping on which I happen to be.
Great video, looking forward to the "What makes This Song Great DT style :)
I heard some licks from Crossroads....and even a Van Halen cathedral there...amazing how those things come together. You appreciate the music more when you see its roots.
sorry it’s off topic but I can’t stop smiling since you said What Makes This Song Great with Genesis
I personally hope it’s something before or from trick of the tail, but anyway, really awesome channel thank you.
You actually helped a lot with my matura paper, my friend and me, we recorded an EP and I mixed it and got everything from your channel.
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Genesis’ _In the Cage_ from ...On Broadway is an _AMAZING_ track!
@@Phil_Trujeque In the Cage is awesome...I also love the grind of "Back in NYC" -
its heavy-metal Genesis...
my ultimate pick would be supper’s ready but it’s a littlebit long
Hey Zoli, look up the Band Geeks on you tube. They cover Lamb Lie Down! Shivers dude!!!
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I’ve seen several of their copies - those guys/gals kick serious rump!
Awesome video Rick. Thanks!
Just bought ur book! thanks for the discount code!
Back when I was at GIT (MI now) in '80 or '81 Joe Pass showed me the CAGED system vs the 7 position classical system I was using. If I remember correctly the classical system theory was 1 position for each of the 7 notes in a major/minor scale. I use both now. (50 years later) But I always thought that if it was good enough for Joe it most certainly must be good enough for me ...
It helps a lot to just take, for example the D and the A shape on the top 3/4 strings. Then you remember the root is always in the middle, the 5th is on top (from where you are looking) and the 3rd is on the bottom. So now your major chord is basically 5 1 3. All you have to do for a min. chord is move the 3rd a half step down, just remember how you finger your Dm and Am chords. This now goes for all chord formulas (no extended chords here). If I can understand this anyone can.
very inspiring，I also used the three strings to practice one octave scale for all the modes in diatonic scale and melodic minor. But I will use the root note as start and my fingers start from the left or the right of the root note. Then I use these two to connect the whole pattern within six strings.
Hello Rick you are a great player and a great teacher...
lots of great information...now time to practice, practice and then some more practice.
Rick this is Superb and very informative.
Wow! Learned a lot in the first 5 minutes🤗
Really enjoyed this. Brilliant. Practical. Earthy.
Finally got around to ordering the Beato Book just now. My plan is to Chromecast it to my big screen or use my iPad.
I've made more break thru's following Rick in the last year than the previous 20 years, anyone who's starting out, forget tab! Learn theory and learn the neck - there's only really one shape - the diatonic scale, wish I knew that when I was 17, and learn the circle of 5ths and your 75% of the way there already - there's no question Beato is the musical king of UA-cam - its all I the Beato book
I finally bought your book and I didn't use the code. It's WAY above my raising (as we say down south) but I think that the book is a bargain without the code. I need that neuro watcha-ma-hoozit loaded with what you know downloaded to it. Then I can just download that to my little pea and play music like I want to. Most of what you say flies well above my head but I think there's hope :) Your "what makes this song great" series sells albums and MP3's. And last but not least, your channel is how I figured out that the left channel speaker on this POS laptop was out. I plugged in some external speakers and now I can hear BOTH sides. That's kind of important :o)
Back in my early days of guitar lessons we called Behind the note as "Backhand", then "Cross hand" (at the note), and Cello for above the note. Although I cannot remember who's method book I was reading from back then. They say the memory is the second thing to go. I forget what the first thing is.
This is amazing Rick! When you were moving the triads in the circle of fifths it reminded me of Pat Metheny warming up before his solo concert! This is to me the only way to really unlock the guitar and gives one the ability to play all music from Bach to Bebop!
....Love your show Rick...Love your book too....
The CAGED System shapes connect like Legos up the neck. The forms/shapes are connected. You fill in the forms with notes from the major scale and pentatonics. You can transpose as needed. It's a logical system to see notes on the fret board, triads within scales, create more complex chords and embellish them.
awesome content Rick! love listening to your playing too. When you refer to the exercises as being in the Beato Book, I sometimes struggle to find them. Is there any chance you mention the page or section number in future please?
Rick. Absolutely love all of your videos please keep up the great work. Was wondering if you might be able to do a video on how to keep a Les Paul in tune. I’ve had high-end Les Pauls to the lower end knock offs I’ve tried every tip in the world and I cannot go through a song without having to retune. Because of this I’ve gone away from my Gibsons and have moved to ESP’s.