MIXING ON THE SOFTUBE CONSOLE 1
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- The only way to really review a product like the Softube Console 1, is by doing a full mix on it. So... That's what I did.
Music:
The Switch Written and Performed by Dan Kaminsky
As featured on I Don't Have a Band
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Thanks so much for including me in one of your videos! This track was my first attempt at a professional record and mix two years ago. So lots of issues. Great job navigating that. I've learned a lot since then. Fascinating to see someone with their own take on the track. My challenge is I write and play the songs and then I have to switch gears and become the mix engineer. I know too much about all of the parts! I put in my vote to hear this track mixed on your big console. This song is meant to be all analog so would love to see what you could do with it in your true realm. Great job Wyste!
Dan The Manski
@@donalobroin1775 Ha!!
@Meep Thanks. Was really fun to be a part of this.
I know what you mean about wanting to hear it on the console! I know this is about the Console 1, but it's driving me nuts hearing how limiting it is. It doesn't add any character. I'm watching him mix this, and I'm just dying to grab some FabFilter plugins, run stuff through some UAD MkII channel strips for some real drive, use Klanghelm's amazing SDRR saturation and MJUC compressor to give it some analog flavor. That's my answer to not having a Neumann console, and I'm much happier than I think I would be with his workflow, because the small console makes it too hard to recall stuff you want to change later in the mix. I'm also finding myself screaming "add some automation!" so stuff builds up to a "wall of sound" instead of just having it be there. I'd like to hear that organ sneak in and maybe even have the guitars fade out to an organ outro. Funny how we all hear things differently. My conclusion on the Console 1: no thanks. Feels like a really limited tool that over complicates the workflow without adding any real color or value to the overall sound. I'm super happy to be on the UAD train with FabFilter, Klanghelm, and a few others for spice.
i use to listen to other style of music , but your shit rocks
good songwriting too
I love my Softube C1 so much that in my spare time I watch videos of other people mixing with C1 on UA-cam LOL
I literally came and did the same thing bc I love it so much 😂
watching you struggling here makes me feel better. I'm not the one who from time to time doesn't know what to do. But you have the balls to show it!
It was my goal to indeed make the stugglers feel better, because its just reality
Wait, I think you confused the track name. Its Sandstorm by darude!
I've seen like 30 videos where he uses sandstorm and Everytime it sounds like a new song 😂 probably should look it up
3:30 for raw mix
1:31:19 for end of Day One
1:55:41 for end of Day Two
I am glad you went and followed through with your mixing mindset and procedure...I enjoy your perspective and those little things that are used to make a 'mix' pop and the song overall, stand out !!! Thank you, much love!!!
Was waiting for this. Awesome. Just became a patreon. After watching nearly all your vids I've gained invaluable information and obviously I want to show my gratitude some how. Thanks :)
Okay. I'm the 1000th like on this video. So yay me. I was on the verge of deciding wether to buy a Console 1 or not. I'm a big fan of the SSL4000E sound and I have some experience on it. Wytse, you've convinced me. The workflow seems to fit quite nicely with how I work. So thank you!
Well, i’ve watched an entire priceless video like a tutorial for making decissions in the mixing, but i own the Console 1 over 1 year and i can tell that if you take mor time using it, you will get to make whatever you need with it. It’s by far one of the best buys i’ve ever done, obviously, it’s my opinion.
Greets!!
I trust you. The problem, here, he doesn't know the product, so He does mistake. 1rst, read the manual. 2: learn & exercise yourself. 3 : Make a review. LOL
@@PhilippeBlancR5 If it sounds right, it is right.
@@RecTec77 Yeah, of course, but if you know the product, you can do things more quickly.
Ariel Elicabe I’m a Console 1 user too. It was painful watching him stumble all over himself then blame the equipment. I’m really disappointed, he’s usually much better. But he didn’t even gain stage or pan properly. Even if you don’t RTFM, at least watch a UA-cam video or something. But don’t tell the internet that the device sucks, when you don’t know how to use it.
Love your video's, love the realness and straight to the point reviews you do.cant thank you enough.keep up the awesome work.
Thanks for this. I was interested in this but I needed to see it in action. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Would be cool seeing you mix the same song with your neumann!
+1 on that!
What model is the Neumann console?
You are like my guilty pleasure reviewer on youtube. Love how you do what you do. I hope companys keep sending plugs to you!
Great to see the whole process unedited and yes.... I'd love to see Episode II, The return of the Console as well : )
Great showcase of the abilities and shortcomings of the Softube console. I think the final result was excellent and I love the track also... great progressive rock instrumental in the Rush vibe. Obviously ya could have gone much deeper , but it was a totally effective experiment :)
this version of sandstorm was very different 😉 thanks for the vid! learned a lot
Wow, I love the sound of that Fabfilter reverb!
How this song sounds better without Plugins and eq, than my personal mixed and mastered songs after 2 month of tweaking.
A good mix starts with a good arrangement.
Yes.. and this is far too busy there's no room, no air it's a wall of competing insruments. As soon as you use ITB reverbs it becomes mush.
Wyste, thanks for this hands-on mix. Since you appreciate tactile and time-saving interfaces, I'd like to mention a product that I think would be incredibly useful to you, and that is the Elgato Stream Deck. Originally designed for live streaming gamers, its is basically a software switcher (for changing scenes and sources with broadcasting software like OBS). Since it can put any keyboard combination on a pushbutton switch, with nearly any kind of icon you like (including animated gifs!) along with multi-actions (with timing between actions down to the millisecond!) the Stream Deck is not only a real time saver, but it also helps with those less-used keyboard shortcuts. Of course, I config the most-often used shortcuts, but its the ones I don't use that often that really benefit from the Stream Deck implementation because I don't have to stop and look at a menu. I even made my own old-school Transport for Reaper, and, with the USB extension cable, I can put the Stream Deck anywhere I like and punch-in/out, etc. with total Transport control like my old Studer remote, lol. On the toggle keyswitch function (which I use for Control-R in Reaper) I put a red icon for the "on" state, so I know when I'm in record by looking at the button on the Stream Deck. You can configure and unlimited number of profiles, and the software supports nested multi-level menus, folders, and even can be configured to switch to a profile when an app is started. So, on my Music Production Menu, I press the Reaper button, and my Reaper profile with shortcuts automatically loads. 3rd party developers are coming out with new free functions every day. One that I recently added to my Reaper profile is the CPU monitor. So, I can see the CPU load right on a lighted button. There is also UA-cam, Twitch, and other live stream integration too. I'm positive that once you take a look at this device, we'll soon see it sitting on your desk!
I got anxiety watching this. Guitar players always write songs that showcase an insane amount of extra riffing at the expense of the actual song. literally have no breathing room whatsoever, like even the best guitar players of all time didn’t need to layer 5 different guitar tracks. Such a cluttered arrangement that the mixing becomes a Herculean task.
Great video, like most others I was pleased to see you struggling and you do need to update that driver, I bought the Console 1 plus a UA Apollo Twin a month ago and am very pleased with the way I can integrate the Apollo plugins into the Console 1. At present I'm revisiting a lot of my old mixes, doing a stereo bounce and then remix on the Console - just to see if there really is a difference, with the 2 I've done so far I'd have to say that there is, not necessarily better but different.
I've also nearly made the plunge and almost gone completely over to Reaper - forced to use ProTools for education, industry standard and all that, DAW of choice has always been Samplitude because its a one stop shop, I can record, mix, Master (as in pull your own teeth) and burn a CD, remember CD's? all within the one program.
My only head scratching bit was you had one verb only and very little panning, I was impressed with the lack of compression.
Great job, bring on the Neumann
In its raw state (3:30 to 8:02), the track is already beautiful... very well performed. I look forward to learning how to turn a good song into a great record.
Good for you for having the guts to learn how to mix on a new tool on camera. Nice job bud
Thanks for posting a video using the Console One! I would definitely watch you do the same same mix on your console!
Dude, I watched a lot of your "snake oil" videos and I was really excited to see your Console 1 review and I think you did a justice to the product, showing it's use to a great extend, but the mix approach... I have heard of LCR mixing, but never heard of CCC mixing until today. This could have just sounded so much better should you have used ANY pan changes... seriously... You got synth and organ, two rhythm guitars, both of these would greatly benefit from some panning.... maybe 45L/45R for the guitars and 60L/60R for the keys... numbers can differ but it would have greatly open the sound, reduce the phasy effect of overlapping instruments and, well, you got my point. Level and EQ wise you did great job, but how you missed the panorama is just beyond me.
He should have never bounced the midi tracks that early in the process. I guess he thought he was finished with them but there's a ton or improvement that those need and that is the beauty of midi - you can modify them forever util you have them just right.
So far your making it nice
hey dude, could you review the presonus faderport series? (either the faderport 8 or faderport 16). im thinking of getting one eventually, as it seems to be a pretty good inbetween for hardware mixing and software mixing.
Sounds good..... here’s what I would have done with the intro sample... I would nudge that to the right so it would end/fade out after the drum roll and first down beat. For the guitars, I would start to pan them a bit as more guitars were coming in. Keeping the harmony guitars in the middle....You did an awesome job with eq’ing them and giving them that separation.... thanks for sharing this! I learned some stuff today!
Perfect video buddy. Not so curious about the "Console 1" anymore ;-) Thanks for the relief
Algorithm God sent me here and Im loving it
Thank you for videos like this. I dream about living my life as a musician and work as audio engineer too. You are being a helpfull hand.
Good job, pal!
sooo glad u did this man thank you so so much
Didn't you think about double tracked rhythm guitars? That could be the reason for the two tracks...
Big up Tibor, Marta, and Maria
I want to see the mix-fix on the big console to compare! I know you are glad I voted that way (and also not glad) :D
Strange.. this episode introduced some issues that were not immediately apparent to me. Firstly I realized I have quite a prescribed work flow and that it would be hard for me to change at this stage. Also I am now really quite adept at using the mouse and keyboard shortcuts combinations.
It would have to work with every third party plugin for me to include it in my setup.
Thanks for the real-life road test.
What I’m doing is using third party plugins to shape my individual sounds and get the exact tone I want…. then using Softube to marry the track together into a finished product with subtle adjustments to even out the mix
One starts speaking Spanish and her pronunciation was flawless. I said who taught you Spanish, she said well the vowels are the same but her husband was a Puerto Rican smiling.
yes do the comparison mix
36:57 “I’m just a simple audio engineer, that doesn’t know shit about audio.” LOL
Quite interesting!! Just one question... Is it possible to mix using the console 1 without opening the plugin view?? I mean.... you put a plugin instance in every channel and so.... but then keep the screen clean and just watching the Daw mixer. I love everything about this console, but the graphic wiew of EQ and Compression annoys me a little.
I have a Console 1 and am undecided about it. I like the fact everything can be done from one plugin, hands on but it doesn't integrate with Logic Pro like it does in this video, which is a pain! I would love to see the same mix done on the Neumann console :)
Mix it on the Neumann console to compare. Thanks for the great video!
Bro I saw you @ Dancefair today. You were busy and didn’t wanted to bother you but wanted to thank you for ur videos.ga zo door!
I absolutely want to see you mix it on the real console, would really be interesting to see:
I feel you mixing those guitars. I never mixed distorted e-guitars before. It seems like mixing those changes the intention of the artist in such a huge way and that distorted guitars should be adjusted properly in the first place. I would be interested in a video where you show what EQing is really for in terms of distorted guitars! I remember a song with 2 parallel leadguitars u EQed and it was basically about giving both of them separate spaces to improve the interaction between the melodies!
Wow, best video you made.😎 You are master mixer. 👍👂👏
Really great to see a mix all the way through with the Console 1 . I own one and use it on every mix I do , am considering getting the Softube Fader as well. It may be a silly question but can I assume that during your mix prep that you set up gain on the tacks and snapped the drum tracks to the grid ? Again, thanks for the Vid, really get a lot out of your stuff .
MORE COWBELL,,,,,,, No, I love this, straight forward tone shaping goes along way. As far as the "Console 1" Very cumbersome, you almost need to write every channel location down,
Thank You so, so, so, SOOooooooo MUCH !!!! It`s very helpfulll ! GOD bless You !
One guy told me mono the low end to make it sound like old vinyl records
Excellent video, great tune to test it on! Love to see this on the Neve! But the snare, really?
Hello, Wytse! Tell please is this common practice for you to not use HP filters in general?
Great review man....like "tested by human"...i will buy softube, and this me so help understand how it works. I'm almost professional and I don't believe much in new products like this console. But this console is no bad...i dont like edit all with only mouse....hand and ear work better ! Thx super
the playing is over the place...
It is a terrible track. I'd love to see and follow a mix of a recording of professional musicians! That way the Console 1 will come to shine.
Great video, would be great to see you demo this with the new addition Softube 10 channel fader control surface!!!! Thanks!
Is this the rock remix of Sandstorm? Awesome.
PS. I think they call it shape because along with being a gate, it is a transient shaper. Just figured I'd throw a little icing on your cake.
Great vid mate. would love to see a mix on the Neuman i dont think it really needs to be the same sone. would be cool just to see your work flow on that not many videos about on that bit of kit. cheers
Any way to get this working with unofficial pirated protools 12HD and torrent the plugins? Asking for a friend. Thanks
What's with the latency on the metering and eq graphic on console 1? There's also a delay in the graphics on the Fab Reverb.
But the meters in Reaper are in sync.
What's the deal there?
Would like to know before I buy one of these. Is it just the buffer size? Not sure I get it. Thanks.
Oh and good on you for doing a mix with this and showing us. It's nice to see it in use.
Thank you for this!!!
Ever tried A1 on individual tracks and panning the toms as if your engineering from in front of the band? just as they would appear in the kit.
the master @work
How is it you did not hear that the kick and snare are triggered. and mis triggers. You can hear it with in 10 seconds of the first listen. Sounds like a D4
no leakage no drums. Libraries...3 seconds to detect it. The real deal is to mix "real" drums where when you add a bit of 3.5k eq on a snare you destroy an hi-hat equilibrium! :D
see how nice that sounds and all you did was pulg it in... had mine for 6 months its been the star of the mix so to speak, you say you don't use the edit screen on the c1 id give that a 2nd look bro works without the unit also ..
MODERN DAY ROCKERS He needs to give the whole damn thing a second look! That was like letting a toddler play with a SSL. Just twisting knobs, and complaining as if it’s the Equipment’s fault he doesn’t know how to use it.
I can't hear any low end on the mix for some reason from the bass anyways
great job dude :)
I would appreciate seeing you mix the song again on your Neumann console.
great job dude :)
Great track and video; just what I have been looking for with regards to Console 1...... but yeh, that Hi Hat????????
Excellent video! Yes, mix it on the Neumann! Kudos to the artist. Real music played by someone with talent. (Except the drums sound a little to clean to be real, but whatever!) Where is the link to his stuff? Love the channel and you're a truly kind and talented person. It would have taken me a month to figure out how to do a full mix with that thing and it would have ended up back in the box half way through that song! You're amazing, and it would be way nice if you'd remember to put links to the products and artists you feature in your videos. I'm know the viewers would like it, and I'm pretty sure the artists and companies would, too. I know this was about the Console 1. (I'd return it, too.) But, some thoughts on the mix for next time:
Those guitars would benefit a lot from some tricks that Warren Huart uses a lot. He'll make 2 duplicates of each, run a HPF on one, and a LPF on another and EQ them very differently, pitch shift them down an octave, distort them like crazy, then bring it up just enough in the mix so it's just barely audible. Adds balls and warmth to vocals, guitars, almost anything, but you can't make it out in the final mix. He'd probably also pitch shift them about 6 cents in each direction in addition to the time shift and some panning differences. He's got some great tricks for adding texture and depth to stuff like those guitars.
That would be me :) Thank you so much for your thoughts. Really glad Wyste took an interest in mixing this track. You have keen ears BTW. I play all of the instruments myself but I can't play drums like that. I have a super hybrid method of building those drums digitally. My hope is to find a drummer to replace that and re-issue the tracks with a real drummer. Cheers!
@@LonelyRocker Impressive! I might know someone who would be interested in doing that. He's currently in the middle of scoring some film projects, but if you want, I'll ask him to let me know the next time he mics up his kit. Super talented, very heavy Neil Peart influence. I think his style would sound great with this material. Ironically, all I'm hearing in this mix are the drums, and it's clearly a guitar oriented song. I'm only at 1:33:12 so far. I'm interested to see if he realizes the least human instrument is driving the mix. I think it might be electronic music syndrome drawing his ear to the most robotic element. Pull those drums back and get the guitar parts up where they want to be! Curious to hear …
@@xaosnox I would totally be up for that! You or he can message me here: lonelyrocker.com/contact Also, there is a full video on my channel for this track. It was the first mix I did 2 years ago and I'm planning to improve it soon but you can see what it's all about: ua-cam.com/video/jOCWG54r6gY/v-deo.html
I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one who uses compressor very sparingly, as opposed to dumping it on every track.
Plus I don't know if he gave u live drums or a loop
Hi Wytse, would be nice to see and hear the same track mixed with the new ssl uc1 control and plugins. Thanks and greets
Yeah...Super cool
You asked what we would try to make the listener feel his toms and we'll the kit
Cool stuff!
I have a motu 828es so no M1 support blows. So I have my Mac Pro 5.1 with thunderbolt card working. Go figure it is supposed to be impossible to do this. So little old me gets it working and Motu hasn’t done anything for Big Sur. I love my Motu except that one pain in the ass exception. I really don’t get them
what's your opinion if one does not have a real console to mix on?
Is it worth it?
Then it probably is 😊
@@Whiteseastudio thank you for your reply :)
hope to get it by the end of the month
would you consider doing this mix again or a different mix using the "Softube Console 1 Fader" now that it has come out?
Antonio Marcello He should definitely re do his C1 experience. I think he missed the point, and didn’t bother to learn the system. Fader is a good excuse to give it another go, but this time RTFM.
I think you may have hit on something other channels. Mixing start to finish might be a good series for you. Thumbs up from me
Awesome Channel
Great video! One question though, why did you not adjust the input gain for console 1 to 0dB? Shouldn‘t that be done to hit the sweet spot of the plugin? At least that‘s what some other videos suggest 🤔
I should have gotten myself something to drink beforehand
You will be way better if you remember gain staging, just as you do on your analog console. Set Input gains on everything so input meters hit around -12. It will be easier to set Gate and Compressor Tresholds then and Drive circuit will sound right. It also will sound more balanced already with faders around 0
Евгений Медведев exactly
I wonder why you didn't use the trick to route one track thru multiple channels. This is a common trick if you want to use only the console, that way you can boost or cut more on particular frequency and also use one compressor as deesser and do other things without a need of additional tools.
After seeing your initial review video of this I was curious to see how it was "in action"...now, after seeing you struggle through this, I'm not sure which I hate more, this or Waves CLA mixhub...
I'm considering the Nectar Panorama P1 because of its deep integration with Reaper. After seeing this video, I'm almost completely convinced that the value of the Console 1 is the plug-in package. Could you please comment on the P1 in relation to the Console 1?
They played college Tennis in Florida.
Okay so is it good o r no good? you can not use it for anything else right? I mean, apart from UA Softube stuff/ ?
lol . i saw this video yesterday. met the gang of Softtube today in linkoping...
Wheres that neumann mix?
Maybe the Hammond works better with the Softube Saturation Knob or a real leslie
I think he made
a mistake its sandstorm by Darude
so, you have paned the tom in perspective of the drummer. So in my opinion its better to pan them in perspective of crowed. But yeah, its taste :-)
Thx for showing this daw controller. Nice stuff.
Did you find a solution for the lack of Q factor?
Also, another vid with softube faderz az well?
the metering is off on my console1. It moves before the actual sound. How can I solve this?
wtf u saved that mix lol.
even the EZdrummer tone u made better haha.
Hi. I know you are using REAPER so,,,,,I recently installed reference 4 software and it seemed to be working fine. Yesterday I downloaded REAPER latest version 5.973 and my pc crashed. Can't get past the welcome screen and keyboard/mouse don't function. Anybody else have similar problem?
I was thinking to myself just now if I would use a hardware unit like console 1 and then I remembered that I have limited space and I'm too lazy to dig out my expression pedal and use that, so that puts things in real perspective for me. The answer is hell no it would NEVER get used. Ever. Maybe once a year at most and the rest of the time if would be in a box in my closet.