Zoom H5: how and why to use PHANTOM POWER
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Condenser microphones, like the EM-800 (link below) do need +48V of Phantom Power.
What is phantom power?
Is it dangerous (to dynamic mics)?
How to use it with the Zoom H5?
Anything we should consider?
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Thank you very much!
Happy to help! 👍🏻 And thanks for the comment!
Thank you. I appreciate the fact that you mentioned using a power bank. Being dense, I never thought to use one. It looks like you plug the H5 into a typical Anker PowerCore. Is it just the 5v version for cell phones? (Liked the video.)
Yes, it's just their "normal" power bank. And you can also power it "from the wall". For that, same cable and just a normal phone charger works perfectly fine as well.
I started using power banks shortly after I begin to use Zoom H5, it chews through batteries fast - I am using maximum settings, and if I have an outlet I am using, I also sometimes use H5 as a USB mic. Never used Phantom power on it I wanted to try but the microphone I wanted to test costs 2000 EUR
Yeah, I usually use it plugged into the wall.
And I don't have any 2000 bucks to test either 😅
I use the H5 as well in combination with two Rode NT5. They can be driven with 24 or 48 Volts. Both do work. I noticed no sound difference except for that the batteries of the H5 are faster down, when using 48V (of course: more power consumption). A friend of mine suggested: better use 48V instead of 24V, because then there's low noise! Is that true? Can this be explained physically/electronically?
Hi there! I'll try :) the voltage will affect how much gain do you need to add to reach certain level. The more gain you need to add, more noise. The less voltage, more gain, more noise.
This was a simplification, but hopefully answers the question.
And you could test that also. Same microphone, same source at same level and distance. Does the gain needed to get the same output level change? If not everything I said is s**t though 😂
@@RogerinFinland Really? I didn't notice that, when I tried that ... but I'll try again .... means: 48V is always better !! (?)
Haven't tested myself, but I should think so. Even if it works at 24v, most mics that requires phantom power they do have a value or a range. If it's one value, that should give best results, if it's a range, the highest.
However, if 24v gives you good enough results and saves battery life, why not use it? ☺️
Don't let the search for better/perfect get on the way of good enough! 👍🏻
What a great video. Thanks!
Glad you liked it!! And many thanks for the comment!!
thank you for this!!!
@Emma McAllister thank you for the comment! And I'm just happy if the video was of any help 😊
This was helpful! Thank you.
I use Shure SM7B for my in studio podcast and believe I need fantom power for those or it will not have any input. I will be using my H5 for field recording with 2 Shure SM48, is it true that I DO NOT need phantom power for those? Thi also answers the question of why my Zoom battery died while recording my last podcast! I know you use a power bank, can I plug the Zoom right into the wall to keep it charged during ym podcasts? Thanks again for all the help. I gave you a subscribe!
Hi! The SM7B is a dynamic mic, so you don't need phantom power (same with the SM48).
And yep, you can power it from the wall using a normal phone charger with a USB port. Quite practical ☺️
Does a H5 require external phantom power like a NEEWER phantom power supply? If so, how do we fix it? Or is it powered entirely by batteries? Can we use rechargeable batteries?
No, the H5 provides the phantom power from the batteries in it.
Yes, you can use rechargeable batteries like Eneloop with it. You can also power it via USB.
@@RogerinFinland may i ask what the specs are for your powerbank? how much voltage needed to power it?
@@pyrablok9505 Not sure... I do have an old Anker, which I presume delivers 5V via USB, but I usually power the H5 with a phone charger plugged to the mains.
Sweet video, thank you!
Thanks! And happy to help 😊
Hi Roger thanks for your earlier reply! Can we turn on both the AC adaptor (which comes along with it) and not take out the batteries? also can we use rechargeable batteries? must it only be Eneloop?
Yeah, the USB power can be used even with the batteries inside. And I assume that any pair of AA rechargeable batteries will work, I just mentioned Eneloop because it's what I used on occasion.
i’m really surprised by this audio,can u make a tutorial workflow of the audio recording equipments, recording ,settings and processing in premier or davinci for the youtube video,just got the zoom h5 for my youtube channel
Sounds like a good idea for a video!!
If I may ask, in what way did the audio surprise you?
@@RogerinFinland The quality of the audio surprised me.its crisp and clear and so attractive to watch the video even if i’m not interested in the subject.
My doubt/problem with UA-cam audio is not good enough nor not having good quality audio gears.So yesterday only i purchased zoom H5 and thinking of a XLR microphone for my UA-cam videos.which one do u suggest ? i can not invest like shotgun,frankly i’m in a budget friendly but i can increase my budget little more if the cheap one can’t make me feel happy.How to record audio(like24bit 48khz,settings) and gow to process in softwares to get like ur crispy audio etc,
hope my english is good enough to make you understandable .thanks a lot for replying me
Thanks! I'll definitely will be making a video on my audio setup for UA-cam, but here is the very affordable microphone I almost always use: ua-cam.com/video/vml8PqYZNHs/v-deo.html
Hey Roger, do you suggest a rode NTG2 to go along with a H5? I heard many bad things about it!
Not sure why you are interested if you heard bad stuff about it :D
Not sure actually as I haven't used it. I do own an NTG4+ and I'm happy with it, but I don't have anything similar to compare it.
You could take a look at the Deity S2 also, they get good reviews. Again, I myself have no experience with them, even though I'd love to try.
So, I *can* safely use the H5 phantom power to my Tech Zone Stellar X2 cardioid condenser mic when in a portable situation?
Yes, that is a large condenser mic that requires 48v of phantom power, which the H5 is capable of delivering while on battery or USB power.
The bigger challenge (in my opinion) of using large condenser mics in portable situation is the stand/mount combo. These microphones, as I understand, require more care and careful handling than, let's say, a singing dynamic mic.
Hey Roger, there is a video where some chap suggested to use a phantom supply solely for the ntg2 microphone (not the recorder), so that the preamp has less work to do and it actually helps with boosting the signal before it goes into the preamp port. Do you think that makes sense? having the h5 on phantom power and the ntg2 mic on phantom power too?
ua-cam.com/video/451I5t0SKYo/v-deo.html this is the video
I'm not sure. If the preamps are bad or noisy it might help, maybe? But what if the phantom power supply would add something nasty?
I would give it a try if I would be unhappy with the NTG2 + H5 combination. I wouldn't add more complexity if I'm happy enough with the sound 👍🏼
I had switched on the power of my Azden Shotgun mic on Zoom H5 amd switched on Phantom Power also. I feel it blew something inside Zoom H5, I had to replace it. I want to understand why it blew it. I was supposed to switch off the Phantom Power of H5?
In general Phantom power should be provided only to devices that need it. Otherwise one or both of the devices could be damaged) i.e. giving phantom power to a dynamic microphone.
As to the question of "why", I'm not totally sure. Maybe some grounding or voltage mismatch between the devices?
@@RogerinFinland Thanks for your prompt response. I appreciate it very much.
It is awesome
Thanks!
My mic has its own battery house, it works with 1.5V battery. Can I use it with phantom power Zoom H4n Pro ?
Some microphones do have the option of battery power so that they don't need phantom power (like the NTG4+).
However they're designed to work with power, either the battery one or the phantom power from the recorder. I believe it's usually not recommended to use both at the same time.
@@RogerinFinland Okay, thanks for the quick answer. I'll try removing battery and use phantom power when my xlr to xlr cable finally arrives
I can't get any audio on my speaker monitors when using balanced TRS cables to the Zoom H5. I'm hoping it's a simple case of not using the right settings. Any advice?
Could you explain a bit more your setup? What are you plugging via TRS cables to the H5? And how are you then feeding the speaker monitors from the H5?
Just an initial thought: if you are using TRS (stereo) cables plugged into the 1 and 2 combo inputs of the H5, not sure if that will work. Those inputs are mono after after all.
Also, Id love if you could check out my show and give me any constructive criticism! It's filmed with Sony A6400 and I do all the editing on Premiere Pro and Audition! Thanks!
is a behringer c1 a good microphone to use with my zoom h5 as audio interface? will the sound improve?
I haven't owned or tested that microphone, so unfortunately can't answer.
And when you say if the sound will improve, compared to what? What are you using now?
@@RogerinFinlandright, I'm currently recording with the XYH mic capsule, sounds great, but there's a ton of videos talking about the phantom power and I was trying to see if it's as good as they say, the thing is, I'm kinda broke, so I don't want to spend money if it's not really going to improve my sound. Of course I'm trying to make the best take everytime I record, but speeding up the process with a better mic could be nice.
XYH 5 I believe, the one that comes with the zoom h5, so basically recording with the inbuilt mic, so do speak
All right, so the XY capsule is a stereo microphone in an XY pattern. Excellent for ambient sound (think of a full music band in a room, nature sounds, etc). It's pretty good as voice microphone given that you're very close to it.
The C1 (I had to check what it is) is a large diaphragm condenser microphone. These are designed usually as voice microphones and they also need to be right in front of the speaker. It definitely should sound better than an XY for that purpose. But, if you do video that is a big thing that needs to be in front of your mouth, so in the frame.
The phantom power isn't something that makes "the sound better". It is just that certain types of microphones require it to work.
If you are on a budget, want a microphone mostly for voice indoors and you want it out of frame, the t.Bone EM700 is an unbelievable option. I just published a video about it if you want to check it out and listen how it sounds.
Hopefully this helps a bit 😊
@@RogerinFinland just did, and I'm definitely taking your advice. Great channel Ro-G
Thank you very much!!!
Happy to help! 👍🏼😊