A Feminist's Rebuttal To Men's Rights Arguments | Michael Kimmel
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“MRAs say the gender wage gap is a myth, but economists don’t say that!”Yes. They. Do. They literally do.
I don't know a single economist who doesn't say this.
He even fails when he was asked about longer work hours. Just saying its an hourly wage gap is the half truth. Its better for your career if you work longer hours. So it is not a gender wage gap but a wage gap depending on how many hours you work.
He must know this, but he is not talking about it.
Next feminists will pay famous economists to talk about the wage gap. You can count on it, they've done that to countless other professions.
Work full time and you get a full wage. But since many women choose to work part time they get only paid a part
It's for different work
He makes a good point, that some jobs, tend to be naturally sexist and bridging the gap is difficult.
For instance, roughnecks, crab fisherman and sewerage workers tend to be predominately men. If we can get more women doing sewerage work, then maybe we can bridge this gap.
Jack Dingler nah, all he cares about is bridging the top
Don't forget Waste Disposal Management
I agree. Getting more equal representation among the high-risk dangerous jobs would also include more women in the workplace injury & fatality statistics.
The patriarchy has monopolized workplace deaths far too long, those bastards!
However, if that actually happened, you can bet real money that the safety issues would get far more attention. Threats to women do a whole lot to improve visibility. Dead & mutilated men don't seem to stir the hearts of the public enough to mobilize them.
You'd have to break the old sailor's superstitions first. Also I know you were kidding.
Hold on Jack are you implying that women only want the glamorous,glitzy best paying jobs? I agree it sure seems that way.
As a wildland firefighter, I will tell you that there are some jobs that women cannot do as well as men. The very best, most competent woman will essentially compete with the average man in my line of work. I'm sorry, but it's just a fact.
I spent 3 years as an infantry man in 3rd Infantry Division. You sir are correct. From weapons and gear, carrying injured soldiers, weeks in the field with no hygiene. Don't think most women could handle it, don't know why they would either. That job suuuuuucks.
when I was working convoys, we could not stop for nine hours; that meant cold MREs and pissing in bottles. All of the females would purposefully dehydrate themselves so they wouldn’t have to piss. Two of them got sent home and one suffered permanent kidney damage.
Grand Plebe Those situations drive me mad, especially when it’s military roles. For feck sake more than a quarter of the female IDF have permanent health problems due to body strain.
I work in security and crowd control.
The company I work for has 6 women and 24 men employed as Crowd Controllers to manage 2 nightclubs and 4 bars most nights.
All 6 women are positioned in the station that oversees the CCTV cameras for that property.
"Equality" is a word that gets thrown around pretty frequently in my workplace, however it sure seems like men do the majority of the actual work.
I've found a similar case in my line of work: software engineering. The females tend to be decent at following procedure and doing routine tasks, but generally aren't very innovative. They tend to come up with average solutions to a technical problem instead of particularly exceptional or brilliant solutions worthy of accolades. There's a certain level of reliability from that type of mediocrity. They're good at following instructions without questioning them, for example, whereas the male engineers might raise more questions about things they find problematic as well as constantly exploring if things can be done in a different way. But it also keeps them from being very inventive and innovating in ways that would allow them to become elite since they don't ask those types of questions all the time that allow them to discover those exceptionally efficient solutions, e.g. The brilliant solutions don't come from people who just blindly follow the status quo.
Listening to Mr. Kimmel blather-on is painful and distasteful, but if Cassie can do it in close proximity, I guess I can too (at a distance).
This was when she was still firmly a feminist. You can even see it in the way she smiles and responds to him. He's reconfirming her beliefs at the time.
he's filled with so many false premises he is almost fractally wrong... For once, regarding the wage gap he begins by purposely misconstruing the meaning of "the wage gap is a myth"
Mislu
I loved him hearing talk about the wage gap.
He just talked about the big reason why it was a myth.
"The wage gap is really all about children and not gender at all..."
If we want more women working in high paying fields, then we need to force them into fields of study that they aren't interested in.
For instance if we want more women to become CEOs, then we need to force women to get MBAs and dedicate their lives to moving up in a corporation. We have to convince women that they shouldn't want a family and children, and if they insist, then they need to get a stay at home husband, to take care of their babies after they give birth. Their husbands can send them pictures to put on their desks.
They should pay alimony to the men then. Try to sell that!
And maybe women should start marrying down,as men will,I can attest that most men don’t care what kind of jobs,cars,Houses that women have they(Men)just want attractiveness,I suspect that most women don’t reciprocate this.They still want men with better paying jobs than they have.
"get a stay at home husband" no just get custody, enslave the non-custodial and pay fer daycare/pub school and 6 after school activities a week. while the wymen go to the job.
and dont forget to force men into child-caring duties, making them leave their career to cater the kids and let the wife build her career, yes, lets do it.
What is the downside to this? :^)
He wants equality of outcome. Not equality of opportunity. Tsk tsk.
Here are the entries for both: 'Equality' and 'Equality of Outcome' from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Read them and THEN form an opinion. That's the reasonable thing to do. Try it:
plato.stanford.edu/entries/equality/
plato.stanford.edu/entries/equal-opportunity/
This is where the SJeWry and Feminazis are getting their info. At the very least, know your enemy. lol
@@thatsterroristsbro7855 It doesn't matter. When the feminists say 'equality', the masses think of equal opportunity right away. Feminists rely on this.
in some ways I want equality of outcome.
Gotta love how is imposible to get a straight awser from him
Gotta love how his pattern of answers match that of Katherine Spillar ua-cam.com/video/8uyxANb6Ne0/v-deo.html
Yes. I can get straight awsers at my local grocery store for $1.50 a dozen.
Nothing straight about this guy....
He even admits the wage gap is because women take more time off. He said it near the beginning when he said women will take a little time off with their first child but will take even more time off with their second. Are you trying to tell me that WON'T affect their overall wages?
Actually I bet he is straight. He doesn't like men very much. My point is this guy likes getting pegged by women.
I'm going to answer your question by slicing a lemon into 8 uneven slices. Then we add a sprinkle of pepper and a pinch of salt. Now we will place the slices into a pre heated oven set to gas mark 6. Does that answer your questions?
hahah!!!
Not even Fred Astaire tap danced this much.
Who exactly is this guy supposed to be? He is factually inaccurate repeatedly and appears more interested in out the skating issues than actually addressing them. Typically I enjoy watching these outtakes but this guy doesn't belong on any list of experts.
"Michael Scott Kimmel (born February 26, 1951)[1] is an American sociologist specializing in gender studies. He holds the position of Distinguished Professor of Sociology at the Stony Brook University in New York and is the founder and editor of the academic journal Men and Masculinities.[2] Kimmel is a spokesperson of the National Organization for Men Against Sexism (NOMAS)[3] and a longtime feminist.[4] In 2013, he founded the Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities at Stony Brook University, where he is Executive Director.[5]" -wikipedia
Makes me sad to see such a feminine male in charge of a journal of men and masculinity
Mogwai Man ironic isn’t it. This is what feminists that a “man” should be....
Mogwai Man, yeah, it's right up there with Saudia Arabia heading the UN's human rights board, in terms of tragic irony you wish wasen't real.
But he is. This lispy, mincing, prissy little manlet who makes C3PO look butch by comparison, is supposed to tell the rest of us how to be a man propper. And what does it mean to be a man? Why to prostrate ourselves before the altar of feminism and renounce our masculinity, of course!
I really like this videos Cassie puts out, they add so much to the movie and you can see where she came from. But I couldnt endure more than 4 mins of this. That lying slimeball simple is one of the most off-putting things that walks on this planet. I rather listen to feminist song performance.
He didn't answer a thing. Deflect everything and provide no facts.
_"I'm sorry, this is all sociology, and...technical!"_
lol
Holy shit. That's patronising
I don't care about that. Cassie is a big girl. It's more the _"Sociology AND Technical"_ bit. The obvious disconnect between the two, and also how Kimmel never mentioned any 'technicalities', just ideology.
Would have been great if Cassie came back with "Are you trying to say I wont get the sociology and technical aspect because I am a woman?"
How on Earth did he get from "how are women discriminated against in the US?" to "MRAs think everything is women's fault"??
Because the bug heard "How 🔇women dicriminate🔇against 🔇🔇US (MRA)?"
It probably wasn't deliberate. This is just how a feminist's brain functions after so many years of straw-manning all opposition.
I imagine it's a case of wanting to address MRAs as primarily anti-feminist, which isn't entirely unfair, and then conflating "feminists" with "women."
If his assumption is that women have no agency, where else would he end up?
So... the earnings gap (not wage gap) occurs when women choose to have children and their priorities change. Starting out, they are basically equal to men according to this guy.
Where is the problem? Women are free to make life choices and that's bad?
yeah, and i NEVER heard a feminist speaking out for unemployeds (m or f) who were forced out of the workingclass and had no chance returning to it... THEY will have an eranings gap, too...
This guy loves to hear himself talk
oh and he loves to be a hero to women *gag*
Cassie, it is astounding that you didn't even crack the window open with such a huge pile of crap in the room.
for every action there is a reaction. . . except when the first action was a giant turd.
In 2013 she would've been soaking it all up, just as I was. By that stage I would've sought a little confirmation bias for comfort too... but when you want the truth a comfort "blankie" won't do.
She looks very happy with what he's saying here.
In my high school government class the teacher asked why more women weren't politicians and I raised my hand and said less women are interested in becoming politicians because it takes up so much of your personal life. The teacher told me I'm wrong and that it's because women have been oppressed for so long and now have a game of catch up to do. All the girls in the class nodded in agreement and I just rolled my eyes
I've been told that some study found American female politicians were just as likely to get elected, when they actually ran for office.
Yup. Sex appeal.
Strippers. Grid Girls. Hot sales reps. Webcam girls.
There aren’t many jobs like that for men that pay as well.
You forgot porn stars... though you got really close there with the cam-girls thing.
-Elvick that comment about pornstars was meant as they should be included in the list with strippers, and cam-girls.-
EDIT: ah that was a correction to the first..
that’s because people have reduced women to sex objects. men aren’t overtly sexualised to the extent that women are so it’s less appealing to consumers.
@@zizi8539 That's because people don't get the same chemical rush (read: pleasure) when looking at attractive men. It's a biological response and there's nothing wrong with that.
Nor is it reductive. We don't say roofers are work objects. We don't say police are protection objects.
Each of those individuals may be Rhode Scholars, but when you need your roof done or someone to respond to a home invasion, that's all you need/want from them at that time.
That does not lessen their personhood. The same goes for attractive women who leverage their appearance for financial gain.
A person sees an attracitive woman (or man), they get a rush of pleasurable feelings just by seeing them and/or being in their presence and they want more. That's a good thing, in my opinion.
I've watched the entire playlist of "Raw Files" for the The Red Pill now. I feel like these videos (and film) are going to be looked back upon with a certain amount of reverence hundreds of years from now.
Equal opportunity ≠ equal outcome.
Easy fix to the wage gap #1. Look at who is spending the money, not who is earning it. Slaves can make tons of money but the slaveowner spends it.
Well, after 16:30 it appears that he recognizes reality a bit. He's noticed that women have babies.
Then he says we need to fix this by supporting parents.
I was waiting to hear how this implementation might look, but all I heard was crickets.
"Here's the real problem, and the fix is, hand waving."
I'm not sure if he's being intentionally sexist here, by noting that there are biological differences between the genders.
Then he says that single men can go around having sex with any woman they want.
i guess he doesn't take no for an answer.
That wasn't my experience, when I was single. I only had sex with women who would let me.
Jack Dingler the funny thing is that he doesn't seem to think that on average, the more focused you are on your job, especially if it's a career, the better you get. So if a woman decides to take time off and invest more energy into taking take care of kids, the probability that she gives the same output as a man that's focusing on his career, maybe even doing work-related stuff outside the office, is very low.
But somehow, no matter the skill difference, men and women should have exactly the same wage because women take care of the children and men don't care about their kids (or so they say).
dont bother with Kimmel, hes a full blown feminist that has no clue about real masculinity, hes part of the harpies who cries about toxic masculinity
As parents men tend to become more dedicated workers and women less dedicated workers but if you factor that out... wait, what? It’s not discrimination to pay your hardest workers more. It would be discrimination not to.
i tell you how to fix that, break the traditional gender roles.
russel
a lot, gender discrimination, paygap, it helps to build equal opportunities in many playing fields for the sexes
The IMFs managing director Christine Madeleine Odette Lagarde has been there since 2011. When was this filmed? Or do we *shock horror* have another lying feminist on our hands?
Oh and In December 2016, the court found Lagarde guilty of negligence, in an investigation into Lagarde's role in a €403 million arbitration deal in favour of businessman Bernard Tapie, but declined to impose a penalty.
#WimmenzCanDoNoWrong
The date of filming was at the beginning... December 17 2013
#PussyPass
belongs in r/pussypass
This guy knows very well that if he was doing research on men rights, his books would sell less, his invitations to talk shows would go down. That is what happened to Warren Farrell
And yet, Warren Farrell had the integrity to pursue it none the less.
"It's incontestable that women are still being discriminated against." Spoken like a true authoritarian. Translation: You are not allowed to disagree with me.
I love this idea that employers arent paying employees as much before parenthood as after on their own subjective whims and it couldnt possibly be that once a man has a child and recognizes for his kid to do the best it can his wife needs to work less to raise the kid so he works harder. Its never self sacrifice but some handout from on high.
"Congrats Jim, ya had a kid. You now get paid $25/h instead of 20." Has damn near never happened and if it did without an increase in competence or responsibility that employee should be pissed.
My thoughts exactly. Howe he could say that with a straight face I'll never know.
If the patriarchy existed, why aren't companies dominated by women, since they could be paid less? Are bosses being generous when they hire men then, or just stupid, for paying more than they should for employees? (Assuming the women's quality of work would be the same as the man's) And why aren't there companies filled with mothers, since they earn even less than women and men??? Pffd conspiracy theories
SaintSebastian I noticed that he conflated the amount of money earned with how happy people were. Just because married men are motivated to earn more doesn't make them happier. It's not like they're earning that money for themselves.
When I turned 18 y/o , I and a few million other young men received a mandate from Selective Service: "We need your body for cannon fodder. You are expendable. You have no choice." The young women, meanwhile, were marching the streets demanding "My Body, My Choice." How is dialog possible between a class of disposable people and the most pampered and mollycoddled people in history? Female/male dialog is a sham. When the world is ready to accept two thousand female corpses on some beach like Normandy, then we can resume our talks. Or maybe even if we saw a female down in a hole fixing a ruptured water main when the temperature is 10 F.
This argument is always confusing to me as far as transgenderism being accepted as well because, if we're whole people, including both sides of masculinity and feminity, why would anyone need to change their gender?
When this video got made the United States had a feminist President who got elected by an electorate that was in the majority female. Not too long before this video, the Affordable Care Act got passed, entirely by members of the Democratic Party in Congress and a feminist President, and the Affordable Care Act afforded more entitlements to women than to men: archive.is/DBiVc
So, feminism has had something to do with men's problems.
Spoonwood - that has to be one of the dumber arguments I’ve seen in a while.
It's a fact that Obama was a feminist and plenty of Democrats who voted for the Affordable Care Act are feminists. Ignoring feminists who are not women is one of Michael Kimmel's errors.
Exactly. Feminism is much more politically connected than he lets on.
Conscription in it's current form is pushed by feminists
women and children first during emergencies is pushed by feminists
no fault divorce is pushed by feminists
child support is pushed by feminists
the duluth model and domestic violence laws are pused by feminists
#MeToo definitely is started by feminists
...the list goes on. You don't need to refer to a recent act nobody has heard of to prove your point.
Everything he said is horsepoop.
Especially when he said all boards on geopolitical issues are directed by men like the IMF. French woman Christine Lagarde has been head of IMF for >5 years now. Also forgot her name but ex head of CIA was a woman. It's actually just not true.
Also, being nice and kind and sensitive is one of the best pussy dryers i've witnessed. There is a paradox here that makes these feminist théories dangerous for any man who wants to get laid.
13:57 If married father are making more, then what is the money being sent on? If you, mr bug, believe that the problem is when families have kids, then are you in agreement with the idea of getting rid of alimony and for joint raising of children between parents? Can't have your untouched cake and eat it too.
The specious argument of Political Positions , President , Senate , Congress , Legislatures and so on, Woman are the majority of Voters??? And for him to bring up Colleges and Sexual assault, if it is that dangerous all Colleges should be shut down immediately.
Here’s the difference - feminist fighting for perceived discrimination, MRA fighting for actually discrimination.
Mr. Kimmel, do tell us of the 'structural impediments' that are keeping women out of the STEM fields. Please, do tell us what those are.
Isen't it obvious? All that money that's thrown at them via scholarship is damned heavy dude, it's a real burden to carry. It must be real tough.
Liar. Just a guy looking like he's trying to get girls
A rebuttal to his rebuttal in three words..."The Feminist Lobby".
The only way society will start considering men's issues is once men's issues start affecting women. We see this in the universities. More women are graduating from college than men and no one made any noise about that. However, once these females graduate, want to settle down and realize there are not enough educated men to marry them, now you hear about women pushing for more men to attend college. It's not that they care about men getting an education its that they only care about themselves and what they will get once the men attend college. This is why men's rights activists can never be successful. If they want to become successful they need to present men's issues from the standpoint of how these issues will affect women.
Personally, I prefer doing nothing and letting the society collapse. #GO MGTOW!
Everyone faces discrimination, it's not just sexism, racism or based on sexuality, religion or disability. People naturally carry prejudice, but only those with large groups behind them get noticed. There is also discrimination against the short, the ugly, the overweight ect... As best we can we need to avoid splitting into teams and just try to get the best out of everyone for the betterment of society
On the contrary, prejudice and discrimination are good things, and should be exercised freely. Those who discriminate on logical parameters, such as age, experience, education, personality, style, risk, etc. will be rewarded by the marketplace. At times, gender, race, appearance, religion, etc. can also be sensible parameters, depending on consumer demand, personal preference, cultural clash, etc. For example, if a labor market is dominated by good old boys, then hiring a woman is more likely to result in sexual harassment complaints, which is a cost any logical employer desires to avoid.
This is why certain jobs have certain demographics more represented. Most receptionists are young, attractive women, and typically represent the common racial demographic of the clientele, because it's based on consumer demand and profitability not the employer's bigotry. In sales it is very important to make sure that a salesperson is someone people are more likely to purchase. Consumers might be bigots, but more often people discriminate towards demographic differences based on statistics and personal experience. Everyday people change their behaviors based on the people they interact with, because something that is acceptable to say or do with one group, such as white, Christian men, could have undesirable consequences with another group, such as black, Muslim women.
Unfortunately, there is no free market for labor or anything else, so employer's are not allowed to openly discriminate. If they were, it would make it easier for consumers to choose whether their preferences make sense to them or not, and it would also allow individuals who are associated with troublesome demographics to agree to ignore forms of harassment, which would make it easier for those who do not take offense to be hired. For example, a woman could sign some sort of agreement to sexually free speech form, so the employer doesn't have to worry about what anyone might say to her, or anything she might overhear.
@Litigious Society, I'm not saying we should or should not discriminate but recognize it is a natural part of human psychology, maybe pressure groups will push for affirmative action for certain demographics but other groups will be left behind. You cannot legislate against it and get positive results, we just need to encourage the best from people.
For example instead of mandating that a certain amount of women should be in certain positions, we should just focus on encouraging women to believe in themselves to achieve their goals, but this should not be at the expense of a hard working man just based on one area (gender) that she might (possibly) be discriminated against, as a short ugly straight man would probably have a harder time becoming a CEO than an intimidatingly attractive 6ft4 lesbian women.
My point is that to focus on individual sub sections of society that need help in being elevated is naive as almost everyone faces discrimination of sorts, even attractive straight white men are facing discrimination in SJW workplaces for not fitting a diversity policy
*No serious economists think the wage gap is a myth."
Actually they all do......
*citation needed*
This is going to be infuriating.
Want to like for Cassie, hard to with Kimmel as the main speaker.
I can literally see him struggle with the cognitive dissonance of what he is saying. He just chooses to articulate what he knows will keep the money flowing. Good job, you know what side your bread is buttered and who is buttering it.
For a feminist he actually gave real answers but how does supporting families help wages? Does he mean daycare? Dropping your kid at daycare at 6 weeks is almost child abuse. Men do work harder and longer when they have a family because they are motivated to keep and improve their job and yes the focus on motherhood does break the work history but the pay off is children that are better adjusted because they were able to better attach to a primary parent.
Why are single men miserable? Most normal men's drive is to reproduce and be with a woman. The natural form of that is married and in a family. Hookup culture does not replace that and many men are failures in the hook up scene and that is a good thing. Most single women can almost find partners at will, quality may vary but its a gender role thing. A good start but people( including liberal academic economists ) cited by this guy have to view all the data and structure.
Someone stood up at a Hillary rally with the sign : Iron my shirt! and most doesnt remember that, because it wasnt really a big thing. Pretending it is just makes women and Hillary look insanely weak tbh, a leader needs to be able to deal with such minor bants.
I can't listen to this bug, all I hear is "buzz buzz buzzzzzzz"
"No serious economist says the wage gap is a myth."
Facepalm
I stopped listening when he embraced the gender wage gap BS and rampant sexual harassment in the workplace crap. He has no credibility after that.
Low wage manufacturing jobs?
My experience, especially in small towns, these tend to be the best paying jobs.
I packed mineral wool insulation as it came out of a hot coal burning furnace when I got out of high school. and It was the second best paying plant in the area. The money was good.
We did have women working in the plant, but they were generally not assigned the dangerous, heavy lifting jobs in the vicinity of the furnace, and got paid a little less for that reason.
You know I was alright to let it go with his other arguments. All of these are messy issues that probably don't have one correct interpretation. If we're honest, there are unique difficulties that women still face (and will always face) in society; the grass is never really "greener." But here's the thing. At 14:55, Cassie asks what to think about single women earning more. Kimmel responds that they not only earn more, but that they are happier. So the feminist view is that, when a woman is single and earns more money she is therefore happier. How is this not a confirmation that feminists actively stand against family values? The implication is that women should eschew marriage to earn more money and obtain greater happiness. You can't quite take his position to the extreme that feminists hate men (though you can conclude that feminists prefer money to men), but oh boy does he dance close to that line...
30% if the 'wage gap' more precisely EARNINGS gap disappears when you compare hours worked on average by men compared to hours worked by women, full time. 42 hours per week on average, versus 39 for women. DO THE SIMPLE MATH please.
10:30 does he feel the same way about people who work in sewers or die in oil platforms in the middle of the fucking ocean? right, didnt think so.
There's a thought that occurred to me not long ago regarding "are women still oppressed": Feminism goes on about how women are still oppressed in the west, despite the fact that they actually have superior legal rights. What they're really complaining about is "social" oppression, and men's attitudes towards women in general. Well, perhaps if women didn't have such a multitude of safety nets set up for them at men's expense, and had to face the same kind of risk/reward scenarios, they might earn more of that respect they crave?
And that's very true too
"I'm sorry this is all sociological and technical"
Yeah, you won't undrstand this (faulty) reasoning you young, blonde woman.
See what he did in the first three minutes? He applied a modern narrative of modern events, to historic origins. MRAs weren't a thing until the mid 90's, but he's playing fast and loose with concepts to make it sound like MRAs were always there to challenge female empowerment, by conflating it with absolutist notions of dated concepts of gender roles that no one is arguing for in any strict terms.
As someone else said, he's making it up as he goes, to meander his way toward a presupposition turned bias.
Well, close, the early parts of the MRM (modern MRM) come from the late 70s.
About the wage gap being a myth and "economists don't say that." WTF?!?! ALMOST EVERY ECONOMIST SAYS THAT. That is a flat out lie, to ckaim that economists say the wage gap is real.
Yeah, sure, feminists would be totally satisfied with anything under 50% in certain roles. Over here in Germany, we have women quotas for supervisory boards in many companies. The number we got, the number that every major party, including the conservatives, agreed upon was 30%. A party a bit further left wanted 40%. The actual left party wanted 50%. Heck, if I could probably find articles from feminists complaining about the low number of female surgeons, if I cared enough to look for that.
Wow, he threw a curveball there. I was sure he was going to say 'if we want to eliminate the wage gap... we should eliminate parenting'. That was the logical conclusion I drew from his premises. 1> Gender pay gap exists. 2> Pay gap must be eliminated. 3> Pay gap exists because of parenting children. LC> support parents?
Feminist Logic Fail #[error: calculable range exceeded]
This is just my opinion from my own experience I could be completely wrong.
I think in these regards married men are more miserable than single men. I think fathers who are in their childs lives but not married are happier than single men without kids. I see men who are single good fathers and they seem to be truly fulfilled versus a bachelor man who is well off. Both have pros and cons but that's just my opinion. I dont have any kids but I can imagine the fulfillment of bring a better person into the world.
As a man who has been in the nursing profession for 20 years I am in the minority of 10% in this field. I have experienced my fair share of sexism against me from women.
Maybe this bloke should address the feminist notion "it's impossible to be sexist against a man".
Is the sign story true? Not that it really matters, but I'm just wondering.
Also he's right that sexism is so much more permissible than racism. Just not in the direction he thinks it is (ok it is probably more permissible to be sexist to women in some ways as well)
7:00 "I'm a field of dreams theorist" There you go, he doesn't play in reality. He plays in his dreams.
I can't, I am sorry, I just can't!
I don't blame you..
what is he talking about. what professions are exactly closed for women. give me a list please
One simple remark: this gentleman's paycheck comes from exploiting feminism. No need to say anything else.
I have not experienced what happens in the upper echelons of business, but as but a blue collar worker I am fully aware what was and what is and what will be in my sphere of reality... which is limited in scope I do admit. One thing that I can attest to as a man that was born in the 1950's is that no matter what history is still throwing down our throat as to when feminism started, my mother was a feminist... that means that somewhere between the middle of 1920's feminism was a thing. Now, after so many years, why are the women still fighting for equality. Well, one could ask my now dead mom who chose as a Catholic to marry a divorced man... and then struggled for decades to have her excommunication to be abolished... all by beating the holy crap out of me and my siblings... and my mangina dad allowed it directly and indirectly.
One other point that needs to be stated, and that is that not all men only think about sex. Sure, men enjoy a sexual relationship with a women, but it never an end all to save all. Women want that of men, but when they cannot get that hook into a man, they will move on to a low lying sucker.
"Married men are much happier than unmarried men. Married women are slightly less happy than unmarried women."
Let's assume Kimmel is right; why do we suppose that this is?
The issue with a statement like this is that it's overly simplistic to the point of being misleading. More to the point, think about what it means to be "unmarried."
Personally, I would be very interested to see this broken down further based on choice. That is, how "happy" are people who are unmarried *by choice* versus those who are unmarried *not* by choice (i.e. unable to find a partner, divorced, widowed).
The broader issue I take with Kimmel's position in this video is that he implies that "inequality" signifies "discrimination," but that's not necessarily the case--which is, for example, what the "wage gap is a myth" claim is trying to convey.
i have a really hard time listening to this guy. there's just something about his guy that's like nails on a chalkboard
The nerve of this man comparing sexism with racism
He didn't make a comparison. He pointed out a double standard.
Some can argue Women in leadership have been far more damaging to society. Insane "Career paths".
Báthory, Irene of Athens, Wu Zetian, Bloody Mary, Queen Isabella I, Olga of Kiev, Elizabeth I, Czarina of Russia.
RESTROOMS: Why do women allow women to be defined by the "symbol of a person wearing a dress"?
keep up the great work Cassie
This guys was accused of sexual harassment by one of his own prodigies.
Easy fix to the wage gap #2. Credit wammin with half their husbands' earnings. They will get it in divorce anyway.
Well, at least he said EARN.
oh what a surprise: when women want more time off they don't get a raise. scandalous
Almost everything he said was complete bull crap
That profile pic is God-tier
The second he mentioned the wage gap his credibility went out the window
Every way in which he claims women are discriminated against comes from either the implication that they aren't in positions of power BECAUSE they're women and not due to sexual dymorphism and/or from arguments based on feelings. Women FEEL they have to navigate a gauntlet of sexual harassment. There's nothing to prove that its an objective fact.
I work in the trades . about 2 or 3 pm on a Friday afternoon someone may say ' way hey, I am earning my money now. ' meaning his spending money after the bills and costs are covered raising a family. That means 40 hours work for £40 spending money. He works for his family not himself. The ingratitude of women and feminists staggers me.
Michael defeated many of his own arguements during this interview and at several points used decades old examples of attitudes and events to support his opinions today. His self-deception is frustrating to watch.
Feminists reeeaaalllyyy hate that women have babies.
I like how he ignored the other cultures when establishing the hierarchy of wages.
Also the iron my shirt sign, is not because sexism is more accepted, it's that we are less sensitive to it than we are racism. Maybe because of history?
At 11:40 he says about the wage gap: "... and a bigger increase, a really big increase actually, amount younger entry level workers." At 11:48 he then says: "... 22 to 27 let's say, entering the work force the wage gap is virtually nonexistent" He then goes on to say this is true for white workers, not for black workers...
Either it is 'X' or it is not 'X', only one can be true.
Whether in big companies or little companies, there always seemed to be a pay range for any given job and you moved through that range based on your time in the position and how well you performed. That has certainly been the norm for the last 50 years. CEO pay is somewhat different as it is negotiated on a case by case basis with the company trying to pay the least possible while getting the person they want and the person trying to get the most possible while gaining the position. Usually track record is a large factor in those negotiations and often the bulk of the pay comes from a bonus rather than from salary. A bonus is typically tied to performance metrics.
Christine Lagarde - was at the time of the interview - the Managing Director of IMF, she was elected in 2011 and reelected in 2016.. She was the head of the IMF for 10 years consecutively. The new director is Kristalina Georgieva, elected in 2021. So much for getting the facts right...
Wage gap.. The usual feminist argument is that the wage gap signals dominance/power imbalance, but isn't the question really is "who spends the money.." then? Women make 80% of the consumer choices.
It's so painful to listen to this guy.. So out of touch.
So if we allocate part of the husband's wages to the wife's earned wages, then the wage gap disappears? She's freeing him to work, so doesn't she deserve credit for those wages?
my rebuttal to this. Feminists are too busy looking at the top of the pyramid to see the pile of male skulls making up the base of the pyramid
I've used this example before:
I worked in a Cabinet shop and was paid $5.00 more an hour than a woman who had been there for 2 years. (she happened to be a Lesbian but that doesn't really matter).
She complained to the boss and this is what happened:
He said Mike: go put that cabinet in your truck. So I went over, picked it up, went out the door and put it in the back of my truck.
He said to her: go put that cabinet in your truck. She asked one of the others to help her lift it and put it in the back of my truck.
He said "see, that's why he gets $5.00 more an hour than you do"
BUT BUT BUT I did what you said!
No, you did NOT. YOU needed help to do it, and you put it in the back of HIS truck. I specifically said "put it in the back of YOUR truck" BUT I DON'T OWN A TRUCK!! Exactly. She still didn't get it.
He said "he owns a truck. There is a cost associated with that. He allows ME to use that truck to deliver our products. This means I don't have to go out and buy another delivery vehicle and incur all the costs associated with that. It allows us to deliver more products to more locations which increases my ability to stay in business and earn money.
It would cost me easily $2000 a month to lease, insure, and maintain a vehicle. I get his at a bargain.
Was there some inherent bias? NO. She wasn't worth as much to him as I was.
YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!! Parenthood - and this is the sex role we have to save our brothers from; make it easier and more acceptable for men to be a stay at home parent. I never felt that I was disadvantaged because of my sex until I became pregnant.
There is a difference between wanting to do something and being willing to do something. I might want to be president, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to put all the work for it and sacrifice all my privacy. Obviously, if you clear all the things that I'm not willing to do, of course I'll take the president position. It's a no-brainer. But that doesn't make it right, because honestly, I didn't deserve that position. And if women are unwilling to do all the work to get that position, they don't want it.
As for the wage gap, he's saying there's not really a wage gap, but the priority of women after having children changes. But he doesn't want to say it, so he makes up some nonsense on the spot.
Women are at a disadvantage with pregnancy but men should not be punished for it
haha, admits that the wage gap is not gendered after all, which is exactly what those who have criticized the myth have been saying! The 77 cents on the dollar BS is based on a very poor statistical concept. Once you break down the categories and subcategories, the gap disappears and can be attributed to non-discrimatory factors. Watch the interview Cassie does with Warren Farell, where ever gives a very clear explanation of it.
His opening statement was about the Women's Liberation Movement, which Marxists denounced as "terribly bourgeois" and way too individualist for them. Feminism itself is a Marxist term and is all about equating patriarchy with capitalism.
I had to pause this video at 8:35 and replay it several times in order for me to make sure he said what he said and if he actually believes what he said.
Michael Kimmel claims that sexism is more permissible than racism by giving an example of a man holding up a sign at a Hilary campaign rally that said "iron my shirt" and then says "if a white man would have held up a sign at an Obama campaign rally that said 'shine my shoes' don't you think that every candidate, including the republicans, would have said wait a minute thats wrong stop everything."
It turns out that there were plenty of white men at both of Obama's presidential campaign rallies (2008 & 2012) that held up signs that said much worse racial things on them and even had dummy portrayals of Obama with a noose around its neck and I didn't hear any republicans denounce any of it. The only republican candidate that did say something was McCaine and that was in reference to Obama being called a muslim. So, which of the 3 is more permissible? Sexism, Racism or what ever "ism" is used to describe a prejudicial, discriminatory hatred for another's religion.
While I tried to get my adoptive mom out of my life, stop impersonating me and going into my private life, I went to the police. The female police officer told me she would charge me with assault if I didn't stop picking on my dear sweet mom. My adoptive mom....who stalks and harasses me, that cut me out of her family for the last thirty years because I refused to have sex with her. I want to charge HER with harassing me, but instead trying to get her off my back via police is harassing her and it makes female cops angry. Where are my HUMAN rights, let alone imaginary male rights, in this mess? I bet this guy can invent an excuse to blame a male and get my pedophile mom off the hook and looking like a victim. This guy knows nothing but how to spin things to make bad women look goody two shoes. How nauseating. If there was no problem with equality, she should be in jail with a restraining order on her. I have chartered rights to justice that women have not only taken away, but fight to keep me from having. So justice is women's only in my eyes. I have no rights to justice. Feminism did this and guys and girls like this stand up for this activity. Worst part is none of them are going to admit what is going on but instead label men like me whiners. Lots of women will whine worse if they were in my shoes. Even while bragging they can handle it better than me, in attempt to con me into shutting up and putting up, which they could never do.
And how about the nineteen year old female boss I had at McDonald's that was wierd sexually, and the less I had to do with her, the more she harassed me until she fired me. Workers compensation board laughed at my claim of harassment.
And I do not forget some years ago, after my ex had two babies like she demanded of me....after her divorcing me for no cause, the courts told me they could not represent both sides of a court case so they chose her and left me dry. How, how were women discriminated against when it comes to me? What about the discrimination against me? Oh right this guy feels I'm a whiner. But make sure women don't get treated like me because that would be discrimination against me. I am caring less about female needs because females in general are cruel and heartless towards men. Women get a better deal in school. No one is allowed to hit them while they can hit boys. And get favoured treatment through their years, including more free college than guys. And afterwards free business loans they do not have to pay back (I'm in Canada). Meanwhile college campuses are full of girls with a six pack in one hand, a condom and joint in the other, in a bikini, calling college guys rapists for doing it with her. None of this is rights that I have and this guy feels that this is the way things should be. And women are horribly discriminated against in North America? And I am not? He is just a spin doctor liar. Either that or he is a stork with his head in the ground. Nowadays Girl Scout are Girl Scouts but Boy Scouts has been forced to be both gender. This guy knows nothing but is jumping out of his seat eager to stand up for females and knock men. What a piece he is. There are women paid more than me but that is ignored as well by this guy. Just more false advertising from this guy, that women are not paid as much. Women are bosses above me and get paid more than me. I see it in front of my face, I am not incorrect because I am not an economist.
"Parenthood enhances men's wages." Maybe that's because men who find themselves with a family to take care of work harder and for longer hours. This guy seems to think that men are just gifted with more pay.
I love the part where he says when men have kids they get a raise.... he doesn't seem to realize that when a man has a kid he is required to "man up" and focus on his job to provide for the family working extra hours and taking more risky assignments. He just assumes it's a pity raise.
So, at the end there he states that unmarried single men have it all and can do this that and whatever and are seen as free etc. This is so not true in mine and many others' experience. As soon as a man hits 35 and they don't have a wife+kids then they're seen as a bit of a failure - someone who should be "getting on with life" and settling down. It's fair to say that women experience this pressure a bit earlier (by the age of around 30) but to act as though men don't experience this pressure at all is a fallacy.
Did I just hear that he believes in the wage gap myth? The key word is 'earn'...they earn less.
"women have to watch themselves constantly so that they don't get harassed".
Yeah, and men have to watch themselves constantly so they don't get mugged or killed, what was your point?