Well done on your on you explanation of the different ammo’s . And yes it is a legend of a pistol .. not the most pretty… not the most powerful… but when you are handing them out to all the different company’s and battalions. During the 2 ww . They did what they were expected to do, give the owner the chance to defend themselves in all conditions without failure… 😊
It's my favorite too Found a war finish with 3" barrel. good sights and shoots straight with factory loads. Not a bad ccw iwb with the shorter barrel Thanks for posting about your webley and await the matts bullets review
I would be interested in some actual ballistic tests. From what I've read, the comparable performance with the .455 cartridge came from having a different form of energy delivery on target. The 455 is a soft lead, conventionally mushrooming bullet; while the 38-200 S&W is a mariginally stable bullet that keyholes on impact. Increasing velocity makes it tumble less. Stopping power was reduces when England went to a 176 grain FMJ. Another thing i've learned recently: the British proof system used a different instrument which measeured a lower point on the pressure curve than what is common today. A simple numeric conversion of Long Tons to PSI is not accurate: apples to oranges.
I'm still planning on doing this testing; I'm just getting settled into a new job and am still working out when I can take off the time to do it. I didn't know about the proof system; that's great and I'll include that point in the video!
Gun Sam has done some very interesting ballistics testing of his version of the old "Super Police" round which is very similar but based on the 38 Special case. The original was a 200 grain LRN (.358") at about 650 fps. Dam used a 213 gr bullet initially designed for .35 Remington. Well worth looking at for comparison.
Comments as of October, 2024 Very interesting round and interesting history. Not going to rehash the history of the .38 S&W round. According to the official accounts of the British Army testing the .380/200 (the Brits prefer thee decimal places normally) provided results to equal the older .455 Webley round. Not Earth-shaking, but satisfactory. The round is rather gentle and rather friendly to the shooter. It is not brutal in recoil. Accuracy of the ammunition from the revolver seems to be adequate; while not on the level of pistols or revolvers fired in NRA 'Bullseye' competition, it is capable of connecting with a man silhouette (comparable to the IPSC target) at 25 yards or less. Further of note, the Webley revolver using the .38/200 load was standard for the British armed forces from 1922 to 1963. It was replaced by the 9mm NATO round. The replacement was caused for the same reason the U. S, replaced the M1911/M111A1, the NATO standard. Correct. The .380/200 does not have the same kinetic (muzzle) energy so loved by advertisers. The rounds do not usually penetrate a human body. It just uses all the energy (momentum) IN the target. Whatever the reasoning, it seemed to work for about 40 years.
Thank you so much for this video! I got the same model of Webley and one box of the same matts bullets ammo to confirm it fired but have been looking for alternatives at lesser cost so I can shoot it more! You’re the best for confirming my suspicion on the fiocchi stuff!!!
I have a hammerless enfield no2, 38S&W, I regularly shoot 38/200 loads the point of aim is fine shoots good groups. I use starline brass and trailboss powder for the most part, I get better velocity with blue dot but loose accuracy.
I would be interested. Perhaps a .455 as comparison? That Webley is my favorite handgun. Ammo is middling hard to find but at least it is still produced/reloaded in this era.
If I can find a .455 and ammo, I'd love to do that. If I can afford to buy one in the future, I absolutely will. I'm hoping ammo will eventually become more common, especially .455, as it's a blast to shoot and they've still got plenty of use.
I'd love to see this in action. I was given an original and mint 👌 from my late grandfather. I'm having a hard time finding the .38/200 ammo and I'd like to see how worth it is for me to continue to search. From what I found out, the cost is about $1.00/round. Nothing in stock though.
Well done on your on you explanation of the different ammo’s . And yes it is a legend of a pistol .. not the most pretty… not the most powerful… but when you are handing them out to all the different company’s and battalions. During the 2 ww . They did what they were expected to do, give the owner the chance to defend themselves in all conditions without failure… 😊
It's my favorite too
Found a war finish with 3" barrel. good sights and shoots straight with factory loads. Not a bad ccw iwb with the shorter barrel
Thanks for posting about your webley and await the matts bullets review
I would be interested in some actual ballistic tests. From what I've read, the comparable performance with the .455 cartridge came from having a different form of energy delivery on target. The 455 is a soft lead, conventionally mushrooming bullet; while the 38-200 S&W is a mariginally stable bullet that keyholes on impact. Increasing velocity makes it tumble less. Stopping power was reduces when England went to a 176 grain FMJ.
Another thing i've learned recently: the British proof system used a different instrument which measeured a lower point on the pressure curve than what is common today. A simple numeric conversion of Long Tons to PSI is not accurate: apples to oranges.
I'm still planning on doing this testing; I'm just getting settled into a new job and am still working out when I can take off the time to do it.
I didn't know about the proof system; that's great and I'll include that point in the video!
Gun Sam has done some very interesting ballistics testing of his version of the old "Super Police" round which is very similar but based on the 38 Special case.
The original was a 200 grain LRN (.358") at about 650 fps. Dam used a 213 gr bullet initially designed for .35 Remington.
Well worth looking at for comparison.
I'm absolutely going to go out and take a look at that video, thank you for the recommendation!
Comments as of October, 2024
Very interesting round and interesting history. Not going to rehash the history of the .38 S&W round.
According to the official accounts of the British Army testing the .380/200 (the Brits prefer thee decimal places normally) provided results to equal the older .455 Webley round. Not Earth-shaking, but satisfactory.
The round is rather gentle and rather friendly to the shooter. It is not brutal in recoil. Accuracy of the ammunition from the revolver seems to be adequate; while not on the level of pistols or revolvers fired in NRA 'Bullseye' competition, it is capable of connecting with a man silhouette (comparable to the IPSC target) at 25 yards or less.
Further of note, the Webley revolver using the .38/200 load was standard for the British armed forces from 1922 to 1963. It was replaced by the 9mm NATO round. The replacement was caused for the same reason the U. S, replaced the M1911/M111A1, the NATO standard.
Correct. The .380/200 does not have the same kinetic (muzzle) energy so loved by advertisers. The rounds do not usually penetrate a human body. It just uses all the energy (momentum) IN the target. Whatever the reasoning, it seemed to work for about 40 years.
Thank you so much for this video! I got the same model of Webley and one box of the same matts bullets ammo to confirm it fired but have been looking for alternatives at lesser cost so I can shoot it more! You’re the best for confirming my suspicion on the fiocchi stuff!!!
I'm glad it was helpful! I'm happy with the Fiocchi so far, and I actually haven't shot any of Matt's Bullets yet, although I'm planning on it.
One of my “bucket list “ handguns that I’ve yet to acquire. I’d like to see more about it.
The original service rounds were FMJ. I used to have a lot of it but shot it all up in my Mark IV.
I have a hammerless enfield no2, 38S&W, I regularly shoot 38/200 loads the point of aim is fine shoots good groups. I use starline brass and trailboss powder for the most part, I get better velocity with blue dot but loose accuracy.
I would be interested. Perhaps a .455 as comparison? That Webley is my favorite handgun. Ammo is middling hard to find but at least it is still produced/reloaded in this era.
If I can find a .455 and ammo, I'd love to do that. If I can afford to buy one in the future, I absolutely will. I'm hoping ammo will eventually become more common, especially .455, as it's a blast to shoot and they've still got plenty of use.
Would love to see that testing when you get the chance! Big fan of the Webleys.
I'm interested in that
I'd love to see this in action. I was given an original and mint 👌 from my late grandfather. I'm having a hard time finding the .38/200 ammo and I'd like to see how worth it is for me to continue to search. From what I found out, the cost is about $1.00/round. Nothing in stock though.
I'm still planning on getting out and making this video, when I've got the time.
Please test Matts 38/200s.
I have shot them and would like your take on them vs standard factory loads.
I'll be testing them in the upcoming weeks!
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I use 9mm bullets because they are not available in my country. Note that they are the same diameter
Is that safe for the longevity of the gun? I imagine modern 9mm is much more pressurized and will warp the gun and put it out of time over time.
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