Realnigga Turner And better than Jay-Z probably lyrically ( king los sic )... That kid is is the truth. Check his frestyles on sway in the morning trust me you'll slap your own @&& three times. But pappose need to slap him self once in the his self in the mouth for taking &#!+. His wife even said Jay-Z was her favorite rapper. Wonder what the bedroom talk with her after this interview was like..."umm bae you know you my #1:-) Now can I some d!¢£ now...LOL. MAYBE IT'S THE HAITIAN IN ME.
+Tj Williams -That's not true. Head up Jay Z has beaten the GZA, LL, and Busts Rhymes amongst others. The only people who could've got with Jay head up are Big L & X. Nas couldn't beat Jay straight up. Don't bring up Em or Black Thought, because that's another level. lol
'I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars.' Jay Z already said he sacrificed lyrical content for commerically successful content. 'Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Commonsense (but I did 5 mil) I ain't been rhyming like Common since.
@@scienz Behind all that conscious content, Common is definitely an underrated lyricist. Songs like Hungry, Resurrection, and Nag Champa are examples of Common's lyricism on full display
Jay-Z is overrated. I never understood his appeal. People think it's outrageous to say that Papoose is nicer than Jay-Z but really, a lot of rappers are, including Pap
I agree Papoose is so much better than Jay-Z, he's not lying about being better but people won't ever give him his props because Jay is more popular but no where near better...
I disagree wt Papoose bc deep down Papoose doesn't even believe that shit. This is just a shot @ trying 2 pull Jay into a wack ass beef. & unfortunately 4 Papoose he didn't understand that Jay is WAY SMARTER than that. Plus Papoose is down wt Kay Slay. & he & Jay ain't never seen eye/eye.
Pap is a modern tragedy. Dude should be every hip hopper's fave emcee. He's not even doing the fake confidence thing, he is more lyrical and better than Jay-Z. Jay has never dropped science like Pap.
Tbh and don’t drag me but ion really put jay at the top with the real emcees cause a lot of jay shit is recycled I salute him and like him more on the business side cause he inspirational on that end 💯
Papoose not better than jay z on grounds that jay z more then just a rapper he was the most skilled at the time he was just an mc now jay is a business man before a rapper so if he was still protecting the throne he’d be the king no offense to papoose but he can’t even understand half the bars jay spits cuz jay is on a different level of understanding
the fact that he threw Tupac in great lyrical category tells you this man knows exactly what he's talking about a lot of people disagree with me when I said Tupac is the greatest lyricists I've ever heard this man just told you
Hov has admitted more than once that he has foregone his extreme Lyricism in favour of hits and $$ tho. So idk why ppl are surprised. "If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be / Lyrically Talib Kweli / Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense / But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since" - Moment of Clarity "I went from the favorite / To the most hated / But would you rather be underpaid or overrated? / Moral victories is for minor league coaches / And Ye already told you we major you cockroaches / Show me where boats is / Ferrari Testsrossas" - So Appalled So he isn't trying to be the best lyricist. He's trying to be the biggest icon in rap, with a good balance of every aspect of his game to make that $$$
took the words outta my mouth. Just hasn't made anything good since black album. He spent 5+ years comparing himself to Frank Lucas, and MJ in every song. His last good verse was on food and liquor.
But what you quoted were hot lines. Even if Jay wants to be iconic, He still has a good balance of incredible bars. Even when he stated " I'm just a hustler disguised as a rapper/ in fact you can't put this hustle inside of a wrapper/rapper" was still dope. I will admit that Jay got real lazy on his last album, but he dropped some real SHIT on that WE MADE IT track. He's not corny. He's actually one of the best to do it. Now 50 use to be insane with lyrics, but not anymore. I can see Pap saying that about Fifty, but not Jay.
But then you are stating that he is purposefully lowering his lyrical ability. So if Papoose is coming at Jay with his all but Jay is holding back, is it a true fight? Jay isn't using his full ability. Also at the end of the day who is on our minds more? Jay-Z or Papoose? Jay-Z has certified classics under his belt. What does Papoose have? I think Pap is just being bitter and throwing shots.
sargon You trippin. Guess you've never heard BP3, Watch The Throne or Magna Carta. Pretending Jay hasn't made good music since his 3rd classic is just foolish.
"If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be, Lyrically Talib Kweli, Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense, (But I did 5 mill') I ain't been rhyming like Common since..." -HOV ...
"...I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla" If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be Lyrically Talib Kweli Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since When your cents got that much in common And you been hustling since your inception Fuck perception. Go with what makes sense Since I know what I'm up against We as rappers must decide what's most important And I can't help the poor if I'm one of them So I got rich and gave back, to me that's the win/win So next time you see the homey and his rims spin Just know my mind is working just like them..."- HOV
ThirdEarDrum I love this bar from Jay. It told fans that he knows hes not commercially the best lyricist, but if money was not in questiom he would be exactly what people say he should be.
This is going to sound blasphemous but Jay was always corny to me. Jay is like Drake: mad popular and everyone agrees that he is the top dog but yo, inside, Drake is a square, you cant buy cool.
It doesn't sound blasphemous because Jay-Z is a regular person. He's not on a crazy level of humanity or society to make you say such. He's no God, Demi-God, or Diety. Not a pastor, Rabbi, Prophet, Christian, Buddhist, etc. Not a Jahovah Witness or associated with any faction representing a way to be considered blasphemous to speak against his MUSIC and be worried about backlash or repercussions from Jay. He's just a rich ass nigga. THAT'S IT.
I agree with Papoose. LYRICALLY Jay Z just isnt as nice as Papoose. Yes, he comes out w constant hits. Yes, he has a lot more credentials than Pap but if you honestly take a recent verse from Jay Z, lyrically theres no depth nor substance. In my opinion i think Jay Z is just comfortable. He's in an era of his career where he can come out w anything & it'll sell simply bc his name is on it.
***** lol. But this has nothing to do w/ him taking "9 years to drop an OK album", he just said that he feels that he's better lyrically. Nothing is wrong with thinking that you are better than the next man that's in the same profession as you!!!
Enough conversation, lets puts some lyrics up on the board. I did like pap, but his flow is too stiff and some of his puchlines don't make sense. Put any of papoose bars up and i'll challenge them with some Jay bars from the BP3 and forward, just to make a point. Hell, I'll even pull from his wackest albums like the BP2, Kindom Come, and MCHG.
+locksley11agreed.. from where I see it.. pap is a lyrical god. alphabet slaughter put him in a league of his own. however pap could never make records period that goes for mixtapes and albums, let alone hit records. jay-z entire body of work is incredible no matter what anyone thinks.. but I agree with pap.. jay-z is not on the lyrical level of tupac,DMX,Nas, hell to me cole is light-years better than hov..
Papoose > Jay Z If you disagree you don't know about rap. Strictly from a lyrical standpoint Pap is miles ahead. Nobody can back up that jay z is a better lyricist than Papoose.
I dont disagree with him. Lyrically, Jay can't fuck with him. But Jay Z makes better music. Fuck all the money, jewelry, clothing company, and all other business accolades. If we talking about music, Pap doesn't make better music than Jay Z, but he's a better lyricist. By far.
you crazy Music business hate me cause the industry ain't make me Hustlers and boosters embrace me and the music I be making I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla" If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be Lyrically Talib Kweli Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since When your cents got that much in common And you been hustling since your inception Fuck perception. Go with what makes sense Since I know what I'm up against We as rappers must decide what's most important And I can't help the poor if I'm one of them So I got rich and gave back, to me that's the win/win So next time you see the homey and his rims spin Just know my mind is working just like them (rims, that is) who said this?
There’s a radio freestyle with Jay-Z and Big L! Big L murdered it and Jay couldn’t match 2 different levels as is Pap he would body Jay lyrically! Love to Jay Z many big tracks and albums but this is about being a lyricist
The Black Album is a piece of work that Papoose could NEVER fuck with. He might be a pure spitter, but he can't make songs like Jay Z. Jay has a way with words and he can spit. This nigga salty for not saying Hov isn't a lyricist. As of late he's right, but to count him out is just stupid.
Pap is niceeeeeee hands down, but when niggas start claiming their nicer than what they actually are, it makes em look wack. Example above. jay wa the wrong example, yes he is commercial but his lyrics are top tier when he goes in
no jayz lyrics are basic compared to pap . jay is more commercial and relaxed . you are not going to the dictionary trying to deciphers jayz lyrics. his shit is for basic niggas that like money cars and success. its cool but you don't learn anything from it . pap could teach jayz a thing or two about lyricism
ryanr20091 yea you did frm reasonable doubt up to the 2nd blueprint jay was way better then pap but pap is nice but it dnt matter cause EM better then both of em and PUN is too
I think its something else to what he's saying. You just don't name drop all these other MC's and leave him out and call him just "ok" for nothing. Plus they're from the same borough so its weird on many levels.
Nekko Miller and he know's who to mention to get it. There's no reason for this nigga to even be on Vlad TV without saying Jay's name. Smart Move Pap... you ain't gon get no money behind it, but still. Nigga can't even outrap his wife lol
U literally dont know the definiton of lyrical...like ur deadass serious. So I guess u think Lil Waynes How to Love is lyrical because it has a good message lol ur whats wrong with music
No disrespect to Pap, but until he has a legacy and level of relevance, song-writing skills, consistency, production value, and great albums, singles, and countless quotables like Jay does...Then what's the point of being super lyrical when you're not the superior comprehensive artist??? Jay'z got lyricism he just doesn't go all out and his focus is on being quotable...a Emcee is for Master of Ceremonies, it focuses on moving the crowd and if Jay Z can do it while rapping simply and he's still using flow, delivery, multi-syllabic rhyiming, punch-line, word play, etc, then I believe in most people's opinion I think Papoose is the one on a loosing battle...
Tyler Scott Jay z has a better marketing team and got a lot of buzz because of BIG. Papoose is clearly the more lyrical rapper, and that's all he was saying.
I know what he means, from a more obvious and conventional perspective when it comes to competitive Emcee lyrics, Pap is more lyrical...But in terms of songwriting, Jay is more lyrical and there is a big difference..Jay is more original even, Pap is way too derivative of Big L....Jay is more quotable, I just mean as a comprehensive and cohesive artist Jay is better in general..I'm not talking about marketing, I'm just talking about music...And marketing wise even Jay is where he's at cause of himself, Dame Dash, and Def Jam after they heard Reasonable Doubt, not anything to do with BIG
I think Papoose is definitely more lyrical than Jay Z. Alphabetical Slaughter can never be done again. But I do not think Papoose is the best. I think off top Eminem is better than Papoose.
It's sickening to me that Caine Able comments is actually getting likes. A blunt racist comment about me knowing nothing about rap because I am white. Guess who pretty much put LL Cool J on?? THE BEASTIE BOYS! A lot of my friends are black, I hate racism! Ignorant people bitch and complain about whites and how we are all supposedly racist, but it's okay for blacks to be racist against us. I have Spanish and black cousins and uncles. My sister is white and only dates blacks and I could care less. Man I hate racism ... So sickening! -_-
Caine Able I actually know Josh Poor's music. He has earned quite the fan base even though he's white. He's been acknowledged by some big named rappers, and he does it all independent, no money invested, no management. He's a good dude, unlike you who judged him solely on his skin color. Grow up man.
Nas only ever had 2 god albums in his whole career. NO doubt he is a legend and his rhyming ability is far superior to Jay but Jay is a more successful and more wealthy person. Nas lost me by the third album.
But you can't say Jay doesn't have skills, even if you don't like the guy. Honestly I think Illmatic is on another level to everything Jay did, but if you stack up every other Nas album against any Jay album except Life and Times Vol 1, Jay's gonna win. Let's not forget that Nas took a lot from Tragedy too. Overall, Live at the BBQ, Nas's verse tops anything he ever did since and anything Jay ever did period.
He was lyrical in the past, but Pap is a lot more consistent, especially nowadays where Jay has basically appropriated that bullshit swag rap flow that every fly by night mc jocks on Hot 97 or whatever...Jay has nothing of value to say these days, and with the way he raps it is clear he is trying to appeal to the latest, wackest trends
I like Papoose, but I don't know what "facts" he keeps referring to. "Facts" according to who? It's his opinion that he is better than JAY Z lyrically. He needs to define what "better" means though.
he means in terms of technical ability. I totally agree with him on that. There isn't a lot of rappers who can fuck with pap lyrically. Jayz just has an incredible body of work and classics for days, which is why i would put him way above papoose. But lyrically pap got it.
That's a good explanation. However, is JAY Z not on Papoose's technical level because he can't be, or because he doesn't want to be. JAY Z loves power and money, so flowing the way Papoose does isn't going to give JAY what he ultimately wants. JAY is every bit as lyrical as Pap, but at this point, JAY Z just doesn't care to be overly technical. All he wants to do is make good songs that a ton of people will like. It's a business strategy. Personally, I think Papoose is ill, but just because he can flow doesn't mean he can make great songs. I totally get what you're saying though.
J The ENTJ Jayz is lyrically gifted to. Resonbale doubt, the black album and the blueprint show how crazy his flow is. But technically i still couldn't put him ahead of pap. IMO pap would be in a catagory with guys like eminem, bigpun, canibus(in his prime).....you know, the lyrical assassin types. But i think jay is still better overall. alot better.
It’s not just about who can rap. Who can make a good song and connect with people. Who wants to listen to a bunch of words said very fast that are dope rhymes yes but don’t connect with anybody 🤷🏽♂️. Humility is key in life.
JAY Z ISNT ON HIS LEVEL YA SOME CLOWNS FOR THINKIN GAY Z HAS LYRICS YA STUPID AS THE COME JAY NEVER SAID ANYTHING THAT WAS HOT YA JUST SOME FUCKIN FOLLOWERS BASIC ASS NIGGAS JUST LIKE GAYZ RYMES JAY LYRICALLY IS TRASH YOU STUPID IF YOU THINK DIFFRENT
Maybe Jay has fallen off in recent years but you can't deny he had the longest run of putting out quality lyrical music of any rapper. Everything from Reasonable doubt to The Black album was crack, we are talking about 8 albums in a row where he was at his lyrical best, no other rapper can make that claim hell even Eminem fell off after his 4th album, it's ridiculous for Papoose to even compare himself to Jay no matter how good he thinks he is, i mean Pap is the same guy who said "stop living in denial/ the nile is a river in Egypt", you need more people Pap
lol he gives jay his props but he was asked this question in 2014. papoose knows he can say this because jayz has rapped about how he has dumb down his lyrics purposely on the black album "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars/ They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla"".. holla holla came out in 98-99 bruh. idk why people feel a way about this when all you can do it compare magna carta to nacirema dream
Trizzy Tre did I say something that wasn't true? Aint nobody listening to Papoose. That nigga career died with them Gino Green Global tees he used to wear.
Ya'll still arguing over this shit? You claim to be this great lyricist and you been around for like 15 years and still nobody wants to hear your shit.......you trash bruh lmfaooo. Why is this even up for debate?
Jay-Z has numerous verses that will smash Pap's whole catalogue. He is a one-dimensional act, and cannot entertain for shyt. I can list about 10 emcees off top that he cannot hold a candle to (excluding JAY from the list)
Jay-Z, lupe fiasco, eminem, Kanye, jadakiss, Andre 3k, Royce da 5'9, lowkey, professor green, tech nine, hopsin, I could actually keep going....even pap named some Kane, kool g rap.....
Jay Z stole bars and developed his persona based on what the trend was. He rode waves. And his lyrics are ok. He has some good stuff, but he isn’t nowhere near people put him.
Papoose is lyrically better than Jay-Z if you're talking about bars. Cuz Pap got a lotta punchlines and wordplay and what not. BUT that being said, Jay-Z makes better songs. And that's whats more important at the end of the day. i'm not even a fan the modern day jay-z, but when you look at his discography there's banger after banger. In other words, if you put a CD together of Jay-Z's greatest hits, and another CD with Papoose's greatest hits, which one would you stick with you more?... For me, Jay-Z hands down.
Theres far more meaning behind Jay's work. Papoose thinks because he can make a song from Z-A that means very little as a whole makes him lyrical- a poet without meaning is almost usleless
PSA, Meet The Parents, Breathe Easy, Marcy Son, Jigga My Nigga, almost all of reasonable doubt. Alphabetical slaughter was cool, but not to be rude it isn't that savage. Bar for bar. J has way more quotable and thought provoking lines. People like to root for the underdog, but for dang sure. You only going to run to about 3 freestyles to compete with J catalog. Let's be real here people.
thats not rite canibus did not fail hes making a ablum in 2018 and when he lost at battle rap he made a album in 2017 so to say canibus fail is so far off just cus he not on tv does not mean he failed
With all due respect Jay Z makes better songs but that nigga pap has better punch lines and bars but Papoose can't make a decent club song for his life lol that why he hasn't blown up on a bigger stage but he's an underground mixtape legend
228allday Pap doesn't wanna sell out. He's a lyricist and that's what he's gonna stay true to. He's already pretty successful and has too much pride in his craft to dumb his lyrics/flow just to be on radio rotation
Why don't these rappers just do both....come out wit da the dumbed down club records n come out with lyrical songs...that's wat I'd do...if I was pap, I'd keep barreling, come out wit lyrical freestyles but I'd throw some pop shit just to stay relevant too
Tamir Brown / ( NO disrespect) that is pretty much what he himself ( Pap' ) stated. he said on other stuff like what you stated , that Jay-Z blows him out the water, but that he blows Jay-Z out the water "lyrically" . I'm not going to give my opinion, but that's what P said.
Saying his worse than Vanilla Ice is just reaching. Jay-Z's newer stuff may not be that great, but he was a beast in his prime. Jay-Z did not always suck and he proves it on his albums like Reasonable Doubt, In My Lifetime, Vol.1, The Blueprint, half of The Blueprint 2, The Black Album, American Gangster, etc. Vanilla Ice has never made a song as good as Meet the Parents, D'Evils, Regrets, Can I Live, No Hook, Renegade, 99 Problems, and Where I'm From just to name a few. Whether you like him or not is your opinion, but you can't possibly say that Jay-Z sucks if you heard any of these songs. Papoose is nice and arguably better than Jay-Z lyrically, but he can't write a song to save his life.
Dude I have heard many of the songs you mention and am not feeling ANY of them except 99 Problems and that is due to the Rick Rubin track behind him. I remember when Jay Z was beefing with Nas and looking like the sellout tool that he is. Fuck Jay Z and everyone down with him.
Yes, Ether was a great diss, but it was mostly insults. Jay-Z hit him with facts on Takeover. While I didn't agree with some of his points and I do think Nas is better overall, you could tell he took his time with it and wanted to hit Nas where it hurt and it only took one verse. If you're not a fan, that's fine but to say someone's untalented is less subjective.
Jay Z needs to retire to some island and never be heard from again. He is a clown of the highest order and got lucky to come out at the time he did. If he was just coming out now I am sure he would mimic some wack ass crap like Drake and get just as famous.
It wasn't just luck. Sure, his music recently has been subpar to his standards and it seems like he hasn't been putting much effort, but that wasn't the case when he was in his prime. The reason he blew up was because he had the perfect balance. He was a great lyricist and a great songwriter and those two sometimes don't mesh very well.
As a big fan of Tupac, considering him one of the goats w/ major respect for his catalog and contributions to hip hop; to say that his lyrical depth is deeper then Jay Z is shade. All of the goats do something diff. for me, with pac it was his energy passion and emotion mixed with poetry. He never spit bars that I had to research, replay multiple times to comprehend or make the twisted face you do when hearing flawless lyricism. I get that with Jay (Old Jay at least). Jay and Big styles were very similar as well as Big Daddy Kane who they were both influenced by. So to put Kane n Big on the list as well as Pac and no Jay is shade to me, but everyone entitled to opinions.
Hey Rod, you bring up some good points and I do agree with much of what you said. However, I think you can expand the category of lyrical depth a bit, and include Pac's poetic influence/style. While I agree that a lot of that was related to his passion and emotion, he also used sophisticated English techniques that many poets use. Things like Alliteration are constantly being used and although the lyrics are simplistic and don't make you rewind, the delivery is carefully crafted. "Picture Perfection Pursuing Paper with a Passion...". I'm not really a big poetry or English fan but I do appreciate the artistry that he approached many of his songs with. I'm not saying other artists don't have poetic style (Papoose surely does) but their songs likely aren't as packed with it, as Pac's were. I just thought I'd contribute that food for thought, as I think 2Pac is overrated on many levels but underrated in lyricism, considering many of his songs could be read as poems. "If I die tonight" by 2Pac is a great example of what I mentioned, very simple song but full of substance. One love all, peace.
While Hov sits on his millions with his beautiful wife and 3 classic albums that he created, he'll be on his Avirex inspired Pelle Pell struggle for the next 10 years with Remy Ma as we laugh at his immeasurable number of struggle bars. Stay classy, Pap.
***** And that album was complete garbage. He really thinks he's the next big thing out of Brooklyn, and really has his head so far up his own ass to acknowledge the city and rap as a whole has moved past him. He's as terrible a rapper as Soulja Boy to me, because he's actually TRYING and still has shitty lyrics.
tochiRTA yea I agree. rap feel off in the mid-80s when lyrics where brought to the forefront. smh what was krs1, public enemy, nas, kool g rap thinking when they started using their brains? we shouldve keep the lyrics "hippity hoppity" like rappers delight. macklemore, Kendrick, drake, jcole, kanye, etc are wasting their time creating lyrics, selling records, making money, winning grammys. perhaps they should be more like Trinidad james, migos, & chief keef and have one hit then fade away. I TOTALLY agree with you but it still doesn't change the fact that pap is more lyrical than jayz currently is. lol you really think lyricism is using big words?
J Johnson lyrical is content/subject matter imo.. wordplay is overrated imo and theres plenty of mc's who dont have good flow.. content/subject matter = lyricism
tochiRTA I agree with you. everything elevated since then but we are talking straight up lyrics in 2014, pap is more lyrical than jayz. I prefer jay over papoose & I was apart of papoose cult following back in 2005 & so on. I listened to him because he had the most bars, that's what I was into at that time; I was 15. bitches used to tell me "hes nice but he just rap tooooo long" its not really a diss, jayz dumbed down purposely. he said it on the black album & Jay-Z's "500 mill, I gotta poundcake" line shits on Pap's entire life
Papoose is definitely a superior MC; however his over confidence keeps him from polishing up the areas that he needs work in. Jay-Z is the best, not because he the best lyricist, but because he knows how to translate his well balance of skills into success. Something Papoose has yet to do.
D. Vaughn Kendrick didnt have to respond ,this ain no fuckin popularity contest..who cares if hes remy's husband bro or if he doesnt have platinum sales...i give props were its due an ole boi a beast as far as lyrics go an to me he ate kendrick...i actually like his better than ortiz although they both was nice...further more kendrick accomplished what he wanted to which was to crank up all the real rhyme spitters...i do respect yo opinion though.
+Black Moustache people like you probably still haven't heard Jay's tracks with Big, they were equals together, Jay was always going to be big regardless of wholes was still around
Jay z is the double entendre king... You can hear a song twice and catch so many different meanings each time. Pap, hes more of a back pack rapper. He nasty with the freestyles But the rhyme is very basic. Nothing deep Both are good. Jay z is just great
Black Thought, Nas, Ab-Soul, Jay Electronica, Lupe Fiasco > Papoose Five rappers today who are superior to Papoose lyrically, which debunks his outrageous claims of being the best lyricist alive. I sincerely hope that in regard to him being a better lyricist than JAY Z he's talking of current, because his catalog alone cannot match up to the greatness of songs like "D'Evils", "Friend or Foe '98", "Breathe Easy (Lyrical Exercise)", et al. classic songs in Jay's discography pre-The Black Album/retirement.
People fail to realize that Jiggaman is so crafty and cunning in his lyrics, he could be hardcore without being aggressive and he's slick with it , so in 2002/2003 i won't question how did he got Beyonce .
Uproar and truth. So you mean to tell me someone who hasn't released an album in two or three years. There is a major difference between confidence and delusional. Jay Z has achieved success that far exceeds anything that you have currently achieved. He has made various business deals to expand his brand and worked with various artist from across the board and also remained relevant for two generations The only thing that I remember relevant from you is alphabetical slaughter.
Saying you're better lyrically than Jay-z is like saying I have better ball handles than Jordan . Like so .. what about every other aspect of the game lol..
MrThekidisback your fucking dreaming, jay z is alot of marketing, and some decent tracks in the early 90s. Now his shit is so corny and i dont see none of his shit as real shit i would support
adam hamb You can't relate to Jay-Z that's why. He talking about shit you know nothing about. But you don't know shit about hip-hop if you think Jay-Z isn't good.
Papoose is right, but Artist>Lyricist to me. Even Lupe gave it up to Kendrick recently in regards to that. Alot of bar heavy guys but when its time to craft those "records" they lost
Smh...I wouldn't even disagree that Jay Z isn't the best lyrically, but Papoose gotta be on that blue magic to believe that HE is! He must be trying to spark some major attention with this angle. I'm not knocking anyone for being confident in the artwork they produce, but be realistic at the same time or u will lose credibility. People gone think ur off ur meds, son...he must be missing his rib Remy so much that it's got him talking all crazy. Bless his heart
Tupac??? Tupac was mediocre lyrically. His style was just very witty. When you say "lyrical" the first thing that comes to mind is bars/metaphors. So in a sense the Jayz's and Bigges were lyrically better. But they weren't better on a grand scale...considering influence. To me adding Pac was irrelevant...
Really Pap? How can you say Jay-Z isn't that lyrical, but in the same breathe list 2Pac? Pac had passion, and is one of the greatest, but is definitely not a top lyricist. [Uncle Murder voice] - FACTS!!!
Now it all makes sense.. just watched the clip below, where Remy said Jay is her favorite rapper. www.vladtv.com/article/218512/fat-joe-remy-ma-werent-allowed-to-hear-jay-zs-all-the-way-up-verse
Qayyim Kabar You're a moron.. Pac was a lyrical monster.. he crushed BIG.. and Nas.. the only one to respond was Big.. and he still got crushed.. 2pac, had lyrical word play, passion, and poetic Truth.. no rappers had that.. because Pac was smarter than the rest..
Papoose is one of the corniest, most arrogant, most irrelevant rappers out there he's like a neighborhood basketball player that swears to people he could have made it in the NBA.
you can't talk about Pap, in the same sentence as irrelevant all you white boys use the same word to keep Pap out the game fuck that what you doing for the game? Exactly let's see your bars fuck up all you got is corny metaphor's talking about NBA lmfao ya boyfriend flexin in yo profile pic homie don't talk slick Slim thug.
Gabriel Melero There was a time when Pap mattered. Then he decided to take 6 or 7 years to make his debut. What bars have I got? Does it matter? First hand experience is not a prerequisite for criticism. Objectivity is often helpful in forming an unbiased opinion. But him saying he's better than Jay? Not even a comparison. Jay destroys Pap. I made a comparison as well, not a metaphor.
Gabriel Melero Yeah, I didn't say he shouldn't have done that, but don't come back claiming you're the best when you've put nothing of quality out for over half a decade. Plus the album hw's been working on "for his entire life" (he said that about Nacirema Dream) was a "mehh" project. Nas's Mom's died and he put out God's Son AND The Lost Tapes in that year.
I might be the greatest house builder in the world but what fucking good is that if i dont have any tools or supplies. In other words, being a great lyricist don't mean shit unless you have what it takes to make a hot track.
WeekzGod I didnt say anything about "hit crossover singles". I said a hot track. Integrity has nothing to do with it. Those are lame excuses for why this guy can't make a song that anyone wants to hear.
WeekzGod I'm not really talking just radio play. I mean just good enough songs to create a decent fan base. I'm no expert on Pap's career but it seems like he's more irrelevant than most. I'm saying he keeps focusing on bragging about how lyrical he is instead of choosing better beats, making better connections with good producers and things like that. He acts like being lyrical should be good enough but it's not. He should build bridges instead of burning them.
popetaytv Yeah they just don't get it. They act like you can't be lyrical AND have a good beat and a catchy hook. The last two are actually more important than the lyrics. But if you focus on all 3 things then you can make truly great songs. That's why guys like Jay Z and Eminem are so successful.
WeekzGod Yeah i think the dude has talent. Although i don't think he's as nice as he thinks, but that's just one man's opinion. I'm not even a big fan of Jay Z but i know shitting on him isnt going to do your career any good if you're not already relevant. I'm not saying he has to kiss ass but just show some respect, humble yourself a bit, pick better beats, try to collab with other artists, etc. He should know by now that he's doing something wrong.
Jay most overrated ever. Kane, Rakim, Pun, Nas, Eminem, Guru, 2Pac, Scarface, Big L, Ludacris, AZ, DMX, Sticky, Slick Rick, Chino are all better than Jay-Z and Papoose.
i was with you chicken until you said luda lol....jayz smashes luda but i agree with all of the others...ludas very wack to me and dmx probably aint a better mc then jayz either...dmx has made alotta bad tracks and albums
Dirklewinsky1 Luda has crazy voice control and has very nice flows. Also he can be original with the rhymes and lines. DMX is without a doubt 10x the mc Jay will ever be. How old were you when "It's Dark and Hell is Hot" came out?
Well to be fair, Kanye reps Chicago, and he has 21 Grammys, which is by far the most of any rapper, and he is one of the biggest international music stars in the world. Eminem reps Detroit, and he is the highest selling rap artist of the last 10 years. Drake is on top right now and he's from Toronto, Canada, which sounds crazy to even say! You don't have to be from NY to dominate. There are plenty of other rappers from NY that don't come close to JAY Z's level. When it comes down to it, JAY knows how to make songs that people want to hear. He has been very consistent at dropping dope music since he started in '96.
You don't pay attention very well. I mentioned all those other dudes to show that you don't have to be from NY to have a big following and a lot of success and record sales. Papoose is from NY, so why isn't he as successful as JAY Z? A million other cats are from NY, so why aren't they tearing the charts up? Face it; JAY Z just knows what he's doing. PERIOD!
Kanye is hot because Jay gave him his pass. Thats why we started to listen to him. Jay made kanye successful. Eminem as well. He is successful because of Dre. The list goes on. These guys from the with great careers that you named, have had the easy way into the game. No hustling and grinding. If dre had a mouse that lived in his basement and he said he had skills, then we would buy the mouse album. lol
I hear what you trying to say homie, but check this out. Memphis Bleek was under JAY Z and he didn't do anything impressive, and JAY really wanted him to do well. Kanye is just a beast. The first time I heard Kanye, I had no idea that he was associated with Roc-a-Fella. Ye made JAY Z pay attention to him because his material was too hot. Dr. Dre just has an ear for talent. He knows if an artist has what it takes to be successful. That's why Dre doesn't work with a lot of artists. He waits until he finds someone who will make a big impact. For example; Kendrick is a hot lyricist, who just happens to be from Compton, CA. Dre recognized a golden opportunity to work with a monster artist from his hometown. Bottom line is this; if you're not hot enough on your own, it won't matter who you're affiliated with. Music fans will eventually figure out that you're wack.
Papoose better than jay-z???? How!?? They do music and jay z has some of the best lyrics ever. Wtf??? People hatin on jay money.lol I respect pap confidence but damn. Y'all tripping. Ever heard reasonable doubt??? Streets is watchin?? He rapped a movie!!!!! Y'all niggaz crazy blueprint 1. Blueprint 3 black album?? American gangster.another movie he rapped. Come on man. Is pap better than kiss?? Fuck no. Styles?? Fuck no. Even on jay mixtape the black album listen to it. Being a mc is making good music. Wether it's party, storytelling, gangster,love songs. Etc. how does pap even compare. Jay the greatest alive y'all know DNA slogan? Gtfoh
"Every rapper has to feel like their the best, or else what's the point of doing it?" LMFAO, HELL YEA! It's all in your head Papoose! Jay's delivery is beyond your understanding Pappoose.
True, but he is still better than jay-z lyrically. The song "lifestyle" is a hit. I don't agree that he's better than EVERYONE lyrically, but he has jay-z beaten.
Chris Smith what good hook has jay z made tbh most of his best tracks he does not make the hook......papoose refused to be a media puppet thats the difference bar for bar pap is one of the best alive and thats a fact
Papoose is a better rapper than Jay Z, basically Pap is Big L 2.0. Unfortunately people like wack shit these days so the lyricists and real raw rappers dont get the recognition they deserve. Fuck the industry though, I stay underground and fuck the radio too!
Mrpaulojorge97 You are only putting BIg L on a pedastal becuase he died. Papoose has made some fire over the years and he was around when Big L was still around. Papoose probably the most underrated, unappreciated, UNRESPECTED rapper today. Why is it that an artsist needs to die to get respect from you people? Yes, Big L is better than Pap. But Big L is long gone, and lyrically Papoose is pretty much on L's level. Pap has songs like Motion Picture, which are in the likeness of The heist by Big L.
Greatest of all time is what Jay Z is. Nobody will take that away from him no matter how much y'all hate. Listen to all his albums. Nobody has done it better
Biggie eminem nas pun definitely big l jadakiss Cassidy kool g rap their are plenty who have done better listen to big l and jay z freestyle he clearly got killed same as on renegade hov a legend but he ain't no 1 of all time
@@user-tm8vx8qs7p reasonable doubt is lyrically his best album but the songs as a whole weren't that amazing besides a few tracks. I don't consider it a classic either.
Anybody on here saying or thinkingg Papoose is better than Jay-Z lyrically is SLEEP! Set all his business success aside and Papoose still can't fuck with him. He actually sounds a little bitter. I don't know why. But for real he better go review Jay-Z catalog. LYRICALLY UNMATCHED. This dude is high!
Ok, I agree with Jay having a great catalog, but I won't go as far as to say lyrically unmatched. His earlier material is the stuff of legend but his latest music is average at best form a lyrical standpoint. Jay-Z doesn't really care about rapping to be the best anymore. Every move he makes is a calculated business move that sets him up to make another move which is brilliant considering that he doesn't have a formal education, but on the point of lyricism he just doesn't seem to care anymore
vinylvids2011 Jay-Z lastest bars "I'm like Michael recycled/these r not 16s these are verses from the bible/tell dat preacher he's a preacher im a mahfuckin profit/Smoke tree of knowledge drink from a gold chalice/ uuh u gotta love it I arrived at the pearly gates I had luggage/ meaning I had baggage niggahz askin me questions I dnt answer to deez bustahz/ Only god can judge us mahfuckahz..!! Ain't nobody fuckin wit hov lyrically unmatched like homie said
Jay is really a lyrical nigga... his ability to balance the sequence of words sound to contrive a bar is crazy... if you really listen to Jay his wordplay is crazy
as we've all learned from history, being a great lyricist is cool and will earn you a small following, but that's about it.. so if that's what you want, then so be it.. but jay is a business man trying to become a billionaire.. and in order to do that, being a lyricist isn't the route to take. gotta be able to make hit records if you wanna make big dough.. or be able to do both
Jay is the best lyricist this world has ever seen. that is why his music touches everyone. his message in his music is always relatable and clever. these pap guys just rhyme.
HE SAID "lyrically" he's better than Jay. Y'all talking about albums and shit.
speak on it. bar to bar pap kill any rapper
Without even trying....bar for bar Pap is the king.
King Los will give pap a run for his money ...
when you talking lyrically no one ever says papoose
Realnigga Turner And better than Jay-Z probably lyrically ( king los sic )... That kid is is the truth. Check his frestyles on sway in the morning trust me you'll slap your own @&& three times. But pappose need to slap him self once in the his self in the mouth for taking &#!+. His wife even said Jay-Z was her favorite rapper. Wonder what the bedroom talk with her after this interview was like..."umm bae you know you my #1:-) Now can I some d!¢£ now...LOL. MAYBE IT'S THE HAITIAN IN ME.
Pap is so underrated because dumb people dont understand the crazy lyrics he be spittin
lmao foh that nigga doodoo
Facts..they dont understand hip-hop
Jovan Duckworth Papoose the wackest NY rapper since Designer.
Yall saying pap wack yall smoking dicks tbh
@@toastybeansx23 not wack but come on he nowhere near hov in any category
lyrically pap will eat jay alive! just because jay got hits,and alot of money don't make him a lyrical god!
you the only one dat wrote the truth right here
Kenyatta Brunn right
I think people sleep on what Jay can do in a battle.
king esseen he can't freestyle for shit compared to pap. damn Jay z can't rap like niggas like Styles P ,X ,Pap
+Tj Williams -That's not true. Head up Jay Z has beaten the GZA, LL, and Busts Rhymes amongst others. The only people who could've got with Jay head up are Big L & X. Nas couldn't beat Jay straight up. Don't bring up Em or Black Thought, because that's another level. lol
'I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars.'
Jay Z already said he sacrificed lyrical content for commerically successful content.
'Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Commonsense (but I did 5 mil) I ain't been rhyming like Common since.
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Common is conscious tho, not super lyrical. Papoose is conscious, street, AND lyrical.
@@scienz accurate love both tho
@@scienz facts
@@scienz Behind all that conscious content, Common is definitely an underrated lyricist. Songs like Hungry, Resurrection, and Nag Champa are examples of Common's lyricism on full display
Jay-Z is overrated. I never understood his appeal. People think it's outrageous to say that Papoose is nicer than Jay-Z but really, a lot of rappers are, including Pap
+Mimi Bunny in other words he's a sellout
he's according to you better cuz he's a mainstream
I understand you said sodeways he's a sellout
If he was so much better than Jay where he is in his carwee clearly doesn't support that statement.
Just a ploy 2 pull Jay into a weak ass beef. That's ALL this was.
+truestdude Career
I agree Papoose is so much better than Jay-Z, he's not lying about being better but people won't ever give him his props because Jay is more popular but no where near better...
I disagree wt Papoose bc deep down Papoose doesn't even believe that shit. This is just a shot @ trying 2 pull Jay into a wack ass beef. & unfortunately 4 Papoose he didn't understand that Jay is WAY SMARTER than that. Plus Papoose is down wt Kay Slay. & he & Jay ain't never seen eye/eye.
truestdude I Respect Your Opinion
+Dro Briggz Tru dat. Hold it down
Jay just make better songs but pap got him on the bars
@Dell. My thoughts exactly!!!!
Pap is a modern tragedy. Dude should be every hip hopper's fave emcee. He's not even doing the fake confidence thing, he is more lyrical and better than Jay-Z. Jay has never dropped science like Pap.
Not even
I like Jay better but yeah on a science level nah.
Tbh and don’t drag me but ion really put jay at the top with the real emcees cause a lot of jay shit is recycled I salute him and like him more on the business side cause he inspirational on that end 💯
Never say never lol but yeah pap better
Papoose not better than jay z on grounds that jay z more then just a rapper he was the most skilled at the time he was just an mc now jay is a business man before a rapper so if he was still protecting the throne he’d be the king no offense to papoose but he can’t even understand half the bars jay spits cuz jay is on a different level of understanding
the fact that he threw Tupac in great lyrical category tells you this man knows exactly what he's talking about a lot of people disagree with me when I said Tupac is the greatest lyricists I've ever heard this man just told you
Facts
@@williehudson4013 you're totally wrong Tupac was crazy lyrically and to say he didn't have punchlines and metaphors get out of here man
@@williehudson4013 listen to Hail Mary very closely then come back and talk to me that's just one song
PAC is overrated af u clearly need to listen to better rappers
@@ATREU850 how's he overrated explained because he don't sound like Drake?
JAY-Z HAS COPIED EVERYBODY WHY DOES EVERYONE RIDE HIM LIKE HE'S GREAT ?
***** ?
Jay-z has too many classics not to be great
philly nation So you won't speak on him copying every rapper ?
***** he does bite alot. But its not like he doesnt have his own original material. His body of work along with his consistency is very impressive
He does. He's slick at biting flows. Now a days it's damn near cool to do it. Most hip hop and harmonish hip hop of mainstream uses the Migos flow
Hov has admitted more than once that he has foregone his extreme
Lyricism in favour of hits and $$ tho. So idk why ppl are surprised.
"If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be / Lyrically Talib Kweli / Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense / But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since" - Moment of Clarity
"I went from the favorite / To the most hated / But would you rather be underpaid or overrated? / Moral victories is for minor league coaches / And Ye already told you we major you cockroaches / Show me where boats is / Ferrari Testsrossas" - So Appalled
So he isn't trying to be the best lyricist. He's trying to be the biggest icon in rap, with a good balance of every aspect of his game to make that $$$
took the words outta my mouth. Just hasn't made anything good since black album. He spent 5+ years comparing himself to Frank Lucas, and MJ in every song. His last good verse was on food and liquor.
Well said
But what you quoted were hot lines. Even if Jay wants to be iconic, He still has a good balance of incredible bars. Even when he stated " I'm just a hustler disguised as a rapper/ in fact you can't put this hustle inside of a wrapper/rapper" was still dope. I will admit that Jay got real lazy on his last album, but he dropped some real SHIT on that WE MADE IT track. He's not corny. He's actually one of the best to do it. Now 50 use to be insane with lyrics, but not anymore. I can see Pap saying that about Fifty, but not Jay.
But then you are stating that he is purposefully lowering his lyrical ability. So if Papoose is coming at Jay with his all but Jay is holding back, is it a true fight? Jay isn't using his full ability. Also at the end of the day who is on our minds more? Jay-Z or Papoose? Jay-Z has certified classics under his belt. What does Papoose have? I think Pap is just being bitter and throwing shots.
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You trippin. Guess you've never heard BP3, Watch The Throne or Magna Carta. Pretending Jay hasn't made good music since his 3rd classic is just foolish.
"If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be,
Lyrically Talib Kweli,
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense,
(But I did 5 mill') I ain't been rhyming like Common since..." -HOV ...
"...I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars
They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla"
If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be
Lyrically Talib Kweli
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since
When your cents got that much in common
And you been hustling since your inception
Fuck perception. Go with what makes sense
Since I know what I'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most important
And I can't help the poor if I'm one of them
So I got rich and gave back, to me that's the win/win
So next time you see the homey and his rims spin
Just know my mind is working just like them..."- HOV
Jr Koka and that's why Jay Z is in my top 5, to bad a lot of people downplay hov in today's age.
ThirdEarDrum 🎤dropped. ...end of discussion
ThirdEarDrum I love this bar from Jay. It told fans that he knows hes not commercially the best lyricist, but if money was not in questiom he would be exactly what people say he should be.
emanu'El mosche Yep, all fax
Jay-Z is not even Better Than DMX!! He literally ran away from DMX. I can definitely agreee with Pap.
Q'Dareus Lomas i still bump to that song they made together Money, Cash, Hoes, 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Lmfao nigga said DMX! 😂😂😂😂
You high boi?
Fck outta here bruh.. Jay's lyrical intellect will mop the floor with X..
No disrespect to X
Jay is a million times better than X so you're bugging! He's better than Pap too so cut the shit lmfaoo
I agree with papoose he talking real shit jay aint on his level lyrically
Jay very far from it
You smoking dust young savage jay in the 90’s and early 2000’s would eat him up
@@ashleyhaynes5323 😹😹 Yeah right!
@@ashleyhaynes5323 pap would destroy Jay n during that time Jay was second in line to DMX
Y'all saying jayz is more lyrical....hell noooo he's not....he just know how to make songs
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This is going to sound blasphemous but Jay was always corny to me. Jay is like Drake: mad popular and everyone agrees that he is the top dog but yo, inside, Drake is a square, you cant buy cool.
word
drake is a square, but u can't deny that dude has got lyrics.
Michael Thomas (sigh) You are right, my man do be spitting them bars.
+Michael Thomas lmao Quentin Miller does have bars lol
It doesn't sound blasphemous because Jay-Z is a regular person. He's not on a crazy level of humanity or society to make you say such. He's no God, Demi-God, or Diety. Not a pastor, Rabbi, Prophet, Christian, Buddhist, etc. Not a Jahovah Witness or associated with any faction representing a way to be considered blasphemous to speak against his MUSIC and be worried about backlash or repercussions from Jay. He's just a rich ass nigga. THAT'S IT.
Pap would eat Jay up any day any time
Gay
King Ali word!
of course lyrically
of course
you can never say a person is hater for having an opinion, i respect his opinion show and prove
What are you saying? Hip-Hoppers do this all the time :P
I agree with Papoose. LYRICALLY Jay Z just isnt as nice as Papoose. Yes, he comes out w constant hits. Yes, he has a lot more credentials than Pap but if you honestly take a recent verse from Jay Z, lyrically theres no depth nor substance. In my opinion i think Jay Z is just comfortable. He's in an era of his career where he can come out w anything & it'll sell simply bc his name is on it.
***** lol. But this has nothing to do w/ him taking "9 years to drop an OK album", he just said that he feels that he's better lyrically. Nothing is wrong with thinking that you are better than the next man that's in the same profession as you!!!
Enough conversation, lets puts some lyrics up on the board. I did like pap, but his flow is too stiff and some of his puchlines don't make sense. Put any of papoose bars up and i'll challenge them with some Jay bars from the BP3 and forward, just to make a point. Hell, I'll even pull from his wackest albums like the BP2, Kindom Come, and MCHG.
Girl wat is wrong wit yo fucking mind are u slow
Az is the coldest Brooklyn cat to ever grasp a mic! That's my Word!
I agree
+VERONICA Davis Word!
One word describes AZ....Effortless.
AZ the most underappreciated MC of all time for sure but GZA is best Brooklyn MC PERIOD.
G Slimm AZ is very underrated.
All day long I personally think pap has better raps than j z, without a doubt he’s better 💯
Lyrically pap is better as far as make hit records jay-z is better.
+locksley11agreed.. from where I see it.. pap is a lyrical god. alphabet slaughter put him in a league of his own. however pap could never make records period that goes for mixtapes and albums, let alone hit records. jay-z entire body of work is incredible no matter what anyone thinks.. but I agree with pap.. jay-z is not on the lyrical level of tupac,DMX,Nas, hell to me cole is light-years better than hov..
Papoose > Jay Z If you disagree you don't know about rap. Strictly from a lyrical standpoint Pap is miles ahead. Nobody can back up that jay z is a better lyricist than Papoose.
I can understand if people like Jay Z's songs more, but Papoose is definitely better lyrically.
Reasonable Doubt Jay Z has a chance to compete with Papoose
But Papoose' punchlines and wordplay has greater consistency
Jay-Z in his prim was sicker
Mike DeSimone Truth
Papoose doesn't even have a classic Album or song
I dont disagree with him. Lyrically, Jay can't fuck with him. But Jay Z makes better music. Fuck all the money, jewelry, clothing company, and all other business accolades. If we talking about music, Pap doesn't make better music than Jay Z, but he's a better lyricist. By far.
Couldn't have put it any better bro
Rick Flair Thanks Champ! Woooooooooo!
Very well put and I agree
This can be due to their producers
you crazy
Music business hate me cause the industry ain't make me
Hustlers and boosters embrace me and the music I be making
I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars
They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla"
If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be
Lyrically Talib Kweli
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since
When your cents got that much in common
And you been hustling since your inception
Fuck perception. Go with what makes sense
Since I know what I'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most important
And I can't help the poor if I'm one of them
So I got rich and gave back, to me that's the win/win
So next time you see the homey and his rims spin
Just know my mind is working just like them
(rims, that is)
who said this?
I agree with pap, but put nas and big pun in that lyrical level too
And Big L, Vinnie Paz! Big L and Pap on a track would be next level!!
There’s a radio freestyle with Jay-Z and Big L! Big L murdered it and Jay couldn’t match 2 different levels as is Pap he would body Jay lyrically! Love to Jay Z many big tracks and albums but this is about being a lyricist
@JayoJay nah Jay z is nicer than 2pac
@@ChappaTheMicologist ra rugged man and mac Miller were better than Vinnie. But big L the greatest of all time
@@tyresefisher3921 yeah yoi must be sniffing dumby dust
The Black Album is a piece of work that Papoose could NEVER fuck with. He might be a pure spitter, but he can't make songs like Jay Z. Jay has a way with words and he can spit. This nigga salty for not saying Hov isn't a lyricist. As of late he's right, but to count him out is just stupid.
I totally agree
There's a difference between a MC and a Rapper, Papoose is an MC and Jay Z is Rapper (formally a MC).
Pap is niceeeeeee hands down, but when niggas start claiming their nicer than what they actually are, it makes em look wack. Example above. jay wa the wrong example, yes he is commercial but his lyrics are top tier when he goes in
no jayz lyrics are basic compared to pap . jay is more commercial and relaxed . you are not going to the dictionary trying to deciphers jayz lyrics. his shit is for basic niggas that like money cars and success. its cool but you don't learn anything from it . pap could teach jayz a thing or two about lyricism
ryanr20091 yea you did frm reasonable doubt up to the 2nd blueprint jay was way better then pap but pap is nice but it dnt matter cause EM better then both of em and PUN is too
I think its something else to what he's saying. You just don't name drop all these other MC's and leave him out and call him just "ok" for nothing. Plus they're from the same borough so its weird on many levels.
Ross Boss yea dat nigga hatin he always throwin salt on somebody frfr he prolly doin this for attention
Nekko Miller and he know's who to mention to get it. There's no reason for this nigga to even be on Vlad TV without saying Jay's name. Smart Move Pap... you ain't gon get no money behind it, but still. Nigga can't even outrap his wife lol
Yes, he said nas, shouts out to papoose
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I agree with him Jay only talks about money his girl etc same thing every time
And what does content have to do with lyrical ability?
Deadass serious.Lyrical ability is ability to rhyme. Content is subject u rhyme about. Learn something lame
U literally dont know the definiton of lyrical...like ur deadass serious. So I guess u think Lil Waynes How to Love is lyrical because it has a good message lol ur whats wrong with music
*****
Its relevant to the discussion and called an example. Adios back to rock music for you
*****
*than. And doubt it white boy. U listen to it barely. I live it. U prob cant even tell me the 4 elements of hip hop without looking it uo.
No direct disrespect to Jigga but until Jay Z drops a song like Alphabetical slaughter...THEN we can talk -_-
he probably got that idea from v for vendetta lol
LMFAO What a joke?
No disrespect to Pap, but until he has a legacy and level of relevance, song-writing skills, consistency, production value, and great albums, singles, and countless quotables like Jay does...Then what's the point of being super lyrical when you're not the superior comprehensive artist??? Jay'z got lyricism he just doesn't go all out and his focus is on being quotable...a Emcee is for Master of Ceremonies, it focuses on moving the crowd and if Jay Z can do it while rapping simply and he's still using flow, delivery, multi-syllabic rhyiming, punch-line, word play, etc, then I believe in most people's opinion I think Papoose is the one on a loosing battle...
Tyler Scott Jay z has a better marketing team and got a lot of buzz because of BIG. Papoose is clearly the more lyrical rapper, and that's all he was saying.
I know what he means, from a more obvious and conventional perspective when it comes to competitive Emcee lyrics, Pap is more lyrical...But in terms of songwriting, Jay is more lyrical and there is a big difference..Jay is more original even, Pap is way too derivative of Big L....Jay is more quotable, I just mean as a comprehensive and cohesive artist Jay is better in general..I'm not talking about marketing, I'm just talking about music...And marketing wise even Jay is where he's at cause of himself, Dame Dash, and Def Jam after they heard Reasonable Doubt, not anything to do with BIG
I think Papoose is definitely more lyrical than Jay Z. Alphabetical Slaughter can never be done again. But I do not think Papoose is the best. I think off top Eminem is better than Papoose.
What a piece of shit comment. Look up my song "1 in a million" and tell me I can't rap. I'm sure you will say it anyway but it would just be bullshit.
Name someone who did Alphabetical slaughter front and back, using as many words from each letter of the alphabet .. Don't worry. I'll wait.
It's sickening to me that Caine Able comments is actually getting likes. A blunt racist comment about me knowing nothing about rap because I am white. Guess who pretty much put LL Cool J on?? THE BEASTIE BOYS! A lot of my friends are black, I hate racism! Ignorant people bitch and complain about whites and how we are all supposedly racist, but it's okay for blacks to be racist against us. I have Spanish and black cousins and uncles. My sister is white and only dates blacks and I could care less. Man I hate racism ... So sickening! -_-
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I actually know Josh Poor's music. He has earned quite the fan base even though he's white. He's been acknowledged by some big named rappers, and he does it all independent, no money invested, no management. He's a good dude, unlike you who judged him solely on his skin color. Grow up man.
Josh Poor you are 100% right my brother, and I'm black.
Papoose the most lyrical rapper ever from Brooklyn..yall must never listened to his early 2000s mixtapes .dude different ❤❤❤
Papoose is a fuckin legend, so is Jay. Big L's influence is strong on Papoose just like Biggie's is strong on Jay.
+John Smith What about Big L's influence on Jay?
I don't hear it.
Nas only ever had 2 god albums in his whole career. NO doubt he is a legend and his rhyming ability is far superior to Jay but Jay is a more successful and more wealthy person. Nas lost me by the third album.
But you can't say Jay doesn't have skills, even if you don't like the guy. Honestly I think Illmatic is on another level to everything Jay did, but if you stack up every other Nas album against any Jay album except Life and Times Vol 1, Jay's gonna win. Let's not forget that Nas took a lot from Tragedy too. Overall, Live at the BBQ, Nas's verse tops anything he ever did since and anything Jay ever did period.
I agree. Just wish he never put out Oochie Wally lol
All you dudes saying Jay is not lyrical smh, Alot of Jay's bars are going over your heads (including Papoose). Lyricism is not all punchlines.
Pat Kenny His lyrics went over your head.....
He was lyrical in the past, but Pap is a lot more consistent, especially nowadays where Jay has basically appropriated that bullshit swag rap flow that every fly by night mc jocks on Hot 97 or whatever...Jay has nothing of value to say these days, and with the way he raps it is clear he is trying to appeal to the latest, wackest trends
Pap is more consistent in being trash lol
I like Papoose, but I don't know what "facts" he keeps referring to. "Facts" according to who? It's his opinion that he is better than JAY Z lyrically. He needs to define what "better" means though.
very true
he means in terms of technical ability. I totally agree with him on that. There isn't a lot of rappers who can fuck with pap lyrically. Jayz just has an incredible body of work and classics for days, which is why i would put him way above papoose. But lyrically pap got it.
That's a good explanation. However, is JAY Z not on Papoose's technical level because he can't be, or because he doesn't want to be. JAY Z loves power and money, so flowing the way Papoose does isn't going to give JAY what he ultimately wants. JAY is every bit as lyrical as Pap, but at this point, JAY Z just doesn't care to be overly technical. All he wants to do is make good songs that a ton of people will like. It's a business strategy.
Personally, I think Papoose is ill, but just because he can flow doesn't mean he can make great songs. I totally get what you're saying though.
J The ENTJ Jayz is lyrically gifted to. Resonbale doubt, the black album and the blueprint show how crazy his flow is. But technically i still couldn't put him ahead of pap. IMO pap would be in a catagory with guys like eminem, bigpun, canibus(in his prime).....you know, the lyrical assassin types. But i think jay is still better overall. alot better.
philly nation Jay-z shit
It’s not just about who can rap. Who can make a good song and connect with people. Who wants to listen to a bunch of words said very fast that are dope rhymes yes but don’t connect with anybody 🤷🏽♂️. Humility is key in life.
I tire ooooo 😂😂😂
He doesn't give a fuck about what u want to listen to he does it for the LOVE. youngins wouldn't get it
@@hottakes6078 Rapping fast is overrated
You sound fuckin stupid, pay attention to what he’s saying
@@kamfisher1714 I been saying dat 💯
i just lost all respect for him after hearing this mess!!
JAY Z ISNT ON HIS LEVEL YA SOME CLOWNS FOR THINKIN GAY Z HAS LYRICS YA STUPID AS THE COME JAY NEVER SAID ANYTHING THAT WAS HOT YA JUST SOME FUCKIN FOLLOWERS BASIC ASS NIGGAS JUST LIKE GAYZ RYMES JAY LYRICALLY IS TRASH YOU STUPID IF YOU THINK DIFFRENT
Maybe Jay has fallen off in recent years but you can't deny he had the longest run of putting out quality lyrical music of any rapper. Everything from Reasonable doubt to The Black album was crack, we are talking about 8 albums in a row where he was at his lyrical best, no other rapper can make that claim hell even Eminem fell off after his 4th album, it's ridiculous for Papoose to even compare himself to Jay no matter how good he thinks he is, i mean Pap is the same guy who said "stop living in denial/ the nile is a river in Egypt", you need more people Pap
lol he gives jay his props but he was asked this question in 2014. papoose knows he can say this because jayz has rapped about how he has dumb down his lyrics purposely on the black album "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars/ They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla"".. holla holla came out in 98-99 bruh. idk why people feel a way about this when all you can do it compare magna carta to nacirema dream
Facts, your career isn't on Riff Raffs level.
shut your dum ass up and never speak on rap again..Thanks
Trizzy Tre did I say something that wasn't true? Aint nobody listening to Papoose. That nigga career died with them Gino Green Global tees he used to wear.
kingvenomousg Pap isnt at home trying to be broke for the love. Get the fuck out of here with that shit,
Ya'll still arguing over this shit? You claim to be this great lyricist and you been around for like 15 years and still nobody wants to hear your shit.......you trash bruh lmfaooo. Why is this even up for debate?
Fuck a riff raff, he a gimmick.
Papoose is so underrated , dude is one the most lyrical rappers on the planet and nobody seems to include him with the GREATS ...
Jay-Z has numerous verses that will smash Pap's whole catalogue. He is a one-dimensional act, and cannot entertain for shyt. I can list about 10 emcees off top that he cannot hold a candle to (excluding JAY from the list)
Jay-Z, lupe fiasco, eminem, Kanye, jadakiss, Andre 3k, Royce da 5'9, lowkey, professor green, tech nine, hopsin, I could actually keep going....even pap named some Kane, kool g rap.....
Apathy, chamillionaire, wale, q-tip, j.cole, Cassidy, fabulous, Jarren Benton, big pun the list goes on and on....
Any song from the album Reasonable Doubt
@@BronzDano lol at listing apathy c'mon man 😆 🤣 😂
Jay Z stole bars and developed his persona based on what the trend was. He rode waves. And his lyrics are ok. He has some good stuff, but he isn’t nowhere near people put him.
Papoose is lyrically better than Jay-Z if you're talking about bars. Cuz Pap got a lotta punchlines and wordplay and what not. BUT that being said, Jay-Z makes better songs. And that's whats more important at the end of the day. i'm not even a fan the modern day jay-z, but when you look at his discography there's banger after banger. In other words, if you put a CD together of Jay-Z's greatest hits, and another CD with Papoose's greatest hits, which one would you stick with you more?... For me, Jay-Z hands down.
Theres far more meaning behind Jay's work. Papoose thinks because he can make a song from Z-A that means very little as a whole makes him lyrical- a poet without meaning is almost usleless
check me out Harriet drugman
Harriet Drugman good name lol
Law libraries obituaries 50 shots cancer and aids... he has way more conceptual songs than a-z and z-a
Name one Jay Z song that can come close to paps alphabetical slaughter.................I'LL WAIT
Shanel Shavers breath easy from the blueprint
Knowbe Onekanobe the blue primt krs one did it first and not inpressove to mention
PSA, Meet The Parents, Breathe Easy, Marcy Son, Jigga My Nigga, almost all of reasonable doubt.
Alphabetical slaughter was cool, but not to be rude it isn't that savage. Bar for bar. J has way more quotable and thought provoking lines.
People like to root for the underdog, but for dang sure. You only going to run to about 3 freestyles to compete with J catalog.
Let's be real here people.
None! Lol..😂
Show you how to do this
Meet the parents
Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Vol2, Black Album
Never questioned Paps lyrical skill but he can't real format a song that's why Canibus failed
Did you listen to nacirema dream? One of my favorite albums
Clinton Gray Real shit!!
cannabis was great
thats not rite canibus did not fail hes making a ablum in 2018 and when he lost at battle rap he made a album in 2017 so to say canibus fail is so far off just cus he not on tv does not mean he failed
With all due respect Jay Z makes better songs but that nigga pap has better punch lines and bars but Papoose can't make a decent club song for his life lol that why he hasn't blown up on a bigger stage but he's an underground mixtape legend
228allday Hip Hop wasn't created to make club hits.
Bryan H. I know but if you want to blow up you need to make a couple of club bangers or really good songs for the radio
228allday Pap doesn't wanna sell out. He's a lyricist and that's what he's gonna stay true to. He's already pretty successful and has too much pride in his craft to dumb his lyrics/flow just to be on radio rotation
Why don't these rappers just do both....come out wit da the dumbed down club records n come out with lyrical songs...that's wat I'd do...if I was pap, I'd keep barreling, come out wit lyrical freestyles but I'd throw some pop shit just to stay relevant too
Tamir Brown / ( NO disrespect) that is pretty much what he himself ( Pap' ) stated. he said on other stuff like what you stated , that Jay-Z blows him out the water, but that he blows Jay-Z out the water "lyrically" . I'm not going to give my opinion, but that's what P said.
Jay Z is not on the level of Vanilla Ice lyrically. He sucks and always has. Papoose is a beast and always has been.
Saying his worse than Vanilla Ice is just reaching. Jay-Z's newer stuff may not be that great, but he was a beast in his prime. Jay-Z did not always suck and he proves it on his albums like Reasonable Doubt, In My Lifetime, Vol.1, The Blueprint, half of The Blueprint 2, The Black Album, American Gangster, etc. Vanilla Ice has never made a song as good as Meet the Parents, D'Evils, Regrets, Can I Live, No Hook, Renegade, 99 Problems, and Where I'm From just to name a few. Whether you like him or not is your opinion, but you can't possibly say that Jay-Z sucks if you heard any of these songs. Papoose is nice and arguably better than Jay-Z lyrically, but he can't write a song to save his life.
Dude I have heard many of the songs you mention and am not feeling ANY of them except 99 Problems and that is due to the Rick Rubin track behind him. I remember when Jay Z was beefing with Nas and looking like the sellout tool that he is. Fuck Jay Z and everyone down with him.
Yes, Ether was a great diss, but it was mostly insults. Jay-Z hit him with facts on Takeover. While I didn't agree with some of his points and I do think Nas is better overall, you could tell he took his time with it and wanted to hit Nas where it hurt and it only took one verse. If you're not a fan, that's fine but to say someone's untalented is less subjective.
Jay Z needs to retire to some island and never be heard from again. He is a clown of the highest order and got lucky to come out at the time he did. If he was just coming out now I am sure he would mimic some wack ass crap like Drake and get just as famous.
It wasn't just luck. Sure, his music recently has been subpar to his standards and it seems like he hasn't been putting much effort, but that wasn't the case when he was in his prime. The reason he blew up was because he had the perfect balance. He was a great lyricist and a great songwriter and those two sometimes don't mesh very well.
If he had a choice,would he rather to have his career or Jay Z's?
Lyrically Papoose shits on Jay Z. Alphabetical Slaughter is better than anything Jay has put out recently.
Young Bricks
Nah you trippin
Nah. I just no lyricism when I hear it lol.
word
ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH LOL
he aint fucking with HOV!
As a big fan of Tupac, considering him one of the goats w/ major respect for his catalog and contributions to hip hop; to say that his lyrical depth is deeper then Jay Z is shade. All of the goats do something diff. for me, with pac it was his energy passion and emotion mixed with poetry. He never spit bars that I had to research, replay multiple times to comprehend or make the twisted face you do when hearing flawless lyricism. I get that with Jay (Old Jay at least). Jay and Big styles were very similar as well as Big Daddy Kane who they were both influenced by. So to put Kane n Big on the list as well as Pac and no Jay is shade to me, but everyone entitled to opinions.
thats so well said
Hey Rod, you bring up some good points and I do agree with much of what you said. However, I think you can expand the category of lyrical depth a bit, and include Pac's poetic influence/style. While I agree that a lot of that was related to his passion and emotion, he also used sophisticated English techniques that many poets use. Things like Alliteration are constantly being used and although the lyrics are simplistic and don't make you rewind, the delivery is carefully crafted. "Picture Perfection Pursuing Paper with a Passion...". I'm not really a big poetry or English fan but I do appreciate the artistry that he approached many of his songs with. I'm not saying other artists don't have poetic style (Papoose surely does) but their songs likely aren't as packed with it, as Pac's were. I just thought I'd contribute that food for thought, as I think 2Pac is overrated on many levels but underrated in lyricism, considering many of his songs could be read as poems. "If I die tonight" by 2Pac is a great example of what I mentioned, very simple song but full of substance. One love all, peace.
PullYourBowl1 Agreed 100%. I just gave a few examples, I didn't go in depth of all the categories Pacs craft covered; but much respect for your input.
jay z is wack .
makaveli the don livessssssss
While Hov sits on his millions with his beautiful wife and 3 classic albums that he created, he'll be on his Avirex inspired Pelle Pell struggle for the next 10 years with Remy Ma as we laugh at his immeasurable number of struggle bars.
Stay classy, Pap.
Jay z is the GOAT fuck u haters
***** And that album was complete garbage. He really thinks he's the next big thing out of Brooklyn, and really has his head so far up his own ass to acknowledge the city and rap as a whole has moved past him. He's as terrible a rapper as Soulja Boy to me, because he's actually TRYING and still has shitty lyrics.
***** LOL Where I'm From is a better song than Papoose's entire career.
Srednja Bosna yep you got me!
He put Pac over hov lyrically? Foh.
Speaking purely lyrically Papoose can hold his own with ANYBODY, including Jay.
Papoose is gonna receive an onslaught of negative feedback for this. but hes right. hes clearly more lyrical, jay has more success
tochiRTA yea I agree. rap feel off in the mid-80s when lyrics where brought to the forefront. smh what was krs1, public enemy, nas, kool g rap thinking when they started using their brains? we shouldve keep the lyrics "hippity hoppity" like rappers delight. macklemore, Kendrick, drake, jcole, kanye, etc are wasting their time creating lyrics, selling records, making money, winning grammys. perhaps they should be more like Trinidad james, migos, & chief keef and have one hit then fade away. I TOTALLY agree with you but it still doesn't change the fact that pap is more lyrical than jayz currently is. lol you really think lyricism is using big words?
What makes you "lyrical" ? Is it flow pattern? Subject matter? The actual words? Please explain what "lyrical" is...
J Johnson lyrical is content/subject matter imo.. wordplay is overrated imo and theres plenty of mc's who dont have good flow.. content/subject matter = lyricism
I got the same amount of fans as him but I never had a kay slay plug or a busta rhymes plug. He is an acquired taste.
tochiRTA I agree with you. everything elevated since then but we are talking straight up lyrics in 2014, pap is more lyrical than jayz. I prefer jay over papoose & I was apart of papoose cult following back in 2005 & so on. I listened to him because he had the most bars, that's what I was into at that time; I was 15. bitches used to tell me "hes nice but he just rap tooooo long" its not really a diss, jayz dumbed down purposely. he said it on the black album
& Jay-Z's "500 mill, I gotta poundcake" line shits on Pap's entire life
Papoose is definitely a superior MC; however his over confidence keeps him from polishing up the areas that he needs work in. Jay-Z is the best, not because he the best lyricist, but because he knows how to translate his well balance of skills into success. Something Papoose has yet to do.
The Definition of being FREE....TALK YOUR TALK BRO!!! most people are scared to say that about Jay
Just to name a few.
Lupe
Eminem
Joell
Cassidy
Black Thought
Elzhi
could handle Pap no problem. Pap is hella nice too, but the best lyrically....nah.
U FORGOT CROOKED I
Facts
Did you pull up on Kendrick though?
USMC'SGamingNetwork it's Nas
DreWavy DaBlackKing have u heard his response to Kendricks control bro?
Gregary Kimber. nobody gives a shit he's Remy's Ma husband not worth responding
D. Vaughn Kendrick didnt have to respond ,this ain no fuckin popularity contest..who cares if hes remy's husband bro or if he doesnt have platinum sales...i give props were its due an ole boi a beast as far as lyrics go an to me he ate kendrick...i actually like his better than ortiz although they both was nice...further more kendrick accomplished what he wanted to which was to crank up all the real rhyme spitters...i do respect yo opinion though.
Javier DeAndré ua-cam.com/video/EajbW4Z0hs4/v-deo.html
Jay-Z is only relevant because everyone else died.
+Black Moustache lol
+Black Moustache people like you probably still haven't heard Jay's tracks with Big, they were equals together, Jay was always going to be big regardless of wholes was still around
nas, rakim, KRSone, big daddy kane, Kanye, Eminem ect, are still alive lol
+Black Moustache STFU!!
"People say He's no Big or PAC But he's close/ how am I supposed to win when Ya'll got me fighting Ghosts..?" ~ JAY-Z
What about Eminem, Biggie, Big L, people like that
Jay z is the double entendre king...
You can hear a song twice and catch so many different meanings each time.
Pap, hes more of a back pack rapper.
He nasty with the freestyles
But the rhyme is very basic. Nothing deep
Both are good. Jay z is just great
Black Thought, Nas, Ab-Soul, Jay Electronica, Lupe Fiasco > Papoose
Five rappers today who are superior to Papoose lyrically, which debunks his outrageous claims of being the best lyricist alive.
I sincerely hope that in regard to him being a better lyricist than JAY Z he's talking of current, because his catalog alone cannot match up to the greatness of songs like "D'Evils", "Friend or Foe '98", "Breathe Easy (Lyrical Exercise)", et al. classic songs in Jay's discography pre-The Black Album/retirement.
Its all opinion and subjective.
ab soul very very underrated comment bars forevereerr
black thought tho ehhh
This is debate .... pap has flow, and word play but outside that jay has everything else including lyricism..
True.
jay z has flow and word play and papoose mos def has lyricism
People fail to realize that Jiggaman is so crafty and cunning in his lyrics, he could be hardcore without being aggressive and he's slick with it , so in 2002/2003 i won't question how did he got Beyonce .
Still he's not anywhere near Nas lyrically
Jay is like ditty.... they usually bite from people in their camp
Uproar and truth. So you mean to tell me someone who hasn't released an album in two or three years. There is a major difference between confidence and delusional. Jay Z has achieved success that far exceeds anything that you have currently achieved. He has made various business deals to expand his brand and worked with various artist from across the board and also remained relevant for two generations The only thing that I remember relevant from you is alphabetical slaughter.
I should have said relevant album.
what are you talking about ?? because he's talking about LYRICISM if you didn't get it...
Jay Z is far more accomplished and successful but this man is strictly talking about lyricism
The older Papoose was pretty good whose new stuff is not to appealing to me.
He's not talking bout all of jay - z buisness deals or any of that, he talking bout just the rapping part
I dont know what the hype with JAY Z is. Ive only liked a couple of his songs but Jay is not all that.
trustttttt me ive been sayin the same thing, hes really not all that AT ALL. although he was a lot better way back in the 90's
He may be wack now but The Blueprint, The Black Album and Reasonable Doubts are extremely good albums and I would go as far to say classics.
I can name like 20 or 30 rappers better than Jay Z
YOU A CLOWN
Saying you're better lyrically than Jay-z is like saying I have better ball handles than Jordan . Like so .. what about every other aspect of the game lol..
word up, true story lol
Comparing Jay Z to Jordan is like comparing bud light to the finest wine that's aged 30 years. Lyrically, Jay is not breathtaking.
Da Butchaman
thank you
MrThekidisback your fucking dreaming, jay z is alot of marketing, and some decent tracks in the early 90s. Now his shit is so corny and i dont see none of his shit as real shit i would support
adam hamb You can't relate to Jay-Z that's why. He talking about shit you know nothing about. But you don't know shit about hip-hop if you think Jay-Z isn't good.
Papoose is right, but Artist>Lyricist to me. Even Lupe gave it up to Kendrick recently in regards to that. Alot of bar heavy guys but when its time to craft those "records" they lost
True! But then again, Lyrical Artist > Artist
Facts
Lol Lupe is Better Lyricist Than Kendrick Buggin
See a lot of ppl posting pap is better... but won't buy or support him.. bet they got a jay album
I like Papoose. He so chill & laid back.
Smh...I wouldn't even disagree that Jay Z isn't the best lyrically, but Papoose gotta be on that blue magic to believe that HE is! He must be trying to spark some major attention with this angle. I'm not knocking anyone for being confident in the artwork they produce, but be realistic at the same time or u will lose credibility. People gone think ur off ur meds, son...he must be missing his rib Remy so much that it's got him talking all crazy. Bless his heart
"that blue magic" LOL
That's a funny comment Fefe. Remy Ma is better than Pap. Well when she comes home we'll see how she do.
U a dumb bitch huh
"Sunshine" Jay's worst song. Is better than Papoose whole catalog!
But I like that track.
Tupac??? Tupac was mediocre lyrically. His style was just very witty. When you say "lyrical" the first thing that comes to mind is bars/metaphors. So in a sense the Jayz's and Bigges were lyrically better. But they weren't better on a grand scale...considering influence. To me adding Pac was irrelevant...
Pac actually had some songs that were pretty brilliant lyrically, and he could touch any subject and make it sound good
then why did Jay-z copy "me and my girlfriend track".....he even says "look for me" at the end like 2pac!!
Jayz copied everybody...
PAC had lyrics...no gimmicks to his flow just raw spit
bra u use the same flow since alphabetic slaughter. you wrote 567 rhymes to one beat...
Really Pap? How can you say Jay-Z isn't that lyrical, but in the same breathe list 2Pac? Pac had passion, and is one of the greatest, but is definitely not a top lyricist. [Uncle Murder voice] - FACTS!!!
Now it all makes sense.. just watched the clip below, where Remy said Jay is her favorite rapper. www.vladtv.com/article/218512/fat-joe-remy-ma-werent-allowed-to-hear-jay-zs-all-the-way-up-verse
ye how can you have pac in a lyricist list
Qayyim Kabar You're a moron.. Pac was a lyrical monster.. he crushed BIG.. and Nas.. the only one to respond was Big.. and he still got crushed.. 2pac, had lyrical word play, passion, and poetic Truth.. no rappers had that.. because Pac was smarter than the rest..
@@jrgarza1964 2pac? He was a good artist, but bar for bar he's not that nice. many mc's are better than him.
Thank you!! PAC WAS NOT A LYRICIST SMH
Papoose is one of the corniest, most arrogant, most irrelevant rappers out there he's like a neighborhood basketball player that swears to people he could have made it in the NBA.
True
you can't talk about Pap, in the same sentence as irrelevant all you white boys use the same word to keep Pap out the game fuck that what you doing for the game? Exactly let's see your bars fuck up all you got is corny metaphor's talking about NBA lmfao ya boyfriend flexin in yo profile pic homie don't talk slick Slim thug.
Gabriel Melero There was a time when Pap mattered. Then he decided to take 6 or 7 years to make his debut.
What bars have I got? Does it matter? First hand experience is not a prerequisite for criticism. Objectivity is often helpful in forming an unbiased opinion. But him saying he's better than Jay? Not even a comparison. Jay destroys Pap.
I made a comparison as well, not a metaphor.
Joe Pickford his girl was sent to the pen and he focused on her you don't have a heart or ears do you.
Gabriel Melero Yeah, I didn't say he shouldn't have done that, but don't come back claiming you're the best when you've put nothing of quality out for over half a decade.
Plus the album hw's been working on "for his entire life" (he said that about Nacirema Dream) was a "mehh" project.
Nas's Mom's died and he put out God's Son AND The Lost Tapes in that year.
I might be the greatest house builder in the world but what fucking good is that if i dont have any tools or supplies. In other words, being a great lyricist don't mean shit unless you have what it takes to make a hot track.
WeekzGod I didnt say anything about "hit crossover singles". I said a hot track. Integrity has nothing to do with it. Those are lame excuses for why this guy can't make a song that anyone wants to hear.
ReALiTeeChEkk Thank you "underground" artist need to stop using that and the "too complex to sell" shtick truly good music will always get played.
WeekzGod I'm not really talking just radio play. I mean just good enough songs to create a decent fan base. I'm no expert on Pap's career but it seems like he's more irrelevant than most. I'm saying he keeps focusing on bragging about how lyrical he is instead of choosing better beats, making better connections with good producers and things like that. He acts like being lyrical should be good enough but it's not. He should build bridges instead of burning them.
popetaytv Yeah they just don't get it. They act like you can't be lyrical AND have a good beat and a catchy hook. The last two are actually more important than the lyrics. But if you focus on all 3 things then you can make truly great songs. That's why guys like Jay Z and Eminem are so successful.
WeekzGod Yeah i think the dude has talent. Although i don't think he's as nice as he thinks, but that's just one man's opinion. I'm not even a big fan of Jay Z but i know shitting on him isnt going to do your career any good if you're not already relevant. I'm not saying he has to kiss ass but just show some respect, humble yourself a bit, pick better beats, try to collab with other artists, etc. He should know by now that he's doing something wrong.
I never heard pap spit other dude’s lyrics. Jay the Cookie Monster when it comes to biting people shit
If you haven’t, listen to Cams diss to Jay where he plays Big L and then J. J took so much from Big L.
Not the diss on Killa season.
Facts
Jay most overrated ever. Kane, Rakim, Pun, Nas, Eminem, Guru, 2Pac, Scarface, Big L, Ludacris, AZ, DMX, Sticky, Slick Rick, Chino are all better than Jay-Z and Papoose.
Thank You!!! AZ gets soo overlooked but his catalog makes him one of the GOATS.
... don't forget about Masta Ace. He's 100 times nicer then Jay-Z and he's from Brooklyn too
Michał Kot True that. I just named a few on top of my head. There's more than my list that deserve more credit than Jay and Pap.
i was with you chicken until you said luda lol....jayz smashes luda but i agree with all of the others...ludas very wack to me and dmx probably aint a better mc then jayz either...dmx has made alotta bad tracks and albums
Dirklewinsky1 Luda has crazy voice control and has very nice flows. Also he can be original with the rhymes and lines. DMX is without a doubt 10x the mc Jay will ever be. How old were you when "It's Dark and Hell is Hot" came out?
If jay was from Chicago or Detroit then he wouldnt b considered the best. PERIOD. His Brooklyn swagger has the choke hold on the mind.
Well to be fair, Kanye reps Chicago, and he has 21 Grammys, which is by far the most of any rapper, and he is one of the biggest international music stars in the world. Eminem reps Detroit, and he is the highest selling rap artist of the last 10 years. Drake is on top right now and he's from Toronto, Canada, which sounds crazy to even say! You don't have to be from NY to dominate.
There are plenty of other rappers from NY that don't come close to JAY Z's level. When it comes down to it, JAY knows how to make songs that people want to hear. He has been very consistent at dropping dope music since he started in '96.
You don't pay attention very well. I mentioned all those other dudes to show that you don't have to be from NY to have a big following and a lot of success and record sales.
Papoose is from NY, so why isn't he as successful as JAY Z?
A million other cats are from NY, so why aren't they tearing the charts up?
Face it; JAY Z just knows what he's doing. PERIOD!
J The ENTJ sorry bro. No I don't agree. My phone bout to die so argue with yourself. Lol
Kanye is hot because Jay gave him his pass. Thats why we started to listen to him. Jay made kanye successful. Eminem as well. He is successful because of Dre. The list goes on. These guys from the with great careers that you named, have had the easy way into the game. No hustling and grinding. If dre had a mouse that lived in his basement and he said he had skills, then we would buy the mouse album. lol
I hear what you trying to say homie, but check this out. Memphis Bleek was under JAY Z and he didn't do anything impressive, and JAY really wanted him to do well.
Kanye is just a beast. The first time I heard Kanye, I had no idea that he was associated with Roc-a-Fella. Ye made JAY Z pay attention to him because his material was too hot.
Dr. Dre just has an ear for talent. He knows if an artist has what it takes to be successful. That's why Dre doesn't work with a lot of artists. He waits until he finds someone who will make a big impact.
For example; Kendrick is a hot lyricist, who just happens to be from Compton, CA. Dre recognized a golden opportunity to work with a monster artist from his hometown.
Bottom line is this; if you're not hot enough on your own, it won't matter who you're affiliated with. Music fans will eventually figure out that you're wack.
Lyrically Jay-Z isn't close to Papoose
Lyricly Jay Z is not even top 10 right now
Q-Tip ain't much lyrically. Q-Tip also has one of the best discographies in rap PERIOD. Rap ain't only about lyricism and "potent pen game".
Disagree
I have to take my hat off to him for being able to say something that would put him in the cross-hair of mainstream hip-hop fans.
Papoose better than jay-z???? How!?? They do music and jay z has some of the best lyrics ever. Wtf??? People hatin on jay money.lol I respect pap confidence but damn. Y'all tripping. Ever heard reasonable doubt??? Streets is watchin?? He rapped a movie!!!!! Y'all niggaz crazy blueprint 1. Blueprint 3 black album?? American gangster.another movie he rapped. Come on man. Is pap better than kiss?? Fuck no. Styles?? Fuck no. Even on jay mixtape the black album listen to it. Being a mc is making good music. Wether it's party, storytelling, gangster,love songs. Etc. how does pap even compare. Jay the greatest alive y'all know DNA slogan? Gtfoh
He said it in moment of clarity.
"Every rapper has to feel like their the best, or else what's the point of doing it?" LMFAO, HELL YEA! It's all in your head Papoose! Jay's delivery is beyond your understanding Pappoose.
FACT IS you can't make a hit record...
Preach brother man lol naw but realshit doe da niggah can give u million bars but cnt give u ah hook smh
On top of my game crushes any one of Jay z mainstream tracks! That hook is killa and so is who features.
True, but he is still better than jay-z lyrically. The song "lifestyle" is a hit. I don't agree that he's better than EVERYONE lyrically, but he has jay-z beaten.
Agreed
Chris Smith what good hook has jay z made tbh most of his best tracks he does not make the hook......papoose refused to be a media puppet thats the difference bar for bar pap is one of the best alive and thats a fact
Papoose is a better rapper than Jay Z, basically Pap is Big L 2.0. Unfortunately people like wack shit these days so the lyricists and real raw rappers dont get the recognition they deserve. Fuck the industry though, I stay underground and fuck the radio too!
wow dont ever compare big l to pap, pap talent is miles away from big l, big l would eat pap for breakfast
Stay off the crack bruh.
Mrpaulojorge97
You are only putting BIg L on a pedastal becuase he died. Papoose has made some fire over the years and he was around when Big L was still around. Papoose probably the most underrated, unappreciated, UNRESPECTED rapper today. Why is it that an artsist needs to die to get respect from you people?
Yes, Big L is better than Pap. But Big L is long gone, and lyrically Papoose is pretty much on L's level. Pap has songs like Motion Picture, which are in the likeness of The heist by Big L.
MrThekidisback
I don't do drug's. If you think Jay Z is better than Pap as a rapper than you need to stop doing what your doing.
gravityhammer25 Yeah ok lol That's what all drug users say
But Hov isn't that lyrical ! He dumbed down a lot of shit
“Lyrically” Papp is better then Jay z
Greatest of all time is what Jay Z is. Nobody will take that away from him no matter how much y'all hate. Listen to all his albums. Nobody has done it better
Biggie eminem nas pun definitely big l jadakiss Cassidy kool g rap their are plenty who have done better listen to big l and jay z freestyle he clearly got killed same as on renegade hov a legend but he ain't no 1 of all time
Btw I've listened to everything from reasonable doubt to the blueprint to 4:44 so I'm not hating but imo a lot of mcs are better than jigga
@@user-tm8vx8qs7p reasonable doubt is lyrically his best album but the songs as a whole weren't that amazing besides a few tracks. I don't consider it a classic either.
papoose is nicer than jayz!!! facts
Not true
Anybody on here saying or thinkingg Papoose is better than Jay-Z lyrically is SLEEP! Set all his business success aside and Papoose still can't fuck with him. He actually sounds a little bitter. I don't know why. But for real he better go review Jay-Z catalog. LYRICALLY UNMATCHED. This dude is high!
Ok, I agree with Jay having a great catalog, but I won't go as far as to say lyrically unmatched. His earlier material is the stuff of legend but his latest music is average at best form a lyrical standpoint. Jay-Z doesn't really care about rapping to be the best anymore. Every move he makes is a calculated business move that sets him up to make another move which is brilliant considering that he doesn't have a formal education, but on the point of lyricism he just doesn't seem to care anymore
vinylvids2011 Jay-Z lastest bars "I'm like Michael recycled/these r not 16s these are verses from the bible/tell dat preacher he's a preacher im a mahfuckin profit/Smoke tree of knowledge drink from a gold chalice/ uuh u gotta love it I arrived at the pearly gates I had luggage/ meaning I had baggage niggahz askin me questions I dnt answer to deez bustahz/ Only god can judge us mahfuckahz..!! Ain't nobody fuckin wit hov lyrically unmatched like homie said
Well not his latest but dats off the holy grail
so you think no one stacks up to Jay lyrically?
Correct. I think if you view Jay-Z's catalog lyrically line for line he is unmatched in the content he presents.
Jay is really a lyrical nigga... his ability to balance the sequence of words sound to contrive a bar is crazy... if you really listen to Jay his wordplay is crazy
😂😂😂
Noooooo on certain songs yes but Jay is lazy in his lyrics I mean he gave you the album 4:44 with 7 songs on it 😂 I’ve never seen a album with 7 songs
as we've all learned from history, being a great lyricist is cool and will earn you a small following, but that's about it.. so if that's what you want, then so be it.. but jay is a business man trying to become a billionaire.. and in order to do that, being a lyricist isn't the route to take. gotta be able to make hit records if you wanna make big dough.. or be able to do both
that's where he ranks the top spot when referring to him as 'great'. The best Business successful rapper.
He sure as hell aint on jayz's level. Jayz gotta sky dive down to this fool.
Damn right! LOL
idk if he's better than jay z or not, but he's right that jay isnt all that great.
You and this fool stupid.
Jay is the best lyricist this world has ever seen. that is why his music touches everyone. his message in his music is always relatable and clever. these pap guys just rhyme.
@@mattyamweelo6027 jay is very overrated
@@randallross420 stop.
@@mattyamweelo6027 he was way better back in the day with big L but fell off way hard and is super average now.
Lol like King Jaffe Jeffery said on coming to America " who told you that ?" 😆