I draw little pee-pees on all of my artwork. So if someone steals it to post it on any social media, I flag it and zoom in on the pee-pee and report it for nudity
Make a video about this. Make it very short and open with this statement. Title in the lines of "my solution to AI art theft" or something along those lines. No here's one better. "AI stole my art (& How I solved it)"
It looks kind of like Cara specializes in digital art. Only time will tell if it is a viable platform for painters and sculpters. But lets keep an eye on Cara.
As someone with chronic pain, I really appreciated your definition of Pain = "spending a lot of time and getting nothing in return" ... sounds very familiar.
People suggest not to completely leave instagram/twitter/ect, but since there is no positive achievement I am able to reach since months, I will completely sweep off everything. And I don't even wanna look back. Tired of people monkey copying memes. What would I lose? Watching another nasty story told by the same cat memes over and over again?
I think an important thing to know about Cara is that it's geared towards people who want an ArtStation without the AI, and who like Art Twitter. ArtStation catered towards people who work in the art entertainment industry (concept art, vfx, games, 3d, illustration, designers, animators, etc.) It's less fine art oriented, though I think it can work well as a portfolio for any artist.
Thanks for the tip man! Ill be fishing in Cara for images to train my LLM with, instagram is filled with trash but Cara makes it so much easier to AI people by putting all art together in one place. Great find! Ive downlaoded like 30 original images already, all thanks to you cheers man
Might I mention that Damien Hurst did NOT invent spin painting? We used to do them at amusement parks back in the 60s and 70s. There would always be a spin paint concession. It wasn't stolen from Hurst. He got the idea from doing them as a kid like the rest of us.
I think it is a different style of platform and it won't replace Instagram. In the end there are just artist hanging out with other artist. Like devianart, and maybe it will become much more like artstation, where not much of traditional art can be found. And what do we know where our artwork will go there. Just object the use of your images for AI purposes on Instagram and on facebook. You got the link under your settings.
I don't see cara as a social media tbh, think of it as an artstation alternative? It's a space for just artists which is nice, buuuut I don't see it yielding commission opportunities since everyone on there is an artist lol. The site looks nice enough, so I'll just let my gallery live on there
Of cource i don't know where Cara will end up in the future or the sincerity of their intentions but on the other hand i think that you should have done at least a simple background check before this video. It seems you have a lot of questions about Cara.. and many of them you can find very easy. For example, the founder of Cara is Jingna zhang an artist (photographer). She says that it's a passion project and self funded by her. Also, now its intergrated with glaze so that your art gets an invisible "mark" so that the AI training models will not be able to process it and confuse them. As a result your art is not being stolen by any of the A.I. (for now at least). If it's true & sincere i think its an awesome initiative that we - artists - can stand by it. It costs us nothing to support it with our art.. my opinion now is that it deserves a chance. Anyway, don't get me wrong, i like and quite often find value in your videos but i think this video is poorly made. I hope i'm wrong. My two cents.
You're right. I literally put 0 minutes of preparation in this one and the plan is to continue to make both types of videos. Videos with days of preparation as well as videos without any preparation like this one. Thanks for your comment, lots of value!
Thanks for addressing Cara, Dries! I was wondering about it, and whether it was another merger of giants, where it ends up being yet another poxy face of facebook.
It won't last very long, because there are just a few people behind it. But definitely an inspiration, a very comfortable place to look just on what you are interested in (artworks) with a cozy and calm atmosphere
It looks like its going for Artstations thing. Tbh I would like to see more sites like art station with different communities. Imagine if you had an art station just for physical landscape painters or character designers or even visual development artists. Having more niche communities is what these mega social media sites really lack by nature.
I was a little skeptical about posting my art on Instagram. I saw many artist's original work, plagiarized by suspicious, Chinese e-commerce platforms. Thanks for informing us.
So I looked at Cara and even signed up for it. Here are my thoughts 1) when I first joined there was lots of digital art. Now there seems to be more physical art being posted. 2) when I first joined there was mostly anime fan art. Now that seems to have died down a bit. 3) when I first joined there were lots of digital fan art that looks suspiciously identical to frames from the actual anime TV shows they were derived from but claiming to be the work of the poster. Now I’m not finding any (yet probably) and I’m wondering in Cara silently removed them or sent messages to the posters and had them remove them. On this particular note; I don’t think that any one who plagiarizes/forges art from other people has any right to be complaining about an AI bot stealing ‘their’ artwork. Now the rest of us, who aren’t fraudsters and plagiarists, have every right to be furious about both them and about AI stealing our artwork. 4) As their TOS points out nothing is foolproof and it’s up to the artist to take precautions themself.
Dries, you've done posts on how art is social before (social as in "get to know the artist/get access" as opposed to "social networking". . . This counterfeiting or stealing thing seems to be a non-issue in that context. If the artist curates his group of collectors/followers, they will buy originals and support the efforts with other merch/prints purchases. They'll want to attend her/his shows, talk philosophy, share stories, etc. It's a thang.
Hm, if you would make a deeper research you would see that on Cara’s insta page it says that they are a platform for an entertainment industry artist. So they rather compete with the Artstation site, that began to involve in ai as well. And digital artist are those that freaking out of the ai thing. So it’s natural there are more digital artists, beginners that are trying to get into the concept art & illustration jobs. Those youngsters copy each other for training as well heh. And professionals that supports the whole thing (that do not need any new clients). So it all is mimicking artstation a lot. I find it very nice though except one thing is that there are no ordinary people, as my clients yet… that’s a big minus, but I’ll support that thing and others will come, if they as a company figure out their business and direction well.
It does have a lot of digital B's but it could work out but you never know. But IG cut me feed and cut my reach so I started to think about jumping as many others are. Who knows where we will end up.
@@driesketelsyeah, I found out they only show the ai trash original stuff gets no views. So I bailed out of there. Sometimes new platforms give lots of views early on so it was worth a few posts to check it out. But it sucks. Love to find a new platform but this is not the one
Thanks. But, if something looks like it has little funding it's meant to look that way. It's always a big hand behind it. Which is fine. Just the way things go. We can play the game. We want exposure. And they provide the platform. Later they'll f things up like any other. Which is fine too. Starts and endings. And then there's a new platform. Welcome to life. 🎉
To me it's a lost battle; It won't change anything, AI will improve and internet will be filled with beautiful images made by 5 years old prompting. The only way for artists to remain viable to me is to switch from digital to physical art. You have your how style ? Ok paint it in real or sculpt or anything, but tranfer your art style to real, market it, film the process, and you will sell and be ai proof. Because people will always love and buy the process of art creation, seeing that an artist with skills put his soul in it. Digital art as never been a way to make money out of is art. Physical art is, and will remain viable even when internet will be filled with beautiful art (AI or not). What sells is the creation process, and get this piece of art in your home that have a story around it.
the internet filled with prompts made by 5 year olds. hmmm sounds like something. Let's see what those 5 year olds will spend their money on 25 years later when they are 30 and are in need for nostalgia... Interesting
these big coprps should just give out monthly royalties for all data and art they use for their ai.i I bet we can all make a killing of of those royalty payments..considering our data is our data! very valuable...cause if we all decide to migrate out from their services they will go bankrupt. trust me. they dont want the data migrating.
Why is he a scammer? Sure he might be promoting a bad product, so is burger king, but that doesn't make them a scammer. Could you provide a bit more info so that potential users will be more aware of what they should actually be careful of?
@driesketels I don't either - they've had aggressive 'you own it, but we can use it' t&cs since the start. Cara looks to be very similar. Thanks for the reply!
The girl who seems to own the website is a photographer. What I cannot understand is that most of the Images seem to be AI generated the very thing the artist says that she is against.
It’s digital art drawn by human artists that you see on Cara, not AI generated art. But it’s very worrying that people out there such as yourself are perceiving digital art as just AI art. Shows the negative impact of AI art - it’s giving people the impression that any digital art must be AI art! AI art basically was trained from stealing the digital art of artists online and mashing it together, so that’s why it has that look
I rather take a shot with cara and see if it lives, than stand Meta for another day with their bs. Been looking out for another platform for ages. I hate what Instagram has become and it lost its glamour, all i see is some kind of badly polished turd of an platform. Doesn't matter how much it gets polished, its still a stinking, sinking turd.
"It looks like" How about you read up on it first? The Dutch really are the Americans of Europe. Shouting opinions first, getting information afterwards.
I will comtinue to use Instagram and try Cara...but I don't think this is the alternative to Instagram for me its look like a website. And this is all about digital art so... let's see
I draw little pee-pees on all of my artwork. So if someone steals it to post it on any social media, I flag it and zoom in on the pee-pee and report it for nudity
hahahahah XD That's a piece of art in and of itself!
Lol genius
Hahaha!
😂🤣 clever
Make a video about this. Make it very short and open with this statement. Title in the lines of "my solution to AI art theft" or something along those lines.
No here's one better. "AI stole my art (& How I solved it)"
What is good, is that we see the attempt for another platform to shake up Facebook/IG. Thanks for the update!
good point indeed. If nobody tries nobody will ever know.
It looks kind of like Cara specializes in digital art. Only time will tell if it is a viable platform for painters and sculpters. But lets keep an eye on Cara.
let's keep an eye
Really appreciate these short critiques on social media platforms.
This is what another thing that I looooooooove from Ketels, he always keeps up updated. Thank you for this info, dude.
Always happy to help Berynnice
As someone with chronic pain, I really appreciated your definition of Pain = "spending a lot of time and getting nothing in return" ... sounds very familiar.
Hope you'll be doing better soon
People suggest not to completely leave instagram/twitter/ect, but since there is no positive achievement I am able to reach since months, I will completely sweep off everything. And I don't even wanna look back. Tired of people monkey copying memes. What would I lose? Watching another nasty story told by the same cat memes over and over again?
hahahah XD good point
Stopped posting there. Bunch of African schemers pretending to be NFT buyers
I think an important thing to know about Cara is that it's geared towards people who want an ArtStation without the AI, and who like Art Twitter. ArtStation catered towards people who work in the art entertainment industry (concept art, vfx, games, 3d, illustration, designers, animators, etc.) It's less fine art oriented, though I think it can work well as a portfolio for any artist.
We'll see how it evolves
Thanks for the tip man!
Ill be fishing in Cara for images to train my LLM with, instagram is filled with trash but Cara makes it so much easier to AI people by putting all art together in one place.
Great find! Ive downlaoded like 30 original images already, all thanks to you cheers man
Might I mention that Damien Hurst did NOT invent spin painting? We used to do them at amusement parks back in the 60s and 70s. There would always be a spin paint concession. It wasn't stolen from Hurst. He got the idea from doing them as a kid like the rest of us.
Thank you! Your information is golden. Im signing up for it today ❤
good luck
I think it is a different style of platform and it won't replace Instagram. In the end there are just artist hanging out with other artist. Like devianart, and maybe it will become much more like artstation, where not much of traditional art can be found.
And what do we know where our artwork will go there. Just object the use of your images for AI purposes on Instagram and on facebook. You got the link under your settings.
Hard to replace IG. We'll see how it goes
If people support Cara financially, it will be successful. If you don’t want to be the product like on meta, you need to pay the platform.
If you don't want to be the product you need to sell the product!
I don't see cara as a social media tbh, think of it as an artstation alternative? It's a space for just artists which is nice, buuuut I don't see it yielding commission opportunities since everyone on there is an artist lol. The site looks nice enough, so I'll just let my gallery live on there
We'll see how it evolves
Of cource i don't know where Cara will end up in the future or the sincerity of their intentions but on the other hand i think that you should have done at least a simple background check before this video. It seems you have a lot of questions about Cara.. and many of them you can find very easy. For example, the founder of Cara is Jingna zhang an artist (photographer). She says that it's a passion project and self funded by her. Also, now its intergrated with glaze so that your art gets an invisible "mark" so that the AI training models will not be able to process it and confuse them. As a result your art is not being stolen by any of the A.I. (for now at least). If it's true & sincere i think its an awesome initiative that we - artists - can stand by it. It costs us nothing to support it with our art.. my opinion now is that it deserves a chance. Anyway, don't get me wrong, i like and quite often find value in your videos but i think this video is poorly made. I hope i'm wrong. My two cents.
You're right. I literally put 0 minutes of preparation in this one and the plan is to continue to make both types of videos. Videos with days of preparation as well as videos without any preparation like this one.
Thanks for your comment, lots of value!
Thanks for addressing Cara, Dries! I was wondering about it, and whether it was another merger of giants, where it ends up being yet another poxy face of facebook.
We'll see what happens
Nice one Dries...Nice one...!
Thank you kindly
You're welcome. My friend.
It won't last very long, because there are just a few people behind it. But definitely an inspiration, a very comfortable place to look just on what you are interested in (artworks) with a cozy and calm atmosphere
It looks like its going for Artstations thing.
Tbh I would like to see more sites like art station with different communities. Imagine if you had an art station just for physical landscape painters or character designers or even visual development artists. Having more niche communities is what these mega social media sites really lack by nature.
Niche communities embedded in the site sounds like something for sure
I joined up today at cara. So far it looks promising. Thanks for the recommendation.
Have fun!
Should I pay initial amount to join
I was a little skeptical about posting my art on Instagram. I saw many artist's original work, plagiarized by suspicious, Chinese e-commerce platforms. Thanks for informing us.
Yeah the plagiarism is real
So I looked at Cara and even signed up for it. Here are my thoughts
1) when I first joined there was lots of digital art. Now there seems to be more physical art being posted.
2) when I first joined there was mostly anime fan art. Now that seems to have died down a bit.
3) when I first joined there were lots of digital fan art that looks suspiciously identical to frames from the actual anime TV shows they were derived from but claiming to be the work of the poster. Now I’m not finding any (yet probably) and I’m wondering in Cara silently removed them or sent messages to the posters and had them remove them. On this particular note; I don’t think that any one who plagiarizes/forges art from other people has any right to be complaining about an AI bot stealing ‘their’ artwork. Now the rest of us, who aren’t fraudsters and plagiarists, have every right to be furious about both them and about AI stealing our artwork.
4) As their TOS points out nothing is foolproof and it’s up to the artist to take precautions themself.
Dries, you've done posts on how art is social before (social as in "get to know the artist/get access" as opposed to "social networking". . . This counterfeiting or stealing thing seems to be a non-issue in that context. If the artist curates his group of collectors/followers, they will buy originals and support the efforts with other merch/prints purchases. They'll want to attend her/his shows, talk philosophy, share stories, etc. It's a thang.
Selling social! Let's go
thank you
You're welcome
When was it created ?
Hm, if you would make a deeper research you would see that on Cara’s insta page it says that they are a platform for an entertainment industry artist. So they rather compete with the Artstation site, that began to involve in ai as well.
And digital artist are those that freaking out of the ai thing. So it’s natural there are more digital artists, beginners that are trying to get into the concept art & illustration jobs. Those youngsters copy each other for training as well heh. And professionals that supports the whole thing (that do not need any new clients). So it all is mimicking artstation a lot.
I find it very nice though except one thing is that there are no ordinary people, as my clients yet… that’s a big minus, but I’ll support that thing and others will come, if they as a company figure out their business and direction well.
Glad you did the research for us. Have a great weekend
@@driesketels I’ve noticed you answering so many comments very strong and nice of you ) have a great weekend
Look at me replying a second time even. hahaha XD see you around
They are only artists. No collectors? Thanks for a deep look, like that you went deeper. 🙏🙏🙏
Not yet!
There where no collectors in year one of London either.
Now it’s a site where the actual artist will “get inspiration” from with no buyers just artists
We'll see how it transforms
It does have a lot of digital B's but it could work out but you never know. But IG cut me feed and cut my reach so I started to think about jumping as many others are. Who knows where we will end up.
It has a bit too much of the digital vibe atm we'll see how it transforms
@@driesketelsyeah, I found out they only show the ai trash original stuff gets no views. So I bailed out of there. Sometimes new platforms give lots of views early on so it was worth a few posts to check it out. But it sucks. Love to find a new platform but this is not the one
I'll be on the horizon to see if there are any other promising platforms. atm I'm also not really convinced of cara
Thanks. But, if something looks like it has little funding it's meant to look that way. It's always a big hand behind it. Which is fine. Just the way things go. We can play the game. We want exposure. And they provide the platform. Later they'll f things up like any other. Which is fine too. Starts and endings. And then there's a new platform. Welcome to life. 🎉
To me it's a lost battle; It won't change anything, AI will improve and internet will be filled with beautiful images made by 5 years old prompting. The only way for artists to remain viable to me is to switch from digital to physical art. You have your how style ? Ok paint it in real or sculpt or anything, but tranfer your art style to real, market it, film the process, and you will sell and be ai proof. Because people will always love and buy the process of art creation, seeing that an artist with skills put his soul in it. Digital art as never been a way to make money out of is art. Physical art is, and will remain viable even when internet will be filled with beautiful art (AI or not). What sells is the creation process, and get this piece of art in your home that have a story around it.
the internet filled with prompts made by 5 year olds. hmmm sounds like something. Let's see what those 5 year olds will spend their money on 25 years later when they are 30 and are in need for nostalgia... Interesting
these big coprps should just give out monthly royalties for all data and art they use for their ai.i I bet we can all make a killing of of those royalty payments..considering our data is our data! very valuable...cause if we all decide to migrate out from their services they will go bankrupt. trust me. they dont want the data migrating.
They already have the data so... Not sure if that works anymore. But yes they should pay royalty or something fro ruser
Poison images prior to posting on insta?
mass poisining the images that we upload to IG. Would be cool if 3 billion people would do that indeed.
I took a spin. Lots of animation, book illustration, fantasy vibes and AI art. I'm wondering if analog artists will get traction here. Hmmmmmm.
I have seen all sorts on there! Cool sketches, ceramics, crochet, sculptures, traditional painting
We'll see indeed
I love Insta
Would you use one? Or using one of them?
What do you mean?
I mean using Cara or London? Or give up Instagram for Cara?
Be very careful with Cara there are scammers in there such as Bobby Chiu promoting his useless courses to kids. Be careful.
Why is he a scammer? Sure he might be promoting a bad product, so is burger king, but that doesn't make them a scammer.
Could you provide a bit more info so that potential users will be more aware of what they should actually be careful of?
I really thought you were showing DeviantArt - any year since 2007.
Don't have too much experience with deviantArt
@driesketels I don't either - they've had aggressive 'you own it, but we can use it' t&cs since the start. Cara looks to be very similar. Thanks for the reply!
Lookin like dark wing duck
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The girl who seems to own the website is a photographer. What I cannot understand is that most of the Images seem to be AI generated the very thing the artist says that she is against.
That's cause it's the kind of art that most AIs have been trained on. The artists on Cara are very real though.
Yeah I think contentcreator 2311 is right. Digital art was indeed the training ground of AI mostly
It’s digital art drawn by human artists that you see on Cara, not AI generated art. But it’s very worrying that people out there such as yourself are perceiving digital art as just AI art. Shows the negative impact of AI art - it’s giving people the impression that any digital art must be AI art! AI art basically was trained from stealing the digital art of artists online and mashing it together, so that’s why it has that look
@@contentcreator2311 That you for explaining this.
I rather take a shot with cara and see if it lives, than stand Meta for another day with their bs. Been looking out for another platform for ages. I hate what Instagram has become and it lost its glamour, all i see is some kind of badly polished turd of an platform. Doesn't matter how much it gets polished, its still a stinking, sinking turd.
hahahah... good luck
Whatever happened to Vero?
Yeah that was one of those promising ones indeed.
it'll be something to keep an eye on, waited 8 yrs to join IG
"It looks like"
How about you read up on it first?
The Dutch really are the Americans of Europe.
Shouting opinions first, getting information afterwards.
hahahah. Have a great weekend
I dunno. Cara is too much of a Luddite platform.
But it's interesting.
Not for fine artists. Looks like DeviatArt.
hard to say at this point let's see
But Cara sells your info to third parties. Read their ToS. Think...
Man Cara is overhyped like crazy! They probably paid all those people to talk about lol! Looks like an app for digital art emos
Don't think that anyone was paid but yes do feel that it's overhyped
I will comtinue to use Instagram and try Cara...but I don't think this is the alternative to Instagram for me its look like a website. And this is all about digital art so... let's see
yeah it def has that website vibe for sure