Not me lol. Sure I get some kills and can get a streak if I’m lucky but typically my damage is gonna be 2k-4k while my healing is gonna be significantly more. Side note, I wish they didn’t make her headshot dependent. In a game where people change direction very quickly landing headshots for me is difficult if they’re always moving which is the only reason I don’t play Hanzo and Widow. If the game had COD speed I wouldn’t have much of an issue.
If you want to kill enemies playing literally any other support would be better. Scarlet witch is an absolutely worthless character only worth her magneto team up and even with the 15% damage buff she gets she'll still lose to every dps. If you want to play her do us all a favor and don't download the game
@@maybedan695bro it’s not that serious lol. And if you’re gonna say “scarlet witch players will throw my games” there won’t be many in high elo, and it’s more likely the enemy team has one than you do
I think comparison wise- these supports are WAY more similar to paladins funnily enough. (I know its a Overwatch comparison FOR OVERWATCH players- just something fun that i noticed while watching the marvel supports, and i do love both paladins and overwatch) My main is Ying, a jhinn themed support, and when i saw loki gameplay in your video it looks SO close to hers so he is DEFINETLY coming on my play list, her entire thing was summoning clones to heal, attacking enemies yourself, teleporting around between all clones to confuse or escape, and if you want offense you can command the clones to run into the enemies and explode. From the looks of it Loki seems similar to her and in SO excited!!!
Honestly, what I loved about Marvel Rivals' supports was all their damage options. It was great to play healing characters with the ability to pump out some serious DPS. It meant that when I decided to focus less on healing and more on damage on a moment-to-moment basis, I wasn't completely throwing. Also, yeah, Adam Warlock is definitely Zen, play him if you like Zen (I do, so I'm gonna be super annoying on Adam Warlock lol)
Baptiste absolutely isn't the only Support to get eliminations with in OW2! You should be able to focus on elims and heals with Zen, Kiriko, Moira, Ana, Brigitte, and so on. Especially in comp!! :)
I don’t know if there is a support that shouldn’t be focusing on getting elims as well as healing outside of mercy and lifeweaver, ig brig is more playing to counter flankers but elims is apart of that
@lacytheespeon517 honestly speed boasting Flanders or your tank with lucio and helping them get kills is how he should be played if your not playing lucio to speed boost and deal damage than you need to play different heros
I think it'd be interesting for you to talk about every single character from Rivals that doesn't correlate to an Overwatch hero so people who might not know them can get a bit of a primer of what to expect.
This is such a useful video but I can't get over the tier list formatting for how you're displaying this information. This type of information would have benefited more from a chart where the overwatch heroes are on the X axis and the Marvel Rivals characters are on the Y axis with each overlapping block being marked to indicate they would be "equivalent" to each other.
this is the one I agree with the least, but as to not make the comment long and comment on every choice. Looking at this the same perspective as you with gameplan, Brig does not fit into any support role as she was designed, Brig is a defensive character not an up in your face character only time she was really up in your face was OW1 where she killed the game from being better than tanks, both her gameplans are not in rivals for the supports, but with how most people play her already I would suggest a DPS for brig players.
I would like to add that Mantis would be a good alternative for ana fans because she actually does have asleep, and she also has a built in dmg boost !
Honestly in OW i used to only main the people i thought was fun. Like Junkrat and Ramatra. So i'll just be playing the characters that look fun. That being said, this is still a really good video.
I would also argue that Jeff is also very compatible with Kiriko players!! Not 1 to 1, but idea of the kit is similar. You both have a healing stream, a projectile weapon and a support “bomb” you throw down (though they function differently).
As an Ana main in Overwatch, i LOVE to sleep dart my enemy ultimates, Stopping an ultimate is such a high risk high reward ability and Mantis has this, During the beta /open testing Sleeping Wanda while charging her ult mid team fight is it for me!!
I would argue that loki is also fitting of bap due to their survivablilty and the fact that loki positions similarly to bap. Not to mention the regen rune which is literally lamp. Sure rocket has the damage but also doesnt really have that skill curve that some bap players are looking for.
Couple thing should be notice is that: Rocket has the worst damage fall off out of the entire roster but some of the best at close range due to how his gun work, so wasting you ammo at enemy far away is a terrible idea Loki clone is bugged right now, enemy can stacked buff for themshelves, any move with aim lock will not locked in on the clone Loki invisibility also got countered by that as well as just by simply pinging him, the icon will follow him around.
Please ana mains try luna snow. Idk why she wasn't mentioned. Luna is genuinely just ana + zen ult (with added bonus of damage boost) even the way you play in my opinion. I do understand you were picking around gameplay, but I genuinely don't see how luna isn't just ana but more mobile and better in every way. Personal opinion: Ana: Luna snow (seriously an amazing fit imo) Bap: Rocket (really the absolute best fit) Brig: Mantis (really no one else atm) Illari: Loki/Jeff Juno: Jeff/Rocket Kiri: Mantis/Luna LW: Adam/Rocket Lucio: Jeff/Rocket Mercy: Adam/Mantis Moira: Jeff (really not much else) Zen: Luna/Mantis
I would've said mantis is more like Ana as mantis can sedate the opponents while Ana sleep darts and how mantis heal is more of a regen over time than just straight healing just like Ana's nade and basic shots the only thing they don't really have in common is mantis doesn't do dot damage
i feel like it’s hard to give them one character match because all the marvel character moves are a little bit of everyone, like luna snow is a mix of lucio, and kiriko with one not over powering the other
Hela's left click was hitscan last time I played the beta. So she won't dps quite like Kiriko who throws projectiles. (Unless they actually changed Hela's left click to projectile at some point, because honestly it should be. Throwing a knife shouldn't be hitscan.)
I uh- I just need to say that basically every supp besides Mercy can definitely kill consistently and heal at the same time, it's literally just a mindset skill issue across the OW playerbase that makes them healbot. And I'm gonna be 100% honest, I'm fuckin terrified that since Rivals is being touted as the OW killer that players are gonna leak over and spread that mindset
Off rip, kinda disagree with your ana pick. Luna has a cc similar to sleep, requires skill shots to heal, very good in dive due to range and abilities, and strong damage amp/panic heal ult. The only thing thats super different that luna has a lot more survivability in her ice arts and movement passive
As a 1000 hours support main in OW, i don't agree on some. But i respect, to me Mantis is Ana + Zen, Luna is both too, Rocket racoon yep this is Baptiste, Jeff is closer to moira than Lucio. Kiriro play Luna, Mercy play Adam for sure. Brig is a racist caracter don't play her XD but i think she can be mantis for the heal and stun ONLY.
@@leftyyy23 lw main here, you would be very surprised. obviously in a protracted 1v1 against most heroes in the same rank I'll lose usually, but I have humbled many cocky DPS who think I'm defenseless like a Mercy. Only (non-tank) heroes I don't stand a chance against are Echo, Pharah, and to a lesser extent Genji, every other DPS is much more managable. Also Thorns are actually really good at spamming tank, especially barriers. Because you have so much ammo what I'll do is dump my mag into the enemy tank instead of reloading normally, since you reload your thorns/heals automatically when using the other weapon.
@@sino_diogenes I didn't say his dmg is completely useless, I meant that it's weird that he mentioned that lw does good damage and didn't for every other support
I dont think u played much support in Overwatch - Brig is NEVER about doing damage its about fending divers of and protecting another support. And Lifeweaver doing what? Damage?
Ok so i play chamber on Val jinx in lol ballistic in apex i like the smart gadget types but i like long range high damage types with a way out who should i play?
Wouldn't Luna Snow be a good contender for Ana? Primary fire can both heal and do damage and they both have a stun? The rest of the kit doesn't really fit tho
Luna would also be a good contender for Juno, actually. Both of their ults do healing and damage, primary functions the same for both Luna and Juno, and somewhat similar vibes. I played Luna during the playtests whilst maining Juno in overwatch and though they were fairly similar (though I think Juno was only available during the trial at the time rather than being out yet)
How come you didn’t mention that Loki had an ability that’s literally bap immortal x3 or how mantis has not only a damage boosting mechanic but also a sleep dart like Ana and a trance like zen but also heals/ damage boosting. Not gonna like and dont gonna hold back it feels as though you did not play much of the strategist in the game. Other examples are how Adam has a right click similar to zen volly but without the crit. But like not everything is just rocket. I’m sorry but it’s not doing justice to what all them do.
"Support in overwatch dosent kill?" My guy, Baptist literally wins 1v1 againest every single DPS, except maybe reaper. You have no credibility after saying shit like that.
“And not just baptiste” literally said that in the video. Yes a lot of supports can do good damage/kill in ow but it kinda feels like all of them can in this game, nobody is just healing and or adding utility. Its a little bit of all 3
@Mrgilbee MB then, but every support except mercy are looking to fight Bap, Ana, Juno, Illari, Zen Lifeweaver are constantly applying pressure through poke damage. Moria, Kirko, wants to dive backline often while lucio can dive backline when he doesn't need to do team support Brig is a minitank who can contest a lot of DPSs Mercy is the only support who doesn't actively looks to fight and deal damage whenever they can. These videos aren't well researched. Like not suggesting Groot for mei, or claiming the game has no first person when there's punisher turret.
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“Just like kiriko but DPS”, thats great to hear, because every single teamate in overwatch thinks they should only DPS in Kiriko
I’m a heal bot with her cuz my aim is shit 😭
shes got insane dmg output if u hit ur shots
@@andres4926 for real tho, but i mean, i don’t really think that kirikos on plat are that accurate with their aim lol
Not me lol. Sure I get some kills and can get a streak if I’m lucky but typically my damage is gonna be 2k-4k while my healing is gonna be significantly more. Side note, I wish they didn’t make her headshot dependent. In a game where people change direction very quickly landing headshots for me is difficult if they’re always moving which is the only reason I don’t play Hanzo and Widow. If the game had COD speed I wouldn’t have much of an issue.
I do a balance of both and I’m fire
Loki and Jeff are NOTHING like Ana... The closest you could have our was mantis with her sleep ability and tiny projectile.
Mantis literally has a sleep... lol. Also Luna has a freeze which is a good sleep equivalent, and heals by left clicking your allies.
this game sucks
@@epzowahhh wahhh 👶🏻💦
He’s making recommendations based on how each character plays, not just abilities.
Yet he compared Loki and Jeff to Ana over mantis? Makes zero sense.@@Mr_Psktla
Yea this guys takes are bad.
Scarlet witch is the best support in marvel rivals.
tthe best support is a dead eneamy :}
moira is that you ?
If you want to kill enemies playing literally any other support would be better. Scarlet witch is an absolutely worthless character only worth her magneto team up and even with the 15% damage buff she gets she'll still lose to every dps. If you want to play her do us all a favor and don't download the game
@@maybedan695
BLEH BLAH BLAH,
"GET SUCKED BEDANA BOY!"
*CHAOS BLAST*
@@maybedan695bro it’s not that serious lol. And if you’re gonna say “scarlet witch players will throw my games” there won’t be many in high elo, and it’s more likely the enemy team has one than you do
@@maybedan695 im gonna main her just to spite you
I think comparison wise- these supports are WAY more similar to paladins funnily enough. (I know its a Overwatch comparison FOR OVERWATCH players- just something fun that i noticed while watching the marvel supports, and i do love both paladins and overwatch)
My main is Ying, a jhinn themed support, and when i saw loki gameplay in your video it looks SO close to hers so he is DEFINETLY coming on my play list, her entire thing was summoning clones to heal, attacking enemies yourself, teleporting around between all clones to confuse or escape, and if you want offense you can command the clones to run into the enemies and explode. From the looks of it Loki seems similar to her and in SO excited!!!
Honestly, what I loved about Marvel Rivals' supports was all their damage options. It was great to play healing characters with the ability to pump out some serious DPS. It meant that when I decided to focus less on healing and more on damage on a moment-to-moment basis, I wasn't completely throwing.
Also, yeah, Adam Warlock is definitely Zen, play him if you like Zen (I do, so I'm gonna be super annoying on Adam Warlock lol)
You just described every OW2 support not named Mercy or Lifeweaver.
hmm, i think the roles in Marvel Rivals play more similarly with Paladins
Most definitely
Yeah. Nonne of those seem to match at all.
Rly enjoying these vids man
Keep them up, and you might become the go to guy for marvel rivals content, good luck bro
Baptiste absolutely isn't the only Support to get eliminations with in OW2! You should be able to focus on elims and heals with Zen, Kiriko, Moira, Ana, Brigitte, and so on. Especially in comp!! :)
I don’t know if there is a support that shouldn’t be focusing on getting elims as well as healing outside of mercy and lifeweaver, ig brig is more playing to counter flankers but elims is apart of that
Lucio can b a bully too but while still healing bc you don't have to actively aim fo his heals
@lacytheespeon517 honestly speed boasting Flanders or your tank with lucio and helping them get kills is how he should be played if your not playing lucio to speed boost and deal damage than you need to play different heros
These videos are legitimately SO good, I love your nonchalant attitude and energy and game knowledge. Will DEFINITELY be watching this channel 👀
I think it'd be interesting for you to talk about every single character from Rivals that doesn't correlate to an Overwatch hero so people who might not know them can get a bit of a primer of what to expect.
Thank you for this. I watched all your other OW to MR videos, but I’m a support main so I’ve been waiting for this
I've been waiting for this video, and it didn't disappoint.
This is such a useful video but I can't get over the tier list formatting for how you're displaying this information. This type of information would have benefited more from a chart where the overwatch heroes are on the X axis and the Marvel Rivals characters are on the Y axis with each overlapping block being marked to indicate they would be "equivalent" to each other.
The gamers crave tier lists
brig typically doesn’t play aggressive and frontline, more so to protect her other support with an exception being goats and the recent juno meta
Thank you. Brig is the anti-dive support. She peels for Ana in Winston comps. Brig has not been a brawl support since 2019.
@@facemashwell unless bring is played with juno in juno rush comps bring can brawl but that mostly cause speed ring and juno ult being crazy
this is the one I agree with the least, but as to not make the comment long and comment on every choice. Looking at this the same perspective as you with gameplan, Brig does not fit into any support role as she was designed, Brig is a defensive character not an up in your face character only time she was really up in your face was OW1 where she killed the game from being better than tanks, both her gameplans are not in rivals for the supports, but with how most people play her already I would suggest a DPS for brig players.
I love these lists, can't wait for this game to get here!
I appreciate these list, definitely gonna help dive into this game
As a Brig main, this makes so much sense. LOL My top Survivalists in Rivals are actually Mantis/Rocket. LOL
Props!
Brigitte would also be similar to captain america
I would like to add that Mantis would be a good alternative for ana fans because she actually does have asleep, and she also has a built in dmg boost !
Lucio spiderman maybe?
Maybe?
Loki has immortality field tho so I feel like Bap kinda fits
as a Moira main who plays both ways I knew it would be Jeff and Wanda just from gameplay I've seen they have the closest kits to her gameplay
I'm so glad my goat Rocket is gonna be my most likely main!
Tho we'll be trying out Scarlet Witch, you know that
Great Video!!
Still six more characters to be revealed for Marvel Rivals.
December 5th (timezone difference from China) cannot come fast enough.
Honestly in OW i used to only main the people i thought was fun. Like Junkrat and Ramatra. So i'll just be playing the characters that look fun. That being said, this is still a really good video.
I would also argue that Jeff is also very compatible with Kiriko players!! Not 1 to 1, but idea of the kit is similar. You both have a healing stream, a projectile weapon and a support “bomb” you throw down (though they function differently).
As an Ana main in Overwatch, i LOVE to sleep dart my enemy ultimates,
Stopping an ultimate is such a high risk high reward ability and Mantis has this,
During the beta /open testing
Sleeping Wanda while charging her ult mid team fight is it for me!!
I don't play brig for the passive healing when doing damage, I play it for the mace and shield
I watched the tank edition literally 25 min. ago (video came out 25 min. ago at this moment)
Good content mate 🎉
Video starts out with brig gameplay this is already peak
Since there is no role lock I have a feeling a 2 tank 4 support team would be crazy considering half the supports can run as a dps heal bot
You mean 1 tank, 5 dps
Lol everyone will play dps
I would argue that loki is also fitting of bap due to their survivablilty and the fact that loki positions similarly to bap. Not to mention the regen rune which is literally lamp. Sure rocket has the damage but also doesnt really have that skill curve that some bap players are looking for.
love the mag pfp
Lets not forget that Rocket can also climb/run along walls like Lucio too!
I find Mantis very familiar as a Zen main. Her projectile is just like Zen's and her damage boost works a lot like a reverse discord.
Couple thing should be notice is that:
Rocket has the worst damage fall off out of the entire roster but some of the best at close range due to how his gun work, so wasting you ammo at enemy far away is a terrible idea
Loki clone is bugged right now, enemy can stacked buff for themshelves, any move with aim lock will not locked in on the clone
Loki invisibility also got countered by that as well as just by simply pinging him, the icon will follow him around.
to keep this series going, either do apex characters, or do team comps from overwatch to MvR
The team comps are like not really anything alike game plays too differently and I didn't really play Apex like that.
Please ana mains try luna snow. Idk why she wasn't mentioned. Luna is genuinely just ana + zen ult (with added bonus of damage boost) even the way you play in my opinion.
I do understand you were picking around gameplay, but I genuinely don't see how luna isn't just ana but more mobile and better in every way.
Personal opinion:
Ana: Luna snow (seriously an amazing fit imo)
Bap: Rocket (really the absolute best fit)
Brig: Mantis (really no one else atm)
Illari: Loki/Jeff
Juno: Jeff/Rocket
Kiri: Mantis/Luna
LW: Adam/Rocket
Lucio: Jeff/Rocket
Mercy: Adam/Mantis
Moira: Jeff (really not much else)
Zen: Luna/Mantis
Heard that beep, change those fire alarm batteries bud
I would've said mantis is more like Ana as mantis can sedate the opponents while Ana sleep darts and how mantis heal is more of a regen over time than just straight healing just like Ana's nade and basic shots the only thing they don't really have in common is mantis doesn't do dot damage
thank you!
i feel like it’s hard to give them one character match because all the marvel character moves are a little bit of everyone, like luna snow is a mix of lucio, and kiriko with one not over powering the other
Hela's left click was hitscan last time I played the beta. So she won't dps quite like Kiriko who throws projectiles. (Unless they actually changed Hela's left click to projectile at some point, because honestly it should be. Throwing a knife shouldn't be hitscan.)
"And I don't mean just one that can kill like Baptiste." 👇
*cough*
Zen
Kiriko
Baptiste
Lucio
Moria
Ana
Illari
Juno
Brig
*cough*
Gotta pick up that hela then🔥
I just wanna play rocket and jeff specifically because when i duo with my bud i can sit on his shoulder
Mantis is literally the vadassi from gigantic rampage
I need this game out so bad bro
I uh- I just need to say that basically every supp besides Mercy can definitely kill consistently and heal at the same time, it's literally just a mindset skill issue across the OW playerbase that makes them healbot. And I'm gonna be 100% honest, I'm fuckin terrified that since Rivals is being touted as the OW killer that players are gonna leak over and spread that mindset
I'll. Support you you seem chill
Off rip, kinda disagree with your ana pick. Luna has a cc similar to sleep, requires skill shots to heal, very good in dive due to range and abilities, and strong damage amp/panic heal ult. The only thing thats super different that luna has a lot more survivability in her ice arts and movement passive
so rocket will be busted on release and nerfed later down got it
I feel like Mantis is the closest to Ana, she has sleep and can boost her allies.
I main Moira in Overwatch but I will main Loki in Rivals
I like how the marvel rivals supports can actually kill instead of being mercy and just holding heal beam for the rest of your life
Overwatch is the same way though theres like 2 supports that don't deal damage
I'd appreciate a video about paladins
luna snows stun is similar to anna sleep dart
As a 1000 hours support main in OW, i don't agree on some. But i respect, to me Mantis is Ana + Zen, Luna is both too, Rocket racoon yep this is Baptiste, Jeff is closer to moira than Lucio. Kiriro play Luna, Mercy play Adam for sure. Brig is a racist caracter don't play her XD but i think she can be mantis for the heal and stun ONLY.
you kinda have imortality like bab because u can drop a responer which respons the last teamate killed
Witch supports are less damage focused and more heal focused? I'm real bad at dps in overwatch so I like to play mercy and never fire a shot
but what about people who play tf2? i main demoman and engineer... who should i play?
tf is that brig gameplan it's like a number one way to go back to spawn
2:55 Lifeweaver does a lot of damage?
His thorns and bc he has 100 ammo
@d-money615 every other support has better damage except maybe Mercy, also it's impossible to lose a 1v1 vs a LW
@@leftyyy23 lw main here, you would be very surprised. obviously in a protracted 1v1 against most heroes in the same rank I'll lose usually, but I have humbled many cocky DPS who think I'm defenseless like a Mercy. Only (non-tank) heroes I don't stand a chance against are Echo, Pharah, and to a lesser extent Genji, every other DPS is much more managable.
Also Thorns are actually really good at spamming tank, especially barriers. Because you have so much ammo what I'll do is dump my mag into the enemy tank instead of reloading normally, since you reload your thorns/heals automatically when using the other weapon.
@@sino_diogenes I didn't say his dmg is completely useless, I meant that it's weird that he mentioned that lw does good damage and didn't for every other support
@ yeah
I was waiting for this, thanks, now marry me
I dont think u played much support in Overwatch - Brig is NEVER about doing damage its about fending divers of and protecting another support. And Lifeweaver doing what? Damage?
short answer...play Rocket Racoon
Ok so i play chamber on Val jinx in lol ballistic in apex i like the smart gadget types but i like long range high damage types with a way out who should i play?
Wouldn't Luna Snow be a good contender for Ana? Primary fire can both heal and do damage and they both have a stun? The rest of the kit doesn't really fit tho
Luna would also be a good contender for Juno, actually. Both of their ults do healing and damage, primary functions the same for both Luna and Juno, and somewhat similar vibes. I played Luna during the playtests whilst maining Juno in overwatch and though they were fairly similar (though I think Juno was only available during the trial at the time rather than being out yet)
How come you didn’t mention that Loki had an ability that’s literally bap immortal x3 or how mantis has not only a damage boosting mechanic but also a sleep dart like Ana and a trance like zen but also heals/ damage boosting. Not gonna like and dont gonna hold back it feels as though you did not play much of the strategist in the game.
Other examples are how Adam has a right click similar to zen volly but without the crit. But like not everything is just rocket. I’m sorry but it’s not doing justice to what all them do.
im not a dps moira but i always try to mix is there anyone that fits that play style
Life weaver would really be Jeff to be honest.
This video was really off - wouldn’t recommend
this is literally so wrong lol? supports in ow2 have huge kill potential, comes to mind bap, kiri, moira, brig and many others.
What about support symm tho
1:02 mantis in a similar
Man I main lucio....
This list is bad. Could’ve drawn way better comparisons.
This dude does not know how to play support in ow
"Support in overwatch dosent kill?"
My guy, Baptist literally wins 1v1 againest every single DPS, except maybe reaper.
You have no credibility after saying shit like that.
“And not just baptiste” literally said that in the video. Yes a lot of supports can do good damage/kill in ow but it kinda feels like all of them can in this game, nobody is just healing and or adding utility. Its a little bit of all 3
@Mrgilbee MB then, but every support except mercy are looking to fight
Bap, Ana, Juno, Illari, Zen Lifeweaver are constantly applying pressure through poke damage.
Moria, Kirko, wants to dive backline often while lucio can dive backline when he doesn't need to do team support
Brig is a minitank who can contest a lot of DPSs
Mercy is the only support who doesn't actively looks to fight and deal damage whenever they can.
These videos aren't well researched. Like not suggesting Groot for mei, or claiming the game has no first person when there's punisher turret.
is this satirical? LMFAO
*Nitpicks crap out of this video*
Overwatch 2 is cringe 🤢🤮
so unbelievably lazy ngl