2x Nic's are brilliant! I configure testing environments and using the 2nd output to a console server letting me network many of the things out there together. Cheers STH great coverage of an outside the box server.
The maxed out model is super expensive, but the more standard conifgurations are reasonably priced. I grabbed an i7 model for $1300 CAD over black friday, and I'm very happy with it. Completely toolless chassis, remote management with vpro, 4 ram slots, and I added a 10gig card in the 2nd pcie slot. Also, for the standard models, the GPU is a standard low profile card and easy upgradable - I grabbed a mining-used a2000 for cheap and upgraded from the stock t400.
As someone who has been migrating to smaller yet powerful desktops for my homelab (including a Dell 7060 Micro after seeing them here on Project TinyMicroMini), this made me think of a beefed up version of my AsRock DeskMini. Its also good to see that Lenovo is not as bad as in the past with "Whitelists" in BIOS limiting only certain brands of "approved products" to be used in their systems. Great video and thanks for sharing yet another very viable option for homelabs.👍
After looking into the documentation for a bit, I found out that the GPU is in fact a tradition PCIe x16 variant. It requires a proprietary 90-degree bridge adapter, but would certainly take cards in a physical sense (IF there isn't a whitelist AND the GPU doesn't need external power).
Just a heads up: If you get this system without a dGPU, the riser will not be included and you will have to order it separately. Its SKU/FRU 5C51D95675 and costs about 50€. It's still very finicky to actually make a SAS9207-8e HBA fit there, but it's doable! I put a Mellanox ConnectX-3 in the other slot and now have a quite nice compact homelab system.
I appreciated your segment on noise - most useful. But the standout flaw for me is that while this PC comes with high-bandwidth USB and Thunderbolt, it doesn't come with built in 10 Gb ethernet.
What's so funny is that the professional laptops from Lenovo (I've the P51 from 2017) already have 4 memory slots and allowed for 128GB RAM for years in a package that's probably less them 1L :)
Even though the price is ridiculous for such a PC (5000$ for this config!!), i will say i like this formfactor the most, you don't lose any performance compared to a full sized tower PC (much unlike the 1L PC's) but it's still on average 3 times smaller while also having plenty of IO. Wish more of this kind of PC was available at a good price on the normal consumer side, or even just the parts to build them.
Great solution for businesses that will benefit from the small footprint. For a tech savvy home user the price is a little steep...DIY builds will give much better price/performance, perhaps sacrificing some footprint space. Mini PC's like Intel NUC"s are great options for home users looking for affordable small PCs to do the basics and use for automation or for some limited server applications.
The one thing I see there is: A Mac Studio competitor. You get the advantage of the Windows or Linux ecosystem, expandability, upgradeability and modularity. I know Lenovo isn't looking for creators to buy this kind of gear (at least judging by the press materials on their website), but if this configuration is priced at USD4000, I know what kind of machine they are pitting it against: A M1 Max Mac Studio. Let's hope there isn't any whitelisting here, at least so we can put a 13900T or 13900.
Support for 13th gen is not a matter of whitelisting for this system. It's bios was created before the availability of 13th gen CPUs. I guess Lenovo's certification program for professional applications only concentrates on the gen available at release. Also, they will want to sell you the P370 Ultra with 13th gen support, right? I went the other way: Had a look into Lenovo's spec sheet and downgraded to an i3-12100. Added a SAS9207-8e HBA and a Mellanox ConnectX-3. Now, it sips power, is absolutely quiet and rocks as a NAS system.
It’s funny how the bigger your PC looked the cooler it was. Now it’s the complete opposite. Although huge tower PC with water cooling solutions still look pretty cool.
In regard to Thunderbolt ports on Tiny/Mini/Micro machines, I have four HP EliteDesk 800 G5 Minis that were purchased with Thunderbolt 3 ports. They're my home vSAN cluster. I assume newer generations of these machines also have the Thunderbolt option available.
You can put one of those huge video cards into that system.. you have 2 thunderbolt connectors, so you can put a huge external box that's 2 to 3x the size of your tiny box to do it (lol, defeats the purpose of a small case yes, but you can do it, like those that hook them up to notebooks) Love seeing this small systems, been selling Lenovo tinys for over 10 years now
10:04 Small correction: MXM is the name of a (now defunct) standard connector type for laptops and blade servers. This machine has a Lenovo proprietary connector for the video card.
You can get these from Lenovo now for 45% off. It would make a great media pc for church with all the video outputs to all the different screens and not take up much room and run the presentation software really well. I found a i9 12900 with 32gb memory and 1tb drive
I get it for the companies that need that power while wanting space and a tiny platform. But at that price you can build a latest Gen AMD ryzen system with a great GPU in it sure it will take a bit more space up and what not. I think some of the smaller units are pretty nice for those wanting a smaller setup at a lower price. Ideally I like something that can replace a laptop for the office space for our staff. But at the same time it's hard to beat a laptop for some tasks in the data center as well.
I recently got the M90q gen3 Tiny with Alder Lake processor. It's a beast considering the power consumption. Also comes with a pcie gen4 x8 which should be enough for low profile cards like the nvidia t1000
My OCD wants to peel the 'protective' plastic off the P360 Ultra badge on the front panel!🤣 Pretty crazy that 10 or 15 years ago, this would have been a 'thin client' that required a network connection just to boot up.😮
For pricing as of early March 2023 in the US there seem to be discounts that bring the price down by 1/3, the mid US $ 2,000. Also Lenovo has discount programs with certain groups, International Mountain Bike Association - IMBA, so it might be worth joining to get a discounted price. Now for the purchasing decision - buy a MINISFORUM Neptune HX99G, or pay twice as much and get the same 1 TB, 64 gig, but more graphics memory, the ability to add 64 GB of memory.
Great points. Many companies also have purchase agreements with Lenovo that bring prices down further. We did not do the HX99G, but yesterday's video was the Minisforum UM690 and that was less than impressive under load. I think that is our second or third Minisforum box, and there is a pretty huge gap in build quality and thermal engineering between Lenovo and Minisforum.
i would love to see these made for people who want a machine this size but with a max power laptop GPU or lower TDP desktop GPU and keeping the laptop possessors while keeping the temps under control while having a integrated PSU. Maybe a more modern minimal design. This would be a great full tower desktop replacement or for people who want to keep a thin and light laptop for on the go and come home to a full power system that they can mount under their desk or behind a monitor.
I am very surprized how close the 5750G is to the 12900, the 12900 has the same number of "P cores" but it has an additional 8 "E cores" If i didnt have so much trouble with the iGPU on Ryzen 7000 with TrueNAS Scale, i'd have been very happy with the performance of my 7950x at the chassis' 60-80w thermal constraint.
Wish I could ever understand why put the Thunderbolt ports on the front when devices with that high bandwidth would likely be connected permanently and as such, preferably on a rear facing port.
AX211 actually gives you BT5.3, worth mentioning might be also that it can do Wi-Fi 6E Lenovo's Website also lists the 12900K, but I highly doubt it can keep it cool, might be a typo.
You can only configure the 12900K with a lame GPU (T400). I have the 12900 plus A2000 configuration, and see you can use the Intel Tuning utility to adjust the P1 and P1 power throttling parameters. It looks like if you set the power throttle parameters high, the 12900 ends up being thermal throttle limited at about 149 watts. A custom configuration can also choose ECC memory (not in any standard config).
@@janbottorff4642 you can configure any "K" 125W CPUs but will be limited to the x4 expansion slot for an add-in dGPU. Yes , cooling the 125W CPU requires a larger heatsink which bleeds into the open space of the x16 slot. So any low profile GPU in the x4 slot like the T400/T1000/ WX3200 will work in combination with the "K" CPUs.
Not having a integrated power supply should be illegal at it's price point. This is the major difference between mac minis and tiny mini micro. also this and the mac studio.
Great review. This seems to be an impressive workstation. Is there an option to install AMD GPU instead of Nvidia since AMD is more compatible with Linux OS?
i have never disliked the power brick! i wish that power bricks would be more customisable because i am a fan of getting all the ac to dc dune outside of pc as that does cut down on heat in the case that starts to matter more and more in sff.
What would be sweet is a reboot of the intel nuc with an RDNA3 version of the custom AMD graphics, in this chassis maybe a little smaller but integrated PSU. Ideally with AVX512 for better emulation performance, so ironically probably an intel-less intel nuc. Pretty much what valve would design now if they were to give steam PC another go.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yes, that but on steroids with a fat cooler bolted on. I have a PN50 with 4700u which is fine but the graphics are lacking, fine for a desktop and very light gaming but that's it.
Price-to-power, it still doesn't beat the Studio. It certainly comes close, but the electrical power needed, combined with price and other inefficiencies, the mac studio is _still_ a better investment, including the over-priced monitor.
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This makes an excellent music production pc with 2 ethernet ports I can connect one to my network and one to my nas add two 2tb ssd, there's thunderbolt so my audio Interface will run well, with a usb hub for my keyboard mouse and all, run a really fast system with 64gigs of ram and very low power consumption 24 threads and 16 cores is really good supposing it is atleast 3.8ghz , hell I can even run mac on this, really good value for money than getting a macmini
@ServeTheHome I use a motu 828es and antelope synergycore discrete thunderbolt, both excellent interfaces but If you don't care for thunderbolt then I would recommend motu ultralite mk5 excellent interface if you want more ins and outs if you want 2x2 motu m2 is the best
HP has had a second NIC option, including 2.5GbE options. Here is the info www.servethehome.com/hp-elitedesk-mini-2-5gbe-flex-io-v2-nic-intel-i225-m74416-001/
I purchased the Dell Precision 3260 last year before this came out. This unit is the identical idea (full 65W CPU compact pc...) and though slightly larger, has a much better design to the Dell. You're paying a large premium especially in the discrete graphics department to equip these machines. The A2000 for example has sub-RTX 3050 performance and costs $500-700.
some IT offices use standard vendor towers not unlike the users and nothing tooo fancy and so the extra port are great for general IO and virtualization type stuff
Patrick, can you recommend a SFF or mini that has a native parallel port? Preferably fanless. The old Dell machine I was using to run my CNC finally kicked the bucket the other day and I would rather find something newer and reliable to operate it.
Well... nice workstation, for private usage also, but why the hell the 4x SO-DIMM ports are limited to 4000/3600 MHz? The psref website from Lenovo also says: "System comes with DDR5-4800 memory and will run at lower speed due to platform limitations: 4x 32GB or four memory DIMMs with WiFi configurations runs at DDR5-3600; other configurations run at DDR5-4000." That's just unbelievable and a killer for buying.
Per the Intel spec , 4800 is the max speed for single dimm per channel implementation in 12th gen. With 4 dimms slots, there are two dimms per channel thus reducing the max achievable speed. It's a limitation of the architecture.
Hi, can you tell me how to install the 2.5" HDD on this P360 Ultra ? I bought this machine without the HDD, cos I wish to buy Seagate HDD, But Lenovo Did NOT provide the 2.5" HDD mounting bracket.
When did we start measuring computer cases in metric volume? Not saying it’s a bad idea or anything but it’s been a minute since I have looked for smaller form factor machines. Feels like I am ordering bottle of soda pop.
Sorry but the review of this computer completely misses your target audience as it is too costly for the average home user. I think most of us are interested in mini form computers which have dual nics or a free pci-e express slot that can accommodate a second nic. I find it tiresome to wad through all your videos to find most have a single nic and would require a managed switch with vlans to work with pfsense, opnsense of ipfire. Why not a review of all the hp, lenovo, dell, etc mini pcs that have dual nics or support the addition of a second nic. I think that is what most of us are interested in. Thanks and many cheers for a fantastic channel.
This system has dual NICs and open PCIe slots. At this point, these are being found used any reasonable prices. So I guess I am confused at the comment. Also, the STH main site has been around for 15 years, and has been the largest server, storage, and networking review site out there for many years. For example, in 2017 we were doing 8-way GPU AI server builds and reviews. A huge portion of STH works in the field and so they use STH for work research.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo - I know ServetheHome has a great reputation and highly regarded. My post was not meant to offend and undermine. But this computer is much too expensive for the home user and hobbyist. I thought that was your target audience and not Fortune 500 companies. Or am I wrong. Cheers from Nova Scotia...
The SSDs are usually consumer class M.2 SSD but OEM versions. Those are usually used in enterprise workstations like this, but also often as boot drives in servers.
Use an adapter so you can use your mouse and keyboard if both are wired in the front ;-) But I am disappointed you call it workstation if it has half way consumer non WS grade parts.. like the ram.. if I have a WS gpu i also want ecc Right? If you are just concerned about having more power and aGpu for gaming - the Intel nuc extreme is your best bet I’d say
Lenovo please update the bios for 13th and 14th Gen CPU support. This literally uses the exact same motherboard as the newer P3 Ultra just a different identifier so you can't use P3 bios on the P360. Cash grabbing Lenovo wants you to buy a new machine ridiculous.
I spoke with their support team and all they said is "not supported" and referenced me to the manual. Mine is still under advanced warranty support, only one year old but no bios updates for future CPU support seems like a fail on Lenovo's part.
2x Nic's are brilliant! I configure testing environments and using the 2nd output to a console server letting me network many of the things out there together.
Cheers STH great coverage of an outside the box server.
The maxed out model is super expensive, but the more standard conifgurations are reasonably priced. I grabbed an i7 model for $1300 CAD over black friday, and I'm very happy with it. Completely toolless chassis, remote management with vpro, 4 ram slots, and I added a 10gig card in the 2nd pcie slot. Also, for the standard models, the GPU is a standard low profile card and easy upgradable - I grabbed a mining-used a2000 for cheap and upgraded from the stock t400.
Cool idea
Which NIC did you go with and were there any quirks to get it functioning?
@@stevenmishos I believe its an Asus XG-C100C, with an AQ107. Worked out of the box for me in both Windows and Proxmox.
@@leadwhite1249 appreciate it!
Some indication of price (range) would have been nice to have at the start of the video.
$1,200+ btw
@@TGC1775 That's just the base i7-12700 version
The config as shown in the video is almost 5000$!
@@TGC1775 really? That is a crazy price
Gpu is around $2500 maybe 3k not sure about the other specs
@@TGC1775what gpu is in that version? That’s cheap!
Thanks for this. I've been thinking about an m90q gen3 up until this moment for my office. Now I'm thinking this p360 ultra is just the ticket.
As someone who has been migrating to smaller yet powerful desktops for my homelab (including a Dell 7060 Micro after seeing them here on Project TinyMicroMini), this made me think of a beefed up version of my AsRock DeskMini. Its also good to see that Lenovo is not as bad as in the past with "Whitelists" in BIOS limiting only certain brands of "approved products" to be used in their systems. Great video and thanks for sharing yet another very viable option for homelabs.👍
I'm needing one of thee, this would be a WICKED firewall !!
After looking into the documentation for a bit, I found out that the GPU is in fact a tradition PCIe x16 variant. It requires a proprietary 90-degree bridge adapter, but would certainly take cards in a physical sense (IF there isn't a whitelist AND the GPU doesn't need external power).
Just a heads up: If you get this system without a dGPU, the riser will not be included and you will have to order it separately. Its SKU/FRU 5C51D95675 and costs about 50€. It's still very finicky to actually make a SAS9207-8e HBA fit there, but it's doable! I put a Mellanox ConnectX-3 in the other slot and now have a quite nice compact homelab system.
@@robgee2713 looks like the dgpu is a custom item. not upgradable. be nice to have a RTX in it.
I appreciated your segment on noise - most useful. But the standout flaw for me is that while this PC comes with high-bandwidth USB and Thunderbolt, it doesn't come with built in 10 Gb ethernet.
yeah :/
bummed about this, wish Apple had some real competition
You could add 10gbit pretty easily with an expansion card.
Totally agree. I think the option there is PCIe slot.
@@gunysa Yeah, ofcourse, but how does that change the fact that he (and i've seen many others) expect that to have been built in?
Just use a USB to ethernet adapter.
Great review as always!! You help me stay up to date on all this stuff I can't afford 😊
have got it at work, this thing is a beast :D
It’s expensive, but show me a comparable unit in such a small package. Ideal for our usecase.
What's so funny is that the professional laptops from Lenovo (I've the P51 from 2017) already have 4 memory slots and allowed for 128GB RAM for years in a package that's probably less them 1L :)
I have one of these and I absolutely love it. I got a ThinkPad Keyboard II bluetooth keyboard to match it too.
Sweet
Super pro, entertaining and smiling
Even though the price is ridiculous for such a PC (5000$ for this config!!), i will say i like this formfactor the most, you don't lose any performance compared to a full sized tower PC (much unlike the 1L PC's) but it's still on average 3 times smaller while also having plenty of IO.
Wish more of this kind of PC was available at a good price on the normal consumer side, or even just the parts to build them.
I would love to see a case bundled with a special cooler for this form factor. An mITX form factor system and low-profile GPU would fit nicely.
You lose a lot of great ATX features though. It's great that there are still standards that survive in a proprietary world.
a5000 is probably half the price of the config. go with something less powerful.
Great review!! Thanks so much!!
Great solution for businesses that will benefit from the small footprint. For a tech savvy home user the price is a little steep...DIY builds will give much better price/performance, perhaps sacrificing some footprint space. Mini PC's like Intel NUC"s are great options for home users looking for affordable small PCs to do the basics and use for automation or for some limited server applications.
The one thing I see there is: A Mac Studio competitor. You get the advantage of the Windows or Linux ecosystem, expandability, upgradeability and modularity.
I know Lenovo isn't looking for creators to buy this kind of gear (at least judging by the press materials on their website), but if this configuration is priced at USD4000, I know what kind of machine they are pitting it against: A M1 Max Mac Studio.
Let's hope there isn't any whitelisting here, at least so we can put a 13900T or 13900.
Support for 13th gen is not a matter of whitelisting for this system. It's bios was created before the availability of 13th gen CPUs. I guess Lenovo's certification program for professional applications only concentrates on the gen available at release. Also, they will want to sell you the P370 Ultra with 13th gen support, right?
I went the other way: Had a look into Lenovo's spec sheet and downgraded to an i3-12100. Added a SAS9207-8e HBA and a Mellanox ConnectX-3. Now, it sips power, is absolutely quiet and rocks as a NAS system.
This guys energy is fucking awesome
Ha! Thank you.
Geez.. I want this as my living room VR and MCPC.
Very helpfull. Thank you!
It’s funny how the bigger your PC looked the cooler it was. Now it’s the complete opposite. Although huge tower PC with water cooling solutions still look pretty cool.
In regard to Thunderbolt ports on Tiny/Mini/Micro machines, I have four HP EliteDesk 800 G5 Minis that were purchased with Thunderbolt 3 ports. They're my home vSAN cluster. I assume newer generations of these machines also have the Thunderbolt option available.
You can put one of those huge video cards into that system.. you have 2 thunderbolt connectors, so you can put a huge external box that's 2 to 3x the size of your tiny box to do it (lol, defeats the purpose of a small case yes, but you can do it, like those that hook them up to notebooks) Love seeing this small systems, been selling Lenovo tinys for over 10 years now
What I was thinking. If you already have one, like we do for our Mac mini, just get one without video and hook up the thunderbolt port.
10:04 Small correction: MXM is the name of a (now defunct) standard connector type for laptops and blade servers. This machine has a Lenovo proprietary connector for the video card.
Get the riser (SKU/FRU 5C51D95675) for it and you can put many half height, full length PCIe x8/16 cards in there, like a SAS9207-8e!
You can get these from Lenovo now for 45% off. It would make a great media pc for church with all the video outputs to all the different screens and not take up much room and run the presentation software really well. I found a i9 12900 with 32gb memory and 1tb drive
I get it for the companies that need that power while wanting space and a tiny platform. But at that price you can build a latest Gen AMD ryzen system with a great GPU in it sure it will take a bit more space up and what not.
I think some of the smaller units are pretty nice for those wanting a smaller setup at a lower price. Ideally I like something that can replace a laptop for the office space for our staff. But at the same time it's hard to beat a laptop for some tasks in the data center as well.
I recently got the M90q gen3 Tiny with Alder Lake processor. It's a beast considering the power consumption. Also comes with a pcie gen4 x8 which should be enough for low profile cards like the nvidia t1000
Awesome! We just snagged a deal on the M80q Gen3 but I prefer the M90q's.
My OCD wants to peel the 'protective' plastic off the P360 Ultra badge on the front panel!🤣 Pretty crazy that 10 or 15 years ago, this would have been a 'thin client' that required a network connection just to boot up.😮
Frankly speaking, I admire my K39 with Ryzen5 5600x and PowerColor RX 5700 itx more. Which is also 4L, and with Noctua fans around 35 dB.
If you can get this with an all AMD configuration, pretty sure my dad would buy one.
For pricing as of early March 2023 in the US there seem to be discounts that bring the price down by 1/3, the mid US $ 2,000. Also Lenovo has discount programs with certain groups, International Mountain Bike Association - IMBA, so it might be worth joining to get a discounted price.
Now for the purchasing decision - buy a MINISFORUM Neptune HX99G, or pay twice as much and get the same 1 TB, 64 gig, but more graphics memory, the ability to add 64 GB of memory.
Great points. Many companies also have purchase agreements with Lenovo that bring prices down further. We did not do the HX99G, but yesterday's video was the Minisforum UM690 and that was less than impressive under load. I think that is our second or third Minisforum box, and there is a pretty huge gap in build quality and thermal engineering between Lenovo and Minisforum.
Great stuff! 👍
4:15 these are not RJ45 but 8P8C sockets. Let's use tech channels like this one to fix this very common error.
The layout of the two fans by the memory remind me of the steam machine internals by the cpu and gpu
great review!!!
Thanks!
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hi, can't you help ?
The place I work actually had 3 of these they where going to BIN! I use one for a Plex server now, transcode 4k/1080 without a problem.
WOW! Lucky find
i would love to see these made for people who want a machine this size but with a max power laptop GPU or lower TDP desktop GPU and keeping the laptop possessors while keeping the temps under control while having a integrated PSU. Maybe a more modern minimal design. This would be a great full tower desktop replacement or for people who want to keep a thin and light laptop for on the go and come home to a full power system that they can mount under their desk or behind a monitor.
A more reasonable config:
i7-12700 vPro CPU
32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-4000 RAM
NVIDIA RTX A2000 12 GB GPU
512 GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD (OS Drive)
Intel vPro Wi-Fi 6E + BT 5.1
$2112.00 USD (before tax + shipping)
I am very surprized how close the 5750G is to the 12900, the 12900 has the same number of "P cores" but it has an additional 8 "E cores"
If i didnt have so much trouble with the iGPU on Ryzen 7000 with TrueNAS Scale, i'd have been very happy with the performance of my 7950x at the chassis' 60-80w thermal constraint.
You can enable ROCm, but it still doesnt really work as well as Intel on TrueNAS, or AMD under windows.
Wish I could ever understand why put the Thunderbolt ports on the front when devices with that high bandwidth would likely be connected permanently and as such, preferably on a rear facing port.
challenges! i’d almost the crazy IRQ conflicts 8:07
This is the workstation I have been waiting for.
@ServeTheHome well love them or hate them, but Display port is the Standart in the Professional user space. and its better than HDMI anyway
This product exists so we realize how great the ATX system really is.
AX211 actually gives you BT5.3, worth mentioning might be also that it can do Wi-Fi 6E
Lenovo's Website also lists the 12900K, but I highly doubt it can keep it cool, might be a typo.
You can only configure the 12900K with a lame GPU (T400). I have the 12900 plus A2000 configuration, and see you can use the Intel Tuning utility to adjust the P1 and P1 power throttling parameters. It looks like if you set the power throttle parameters high, the 12900 ends up being thermal throttle limited at about 149 watts. A custom configuration can also choose ECC memory (not in any standard config).
@@janbottorff4642 you can configure any "K" 125W CPUs but will be limited to the x4 expansion slot for an add-in dGPU. Yes , cooling the 125W CPU requires a larger heatsink which bleeds into the open space of the x16 slot. So any low profile GPU in the x4 slot like the T400/T1000/ WX3200 will work in combination with the "K" CPUs.
The benchmark on the 12g i7 isn't far off from that i9. I wonder what the premium was to step up to the i9 from the i7
Not having a integrated power supply should be illegal at it's price point. This is the major difference between mac minis and tiny mini micro. also this and the mac studio.
I wish they would make something this size, but lower power and storage focused. Lots of nvme and 2.5" ssd.
Great review. This seems to be an impressive workstation.
Is there an option to install AMD GPU instead of Nvidia since AMD is more compatible with Linux OS?
I wish Patric did a review for tmm units with mxm gpu slots.
i have never disliked the power brick! i wish that power bricks would be more customisable because i am a fan of getting all the ac to dc dune outside of pc as that does cut down on heat in the case that starts to matter more and more in sff.
Awesome 🤤
My gawd, that is a chonky power brick!
What would be sweet is a reboot of the intel nuc with an RDNA3 version of the custom AMD graphics, in this chassis maybe a little smaller but integrated PSU. Ideally with AVX512 for better emulation performance, so ironically probably an intel-less intel nuc. Pretty much what valve would design now if they were to give steam PC another go.
Almost sounds like a successor to this box that we reviewed. ua-cam.com/video/iaYHtfa1-pY/v-deo.html
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yes, that but on steroids with a fat cooler bolted on. I have a PN50 with 4700u which is fine but the graphics are lacking, fine for a desktop and very light gaming but that's it.
Hello! I'm not gonna say first, but I will gladly watch it!
Damn that's a nice system!
Awesome ... I would like you to make a video of HP Z2 MINI G9...thanks
P360 Ultra is discontinued, the successor seems to be the P3 Ultra and it seems to be cheaper. Lenovo could send to STH one sample for a review.
This strongly reminds me Mac studio. but I like Lenovo P360 more because it runs Windows. :D
This is how the Mac Studio supposed to be.
Price-to-power, it still doesn't beat the Studio. It certainly comes close, but the electrical power needed, combined with price and other inefficiencies, the mac studio is _still_ a better investment, including the over-priced monitor.
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Wouldn't this be cool if you could buy just the chassis, and you could be put in your own custom parts? Would be excellent.
This makes an excellent music production pc with 2 ethernet ports I can connect one to my network and one to my nas add two 2tb ssd, there's thunderbolt so my audio Interface will run well, with a usb hub for my keyboard mouse and all, run a really fast system with 64gigs of ram and very low power consumption 24 threads and 16 cores is really good supposing it is atleast 3.8ghz , hell I can even run mac on this, really good value for money than getting a macmini
Hi Vinod - mind sharing what kind of audio interface you use? Looking myself
@ServeTheHome I use a motu 828es and antelope synergycore discrete thunderbolt, both excellent interfaces but If you don't care for thunderbolt then I would recommend motu ultralite mk5 excellent interface if you want more ins and outs if you want 2x2 motu m2 is the best
Why don't they put 2 NIC's on the 1 liter options? The Pfsense crowd would buy those up like hot-cakes.
HP has had a second NIC option, including 2.5GbE options. Here is the info www.servethehome.com/hp-elitedesk-mini-2-5gbe-flex-io-v2-nic-intel-i225-m74416-001/
Neat little box. I just wish there was an option for ecc memory, maybe using the w680 chipset
ECC memory is a configurable option
that pci-e slot is so weird. from the looks of it there is no chance to add a card that has ports to plug cables in it like a usb/network/sound card.
It is a standard low profile PCIe card slot.
I purchased the Dell Precision 3260 last year before this came out. This unit is the identical idea (full 65W CPU compact pc...) and though slightly larger, has a much better design to the Dell. You're paying a large premium especially in the discrete graphics department to equip these machines. The A2000 for example has sub-RTX 3050 performance and costs $500-700.
Great points. We may look at that Dell.
So it's Lenovo's take on Mac Studio.
The price actually surprised me, I was guessing $2500, but that is a rather high end GPU. What does one go for with just the integrated GPU in the i9?
goto lenovo website and spec one yourself.
Depends a bit on the discounts out there. Low end pricing is usually around $1K. Getting a Core i7 with the A2000 was ~$2.3-2.6K.
some IT offices use standard vendor towers not unlike the users and nothing tooo fancy and so the extra port are great for general IO and virtualization type stuff
Patrick, can you recommend a SFF or mini that has a native parallel port? Preferably fanless.
The old Dell machine I was using to run my CNC finally kicked the bucket the other day and I would rather find something newer and reliable to operate it.
missed opportunity for a huge heatsink like the mac studio
Wooooooow!
$4000??? Better get a M1 ultra mac studio at this price which 3 times faster than this and 5 times more power efficient.
Well... nice workstation, for private usage also, but why the hell the 4x SO-DIMM ports are limited to 4000/3600 MHz?
The psref website from Lenovo also says:
"System comes with DDR5-4800 memory and will run at lower speed due to platform limitations: 4x 32GB or four memory DIMMs with WiFi configurations runs at DDR5-3600; other configurations run at DDR5-4000."
That's just unbelievable and a killer for buying.
Could you please explain why this system cannot reach the full 4800 speed of DDR5, their spec manual says 4000 max.
Per the Intel spec , 4800 is the max speed for single dimm per channel implementation in 12th gen. With 4 dimms slots, there are two dimms per channel thus reducing the max achievable speed. It's a limitation of the architecture.
Hi, can you tell me how to install the 2.5" HDD on this P360 Ultra ? I bought this machine without the HDD, cos I wish to buy Seagate HDD, But Lenovo Did NOT provide the 2.5" HDD mounting bracket.
I want one of those with AMD Zen 4!
Giggity giggity goo.
Brother - what make are those screwdrivers (Red Tops) in your video?
I would buy this immediately if it came with an AMD processor.
When did we start measuring computer cases in metric volume? Not saying it’s a bad idea or anything but it’s been a minute since I have looked for smaller form factor machines.
Feels like I am ordering bottle of soda pop.
That volume rating was more for cubicle planning and is a big driver in the 1L PCs and some of the now bigger ones.
Wanted one of these, but too expensive, went for a NUc Extreme 12 on runout for $1000 including 16Gb and 512GB ssd.
what is that monitor that you used?
Sorry but the review of this computer completely misses your target audience as it is too costly for the average home user. I think most of us are interested in mini form computers which have dual nics or a free pci-e express slot that can accommodate a second nic. I find it tiresome to wad through all your videos to find most have a single nic and would require a managed switch with vlans to work with pfsense, opnsense of ipfire. Why not a review of all the hp, lenovo, dell, etc mini pcs that have dual nics or support the addition of a second nic. I think that is what most of us are interested in. Thanks and many cheers for a fantastic channel.
This system has dual NICs and open PCIe slots. At this point, these are being found used any reasonable prices. So I guess I am confused at the comment. Also, the STH main site has been around for 15 years, and has been the largest server, storage, and networking review site out there for many years. For example, in 2017 we were doing 8-way GPU AI server builds and reviews. A huge portion of STH works in the field and so they use STH for work research.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo - I know ServetheHome has a great reputation and highly regarded. My post was not meant to offend and undermine. But this computer is much too expensive for the home user and hobbyist. I thought that was your target audience and not Fortune 500 companies. Or am I wrong. Cheers from Nova Scotia...
Just got a P3. Any tips on rack mounting it?
Great machine!, although I think it's quite an overkill for my needs :P
Currently priced at $2800. JFC!! I'll just buy exactly the same hardware for $300 on Amazon.
12:35 Power "Consuption" 🙃
Are the hard drives considered enterprise grade
The SSDs are usually consumer class M.2 SSD but OEM versions. Those are usually used in enterprise workstations like this, but also often as boot drives in servers.
Is the CPU socketed like it is on the 1L units? I.e., could I remove it/replace it?
Wonder how the Ada 6000 would perform as an egpu. And the reasonable power draw and size means there are options for an egpu enclosure
I do not think we are going to show that off in the RTX 6000 Ada review.
What’s your model? There are many 30g1 or 30g2 ?
Use an adapter so you can use your mouse and keyboard if both are wired in the front ;-)
But I am disappointed you call it workstation if it has half way consumer non WS grade parts.. like the ram.. if I have a WS gpu i also want ecc Right?
If you are just concerned about having more power and aGpu for gaming - the Intel nuc extreme is your best bet I’d say
Can this machine run Windows Server series OS? Thanks.
Mac Studio competitor. Need comparisons.
The lenovo configurator does give "1TB 7200 rpm HDD" by default, but I could not see any place here where sata drive would actually attach ?!
Ho ho, maybe this tool could help in my quest ! Thanks
Shit I just want that case!
How would this work as a trading computer? 3 32in 4k screens running from Sunday evening til Friday evening
Great. Could even use the little Intel NUC we reviewed last week
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks. I see they have a similar unit to the one in this video on sale for half price
Lenovo please update the bios for 13th and 14th Gen CPU support. This literally uses the exact same motherboard as the newer P3 Ultra just a different identifier so you can't use P3 bios on the P360. Cash grabbing Lenovo wants you to buy a new machine ridiculous.
Agreed
I spoke with their support team and all they said is "not supported" and referenced me to the manual. Mine is still under advanced warranty support, only one year old but no bios updates for future CPU support seems like a fail on Lenovo's part.