2x Nic's are brilliant! I configure testing environments and using the 2nd output to a console server letting me network many of the things out there together. Cheers STH great coverage of an outside the box server.
The maxed out model is super expensive, but the more standard conifgurations are reasonably priced. I grabbed an i7 model for $1300 CAD over black friday, and I'm very happy with it. Completely toolless chassis, remote management with vpro, 4 ram slots, and I added a 10gig card in the 2nd pcie slot. Also, for the standard models, the GPU is a standard low profile card and easy upgradable - I grabbed a mining-used a2000 for cheap and upgraded from the stock t400.
As someone who has been migrating to smaller yet powerful desktops for my homelab (including a Dell 7060 Micro after seeing them here on Project TinyMicroMini), this made me think of a beefed up version of my AsRock DeskMini. Its also good to see that Lenovo is not as bad as in the past with "Whitelists" in BIOS limiting only certain brands of "approved products" to be used in their systems. Great video and thanks for sharing yet another very viable option for homelabs.👍
After looking into the documentation for a bit, I found out that the GPU is in fact a tradition PCIe x16 variant. It requires a proprietary 90-degree bridge adapter, but would certainly take cards in a physical sense (IF there isn't a whitelist AND the GPU doesn't need external power).
Just a heads up: If you get this system without a dGPU, the riser will not be included and you will have to order it separately. Its SKU/FRU 5C51D95675 and costs about 50€. It's still very finicky to actually make a SAS9207-8e HBA fit there, but it's doable! I put a Mellanox ConnectX-3 in the other slot and now have a quite nice compact homelab system.
I appreciated your segment on noise - most useful. But the standout flaw for me is that while this PC comes with high-bandwidth USB and Thunderbolt, it doesn't come with built in 10 Gb ethernet.
What's so funny is that the professional laptops from Lenovo (I've the P51 from 2017) already have 4 memory slots and allowed for 128GB RAM for years in a package that's probably less them 1L :)
The one thing I see there is: A Mac Studio competitor. You get the advantage of the Windows or Linux ecosystem, expandability, upgradeability and modularity. I know Lenovo isn't looking for creators to buy this kind of gear (at least judging by the press materials on their website), but if this configuration is priced at USD4000, I know what kind of machine they are pitting it against: A M1 Max Mac Studio. Let's hope there isn't any whitelisting here, at least so we can put a 13900T or 13900.
Support for 13th gen is not a matter of whitelisting for this system. It's bios was created before the availability of 13th gen CPUs. I guess Lenovo's certification program for professional applications only concentrates on the gen available at release. Also, they will want to sell you the P370 Ultra with 13th gen support, right? I went the other way: Had a look into Lenovo's spec sheet and downgraded to an i3-12100. Added a SAS9207-8e HBA and a Mellanox ConnectX-3. Now, it sips power, is absolutely quiet and rocks as a NAS system.
Even though the price is ridiculous for such a PC (5000$ for this config!!), i will say i like this formfactor the most, you don't lose any performance compared to a full sized tower PC (much unlike the 1L PC's) but it's still on average 3 times smaller while also having plenty of IO. Wish more of this kind of PC was available at a good price on the normal consumer side, or even just the parts to build them.
You can get these from Lenovo now for 45% off. It would make a great media pc for church with all the video outputs to all the different screens and not take up much room and run the presentation software really well. I found a i9 12900 with 32gb memory and 1tb drive
Great solution for businesses that will benefit from the small footprint. For a tech savvy home user the price is a little steep...DIY builds will give much better price/performance, perhaps sacrificing some footprint space. Mini PC's like Intel NUC"s are great options for home users looking for affordable small PCs to do the basics and use for automation or for some limited server applications.
10:04 Small correction: MXM is the name of a (now defunct) standard connector type for laptops and blade servers. This machine has a Lenovo proprietary connector for the video card.
I get it for the companies that need that power while wanting space and a tiny platform. But at that price you can build a latest Gen AMD ryzen system with a great GPU in it sure it will take a bit more space up and what not. I think some of the smaller units are pretty nice for those wanting a smaller setup at a lower price. Ideally I like something that can replace a laptop for the office space for our staff. But at the same time it's hard to beat a laptop for some tasks in the data center as well.
My OCD wants to peel the 'protective' plastic off the P360 Ultra badge on the front panel!🤣 Pretty crazy that 10 or 15 years ago, this would have been a 'thin client' that required a network connection just to boot up.😮
It’s funny how the bigger your PC looked the cooler it was. Now it’s the complete opposite. Although huge tower PC with water cooling solutions still look pretty cool.
For pricing as of early March 2023 in the US there seem to be discounts that bring the price down by 1/3, the mid US $ 2,000. Also Lenovo has discount programs with certain groups, International Mountain Bike Association - IMBA, so it might be worth joining to get a discounted price. Now for the purchasing decision - buy a MINISFORUM Neptune HX99G, or pay twice as much and get the same 1 TB, 64 gig, but more graphics memory, the ability to add 64 GB of memory.
Great points. Many companies also have purchase agreements with Lenovo that bring prices down further. We did not do the HX99G, but yesterday's video was the Minisforum UM690 and that was less than impressive under load. I think that is our second or third Minisforum box, and there is a pretty huge gap in build quality and thermal engineering between Lenovo and Minisforum.
I recently got the M90q gen3 Tiny with Alder Lake processor. It's a beast considering the power consumption. Also comes with a pcie gen4 x8 which should be enough for low profile cards like the nvidia t1000
You can put one of those huge video cards into that system.. you have 2 thunderbolt connectors, so you can put a huge external box that's 2 to 3x the size of your tiny box to do it (lol, defeats the purpose of a small case yes, but you can do it, like those that hook them up to notebooks) Love seeing this small systems, been selling Lenovo tinys for over 10 years now
I am very surprized how close the 5750G is to the 12900, the 12900 has the same number of "P cores" but it has an additional 8 "E cores" If i didnt have so much trouble with the iGPU on Ryzen 7000 with TrueNAS Scale, i'd have been very happy with the performance of my 7950x at the chassis' 60-80w thermal constraint.
In regard to Thunderbolt ports on Tiny/Mini/Micro machines, I have four HP EliteDesk 800 G5 Minis that were purchased with Thunderbolt 3 ports. They're my home vSAN cluster. I assume newer generations of these machines also have the Thunderbolt option available.
i would love to see these made for people who want a machine this size but with a max power laptop GPU or lower TDP desktop GPU and keeping the laptop possessors while keeping the temps under control while having a integrated PSU. Maybe a more modern minimal design. This would be a great full tower desktop replacement or for people who want to keep a thin and light laptop for on the go and come home to a full power system that they can mount under their desk or behind a monitor.
Wish I could ever understand why put the Thunderbolt ports on the front when devices with that high bandwidth would likely be connected permanently and as such, preferably on a rear facing port.
AX211 actually gives you BT5.3, worth mentioning might be also that it can do Wi-Fi 6E Lenovo's Website also lists the 12900K, but I highly doubt it can keep it cool, might be a typo.
You can only configure the 12900K with a lame GPU (T400). I have the 12900 plus A2000 configuration, and see you can use the Intel Tuning utility to adjust the P1 and P1 power throttling parameters. It looks like if you set the power throttle parameters high, the 12900 ends up being thermal throttle limited at about 149 watts. A custom configuration can also choose ECC memory (not in any standard config).
@@janbottorff4642 you can configure any "K" 125W CPUs but will be limited to the x4 expansion slot for an add-in dGPU. Yes , cooling the 125W CPU requires a larger heatsink which bleeds into the open space of the x16 slot. So any low profile GPU in the x4 slot like the T400/T1000/ WX3200 will work in combination with the "K" CPUs.
Not having a integrated power supply should be illegal at it's price point. This is the major difference between mac minis and tiny mini micro. also this and the mac studio.
i have never disliked the power brick! i wish that power bricks would be more customisable because i am a fan of getting all the ac to dc dune outside of pc as that does cut down on heat in the case that starts to matter more and more in sff.
Great review. This seems to be an impressive workstation. Is there an option to install AMD GPU instead of Nvidia since AMD is more compatible with Linux OS?
Price-to-power, it still doesn't beat the Studio. It certainly comes close, but the electrical power needed, combined with price and other inefficiencies, the mac studio is _still_ a better investment, including the over-priced monitor.
What would be sweet is a reboot of the intel nuc with an RDNA3 version of the custom AMD graphics, in this chassis maybe a little smaller but integrated PSU. Ideally with AVX512 for better emulation performance, so ironically probably an intel-less intel nuc. Pretty much what valve would design now if they were to give steam PC another go.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yes, that but on steroids with a fat cooler bolted on. I have a PN50 with 4700u which is fine but the graphics are lacking, fine for a desktop and very light gaming but that's it.
I've been considering a P series system, Either the P3 tiny or the P3 ultra, however my usecase wont't really be that of a creative professional, that being said ; the p3 tiny is perhaps the right choice, however given the current 13th and 14th gen reliability issues, I am far more inclined to having a 12gen processor on the Tiny, but the Lenovo PSREF says nothing about the bios support for 12th gen processors (I should mention that the P3 Ultra however continues to ships with 12th gen processors unlike the P3 tiny) would really like an opinion!
This makes an excellent music production pc with 2 ethernet ports I can connect one to my network and one to my nas add two 2tb ssd, there's thunderbolt so my audio Interface will run well, with a usb hub for my keyboard mouse and all, run a really fast system with 64gigs of ram and very low power consumption 24 threads and 16 cores is really good supposing it is atleast 3.8ghz , hell I can even run mac on this, really good value for money than getting a macmini
@ServeTheHome I use a motu 828es and antelope synergycore discrete thunderbolt, both excellent interfaces but If you don't care for thunderbolt then I would recommend motu ultralite mk5 excellent interface if you want more ins and outs if you want 2x2 motu m2 is the best
HP has had a second NIC option, including 2.5GbE options. Here is the info www.servethehome.com/hp-elitedesk-mini-2-5gbe-flex-io-v2-nic-intel-i225-m74416-001/
some IT offices use standard vendor towers not unlike the users and nothing tooo fancy and so the extra port are great for general IO and virtualization type stuff
Hi, can you tell me how to install the 2.5" HDD on this P360 Ultra ? I bought this machine without the HDD, cos I wish to buy Seagate HDD, But Lenovo Did NOT provide the 2.5" HDD mounting bracket.
I purchased the Dell Precision 3260 last year before this came out. This unit is the identical idea (full 65W CPU compact pc...) and though slightly larger, has a much better design to the Dell. You're paying a large premium especially in the discrete graphics department to equip these machines. The A2000 for example has sub-RTX 3050 performance and costs $500-700.
Well... nice workstation, for private usage also, but why the hell the 4x SO-DIMM ports are limited to 4000/3600 MHz? The psref website from Lenovo also says: "System comes with DDR5-4800 memory and will run at lower speed due to platform limitations: 4x 32GB or four memory DIMMs with WiFi configurations runs at DDR5-3600; other configurations run at DDR5-4000." That's just unbelievable and a killer for buying.
Patrick, can you recommend a SFF or mini that has a native parallel port? Preferably fanless. The old Dell machine I was using to run my CNC finally kicked the bucket the other day and I would rather find something newer and reliable to operate it.
When did we start measuring computer cases in metric volume? Not saying it’s a bad idea or anything but it’s been a minute since I have looked for smaller form factor machines. Feels like I am ordering bottle of soda pop.
@ServeTheHome Do you know where i could find 3dfiles for the case of the m90q gen1? I have one of those and would like to put in an Asrock ARC A380 6GB LP in it
Ha! That was used as a prop at the SC 22 pre-event gala. I was able to take one (with Intel VP approval) after the event when they were debating throwing them away.
@@zoopercoolguy Was curious because the PCIeGen3x4 slot would be a good option for a raid controller. (And the x16 slot w Bifurcation could handle 4x Gen4x4 M.2 cards.) Could make an entirely SSD/nvme TrueNas box in a small footprint.
Per the Intel spec , 4800 is the max speed for single dimm per channel implementation in 12th gen. With 4 dimms slots, there are two dimms per channel thus reducing the max achievable speed. It's a limitation of the architecture.
The SSDs are usually consumer class M.2 SSD but OEM versions. Those are usually used in enterprise workstations like this, but also often as boot drives in servers.
2x Nic's are brilliant! I configure testing environments and using the 2nd output to a console server letting me network many of the things out there together.
Cheers STH great coverage of an outside the box server.
The maxed out model is super expensive, but the more standard conifgurations are reasonably priced. I grabbed an i7 model for $1300 CAD over black friday, and I'm very happy with it. Completely toolless chassis, remote management with vpro, 4 ram slots, and I added a 10gig card in the 2nd pcie slot. Also, for the standard models, the GPU is a standard low profile card and easy upgradable - I grabbed a mining-used a2000 for cheap and upgraded from the stock t400.
Cool idea
Which NIC did you go with and were there any quirks to get it functioning?
@@stevenmishos I believe its an Asus XG-C100C, with an AQ107. Worked out of the box for me in both Windows and Proxmox.
@@leadwhite1249 appreciate it!
As someone who has been migrating to smaller yet powerful desktops for my homelab (including a Dell 7060 Micro after seeing them here on Project TinyMicroMini), this made me think of a beefed up version of my AsRock DeskMini. Its also good to see that Lenovo is not as bad as in the past with "Whitelists" in BIOS limiting only certain brands of "approved products" to be used in their systems. Great video and thanks for sharing yet another very viable option for homelabs.👍
Some indication of price (range) would have been nice to have at the start of the video.
$1,200+ btw
@@TGC1775 That's just the base i7-12700 version
The config as shown in the video is almost 5000$!
@@TGC1775 really? That is a crazy price
Gpu is around $2500 maybe 3k not sure about the other specs
@@TGC1775what gpu is in that version? That’s cheap!
Thanks for this. I've been thinking about an m90q gen3 up until this moment for my office. Now I'm thinking this p360 ultra is just the ticket.
After looking into the documentation for a bit, I found out that the GPU is in fact a tradition PCIe x16 variant. It requires a proprietary 90-degree bridge adapter, but would certainly take cards in a physical sense (IF there isn't a whitelist AND the GPU doesn't need external power).
Just a heads up: If you get this system without a dGPU, the riser will not be included and you will have to order it separately. Its SKU/FRU 5C51D95675 and costs about 50€. It's still very finicky to actually make a SAS9207-8e HBA fit there, but it's doable! I put a Mellanox ConnectX-3 in the other slot and now have a quite nice compact homelab system.
@@robgee2713 looks like the dgpu is a custom item. not upgradable. be nice to have a RTX in it.
I appreciated your segment on noise - most useful. But the standout flaw for me is that while this PC comes with high-bandwidth USB and Thunderbolt, it doesn't come with built in 10 Gb ethernet.
yeah :/
bummed about this, wish Apple had some real competition
You could add 10gbit pretty easily with an expansion card.
Totally agree. I think the option there is PCIe slot.
@@gunysa Yeah, ofcourse, but how does that change the fact that he (and i've seen many others) expect that to have been built in?
Just use a USB to ethernet adapter.
What's so funny is that the professional laptops from Lenovo (I've the P51 from 2017) already have 4 memory slots and allowed for 128GB RAM for years in a package that's probably less them 1L :)
I'm needing one of thee, this would be a WICKED firewall !!
have got it at work, this thing is a beast :D
It’s expensive, but show me a comparable unit in such a small package. Ideal for our usecase.
The one thing I see there is: A Mac Studio competitor. You get the advantage of the Windows or Linux ecosystem, expandability, upgradeability and modularity.
I know Lenovo isn't looking for creators to buy this kind of gear (at least judging by the press materials on their website), but if this configuration is priced at USD4000, I know what kind of machine they are pitting it against: A M1 Max Mac Studio.
Let's hope there isn't any whitelisting here, at least so we can put a 13900T or 13900.
Support for 13th gen is not a matter of whitelisting for this system. It's bios was created before the availability of 13th gen CPUs. I guess Lenovo's certification program for professional applications only concentrates on the gen available at release. Also, they will want to sell you the P370 Ultra with 13th gen support, right?
I went the other way: Had a look into Lenovo's spec sheet and downgraded to an i3-12100. Added a SAS9207-8e HBA and a Mellanox ConnectX-3. Now, it sips power, is absolutely quiet and rocks as a NAS system.
Frankly speaking, I admire my K39 with Ryzen5 5600x and PowerColor RX 5700 itx more. Which is also 4L, and with Noctua fans around 35 dB.
Even though the price is ridiculous for such a PC (5000$ for this config!!), i will say i like this formfactor the most, you don't lose any performance compared to a full sized tower PC (much unlike the 1L PC's) but it's still on average 3 times smaller while also having plenty of IO.
Wish more of this kind of PC was available at a good price on the normal consumer side, or even just the parts to build them.
I would love to see a case bundled with a special cooler for this form factor. An mITX form factor system and low-profile GPU would fit nicely.
You lose a lot of great ATX features though. It's great that there are still standards that survive in a proprietary world.
a5000 is probably half the price of the config. go with something less powerful.
You can get these from Lenovo now for 45% off. It would make a great media pc for church with all the video outputs to all the different screens and not take up much room and run the presentation software really well. I found a i9 12900 with 32gb memory and 1tb drive
Great solution for businesses that will benefit from the small footprint. For a tech savvy home user the price is a little steep...DIY builds will give much better price/performance, perhaps sacrificing some footprint space. Mini PC's like Intel NUC"s are great options for home users looking for affordable small PCs to do the basics and use for automation or for some limited server applications.
Great review as always!! You help me stay up to date on all this stuff I can't afford 😊
Geez.. I want this as my living room VR and MCPC.
Super pro, entertaining and smiling
10:04 Small correction: MXM is the name of a (now defunct) standard connector type for laptops and blade servers. This machine has a Lenovo proprietary connector for the video card.
Get the riser (SKU/FRU 5C51D95675) for it and you can put many half height, full length PCIe x8/16 cards in there, like a SAS9207-8e!
I have one of these and I absolutely love it. I got a ThinkPad Keyboard II bluetooth keyboard to match it too.
Sweet
I get it for the companies that need that power while wanting space and a tiny platform. But at that price you can build a latest Gen AMD ryzen system with a great GPU in it sure it will take a bit more space up and what not.
I think some of the smaller units are pretty nice for those wanting a smaller setup at a lower price. Ideally I like something that can replace a laptop for the office space for our staff. But at the same time it's hard to beat a laptop for some tasks in the data center as well.
My OCD wants to peel the 'protective' plastic off the P360 Ultra badge on the front panel!🤣 Pretty crazy that 10 or 15 years ago, this would have been a 'thin client' that required a network connection just to boot up.😮
If you can get this with an all AMD configuration, pretty sure my dad would buy one.
This guys energy is fucking awesome
Ha! Thank you.
Great review!! Thanks so much!!
It’s funny how the bigger your PC looked the cooler it was. Now it’s the complete opposite. Although huge tower PC with water cooling solutions still look pretty cool.
For pricing as of early March 2023 in the US there seem to be discounts that bring the price down by 1/3, the mid US $ 2,000. Also Lenovo has discount programs with certain groups, International Mountain Bike Association - IMBA, so it might be worth joining to get a discounted price.
Now for the purchasing decision - buy a MINISFORUM Neptune HX99G, or pay twice as much and get the same 1 TB, 64 gig, but more graphics memory, the ability to add 64 GB of memory.
Great points. Many companies also have purchase agreements with Lenovo that bring prices down further. We did not do the HX99G, but yesterday's video was the Minisforum UM690 and that was less than impressive under load. I think that is our second or third Minisforum box, and there is a pretty huge gap in build quality and thermal engineering between Lenovo and Minisforum.
I recently got the M90q gen3 Tiny with Alder Lake processor. It's a beast considering the power consumption. Also comes with a pcie gen4 x8 which should be enough for low profile cards like the nvidia t1000
Awesome! We just snagged a deal on the M80q Gen3 but I prefer the M90q's.
You can put one of those huge video cards into that system.. you have 2 thunderbolt connectors, so you can put a huge external box that's 2 to 3x the size of your tiny box to do it (lol, defeats the purpose of a small case yes, but you can do it, like those that hook them up to notebooks) Love seeing this small systems, been selling Lenovo tinys for over 10 years now
What I was thinking. If you already have one, like we do for our Mac mini, just get one without video and hook up the thunderbolt port.
A more reasonable config:
i7-12700 vPro CPU
32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-4000 RAM
NVIDIA RTX A2000 12 GB GPU
512 GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD (OS Drive)
Intel vPro Wi-Fi 6E + BT 5.1
$2112.00 USD (before tax + shipping)
Very helpfull. Thank you!
@ServeTheHome well love them or hate them, but Display port is the Standart in the Professional user space. and its better than HDMI anyway
Great stuff! 👍
4:15 these are not RJ45 but 8P8C sockets. Let's use tech channels like this one to fix this very common error.
challenges! i’d almost the crazy IRQ conflicts 8:07
I am very surprized how close the 5750G is to the 12900, the 12900 has the same number of "P cores" but it has an additional 8 "E cores"
If i didnt have so much trouble with the iGPU on Ryzen 7000 with TrueNAS Scale, i'd have been very happy with the performance of my 7950x at the chassis' 60-80w thermal constraint.
You can enable ROCm, but it still doesnt really work as well as Intel on TrueNAS, or AMD under windows.
In regard to Thunderbolt ports on Tiny/Mini/Micro machines, I have four HP EliteDesk 800 G5 Minis that were purchased with Thunderbolt 3 ports. They're my home vSAN cluster. I assume newer generations of these machines also have the Thunderbolt option available.
The layout of the two fans by the memory remind me of the steam machine internals by the cpu and gpu
i would love to see these made for people who want a machine this size but with a max power laptop GPU or lower TDP desktop GPU and keeping the laptop possessors while keeping the temps under control while having a integrated PSU. Maybe a more modern minimal design. This would be a great full tower desktop replacement or for people who want to keep a thin and light laptop for on the go and come home to a full power system that they can mount under their desk or behind a monitor.
Wish I could ever understand why put the Thunderbolt ports on the front when devices with that high bandwidth would likely be connected permanently and as such, preferably on a rear facing port.
This is how the Mac Studio supposed to be.
Ew you a mac user?
The place I work actually had 3 of these they where going to BIN! I use one for a Plex server now, transcode 4k/1080 without a problem.
WOW! Lucky find
great review!!!
Thanks!
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hi, can't you help ?
AX211 actually gives you BT5.3, worth mentioning might be also that it can do Wi-Fi 6E
Lenovo's Website also lists the 12900K, but I highly doubt it can keep it cool, might be a typo.
You can only configure the 12900K with a lame GPU (T400). I have the 12900 plus A2000 configuration, and see you can use the Intel Tuning utility to adjust the P1 and P1 power throttling parameters. It looks like if you set the power throttle parameters high, the 12900 ends up being thermal throttle limited at about 149 watts. A custom configuration can also choose ECC memory (not in any standard config).
@@janbottorff4642 you can configure any "K" 125W CPUs but will be limited to the x4 expansion slot for an add-in dGPU. Yes , cooling the 125W CPU requires a larger heatsink which bleeds into the open space of the x16 slot. So any low profile GPU in the x4 slot like the T400/T1000/ WX3200 will work in combination with the "K" CPUs.
The benchmark on the 12g i7 isn't far off from that i9. I wonder what the premium was to step up to the i9 from the i7
I wish they would make something this size, but lower power and storage focused. Lots of nvme and 2.5" ssd.
Not having a integrated power supply should be illegal at it's price point. This is the major difference between mac minis and tiny mini micro. also this and the mac studio.
i have never disliked the power brick! i wish that power bricks would be more customisable because i am a fan of getting all the ac to dc dune outside of pc as that does cut down on heat in the case that starts to matter more and more in sff.
Great review. This seems to be an impressive workstation.
Is there an option to install AMD GPU instead of Nvidia since AMD is more compatible with Linux OS?
Price-to-power, it still doesn't beat the Studio. It certainly comes close, but the electrical power needed, combined with price and other inefficiencies, the mac studio is _still_ a better investment, including the over-priced monitor.
This is the workstation I have been waiting for.
What would be sweet is a reboot of the intel nuc with an RDNA3 version of the custom AMD graphics, in this chassis maybe a little smaller but integrated PSU. Ideally with AVX512 for better emulation performance, so ironically probably an intel-less intel nuc. Pretty much what valve would design now if they were to give steam PC another go.
Almost sounds like a successor to this box that we reviewed. ua-cam.com/video/iaYHtfa1-pY/v-deo.html
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yes, that but on steroids with a fat cooler bolted on. I have a PN50 with 4700u which is fine but the graphics are lacking, fine for a desktop and very light gaming but that's it.
I wish Patric did a review for tmm units with mxm gpu slots.
This product exists so we realize how great the ATX system really is.
I've been considering a P series system, Either the P3 tiny or the P3 ultra, however my usecase wont't really be that of a creative professional, that being said ; the p3 tiny is perhaps the right choice, however given the current 13th and 14th gen reliability issues, I am far more inclined to having a 12gen processor on the Tiny, but the Lenovo PSREF says nothing about the bios support for 12th gen processors (I should mention that the P3 Ultra however continues to ships with 12th gen processors unlike the P3 tiny) would really like an opinion!
Damn that's a nice system!
Awesome ... I would like you to make a video of HP Z2 MINI G9...thanks
P360 Ultra is discontinued, the successor seems to be the P3 Ultra and it seems to be cheaper. Lenovo could send to STH one sample for a review.
This makes an excellent music production pc with 2 ethernet ports I can connect one to my network and one to my nas add two 2tb ssd, there's thunderbolt so my audio Interface will run well, with a usb hub for my keyboard mouse and all, run a really fast system with 64gigs of ram and very low power consumption 24 threads and 16 cores is really good supposing it is atleast 3.8ghz , hell I can even run mac on this, really good value for money than getting a macmini
Hi Vinod - mind sharing what kind of audio interface you use? Looking myself
@ServeTheHome I use a motu 828es and antelope synergycore discrete thunderbolt, both excellent interfaces but If you don't care for thunderbolt then I would recommend motu ultralite mk5 excellent interface if you want more ins and outs if you want 2x2 motu m2 is the best
Brother - what make are those screwdrivers (Red Tops) in your video?
My gawd, that is a chonky power brick!
Why don't they put 2 NIC's on the 1 liter options? The Pfsense crowd would buy those up like hot-cakes.
HP has had a second NIC option, including 2.5GbE options. Here is the info www.servethehome.com/hp-elitedesk-mini-2-5gbe-flex-io-v2-nic-intel-i225-m74416-001/
some IT offices use standard vendor towers not unlike the users and nothing tooo fancy and so the extra port are great for general IO and virtualization type stuff
This strongly reminds me Mac studio. but I like Lenovo P360 more because it runs Windows. :D
Hi, can you tell me how to install the 2.5" HDD on this P360 Ultra ? I bought this machine without the HDD, cos I wish to buy Seagate HDD, But Lenovo Did NOT provide the 2.5" HDD mounting bracket.
Already looking forward to this being cheap in a a several years time second hand 😂
So it's Lenovo's take on Mac Studio.
This case with a AMD new series with a 4090 would be great
I purchased the Dell Precision 3260 last year before this came out. This unit is the identical idea (full 65W CPU compact pc...) and though slightly larger, has a much better design to the Dell. You're paying a large premium especially in the discrete graphics department to equip these machines. The A2000 for example has sub-RTX 3050 performance and costs $500-700.
Great points. We may look at that Dell.
Wouldn't this be cool if you could buy just the chassis, and you could be put in your own custom parts? Would be excellent.
I want one of those with AMD Zen 4!
missed opportunity for a huge heatsink like the mac studio
that pci-e slot is so weird. from the looks of it there is no chance to add a card that has ports to plug cables in it like a usb/network/sound card.
It is a standard low profile PCIe card slot.
Well... nice workstation, for private usage also, but why the hell the 4x SO-DIMM ports are limited to 4000/3600 MHz?
The psref website from Lenovo also says:
"System comes with DDR5-4800 memory and will run at lower speed due to platform limitations: 4x 32GB or four memory DIMMs with WiFi configurations runs at DDR5-3600; other configurations run at DDR5-4000."
That's just unbelievable and a killer for buying.
The price actually surprised me, I was guessing $2500, but that is a rather high end GPU. What does one go for with just the integrated GPU in the i9?
goto lenovo website and spec one yourself.
Depends a bit on the discounts out there. Low end pricing is usually around $1K. Getting a Core i7 with the A2000 was ~$2.3-2.6K.
Neat little box. I just wish there was an option for ecc memory, maybe using the w680 chipset
ECC memory is a configurable option
Wanted one of these, but too expensive, went for a NUc Extreme 12 on runout for $1000 including 16Gb and 512GB ssd.
Awesome 🤤
Patrick, can you recommend a SFF or mini that has a native parallel port? Preferably fanless.
The old Dell machine I was using to run my CNC finally kicked the bucket the other day and I would rather find something newer and reliable to operate it.
Can this machine run Windows Server series OS? Thanks.
When did we start measuring computer cases in metric volume? Not saying it’s a bad idea or anything but it’s been a minute since I have looked for smaller form factor machines.
Feels like I am ordering bottle of soda pop.
That volume rating was more for cubicle planning and is a big driver in the 1L PCs and some of the now bigger ones.
@ServeTheHome Do you know where i could find 3dfiles for the case of the m90q gen1? I have one of those and would like to put in an Asrock ARC A380 6GB LP in it
Hello, please where I can get that "pillow", or what it is with Intel Xeon print? Thank you.
Ha! That was used as a prop at the SC 22 pre-event gala. I was able to take one (with Intel VP approval) after the event when they were debating throwing them away.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Oh, I see. Thanks :)
Wonder how the Ada 6000 would perform as an egpu. And the reasonable power draw and size means there are options for an egpu enclosure
I do not think we are going to show that off in the RTX 6000 Ada review.
The PCIx16 socket, does it allow for bifurcation? Also what about space for 2.5" drives?
There is an optional 2.5" bay. I think you'd have to buy one of these units with a 2.5" drive to obtain it, though.
@@zoopercoolguy Was curious because the PCIeGen3x4 slot would be a good option for a raid controller. (And the x16 slot w Bifurcation could handle 4x Gen4x4 M.2 cards.) Could make an entirely SSD/nvme TrueNas box in a small footprint.
Do you know if Core Ultra 9 285K will join this PC? and when?
Just got a P3. Any tips on rack mounting it?
Hello! I'm not gonna say first, but I will gladly watch it!
Could you please explain why this system cannot reach the full 4800 speed of DDR5, their spec manual says 4000 max.
Per the Intel spec , 4800 is the max speed for single dimm per channel implementation in 12th gen. With 4 dimms slots, there are two dimms per channel thus reducing the max achievable speed. It's a limitation of the architecture.
The lenovo configurator does give "1TB 7200 rpm HDD" by default, but I could not see any place here where sata drive would actually attach ?!
Ho ho, maybe this tool could help in my quest ! Thanks
I would buy this immediately if it came with an AMD processor.
Currently priced at $2800. JFC!! I'll just buy exactly the same hardware for $300 on Amazon.
Mac Studio competitor. Need comparisons.
Great machine!, although I think it's quite an overkill for my needs :P
12:35 Power "Consuption" 🙃
what is that monitor that you used?
How would this work as a trading computer? 3 32in 4k screens running from Sunday evening til Friday evening
Great. Could even use the little Intel NUC we reviewed last week
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks. I see they have a similar unit to the one in this video on sale for half price
How much TDP is the CPU heatstink?
What’s your model? There are many 30g1 or 30g2 ?
Are the hard drives considered enterprise grade
The SSDs are usually consumer class M.2 SSD but OEM versions. Those are usually used in enterprise workstations like this, but also often as boot drives in servers.
Is the CPU socketed like it is on the 1L units? I.e., could I remove it/replace it?