Does that guide count only the killings we've seen? Buffy's the slayer for more than 3 years now and is patrolling nearly every night, I'm quite sure the number is much higher.
@@ulrichs3061 Yeah, I'm wondering if it takes into consideration the number of vampires & possibly demons that she may have killed before coming to Sunnydale. We only saw the one vampire in the flashback after she became a slayer but don't know how many of them that were in the gym that she burned.
@@METerrell It's not only the time before Sunnydale. Somewhere it was mentioned that there are quiet nights and others with more than one vampire. So even if she had to slay only every second night there would be about 500 in Sunnydale.
Giles is probably my favorite character. After Buffy ended there was talk of making a movie about Giles called “Ripper”, but Whedon’s and Head’s schedules never lined up to let it happen. I’d still love to see that film.
I wished they'd explained the origin of the name Ripper. Obviously it's what he was known as in his younger days, but it's never said why - and oddly nobody asks.
it wasn't a movie, actually it was gonna be a series on the BBC. Sadly we never got it, I remember Joss Whedon talking about it at Comic Con around this time.
It chuckles me every time, when demogiles tries to wake up Xander with such gentility. As if that would work by then followed by Xander waking up to the demonic or demonic language. Hilarious
RIP to Giles car, a Citroën DS, called "The Floating Goddess". With its futuristic contours and newly developed technology, the Citroën DS shocked the world at 1955 Paris Motor Show. Almost 1.5 million DS were produced over its 20-year lifespan. It has won countless design awards and achieved a cult status matched only by a select group of cars.
Love this one, such a fun episode and Dak, you really delivered with your reaction to seeing Giles as a demon in the mirror! I think you were more shocked than Giles 🤣
I loved Robin Sachs as Ethan Rayne - he played the part with such flair. Another villain with charisma. And you're wrong about Spike's cheekbones, they do hurt, if you run a finger over them... 😉🤭
Spike is pretty, sexy, funny as hell and crazy smart about human emotion. I agree with the toxic, but I'll have a crush on that vampire until the day i die.
Always a fun ep when Ethan shows up, and to see Giles as a demon that no one besides Spike can understand is definitely a great one... especially when he gets a chance to terrorize his competition in Prof Walsh.... and then the mysterious portent of what is 314... guess I'll be here to see you find out, D! Definitely a CTU for a cheeky ep for sure.... now on to your Angel reaction! Keep em coming!
Another almost too comedic episode! But it was fun especially where Giles chases Walsh down the street. Interesting juxtaposition with Giles having to seek the help of Spike. The Xander, Spike in the basement part painfully funny again. The body swops, personality swops, etc a current theme throughout the whole series for lots of characters. The interminable Ethan Rayne back again causing havoc. A decent little episode and great fun.
Riley has seventeen confirmed kills or captures. For Buffy, that's a moderately slow week. And my take is that Maggie is deliberately attempting to manipulate Giles with that "absence of a strong male role model" BS.
Ahh...yes...room 314... where they store the pie recipes... I am partial to the Apple, Dewberry,, Apricot, and Mango pie... just keep an eye out for the pies...
This one is an adorable episode. Humour, heart, backstory and very relatable themes of miscommunication and difficulties within even the strongest of relationships. Buffy and Giles certainly love one another, but nobody is really at *fault* when social bonds deteriorate. It happens to us all. Life really does get in the way. Riley doesn't get enough props from much of the fanbase for being supportive. They often focus on his blandness (basically comparing him to other male leads unfavourably) but as the show develops many have FAR more egregious and unfair criticism of him imo. Minor spoilers for season 5 below: It's particularly galling when the idea of him feeling emasculated is dismissed as unimportant. That this is simply weakness and his own fault. As if a partner isn't responsible for caring how their lover feels and treating them with dignity and respect. When men fail to support Buffy, it is rightly identified and criticised as a failing of that character, but goodness forbid Saint Buffy have any personal failings. Buffy outright emasculating her boyfriend to their social circle, treating him as an invalid rather than a trained and professional fighter, failing to share her personal life with him... these are all things that are not good. We can love Buffy, see the good in her AND admit she makes mistakes.
Now that BtVS is on TV again in the States, I've been building an archive in my DVR so I can have the episodes on my big screen without effort. I kept every episode of S1-S2, since those are my favorite seasons (come fight me!) but I've been implementing quality control for the later years. I've certainly skipped a few from S4, including this one the first time through. Looking at this, though, I'm reconsidering. Is it brilliant? No, but there's nothing blatantly silly or offensive, and that Giles/Willow/Xander scene that ends Act 1 is made of win. (And we haven't had a good scene between the non-Buffy Scoobs in a while. [I'm still honked about Giles trying to boss Willow around in "Something Blue".]). Plus Ethan is always fun. Thanks for your work.
6:58 : 3.14 is obviously the number Pi... So we know now that demons are scared of mathematics. Everybody bring your best Thales and Pythagore's theorems, and save the world !
Well, if we're ascribing other meanings to numbers, then surely Buffy and Willow's dorm room (214) is a reference Valentine's Day? Yet I haven't seen any B/W smoochies yet. (Unless you count Buffy kissing the top of Willow's head in "Wild at Heart", that is.) OTOH, 214 is also the area code for Dallas TX. So perhaps there's an upcoming episode about Buffy traveling back in time to stop the Kennedy assassination?
@@Jessica_Roth Actually, considering the subtext of Buffy and Faith relationship before Faith turned evil in S3, and Willow's orientation. It could have totally been taken for a serious comment (in the way of you actually wanting it to be a thing), and that's what I assumed. That's the problem with writing, you can easily be mistaken about the tone in which other's comments are made, neither can you be sure that other will get the tone you made yours. So, sorry for having mistaken yours.
you got so hung up on Giles not being deemed a sufficient father figure that you completely missed what the "psychology professor" meant by that, I think. she was saying that Buffy would be far less competent at being a person, like girls should be, if only she had a strong father figure. of course she wouldn't recognise the worth in the relationship between Giles and Buffy, because it's not designed to shape Buffy into a useless, dependent waste. Giles actually respects Buffy and supports her.
Strong disagree on Walsh's intent here. She knows EXACTLY what she's doing AND she has more information than Giles in that meeting. Giles has to walk a VERY careful line to protect Buffy's identity. The professor has EVERY REASON to want to manipulate the situation to gain leverage over Buffy. I'd say it's even a bit heavy handed for manipulation, but it's obviously effective. The woman identifies weakness and attacks it immediately.
@@Tsuliwaensis I just don't think anyone argues that father figure place limitations or undermine independence in women. I'd HOPE they don't, because that's psychotic. If that really IS being taught by psychology professors then I'd say they need to robust opposition from their students, because it is overtly and unapologetically misanthropic (and sexist to both women and men) I am well aware that some areas of social science have become subject to some rather stark bias though, so it could be possible.
@@DmGray Walsh is a villain /and/ a fictional character in a 90s tv-show. /and/ she's the same psychology professor who didn't know the first thing about emotional pain when Willow was grieving the loss of Oz, she's clearly utterly incompetent. as a psychology professor. she slays at being an asshole. oh and a mad scientist, I suppose. 😄
@@Tsuliwaensis I wouldn't say she's incompetent in her role. Teaching psychology and practicing empathy are WILDLY different things. I work with troubled people and many very well educated people who know the *facts* of these conditions and the guidelines for how to deal with them are often still utterly inadequate in person. I've known social workers attempt a standardised interview with *clearly* distressed dementia patients. When the whole point of the assessment was to discover their needs. But it's not Maggy's words I'm disagreeing with. It's the inferences you took from them. I just don't think they're supported. YOUR implication here is that a "strong male role model" would "shape Buffy into a useless, dependent waste." At worst, Walsh was suggesting that Buffy's lack of discipline (from Walsh's perspective) could be founded in lack of a male role model. Which DOES have some supporting evidence in psychology. But you'd have to concede that Buffy lacks discipline. Which she objectively doesn't. She simply doesn't *conform*
Point to remember: Joss Whedon has stated that due to the censorship when the show was airing, they substituted Willow and Tara doing magic in place of them kissing or having sex. So use your own imagination about any of those scenes - because obviously there were times when a spell was just a spell to further the plot. Have fun!
(Surely this is a spoiler? Yes, there's UST…but the same could be said of Giles and Ethan, or Xander and Spike. No need to spoil Dakara as yet…you can always mention this later. Could you please delete your comment, on the chance she hasn't seen it yet? Thanks.)
Giles chasing after Maggie while in demon form will never not be funny. Stay petty, Giles. 😉😆
The Giles and Spike team-up is comedy gold.
Spike and Giles tag team Highlight of the episode 😂
"You were mythtaken" might be my favorite Buffy pun ever.
FYI: Buffy's total kill-count as of last episode onscreen is 78 vampires and 37 demons. This is according to the unauthorized guide "Dusted".
Does that guide count only the killings we've seen? Buffy's the slayer for more than 3 years now and is patrolling nearly every night, I'm quite sure the number is much higher.
@@ulrichs3061 Yeah, I'm wondering if it takes into consideration the number of vampires & possibly demons that she may have killed before coming to Sunnydale. We only saw the one vampire in the flashback after she became a slayer but don't know how many of them that were in the gym that she burned.
@@METerrell It's not only the time before Sunnydale. Somewhere it was mentioned that there are quiet nights and others with more than one vampire. So even if she had to slay only every second night there would be about 500 in Sunnydale.
It's always fun when Ethan Rayne shows up. We get a bonus with this episode. Buffy's birthday and Ethan Rayne. It's a fun episode.
Giles is probably my favorite character. After Buffy ended there was talk of making a movie about Giles called “Ripper”, but Whedon’s and Head’s schedules never lined up to let it happen. I’d still love to see that film.
I wished they'd explained the origin of the name Ripper. Obviously it's what he was known as in his younger days, but it's never said why - and oddly nobody asks.
it wasn't a movie, actually it was gonna be a series on the BBC. Sadly we never got it, I remember Joss Whedon talking about it at Comic Con around this time.
@@RevStickleback I always assumed it was a bit of a play on Rupert the name
It chuckles me every time, when demogiles tries to wake up Xander with such gentility. As if that would work by then followed by Xander waking up to the demonic or demonic language. Hilarious
Giles being petty is a mood. “Nancy ninja boys” 😂 he said that with such bitterness
RIP to Giles car, a Citroën DS, called "The Floating Goddess". With its futuristic contours and newly developed technology, the Citroën DS shocked the world at 1955 Paris Motor Show. Almost 1.5 million DS were produced over its 20-year lifespan. It has won countless design awards and achieved a cult status matched only by a select group of cars.
Love this one, such a fun episode and Dak, you really delivered with your reaction to seeing Giles as a demon in the mirror! I think you were more shocked than Giles 🤣
I loved Robin Sachs as Ethan Rayne - he played the part with such flair. Another villain with charisma. And you're wrong about Spike's cheekbones, they do hurt, if you run a finger over them... 😉🤭
Spike is pretty, sexy, funny as hell and crazy smart about human emotion. I agree with the toxic, but I'll have a crush on that vampire until the day i die.
Willow and Tara in a 'deflowering' scene.
Hmm.
Always a fun ep when Ethan shows up, and to see Giles as a demon that no one besides Spike can understand is definitely a great one... especially when he gets a chance to terrorize his competition in Prof Walsh.... and then the mysterious portent of what is 314... guess I'll be here to see you find out, D! Definitely a CTU for a cheeky ep for sure.... now on to your Angel reaction! Keep em coming!
Another almost too comedic episode! But it was fun especially where Giles chases Walsh down the street. Interesting juxtaposition with Giles having to seek the help of Spike. The Xander, Spike in the basement part painfully funny again. The body swops, personality swops, etc a current theme throughout the whole series for lots of characters. The interminable Ethan Rayne back again causing havoc. A decent little episode and great fun.
All the likes and cheeky thumbs up you want
Great edit
I love Anya too!
It's a popular theory that Giles and Rayne already got a room during their youth.
Riley has seventeen confirmed kills or captures.
For Buffy, that's a moderately slow week.
And my take is that Maggie is deliberately attempting to manipulate Giles with that "absence of a strong male role model" BS.
Ahh...yes...room 314... where they store the pie recipes... I am partial to the Apple, Dewberry,, Apricot, and Mango pie... just keep an eye out for the pies...
Fishwife because she's cold, and she smells brimmey. I may have added the latter.
Fishwife is actually an old slang term. A vulgar abusive woman.
Gilles 😅❤
GiLLes? Whos that? 😉
@@Smido83 my frickin auto correct 🤦🏻♀️haha
This one is an adorable episode.
Humour, heart, backstory and very relatable themes of miscommunication and difficulties within even the strongest of relationships. Buffy and Giles certainly love one another, but nobody is really at *fault* when social bonds deteriorate. It happens to us all. Life really does get in the way.
Riley doesn't get enough props from much of the fanbase for being supportive.
They often focus on his blandness (basically comparing him to other male leads unfavourably) but as the show develops many have FAR more egregious and unfair criticism of him imo.
Minor spoilers for season 5 below:
It's particularly galling when the idea of him feeling emasculated is dismissed as unimportant. That this is simply weakness and his own fault.
As if a partner isn't responsible for caring how their lover feels and treating them with dignity and respect.
When men fail to support Buffy, it is rightly identified and criticised as a failing of that character, but goodness forbid Saint Buffy have any personal failings.
Buffy outright emasculating her boyfriend to their social circle, treating him as an invalid rather than a trained and professional fighter, failing to share her personal life with him... these are all things that are not good. We can love Buffy, see the good in her AND admit she makes mistakes.
Now that BtVS is on TV again in the States, I've been building an archive in my DVR so I can have the episodes on my big screen without effort. I kept every episode of S1-S2, since those are my favorite seasons (come fight me!) but I've been implementing quality control for the later years.
I've certainly skipped a few from S4, including this one the first time through. Looking at this, though, I'm reconsidering. Is it brilliant? No, but there's nothing blatantly silly or offensive, and that Giles/Willow/Xander scene that ends Act 1 is made of win. (And we haven't had a good scene between the non-Buffy Scoobs in a while. [I'm still honked about Giles trying to boss Willow around in "Something Blue".]). Plus Ethan is always fun.
Thanks for your work.
6:58 : 3.14 is obviously the number Pi... So we know now that demons are scared of mathematics. Everybody bring your best Thales and Pythagore's theorems, and save the world !
Oh, such military organizations never save the world, they only destroy it.
Well, if we're ascribing other meanings to numbers, then surely Buffy and Willow's dorm room (214) is a reference Valentine's Day? Yet I haven't seen any B/W smoochies yet. (Unless you count Buffy kissing the top of Willow's head in "Wild at Heart", that is.)
OTOH, 214 is also the area code for Dallas TX. So perhaps there's an upcoming episode about Buffy traveling back in time to stop the Kennedy assassination?
@@Jessica_Roth Ok, kind of a serious answwer.. just in case it wasn't clear enough : my comment was meant to be a joke
@@67Daidalos And mine wasn't? (Although I would welcome either of the plots I referenced.)
@@Jessica_Roth Actually, considering the subtext of Buffy and Faith relationship before Faith turned evil in S3, and Willow's orientation. It could have totally been taken for a serious comment (in the way of you actually wanting it to be a thing), and that's what I assumed.
That's the problem with writing, you can easily be mistaken about the tone in which other's comments are made, neither can you be sure that other will get the tone you made yours.
So, sorry for having mistaken yours.
you got so hung up on Giles not being deemed a sufficient father figure that you completely missed what the "psychology professor" meant by that, I think. she was saying that Buffy would be far less competent at being a person, like girls should be, if only she had a strong father figure. of course she wouldn't recognise the worth in the relationship between Giles and Buffy, because it's not designed to shape Buffy into a useless, dependent waste. Giles actually respects Buffy and supports her.
Strong disagree on Walsh's intent here.
She knows EXACTLY what she's doing AND she has more information than Giles in that meeting. Giles has to walk a VERY careful line to protect Buffy's identity. The professor has EVERY REASON to want to manipulate the situation to gain leverage over Buffy. I'd say it's even a bit heavy handed for manipulation, but it's obviously effective. The woman identifies weakness and attacks it immediately.
@@DmGray I wasn't speaking on her intent and I don't disagree with anything you said. 🤷♀
@@Tsuliwaensis
I just don't think anyone argues that father figure place limitations or undermine independence in women.
I'd HOPE they don't, because that's psychotic.
If that really IS being taught by psychology professors then I'd say they need to robust opposition from their students, because it is overtly and unapologetically misanthropic (and sexist to both women and men)
I am well aware that some areas of social science have become subject to some rather stark bias though, so it could be possible.
@@DmGray Walsh is a villain /and/ a fictional character in a 90s tv-show.
/and/ she's the same psychology professor who didn't know the first thing about emotional pain when Willow was grieving the loss of Oz, she's clearly utterly incompetent. as a psychology professor. she slays at being an asshole. oh and a mad scientist, I suppose. 😄
@@Tsuliwaensis
I wouldn't say she's incompetent in her role.
Teaching psychology and practicing empathy are WILDLY different things.
I work with troubled people and many very well educated people who know the *facts* of these conditions and the guidelines for how to deal with them are often still utterly inadequate in person.
I've known social workers attempt a standardised interview with *clearly* distressed dementia patients. When the whole point of the assessment was to discover their needs.
But it's not Maggy's words I'm disagreeing with.
It's the inferences you took from them. I just don't think they're supported.
YOUR implication here is that a "strong male role model" would "shape Buffy into a useless, dependent waste."
At worst, Walsh was suggesting that Buffy's lack of discipline (from Walsh's perspective) could be founded in lack of a male role model. Which DOES have some supporting evidence in psychology. But you'd have to concede that Buffy lacks discipline. Which she objectively doesn't. She simply doesn't *conform*
314
Point to remember: Joss Whedon has stated that due to the censorship when the show was airing, they substituted Willow and Tara doing magic in place of them kissing or having sex. So use your own imagination about any of those scenes - because obviously there were times when a spell was just a spell to further the plot. Have fun!
(Surely this is a spoiler? Yes, there's UST…but the same could be said of Giles and Ethan, or Xander and Spike. No need to spoil Dakara as yet…you can always mention this later.
Could you please delete your comment, on the chance she hasn't seen it yet? Thanks.)
@@Jessica_Roth It's ok, she's on season 6 now on patreon.