Hi Oto and everyone, I wanted to let you all know that there are two different Schmincke versions of Indanthrone Blue, both using the same pigment. The one Oto used is "Dark Blue"(498), which is the more greener version of the two paints. In the Schmincke brochure it states that this version is a warmer alternative to their "Indigo"(485). The color that is closer in hue to most of the other brands is called "Delft Blue"(482) in the Schmincke Horadam line. It's the more intense and warmer version of the two. You can say that "Dark Blue"(498) is the green shade and "Delft Blue"(482) is the red shade of Indanthrone Blue. I hope this information was helpful to you all🙂
Thank you so much for this info. I did note that in the info sheet but maybe I forgot to mention it in the video. Your info about the hue difference is super helpful, thank you!
Hi Oto! I have both from Schmincke: there is two Indanthrone blues in Schmincke with the PB60: the one you have (Dark Blue) that is the "green shade" and the Delft Blue, that is the "red shade". Both really beautiful! I also have the Sennelier, Daniel Smith, Rosa Gallery and The White Nights ones, they are also nice :) I almost collect them, I'm a sucker for this blue actually :D Thanks for this video, this blue is one of my favourites...
I am just getting started in watercolor, right now I'm buying all sorts of supplies. I read that this person uses Indanthrone blue for shadows, so I've been checking it out. I actually already ordered it, but it turned out that they actually didn't have any in stock. Does anyone here use it for shadows?
I may be in the minority here, but I really love Mission Gold version. It's so dark and saturated version of PB60. I fell in love first timeI saw it. And it doesn't shine so much on rough paper.
I agree! I'm running low on Mission Gold, and I didn't know if replacements were possible, so I came here to find if any other brand had something just as saturated. So imagine my surprise when Mission Gold was the darkest 😅 hahah, but I love dark watercolors, so I admit I'm a little biased here.
Omg yes!!!! Pb60 is one of my favorite blues!!! I have Qor’s pb60 but I think after that tube is gone I’m going to grab a tube of M. Graham. Thank you for doing these color showdowns. They are soooooo helpful!!!
@@OtoKano Yellow Sophie, French vermillion, carmine, permanent magenta, phthalocyanine blue, emerald green, raw sienna and burnt umber. It’s a 10-colour palette that neutralizes in many combinations. Their yellow Sophie and French vermillion are phenomenal and unique. The vermillion is the warmest point on the colourwheel, it’s impressively bright red-orange. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Years ago I took some watercolour lessons for beginners where we brought our own paint. One student came with his Old Holland set and I remember the teacher talking about that since that brand used a different binder it behaved differently from other watercolours. One of the things they were specially good for were lifting, but that same ability would then perhaps cause problems in glazing. Anyway, I haven't tried those paint myself but I remember those discussions making me more interested in how each watercolour brand makes their paint. Perhaps Sade from Sadie Saves The Day has the answers, I've noticed her using some Old Holland paints.
M Graham's PB60 was one of the first professional paints I bought and I have been head over heels ever since. Thanks to Denise Soden for the recommendation. This video just solidifies my choice 💜
PB60 is such a lovely blue. I have M Graham, and the color is smashing, but it has developed a weird graininess. It looks granulating now. My next will be Holbein, I have an instructor that uses it exclusively and it is lovely.
Thank you for these helpful videos. I would love a quick demonstration on how you use the color. Some ideas for how it would work in paintings. Or mixes. 🙂
I have MaimeriBlu’s Faience Blue pb 60 in tube form. It behaves splendidly. No bubbles, beautiful flat even wash. I just pulled it out and swatched it to make sure, and even when vigorously swishing with my brush, I’m getting zero bubbles. I tried with lots of water and very little water, and I cannot get it to produce bubbles. I have found, however, that you get more paint from Maimeri’s tubes as they don’t top up their pans like Schmincke.
Thanks for the video! i absolutely love pb60! White nights has a pretty solid and affordable version as well but I definitely need to try out more versions
It was my favourite blue,but they took it off from sales and replaced with light version,nothing like original one,not near full spectrum...I’m looking this to chose other brand,thinking to go with Mission gold one,that looks darkest one and accessible for where I am.M.Graham over here is like twice the price Mission Gold one is,reason for me to chose that one
Hey Oto, I wonder if the Delftblue by Schmincke would have been a better comparison for these. Their Dark and Delft Blue are both made with PB 60 and listed as indanthrone pigments and it also seems a slight bit more reddish than the other. BTW, both aren't supposed to be granulating, so I guess it's really that you got one of the odd tubes there. I did just download the catalogue in the beginning of 2021, so I was a bit surprised yours is also called indigo. There's an Indigo in the Horadam range, but it's made with two pigments and none of them is PB60, so....
The Dark Blue was called "Dark Blue Indigo" some years ago, I think it's exactly the same color it has been, they just changed the name to seperate their Dark Blue more clearly from their Indigo. It might have caused some confusion. It has the same number (498) and the same color description as in older catalogues (I've got one from 2020 and one from 2016 at home).
yes, I totally wondered about that too, and in the end I just had to pick one at random. I think whichever I picked, someone would've said I should've picked the other one. I have no idea what's going on in terms of the name of my tube though! I made sure that it said PB60 on the tube.
Omgggg this is THE COLOR I’ve been so hoping you’d do!! Thank you so much for your amazing, thorough comparisons!! You are so appreciated!! 🙌💕 I always have to be very carefully with my Mai Meri Blu half pans. They bubble so easily. After watching this I went and experimented with the Mai Meri pb60 pan and compared brushes and motions for picking up pigment. I used my Prolene plus size 10 round (which I think is what you usually use) and my Silver Black Velvet size 10 round, and with both brushes the paint bubbles easily, and a lot after ~6 back and forth motions. Same thing happens when I roll the brushes instead of swiping. However, the paint bubbles very little or not at all when I tap the pan once to drop water and then gently pick up the pigment with a very soft single swipe. I am able to get a pretty heavy color payoff with the gentle method. But all in all, it’s annoying to have to be so careful.
I'm so glad you've been looking forward to this color :D Thank you so much for info about your tests on bubbling with the MaimeriBlu one, it's very useful.
I have to check out my St. Petersburg White Nights now and see how it behaves, but really, there's no comparison to the M. Graham one. I can just stare at it at length, in awe of its beauty 😍
@@Pstrwldchld It really is! It has more of a texture to it, but I LOVE that. I hope you try it someday! Have you tried many other brands before finding the White Nights to be your favourite? 🙂
@@hannahthufvesson I have qor’s pb60 as well. I like it but it’s not my favorite and because it’s so expensive I would rather try others that maybe cheaper but not lacking in quality like M. Graham. M graham is a very good brand and I have several tubes of their colors but I will definitely be trying their pb60 next.
@@Pstrwldchld I maybe won't try the QoR one then! I like some of their colours, but not all that I've tried. I adore the few M Graham tubes I have! Am dying to try more of them in the future. I love how matt they dry!
Hey Oto! I hope you are well and had a great weekend! My palette is primarily made of Daniel Smith, and a few Schmincke colors. Even though I’m not a fan of the honey content in M. graham paints, there are three colors that I prefer over any other brand: Anthraquinone Blue (PB60), Permanent Alizarin Crimson (PR264) and Transparent Red Iron Oxide (PR101). They are staples I can’t go without. :-) Thank you for the comparison, great video as always! :D
I recently looked up pb60 on handprint.com and it seems like the lightfastness varies severely across brands. So I would check that resource out before purchasing this lovely color.
I love indanthrone blue and these comparisons are so interesting! I'm excited for the second half of this color comparison. Maybe I can find some other brands' indanthrone blues that would be worth trying out!
Thank you Oto for your hard work. It is so fascinating to see what you have done with the paints in regards to their abilities such as glazing, lifting, staining, and more.
My favourite blue....I was using White Nights one,but now they took it off sale and replaced it with light version what’s nothing like original one...Thanks to you’re tests now I know I wanna get mission gold one,that one looks full,dark spectrum.Sooo thanks a lot for this video,it helped a lot for me to chose witch one to get
My M Graham PB60 granulates for sure. I bought mine after looking at this video. M graham is the best one for me. This is such a good video , with all the angles, thank you Oto. I do like Schmincke but is not as intense.
Weeeee, new Oto pigmenty goodness! It's funny, when I started painting with watercolours, I was completely convinced that I needed a PB60 in my palette, but someone nice sent me a sample dot to work with and I honestly just never reached for it, so I haven't had the urge since I finally finished it. It's a gorgeous, gorgeous colour, so I'm actually confused as to why I didn't get sucked in!
What is up with Daniel Smith??? My swatch from the dot card looks nothing like it, what were you painting from? DS is my fav version of this pigment (of the few I've tried) because it's the warmest and darkest, although it is quite desaturated compared to others, but I like that. Also, Old Holland isn't staining because it's technically a gansai paint, if you've seen Sadie's video.
Thank you for this, Oto! MG's was the 1st I chose to try regarding this one. The more I applied, the more beautiful it got. It's definitely still my favorite version. 💙 *I have the QOR, no bubbling. I can't recall exactly, but I heard the bubbling had to do with detergent or something? Idk. Xo
Love your series Oto!! Thank you for making these detailed comparisons for the rest of us to enjoy. I use M. Graham's, just love that hue (and price is good in Canada!)
RIP the old PB60. I'm glad I stocked up on this blue (5 tubes in reserve) before it tragically left our world. I love using it in galaxy paintings mixed with Indigo for an ethereal dark blue that glows. It's the closest thing to a true night sky I can make without using black or purple.
Hey Oto~ Indanthrone is one of my favorite colors to work with, on it's own and mixed with other colors, so seening the different versions is wonderful. You mentioned that you're version of PB60 by Schmincke was called "Dark Blue" and I was initially confused because the version I have is call "Delft Blue" and is far darker and red leaning than the one you shared. I didn't even realize they were the same pigment. Thank you for all the work with this pigment series.
Indanthrone blue was the first color which I used for practicing gradated washes, and while I love the shade, it wasn’t a forgiving color (I used Daniel Smith). There were streaks and the paint refused to level, unlike easier pigments like perylenes.
Hi Oto, finally I get to watch your video - I need to take time for this goodness. :) Schmincke Indigo is: PB15:1 + PB66, Dark Blue is PB60 and Delft Blue is PB60 as well, which I actually like a bit more and have in my palette as an all time favourite blue. My dark blue did not rewet well, so the swatch in the database is a bit weak, I now consider reswatching it from the tube. For some odd reason your swatches were all a bit (or a bit more) streaky. The shine of the Mission Gold is just horrible...
I have both m.ghrams Antraquinone and Daniel Smiths Indanthrone because I didn't realize until after they were 'the same'. As in pb 60. I find they are not identical and behave and mix differently. I don't regret having and buying both. M.ghrams is great for mixing black and behaving as a very dark rich tone. So far as I'm still learning and experimenting the Indanthrone seems more violet to me while the other is more 'neutral' and DS mixes more as a blue -violet for me and it is smoother and less staining. They are different enough that I can recommend both. Very deep rich enjoyable tones great also for mixes! Useful and fun video, thanks.
I think the paper is the problems here. I have several of these brands of the same PB60 and I don't have those issues. The thicker the 1st layer of paint is laid on, the harder it is to glaze over it. No bubbling with any of mine.
I was just about to search for glazing techniques because I make this mistake so frequently. Obviously I need a lighter wash to begin but I think there are other things to consider 🙂
ah, disappointing, I just bought a pan of Indanthrene blue from St Petersburg (White Nights) (it is PB60). Would have love to hear your opinion, my only other experience with it was Winsor and newton, but the small amount I've used it, I like it even more than the W&N (I have found that I enjoy watercolor that has honey as a component. The price is very good as well, which is why I have started trying St Petersburg paints.
I don't know if it's a consistent behavior of the pigment, but my Daniel Smith Indanthrone Blue tube is very prone to burping out the paint as the top is unscrewed. Every. Single. Time.
Almost all of my Daniel Smith watercolor tubes do that as well. I now always keep empty pans handy to catch the extra paint. I wonder why that happens.🤔 Oddly enough I though that’s a normal thing until trying schmincke and M.Graham and they never do that.
I don’t know why it does that. However I have a solution that I learned from Teoh Yi Chie on his UA-cam channel: squeeze the bottom of the tube slightly from the sides. But make sure it’s the sides and not front to back or you’ll have even more paint on your hands! This works consistently for me. Be sure the pressure is gentle and you’ll see the paint go back down into the tube. Hope this helps.
In my personal opinion, I believe that using the watercolor paper commonly preferred by watercolorists would lend greater realism and credibility the video you are showing. It is worth considering the practicality and benefits that arise when using the watercolor paper that we, as watercolor artists, commonly rely upon.
I think the sennelier looks the best in these swathes, the DS looks really chalky and dull in comparison to the rest. I think that schmincke's delft blue would have been the better option here as they copied OHs Delft Blue in naming it after the Delftware. I would recommend using more water with OH, they can be pretty syrupy and not handle well when used thickly. For best results it better to layer 2-3 layers of paint and they dont bronze as much
The only way I can tell if a primary is warm or cool is to ask myself what color I'd make with it. Green? It's cool. Purple? It's warm. Haha, I've struggled with color theory for forty years. Please let's not start on additive and subtractive. :)
This is really surprising! I have 3 versions of Indanthrone Blue: Mission Gold, Sennelier and Daniel Smith. I tried to reconstruct your test and my experience differs: No streaks with Mission Gold, more shine with Sennelier and a more intense colour with Daniel Smith (your swatch in the video seems a bit dull compared to the other ones 🤔). I have to admit, that I usually don‘t use them straight from the tubes - they are all very easy to rewet, so I use them out of my pallet. Can‘t say which one I like most - perhaps Mission Gold and Sennelier because of the intensity... 💙
@@OtoKano That could be a point - maybe I‘ll repeat the test with different papers... ☺️ Now as I read it, you told us how easy they are to rewet in the video...😅
Hi Oto and everyone, I wanted to let you all know that there are two different Schmincke versions of Indanthrone Blue, both using the same pigment. The one Oto used is "Dark Blue"(498), which is the more greener version of the two paints. In the Schmincke brochure it states that this version is a warmer alternative to their "Indigo"(485). The color that is closer in hue to most of the other brands is called "Delft Blue"(482) in the Schmincke Horadam line. It's the more intense and warmer version of the two. You can say that "Dark Blue"(498) is the green shade and "Delft Blue"(482) is the red shade of Indanthrone Blue.
I hope this information was helpful to you all🙂
Thank you so much for this info. I did note that in the info sheet but maybe I forgot to mention it in the video. Your info about the hue difference is super helpful, thank you!
The m Graham granulates weirdly if you have hard water. I have switched to distilled water just for this color.
Thanks for the information, 🤗🤗🤗
Hi Oto! I have both from Schmincke: there is two Indanthrone blues in Schmincke with the PB60: the one you have (Dark Blue) that is the "green shade" and the Delft Blue, that is the "red shade". Both really beautiful! I also have the Sennelier, Daniel Smith, Rosa Gallery and The White Nights ones, they are also nice :) I almost collect them, I'm a sucker for this blue actually :D Thanks for this video, this blue is one of my favourites...
Which is your favorite and why? What do you use them for mostly?
@@LCLand It's my favourite pigment (I use Delft Blue by Schminke) and I can tell you it's a stunning mixer too
I am just getting started in watercolor, right now I'm buying all sorts of supplies. I read that this person uses Indanthrone blue for shadows, so I've been checking it out. I actually already ordered it, but it turned out that they actually didn't have any in stock. Does anyone here use it for shadows?
I may be in the minority here, but I really love Mission Gold version. It's so dark and saturated version of PB60. I fell in love first timeI saw it. And it doesn't shine so much on rough paper.
I agree! I'm running low on Mission Gold, and I didn't know if replacements were possible, so I came here to find if any other brand had something just as saturated. So imagine my surprise when Mission Gold was the darkest 😅
hahah, but I love dark watercolors, so I admit I'm a little biased here.
I have a tube of M. Graham’s and I love mixing greys and stormy skies with it!
I love PB60! My favorite is M Graham's, it's such a deep and lovely color
Omg yes!!!! Pb60 is one of my favorite blues!!! I have Qor’s pb60 but I think after that tube is gone I’m going to grab a tube of M. Graham. Thank you for doing these color showdowns. They are soooooo helpful!!!
I use the Sennelier one on my limited palette as a dark neutral blue - it’s fantastic and one of my favorite blues.
That's a great choice. What other colors are in your limited palette?
@@OtoKano Yellow Sophie, French vermillion, carmine, permanent magenta, phthalocyanine blue, emerald green, raw sienna and burnt umber. It’s a 10-colour palette that neutralizes in many combinations. Their yellow Sophie and French vermillion are phenomenal and unique. The vermillion is the warmest point on the colourwheel, it’s impressively bright red-orange. I’ve never seen anything like it.
@@assafshtilman6584 That sounds like a great palette! Thanks for letting me know what colors you have in it.
Years ago I took some watercolour lessons for beginners where we brought our own paint. One student came with his Old Holland set and I remember the teacher talking about that since that brand used a different binder it behaved differently from other watercolours. One of the things they were specially good for were lifting, but that same ability would then perhaps cause problems in glazing. Anyway, I haven't tried those paint myself but I remember those discussions making me more interested in how each watercolour brand makes their paint. Perhaps Sade from Sadie Saves The Day has the answers, I've noticed her using some Old Holland paints.
I have Schmincke indigo and the pigments they use are PB 15:1 and PB66
that lift test on the old hollends is very strange.... right back to the crisp white of the paper, strange, thanks for the video
M Graham's PB60 was one of the first professional paints I bought and I have been head over heels ever since. Thanks to Denise Soden for the recommendation. This video just solidifies my choice 💜
PB60 is such a lovely blue. I have M Graham, and the color is smashing, but it has developed a weird graininess. It looks granulating now. My next will be Holbein, I have an instructor that uses it exclusively and it is lovely.
Me too. I love the color of m graham Indanthrone blue but it’s become (or maybe always was) weird on certain papers in gradated washes.
Thanks Oto. I have M Graham and on cotton paper I have no streaking issues. Love this color. 😀💜 Hope you are well. Take care.
Thank you for the info!
Thank you for these helpful videos. I would love a quick demonstration on how you use the color. Some ideas for how it would work in paintings. Or mixes. 🙂
I have MaimeriBlu’s Faience Blue pb 60 in tube form. It behaves splendidly. No bubbles, beautiful flat even wash. I just pulled it out and swatched it to make sure, and even when vigorously swishing with my brush, I’m getting zero bubbles. I tried with lots of water and very little water, and I cannot get it to produce bubbles.
I have found, however, that you get more paint from Maimeri’s tubes as they don’t top up their pans like Schmincke.
No bubbles with my MaimeriBlu’s Faience Blue pb 60 in tube form either.
It must be a pan only thing! Thank you for testing it out for me.
Thanks for the video! i absolutely love pb60! White nights has a pretty solid and affordable version as well but I definitely need to try out more versions
It was my favourite blue,but they took it off from sales and replaced with light version,nothing like original one,not near full spectrum...I’m looking this to chose other brand,thinking to go with Mission gold one,that looks darkest one and accessible for where I am.M.Graham over here is like twice the price Mission Gold one is,reason for me to chose that one
Hey Oto, I wonder if the Delftblue by Schmincke would have been a better comparison for these. Their Dark and Delft Blue are both made with PB 60 and listed as indanthrone pigments and it also seems a slight bit more reddish than the other. BTW, both aren't supposed to be granulating, so I guess it's really that you got one of the odd tubes there. I did just download the catalogue in the beginning of 2021, so I was a bit surprised yours is also called indigo. There's an Indigo in the Horadam range, but it's made with two pigments and none of them is PB60, so....
I was thinking exactly the same. I love Delft Blue! :)
The Dark Blue was called "Dark Blue Indigo" some years ago, I think it's exactly the same color it has been, they just changed the name to seperate their Dark Blue more clearly from their Indigo. It might have caused some confusion. It has the same number (498) and the same color description as in older catalogues (I've got one from 2020 and one from 2016 at home).
yes, I totally wondered about that too, and in the end I just had to pick one at random. I think whichever I picked, someone would've said I should've picked the other one. I have no idea what's going on in terms of the name of my tube though! I made sure that it said PB60 on the tube.
Thank you. That Daniel Smith doesn't look like an Indathrone Blue at all does it?
Omgggg this is THE COLOR I’ve been so hoping you’d do!! Thank you so much for your amazing, thorough comparisons!! You are so appreciated!! 🙌💕 I always have to be very carefully with my Mai Meri Blu half pans. They bubble so easily. After watching this I went and experimented with the Mai Meri pb60 pan and compared brushes and motions for picking up pigment. I used my Prolene plus size 10 round (which I think is what you usually use) and my Silver Black Velvet size 10 round, and with both brushes the paint bubbles easily, and a lot after ~6 back and forth motions. Same thing happens when I roll the brushes instead of swiping. However, the paint bubbles very little or not at all when I tap the pan once to drop water and then gently pick up the pigment with a very soft single swipe. I am able to get a pretty heavy color payoff with the gentle method. But all in all, it’s annoying to have to be so careful.
I'm so glad you've been looking forward to this color :D Thank you so much for info about your tests on bubbling with the MaimeriBlu one, it's very useful.
I have to check out my St. Petersburg White Nights now and see how it behaves, but really, there's no comparison to the M. Graham one. I can just stare at it at length, in awe of its beauty 😍
Omg white knights pb60 is actually my favorite version. But that M. Graham looks soooo rich and decadent.
@@Pstrwldchld It really is! It has more of a texture to it, but I LOVE that. I hope you try it someday!
Have you tried many other brands before finding the White Nights to be your favourite? 🙂
@@hannahthufvesson I have qor’s pb60 as well. I like it but it’s not my favorite and because it’s so expensive I would rather try others that maybe cheaper but not lacking in quality like M. Graham. M graham is a very good brand and I have several tubes of their colors but I will definitely be trying their pb60 next.
@@Pstrwldchld I maybe won't try the QoR one then! I like some of their colours, but not all that I've tried. I adore the few M Graham tubes I have! Am dying to try more of them in the future. I love how matt they dry!
Hey Oto! I hope you are well and had a great weekend!
My palette is primarily made of Daniel Smith, and a few Schmincke colors.
Even though I’m not a fan of the honey content in M. graham paints, there are three colors that I prefer over any other brand: Anthraquinone Blue (PB60), Permanent Alizarin Crimson (PR264) and Transparent Red Iron Oxide (PR101).
They are staples I can’t go without. :-)
Thank you for the comparison, great video as always! :D
Guess what color is coming up in a couple of months ;) ;) ;) (I'm going to be filming it this week).
I'm so looking forward to this pair of videos. What on earth with that lifting Old Holland?? lol! Thank you, Oto!
Hi Denise :D Thank you so much for watching!
@@OtoKano it's nice to finally be catching up and see you again! This last year's been a doozy.
I recently looked up pb60 on handprint.com and it seems like the lightfastness varies severely across brands. So I would check that resource out before purchasing this lovely color.
I use M. Graham, it's so rich and gorgeous!
I love indanthrone blue and these comparisons are so interesting! I'm excited for the second half of this color comparison. Maybe I can find some other brands' indanthrone blues that would be worth trying out!
Thank you! This is one of my favorite colors. Wonderful showdown 🌺🦩
Thank you Oto for your hard work. It is so fascinating to see what you have done with the paints in regards to their abilities such as glazing, lifting, staining, and more.
You're so welcome Diane, thanks for watching as always :)
My favourite blue....I was using White Nights one,but now they took it off sale and replaced it with light version what’s nothing like original one...Thanks to you’re tests now I know I wanna get mission gold one,that one looks full,dark spectrum.Sooo thanks a lot for this video,it helped a lot for me to chose witch one to get
My M Graham PB60 granulates for sure. I bought mine after looking at this video. M graham is the best one for me. This is such a good video , with all the angles, thank you Oto. I do like Schmincke but is not as intense.
Weeeee, new Oto pigmenty goodness!
It's funny, when I started painting with watercolours, I was completely convinced that I needed a PB60 in my palette, but someone nice sent me a sample dot to work with and I honestly just never reached for it, so I haven't had the urge since I finally finished it.
It's a gorgeous, gorgeous colour, so I'm actually confused as to why I didn't get sucked in!
That's so funny, it's my to go blue, but I rarely reach for Ultramarine :D
I love how everyone has a different go-to blues :D
@@OtoKano M. Graham Ultramarine blue ftw! xD
Maybe because it’s a dot. Psychologically maybe you are saving it for something special to try but then you just don’t?
What is up with Daniel Smith??? My swatch from the dot card looks nothing like it, what were you painting from? DS is my fav version of this pigment (of the few I've tried) because it's the warmest and darkest, although it is quite desaturated compared to others, but I like that.
Also, Old Holland isn't staining because it's technically a gansai paint, if you've seen Sadie's video.
Thank you for this, Oto! MG's was the 1st I chose to try regarding this one. The more I applied, the more beautiful it got. It's definitely still my favorite version. 💙
*I have the QOR, no bubbling. I can't recall exactly, but I heard the bubbling had to do with detergent or something? Idk. Xo
Love your series Oto!! Thank you for making these detailed comparisons for the rest of us to enjoy. I use M. Graham's, just love that hue (and price is good in Canada!)
RIP the old PB60. I'm glad I stocked up on this blue (5 tubes in reserve) before it tragically left our world. I love using it in galaxy paintings mixed with Indigo for an ethereal dark blue that glows. It's the closest thing to a true night sky I can make without using black or purple.
Hey Oto~ Indanthrone is one of my favorite colors to work with, on it's own and mixed with other colors, so seening the different versions is wonderful. You mentioned that you're version of PB60 by Schmincke was called "Dark Blue" and I was initially confused because the version I have is call "Delft Blue" and is far darker and red leaning than the one you shared. I didn't even realize they were the same pigment. Thank you for all the work with this pigment series.
It's so interesting there are so many versions of names on this pigment for schmincke! Thanks for letting me know :)
Schmincke has a second Pb60, its Delft Blue, which I prefer.
Indanthrone blue was the first color which I used for practicing gradated washes, and while I love the shade, it wasn’t a forgiving color (I used Daniel Smith). There were streaks and the paint refused to level, unlike easier pigments like perylenes.
I adore the M Graham version of PB60. I don’t use it a lot, but it behaves well on Arches cold press paper.
It's such a lovely color
Hi Oto, finally I get to watch your video - I need to take time for this goodness. :) Schmincke Indigo is: PB15:1 + PB66, Dark Blue is PB60 and Delft Blue is PB60 as well, which I actually like a bit more and have in my palette as an all time favourite blue. My dark blue did not rewet well, so the swatch in the database is a bit weak, I now consider reswatching it from the tube. For some odd reason your swatches were all a bit (or a bit more) streaky. The shine of the Mission Gold is just horrible...
M Graham's is my favorite followed by Sennelier's.
I have both m.ghrams Antraquinone and Daniel Smiths Indanthrone because I didn't realize until after they were 'the same'. As in pb 60. I find they are not identical and behave and mix differently. I don't regret having and buying both. M.ghrams is great for mixing black and behaving as a very dark rich tone. So far as I'm still learning and experimenting the Indanthrone seems more violet to me while the other is more 'neutral' and DS mixes more as a blue -violet for me and it is smoother and less staining. They are different enough that I can recommend both. Very deep rich enjoyable tones great also for mixes!
Useful and fun video, thanks.
Schmincke has another one called “Delft blue”, also PB60. And that one is more reddish and much smoother.
The M. Graham is gorgeous!
I think the paper is the problems here. I have several of these brands of the same PB60 and I don't have those issues. The thicker the 1st layer of paint is laid on, the harder it is to glaze over it. No bubbling with any of mine.
I was just about to search for glazing techniques because I make this mistake so frequently. Obviously I need a lighter wash to begin but I think there are other things to consider 🙂
My favourite blue pigment
ah, disappointing, I just bought a pan of Indanthrene blue from St Petersburg (White Nights) (it is PB60). Would have love to hear your opinion, my only other experience with it was Winsor and newton, but the small amount I've used it, I like it even more than the W&N (I have found that I enjoy watercolor that has honey as a component. The price is very good as well, which is why I have started trying St Petersburg paints.
I'm glad you're enjoying the WN one :)
@@OtoKano I like the White Nights much more
I don't know if it's a consistent behavior of the pigment, but my Daniel Smith Indanthrone Blue tube is very prone to burping out the paint as the top is unscrewed. Every. Single. Time.
Almost all of my Daniel Smith watercolor tubes do that as well. I now always keep empty pans handy to catch the extra paint.
I wonder why that happens.🤔
Oddly enough I though that’s a normal thing until trying schmincke and M.Graham and they never do that.
That's so interesting! Not had it happen to me yet but I know what you mean, I've had it happen with other brands/colors.
I don’t know why it does that. However I have a solution that I learned from Teoh Yi Chie on his UA-cam channel: squeeze the bottom of the tube slightly from the sides. But make sure it’s the sides and not front to back or you’ll have even more paint on your hands! This works consistently for me. Be sure the pressure is gentle and you’ll see the paint go back down into the tube. Hope this helps.
In my personal opinion, I believe that using the watercolor paper commonly preferred by watercolorists would lend greater realism and credibility the video you are showing. It is worth considering the practicality and benefits that arise when using the watercolor paper that we, as watercolor artists, commonly rely upon.
Paper is more important than a color brand !!! A best Paper like Waterford makes all colors great !!!
I think the sennelier looks the best in these swathes, the DS looks really chalky and dull in comparison to the rest. I think that schmincke's delft blue would have been the better option here as they copied OHs Delft Blue in naming it after the Delftware. I would recommend using more water with OH, they can be pretty syrupy and not handle well when used thickly. For best results it better to layer 2-3 layers of paint and they dont bronze as much
Thanks for the tip regarding OH, it's great to get advice from someone who's used it more.
The only way I can tell if a primary is warm or cool is to ask myself what color I'd make with it. Green? It's cool. Purple? It's warm. Haha, I've struggled with color theory for forty years. Please let's not start on additive and subtractive. :)
Roman Szmal looks like it’s glowing like late evening sky before turning black
Personally, I use PB60 from Rembrandt and haven’t experienced streakiness yet
This is really surprising! I have 3 versions of Indanthrone Blue: Mission Gold, Sennelier and Daniel Smith. I tried to reconstruct your test and my experience differs: No streaks with Mission Gold, more shine with Sennelier and a more intense colour with Daniel Smith (your swatch in the video seems a bit dull compared to the other ones 🤔). I have to admit, that I usually don‘t use them straight from the tubes - they are all very easy to rewet, so I use them out of my pallet. Can‘t say which one I like most - perhaps Mission Gold and Sennelier because of the intensity... 💙
Maybe it's a paper thing? I use Fabriano academia for these tests. They were painted from dry paints as well :)
@@OtoKano That could be a point - maybe I‘ll repeat the test with different papers... ☺️ Now as I read it, you told us how easy they are to rewet in the video...😅