I absolutely love Reef Therapy, I’ve listened to all of the episodes with Jake and Mark and reference the information a lot when speaking with other reefers. It would be awesome to see time stamps on these videos. I like being able to link these videos to fellow reefers who are struggling with their tanks. They are a great source of information when it comes to problem solving. That being said it’s tough to find the parts where they discuss certain topics without time stamps and so many episodes.
Jake - Never underestimate the value of this type of "fish friend chat". I don't have real world fish friends, well not since my teens. So to have friends to speak "tanks" with is worth more than gold. In-depth fish chat with a friend is a part of the hobby that not all people have. Treasure it. Seriously.
Kalk slurry is the new replacement for large tanks. Cheapest option out there, reliable, boosts pH and you can DIY!!!! They didn’t even touch on the shortage of CO2. Good episode dudes. I kinda dig the weird feedback. It makes it retro-Rad.
I think sometimes Jake loses sight on the fact that he’s a professional in a world full of hobbyists. Whether you’re into Jeeps, drones, reefs or sewing, you will always these same levels of enthusiasm. That’s what makes a hobby a hobby. That said, I started to really see better reefing success when I changes my mentallity to “FIRST WE SURVIVE, THEN WE CAN THRIVE”. There is such a focus on the notion that if your tank is growing unrealistically fast with beyond bright colors, then you are failing. Noooo- step it all the way back and just try to keep those dang things alive. I just don’t understand why everyone is rushing to overgrowth… after it’s full, it’s over! Then all you can do is trim it back, let them compete, or wait for some inevitable disaster that is seen or unseen. After all, you can’t run until you can walk.
I love you guys...great talks on real world topics. I was in reefing in the 90's and got out after I got married in 99. Decided to get back into it...and wow! Everything is changed...Better on most everything...Except Live Rock. That is terrible now. I've been digesting hours a day of info and you are one of my mainstays. But...EASY ON THE JEEP BASHING!!
Thanks guys for another therapy :) I am relatively new “reefer” and my 400 gallon system have basic used older equipment. Will be great if I manage to keep everything stable with super simple setup. Listening your channel, I really do not want to go further than basic stuff, simple corals, few fish and that is it.
I think a co2 scrubber is a tool but for a very specific job… I have gas heat in the winter and it drops my ph from around 8.1-8.2 down to. 7.7-7.8 it’s terrible so until I can move locations I use a scrubber in the winter. I also use kalk and have outside snorkels on skimmers and air bubblers all year.
Love your guys episodes. So much good info and honest options. We need more of that. Jake love to hear you throw out discus from time to time. That's what led me to reefing. Had a beautiful collection of discus from Forest via the man Kenny out here in cali
I can relate with the ato rant. The simplicity proposed indeed brings awesome robustness. But i have also learned a single float valve based system with a notification+lockup based on usage limit (like disable if runs for more than 50 seconds in an hour) works even better. Not only it has lesser components, it also alerts and locks up irrespective of the situation. Dual sensor (be it optical , contact or mechanical brings its own set of failures. This is why in reef-pi at the end i settled on single sensor + timeout based disable & notification for reef-pi,s default ATO implementation.
You should have talked about prices of LED lights. I have radion gen 5 and $100-200 Amazon specials lol and I like the Amazon specials better for the price. Results speak volumes
Another good episode. I’d love to hear you guys do a deep dive on saltwater fish acclimation procedures. Drip vs no drip, pH/temp/salinity/lights, shipped vs not shipped, good and bad experiences, etc. There is so much conflicting advice out there and everyone has a theory. Heck there is even conflicting advice from different fish vendors. I think this would make a good session topic from two experienced reefers.
Agree that check valves are not a good method of safety. As far as unions I am not sure I agree. Anything you think you might take apart put a union in. You'll be glad you did when you want to take it apart. This is a much better alternative to having to cut up plumbing and re glue stuff in. While it might be cheaper to cut it and re glue it back together it's often not worth the hassle IMO.
I live in an apartment in NYC and there is no way for me to mount a gravity fed ATO. Space is an issue for most reefers I know. Even when I had the Red Sea Reefer 350 - The built in gravity ATO is was just too small. Just don’t think it’s practical for a large percentage of reefers. I also agree with you that’s it’s the #1 cause of tank crashes.
Jake there is some crazy echo thing going on. Been happening for a while now. Can you guys try to figure out how to get rid of it. I don’t really hear it on Mark just when you speak. It is almost like you have a computer in the background with the volume up and the feed is coming through shortly after you speak.
I did notice that on this episode in particular and tried a few tricks in post to no avail. Scratching out heads a bit on this one but we’ll fix it soon.
I built pools for a couple of years and ive seen some crazy filtration and additive methods that are so crazy… the ideal pool ph for the chemistry is 7.6 but many run at 8.0+ and there really are companies that will convince you to hook at a giant co2 tank and a ph controller to knock it down a couple points and im just like whyyyyy
Great episode and talk. $1000 would go a good way towards an air exchanger for the whole house... we put one in. You will notice the air quality improvement. You see it when you burn bacon. House clears of smoke in just a few minutes. I leave mine on max airflow 24/7. Good for family good for tank. Win, win.
Good to hear! I'm seriously planning for one. Not really for the tanks, but for the family. I live in a humid part of the country, so I'm looking at a ventilating dehumidifier. The CO2 reduction is only one benefit. Pushing in conditioned outside air creates a positive pressure, which improves performance for kitchen range hoods, and helps reduce humidity(as it eliminates unconditioned air infiltration). A lot of building science folks are arguing air exchangers of some sort should be required by building code, give the air tight homes we have today.
That’s a brilliant idea to make a Dino tank, cause if you can keep it alive you know have the knowledge to kill it lol. I’m still saying low phosphate and nitrate cause Dino’s, that’s why it’s a NEW PROBLEM. Raising iron I feel helps as well but is not the eliminating factor Nano tanks are king for messing with Dino’s cause they have such wild nutrient swings VS a large system
Do I get tired of saying that? No! A simple glass box, saltwater, metal halide, rocks, skimmer and maybe a pH monitor. For additives we have the Instant Ocean to mix water, some backing soda/ soda ash, kalkwasser and aminos. That's all we need, besides fish, inverts and some LOVE!
FOLLOW UP question for JAKE: I've asked you before about the difference between saltwater beneficial bacteria and freshwater beneficial bacteria. Today I rinsed my ceramic media in fresh water to remove detritus. The rinse was sudo-vigorous but performed over a short duration. I expect that there will be little die off though I have no way of proving it I'd assume. MY QUESTION: In nature, at the mouth of a river emptying into the ocean, where salt and fresh water mix, or even in brackish marshes and ponds, what kind of bacteria lives there? A hybrid? Further, at the river's mouth where fresh and salt water mix - is there a clear line - physically I mean - where fresh and saltwater beneficial bacteria live? Is there a no-man's land in between? or is that "land" populated by brackish water beneficial bacteria?
All due respect to you guys on the topic of Heterotrophic bacteria supplementation, but your missing the reason for the application of the bacteria. Yes, dosing bacteria will lower your nutrient levels through de-nitrification, potentially bottoming out your N03 and P04. But if you feed heavy, fish and coral, it can help manage these nutrients. Coral will consume bacteria as a food source. Coral can readily consume N03 from the water column, but can't with P04. Phosphate is necessary for corals to be able to grow. Bacteria consume P04 and then corals can consume the "gut" laden bacteria, thus getting the P04 through this process. For us that feed heavily, three to four times a day, broadcast feeding, bacteria dosing once a week makes a huge impact in controlling nutrients. Mark, I'm assuming that the reason your tank nearly crashed when you dosed bacteria while away was the lack of input nutrients for them to consume. Possible that your tank sitter didn't feed as much as usual or you didn't need to dose bacteria in the first place. JMTCW Don
All good points, and I agree that bacteria have their place in dosing. But I was just trying to say that dosing them isn't harmless. A lot of the items we talked about were examples of stuff that may not help, but can't hurt. But in the case of bacterial additives, I think they can be bad in the wrong context. I've tinkered with them a few times, and haven't personally had good experiences. But I am not a heavy feeder. In the latest case, the fish were fed with an auto-feeder like they always are.
Corals actively assimilate inorganic phosphate from the water column via sodium-phosphate symporters (transport proteins) that are in both the animal and the algal symbiont. They do not need to “eat” bacteria to obtain phosphate (phosphorus).
can you please name the bacteria and in what bottles they come in? can you also include the life cycle and dietary needs of each bacteria? you are speaking of bacteria as a blanket statement but if you are buying it then its specific and you should be able to identify strains
@@andygirone7442 The formulations are proprietary but we know what the important species and genera are. Dr. Tim outlines them in one of his talks. All of the major manufacturers likely have a mixture of those. Strain-level differences probably don’t matter. Not sure what you mean by “life cycle.” So you mean metabolic state or growth phase? Bacteria don’t have “life cycles.” Also not sure what you mean by “dietary needs.” All nitrifying bacteria garner energy from the oxidation of ammonia or nitrite, and get the carbon requirements via the Calvin cycle. They get phosphorus by assimilating inorganic phosphate through proteins that transport those ions into the cell.
@@Trenton.D ua-cam.com/video/7Lh-M-rX86Q/v-deo.html I'm not sure why you would say there is no life cycle? Kinda makes everything else you say unbelievable as well 😉 ua-cam.com/video/EzAr4L1Sag4/v-deo.html
I have a mili Colony that has grown like a weed for a year. It has started stn in the middle of branches. Flow? Nutrients? Nitrate 3.5 Phos 0.03 to 0.07
Also had a dino issue after dosing bac in a bottle. I think starter 🦠 is great for startup of dry rock and for use in hospital/ qt tanks. bottled bacteria should not be used on any mature reef tanks.
PS I would love a conversation on "balance" My 150g has only an internal sponge filter and lots of live rock, corals and a balanced amount of ammonia producing livestock. So that's just one item that is in balance... a good list on things that need to be in balance... 🙂
i do not like bacteria in a bottle because it means now my system will be matured/stabilized with constant external supplement of microbiome. By any means (be you discontinue, or changed required dosing amount) if that addition is not made, there will be consequences. To me constant addition of external microbiome (especially when we don't know the strains, but experienced the long term withdrawal consequences) is not a conventionally cycled reef tank. May be this will be a new norm (maintaining tanks with constant addition of external biological additives), but i doubt. Because the ROI is not there. It much easier to mature a tank by conventional strategy of stabilizing chemistry (nutrient export) and pesky issues (GHA/cyano etc). Any reefer once goes through those pains and learns to live through those, might loose interest in their long term usage. I will still use microbacter 7 and similar with for new tanks with dry rock. But i will not do this going forward if i have access to existing established tank water, rocks etc. Even if smaller quantity.
I would add ICP to the list.. If 99 corals in my tank are doing great and 1 millepora is missing a tiny tint of pink, I wouldn't go on a rampage adding 9 bottles of trace elements with before and after ICP tests :) my inspirational tanks were not photographed on smartphones because it did not exist yet.. :) . Your call out for the guy with minimal equipments..I can be a contender for that , not the the budget reasons, but I firmly believe each equipment you add to the tank can create exponential number of problems.. in my line of profession we call it fault tree analysis and simple risk management...
Exactly. People doing and recommending ICP analysis as if they know what the appropriate ranges for all of those elements are “supposed” to be. They don’t and if they say they do they’re lying.
In defense of all the major reputable “bacteria in a bottle” companies, I’m pretty sure they all say you need to monitor phosphates and nitrates as to not bottom them out. Dr. Tim’s explicitly says this, as well as Brightwell’s products I think. As far as basic case studies, BRS is the only one staring to explore the effects. The problem, as Daddy Jake said, is that it’s anecdotal (like most things in this hobby); there’s been no controlled designed experiments. I’m surprised Mark wasn’t corrected on the theory vs. hypothesis word choice. “My theory but no proof.” 🙃
Picked up this Phyto kit: poseidonreefsystems.com/products/phytotank-complete-kit It's been amazing. A nice dark green solution after 8 days, and couldn't be easier.
I absolutely love Reef Therapy, I’ve listened to all of the episodes with Jake and Mark and reference the information a lot when speaking with other reefers. It would be awesome to see time stamps on these videos. I like being able to link these videos to fellow reefers who are struggling with their tanks. They are a great source of information when it comes to problem solving. That being said it’s tough to find the parts where they discuss certain topics without time stamps and so many episodes.
Jake - Never underestimate the value of this type of "fish friend chat". I don't have real world fish friends, well not since my teens. So to have friends to speak "tanks" with is worth more than gold. In-depth fish chat with a friend is a part of the hobby that not all people have. Treasure it. Seriously.
Kalk slurry is the new replacement for large tanks. Cheapest option out there, reliable, boosts pH and you can DIY!!!! They didn’t even touch on the shortage of CO2. Good episode dudes. I kinda dig the weird feedback. It makes it retro-Rad.
I think sometimes Jake loses sight on the fact that he’s a professional in a world full of hobbyists. Whether you’re into Jeeps, drones, reefs or sewing, you will always these same levels of enthusiasm. That’s what makes a hobby a hobby.
That said, I started to really see better reefing success when I changes my mentallity to “FIRST WE SURVIVE, THEN WE CAN THRIVE”. There is such a focus on the notion that if your tank is growing unrealistically fast with beyond bright colors, then you are failing. Noooo- step it all the way back and just try to keep those dang things alive. I just don’t understand why everyone is rushing to overgrowth… after it’s full, it’s over! Then all you can do is trim it back, let them compete, or wait for some inevitable disaster that is seen or unseen.
After all, you can’t run until you can walk.
I love you guys...great talks on real world topics. I was in reefing in the 90's and got out after I got married in 99. Decided to get back into it...and wow! Everything is changed...Better on most everything...Except Live Rock. That is terrible now. I've been digesting hours a day of info and you are one of my mainstays. But...EASY ON THE JEEP BASHING!!
So true about the gameboy/jeep analogy. First question you'll be asked when you trade it in is: "Do you still have the original wheels for that?"
Thanks guys for another therapy :)
I am relatively new “reefer” and my 400 gallon system have basic used older equipment. Will be great if I manage to keep everything stable with super simple setup. Listening your channel, I really do not want to go further than basic stuff, simple corals, few fish and that is it.
I think a co2 scrubber is a tool but for a very specific job… I have gas heat in the winter and it drops my ph from around 8.1-8.2 down to. 7.7-7.8 it’s terrible so until I can move locations I use a scrubber in the winter. I also use kalk and have outside snorkels on skimmers and air bubblers all year.
Love your guys episodes. So much good info and honest options. We need more of that. Jake love to hear you throw out discus from time to time. That's what led me to reefing. Had a beautiful collection of discus from Forest via the man Kenny out here in cali
I can relate with the ato rant. The simplicity proposed indeed brings awesome robustness. But i have also learned a single float valve based system with a notification+lockup based on usage limit (like disable if runs for more than 50 seconds in an hour) works even better. Not only it has lesser components, it also alerts and locks up irrespective of the situation. Dual sensor (be it optical , contact or mechanical brings its own set of failures. This is why in reef-pi at the end i settled on single sensor + timeout based disable & notification for reef-pi,s default ATO implementation.
You should have talked about prices of LED lights. I have radion gen 5 and $100-200 Amazon specials lol and I like the Amazon specials better for the price. Results speak volumes
Another good episode. I’d love to hear you guys do a deep dive on saltwater fish acclimation procedures. Drip vs no drip, pH/temp/salinity/lights, shipped vs not shipped, good and bad experiences, etc. There is so much conflicting advice out there and everyone has a theory. Heck there is even conflicting advice from different fish vendors. I think this would make a good session topic from two experienced reefers.
"Land-speed coral-growing record". Amazing. Yoink.
How are you guys still under 10k subscribes?! You guys blow my mind every episode.
Agree that check valves are not a good method of safety.
As far as unions I am not sure I agree. Anything you think you might take apart put a union in. You'll be glad you did when you want to take it apart. This is a much better alternative to having to cut up plumbing and re glue stuff in. While it might be cheaper to cut it and re glue it back together it's often not worth the hassle IMO.
Best way to finish off my Friday at work appreciate everything you guys do!
The best podcast and therapy
I live in an apartment in NYC and there is no way for me to mount a gravity fed ATO. Space is an issue for most reefers I know. Even when I had the Red Sea Reefer 350 - The built in gravity ATO is was just too small. Just don’t think it’s practical for a large percentage of reefers. I also agree with you that’s it’s the #1 cause of tank crashes.
Jake there is some crazy echo thing going on. Been happening for a while now. Can you guys try to figure out how to get rid of it. I don’t really hear it on Mark just when you speak. It is almost like you have a computer in the background with the volume up and the feed is coming through shortly after you speak.
I did notice that on this episode in particular and tried a few tricks in post to no avail. Scratching out heads a bit on this one but we’ll fix it soon.
I built pools for a couple of years and ive seen some crazy filtration and additive methods that are so crazy… the ideal pool ph for the chemistry is 7.6 but many run at 8.0+ and there really are companies that will convince you to hook at a giant co2 tank and a ph controller to knock it down a couple points and im just like whyyyyy
Nice conversation about reefing. But not seeing something you guys are seeing was painful.
Great episode and talk. $1000 would go a good way towards an air exchanger for the whole house... we put one in. You will notice the air quality improvement. You see it when you burn bacon. House clears of smoke in just a few minutes. I leave mine on max airflow 24/7. Good for family good for tank. Win, win.
Good to hear! I'm seriously planning for one. Not really for the tanks, but for the family. I live in a humid part of the country, so I'm looking at a ventilating dehumidifier. The CO2 reduction is only one benefit. Pushing in conditioned outside air creates a positive pressure, which improves performance for kitchen range hoods, and helps reduce humidity(as it eliminates unconditioned air infiltration). A lot of building science folks are arguing air exchangers of some sort should be required by building code, give the air tight homes we have today.
I love this episode! I learned so much.
That’s a brilliant idea to make a Dino tank, cause if you can keep it alive you know have the knowledge to kill it lol. I’m still saying low phosphate and nitrate cause Dino’s, that’s why it’s a NEW PROBLEM. Raising iron I feel helps as well but is not the eliminating factor
Nano tanks are king for messing with Dino’s cause they have such wild nutrient swings VS a large system
Do I get tired of saying that? No! A simple glass box, saltwater, metal halide, rocks, skimmer and maybe a pH monitor. For additives we have the Instant Ocean to mix water, some backing soda/ soda ash, kalkwasser and aminos. That's all we need, besides fish, inverts and some LOVE!
Nailed it
Great episode!
FOLLOW UP question for JAKE: I've asked you before about the difference between saltwater beneficial bacteria and freshwater beneficial bacteria. Today I rinsed my ceramic media in fresh water to remove detritus. The rinse was sudo-vigorous but performed over a short duration. I expect that there will be little die off though I have no way of proving it I'd assume. MY QUESTION: In nature, at the mouth of a river emptying into the ocean, where salt and fresh water mix, or even in brackish marshes and ponds, what kind of bacteria lives there? A hybrid? Further, at the river's mouth where fresh and salt water mix - is there a clear line - physically I mean - where fresh and saltwater beneficial bacteria live? Is there a no-man's land in between? or is that "land" populated by brackish water beneficial bacteria?
All due respect to you guys on the topic of Heterotrophic bacteria supplementation, but your missing the reason for the application of the bacteria.
Yes, dosing bacteria will lower your nutrient levels through de-nitrification, potentially bottoming out your N03 and P04. But if you feed heavy, fish and coral, it can help manage these nutrients.
Coral will consume bacteria as a food source. Coral can readily consume N03 from the water column, but can't with P04. Phosphate is necessary for corals to be able to grow. Bacteria consume P04 and then corals can consume the "gut" laden bacteria, thus getting the P04 through this process. For us that feed heavily, three to four times a day, broadcast feeding, bacteria dosing once a week makes a huge impact in controlling nutrients.
Mark, I'm assuming that the reason your tank nearly crashed when you dosed bacteria while away was the lack of input nutrients for them to consume. Possible that your tank sitter didn't feed as much as usual or you didn't need to dose bacteria in the first place. JMTCW
Don
All good points, and I agree that bacteria have their place in dosing. But I was just trying to say that dosing them isn't harmless. A lot of the items we talked about were examples of stuff that may not help, but can't hurt. But in the case of bacterial additives, I think they can be bad in the wrong context. I've tinkered with them a few times, and haven't personally had good experiences. But I am not a heavy feeder. In the latest case, the fish were fed with an auto-feeder like they always are.
Corals actively assimilate inorganic phosphate from the water column via sodium-phosphate symporters (transport proteins) that are in both the animal and the algal symbiont. They do not need to “eat” bacteria to obtain phosphate (phosphorus).
can you please name the bacteria and in what bottles they come in? can you also include the life cycle and dietary needs of each bacteria? you are speaking of bacteria as a blanket statement but if you are buying it then its specific and you should be able to identify strains
@@andygirone7442 The formulations are proprietary but we know what the important species and genera are. Dr. Tim outlines them in one of his talks. All of the major manufacturers likely have a mixture of those. Strain-level differences probably don’t matter. Not sure what you mean by “life cycle.” So you mean metabolic state or growth phase? Bacteria don’t have “life cycles.” Also not sure what you mean by “dietary needs.” All nitrifying bacteria garner energy from the oxidation of ammonia or nitrite, and get the carbon requirements via the Calvin cycle. They get phosphorus by assimilating inorganic phosphate through proteins that transport those ions into the cell.
@@Trenton.D ua-cam.com/video/7Lh-M-rX86Q/v-deo.html
I'm not sure why you would say there is no life cycle? Kinda makes everything else you say unbelievable as well 😉
ua-cam.com/video/EzAr4L1Sag4/v-deo.html
I had a good and bad experience with micro bacter clean and razor. They did what they said, but did make my yellow tang sick and stopped eating.
I have a mili Colony that has grown like a weed for a year. It has started stn in the middle of branches. Flow? Nutrients? Nitrate 3.5
Phos 0.03 to 0.07
Cleanup crew for long strands of hair algae. The best grazers are your own hands!
Also had a dino issue after dosing bac in a bottle. I think starter 🦠 is great for startup of dry rock and for use in hospital/ qt tanks. bottled bacteria should not be used on any mature reef tanks.
G dam I miss jake
There is something wrong with voice strong echo when jake talks
Great episode, I'm right with you on this subject!
PS I would love a conversation on "balance" My 150g has only an internal sponge filter and lots of live rock, corals and a balanced amount of ammonia producing livestock. So that's just one item that is in balance... a good list on things that need to be in balance... 🙂
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i do not like bacteria in a bottle because it means now my system will be matured/stabilized with constant external supplement of microbiome. By any means (be you discontinue, or changed required dosing amount) if that addition is not made, there will be consequences. To me constant addition of external microbiome (especially when we don't know the strains, but experienced the long term withdrawal consequences) is not a conventionally cycled reef tank. May be this will be a new norm (maintaining tanks with constant addition of external biological additives), but i doubt. Because the ROI is not there. It much easier to mature a tank by conventional strategy of stabilizing chemistry (nutrient export) and pesky issues (GHA/cyano etc). Any reefer once goes through those pains and learns to live through those, might loose interest in their long term usage. I will still use microbacter 7 and similar with for new tanks with dry rock. But i will not do this going forward if i have access to existing established tank water, rocks etc. Even if smaller quantity.
Did a lil too much microbacter7 and got bad Dino . I agree with mark it can cause issues
Sound has been rough. This episode and the saving money episode with the Canadian bills in the thumbnail
I would add ICP to the list.. If 99 corals in my tank are doing great and 1 millepora is missing a tiny tint of pink, I wouldn't go on a rampage adding 9 bottles of trace elements with before and after ICP tests :) my inspirational tanks were not photographed on smartphones because it did not exist yet.. :) .
Your call out for the guy with minimal equipments..I can be a contender for that , not the the budget reasons, but I firmly believe each equipment you add to the tank can create exponential number of problems.. in my line of profession we call it fault tree analysis and simple risk management...
Exactly. People doing and recommending ICP analysis as if they know what the appropriate ranges for all of those elements are “supposed” to be. They don’t and if they say they do they’re lying.
Truth!
What’s the quick comment from Ryan about bio media not making things better in reality?
In defense of all the major reputable “bacteria in a bottle” companies, I’m pretty sure they all say you need to monitor phosphates and nitrates as to not bottom them out. Dr. Tim’s explicitly says this, as well as Brightwell’s products I think. As far as basic case studies, BRS is the only one staring to explore the effects. The problem, as Daddy Jake said, is that it’s anecdotal (like most things in this hobby); there’s been no controlled designed experiments. I’m surprised Mark wasn’t corrected on the theory vs. hypothesis word choice. “My theory but no proof.” 🙃
Had a resplendent angel back in 1980 do not remember exactly what I paid but it definitely was less than 100
Hey Jake when you get Reef related stuff for your birthday just send it to me
VCA makes 1 1/2" and 2" rfg nozzles fyi
Picked up this Phyto kit:
poseidonreefsystems.com/products/phytotank-complete-kit
It's been amazing. A nice dark green solution after 8 days, and couldn't be easier.