I think that those red scoops are just removing cooling capacity… It would be better to have a snorkel coming directly from above , down to the edge of the bumper opening. With this configuration shown some amount of heat is sucked in at low speeds.
probably going to be the same as every other gr86 taking off the charcoal filter. the results from doing that seem to be anywhere from 5-8hp, and you get that with pretty much any intake, or, again just by removing the charcoal filter. It's very placebo as far as actually feeling the performance.
That's actually a really cool concept/idea. IF/when I get an 86, I'm definitely going to be picking up all these parts. I wonder if they'll make something like this for the 2015-20 WRX? Velossatech makes one (which I have) but it's an interesting and temperamental design that could be improved.
What i see is that it picks up some cold air from the bottom than heats it up running after two super hot radiators wich are giving all their heat to an upcoming air flow which flies directly to this air duct system and heats it than puts a well heated air in you intake, making all this enginiring worthless...Magical design flaw. Correct me if im wrong.
Agreed, though I’m not even sure those ramps are doing much to redirect airflow. Question if there is any ‘ram’ effect at all. Let’s not forget the stock intake is incredibly well optimised, and will be very hard to beat.
Hey, do you guys mind sharing the specs on the yellow 57dr you guys are running on your 86. Im thinking about getting the open box pair you guys have. Also, do you mind sharing alignment specs? Did you guys shave the rear tabs? Are there any spacers or aftermarket control arms?
The only way to "ram air" into a naturally aspirated engine is to, make it no longer naturally aspirated. You can supple cooler air, but you cant actually force any additinal air volume into the engine. The NA engine will draw in whatever air it can based on atmospheric pressure and thats all you get.
ram air intakes are designed to use the car's speed to increase static pressure. So typical designs use a scoop with a wide opening that tapers into the intake manifold. But yea you're still better off just going force induction at that point cause how much more air are you really getting in there. I do think the FA24 can make decent use of a ram intakes due to being a high compression motor though
@@ninchalla_creates Thats the marketing talking. As soon as that air hits the filter it gets slowed right back down. Its a giant obstruction directly in its path, no matter how free flowing it claims to be. At that point you will get whatever volume of air the engine is capable of taking in. Thats it. There is no additional volume of air making its way into the cylinders at any point. Drawing the cooler air in from down below may be of some benefit though.
@@boost331 Ah that's a fair point. I failed to take that into account. I guess also to your point the engine can't compress air more than what's given since there isn't any positive or induced pressure on the intake manifold. So even if there was no filter what would actually happen is a localized build of static pressure that doesn't make it to the engine to begin with
I was nervous driving with my velossa tech in the rain but this being lower would worry me more. Not to mention that the bottom part is just directing air only when moving. If stuck in traffic you are sucking in the hot engine air
Seems kinda pointless. You barely show the parts, which are pre-prod 3D prints, fast forward through the install so fast we can't even tell how it all goes together and what the install entails, and most importantly, zero objective data evaluating the performance. I guess you're just trying to build hype for an upcoming product, but if what you have is still a 3d print, that seems too soon, too.
This design does not look like it was airflow tested either, just looking at it, I can tell that at speed it will create some turbulent air inside and those scoops wont be very effective since you need a closed system to hold air as it picks it up. Plus you should NEVER block airflow to the radiator. As-is these engines run hot on the stock radiator. To anyone wondering, the stock intake with the charcoal filter delete and a basic K&N filter will get you 95% of the best intake design out there. The only thing better would be to route the air from the front of the car, ideally from a headlight or a newly created hole. And the design would be similar to an F1 design in which the air enters into a larger chamber of air where it can be somewhat "compressed"(usually like 0.1 psi) but that has to be designed perfect or it can rob you of power at higher speeds instead.
@@JupiterxBlues I really liked the Perrin cai. I miss the cai from my crx and integra type r where the cai routed down down near the ground behind the bumper
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I think that those red scoops are just removing cooling capacity… It would be better to have a snorkel coming directly from above , down to the edge of the bumper opening.
With this configuration shown some amount of heat is sucked in at low speeds.
very interested to see the numbers and all that once it’s completed
probably going to be the same as every other gr86 taking off the charcoal filter. the results from doing that seem to be anywhere from 5-8hp, and you get that with pretty much any intake, or, again just by removing the charcoal filter. It's very placebo as far as actually feeling the performance.
Would be good to record what it sounds like stock to get a better comparison. Nice upload 👍
That's actually a really cool concept/idea. IF/when I get an 86, I'm definitely going to be picking up all these parts.
I wonder if they'll make something like this for the 2015-20 WRX? Velossatech makes one (which I have) but it's an interesting and temperamental design that could be improved.
This is what I've been looking for. I may not have to fab a setup, now!
This basically just looks like the GruppeM style intake Japan has had since the first gen
The question is...can you access the filter without removing the bumper?
What i see is that it picks up some cold air from the bottom than heats it up running after two super hot radiators wich are giving all their heat to an upcoming air flow which flies directly to this air duct system and heats it than puts a well heated air in you intake, making all this enginiring worthless...Magical design flaw.
Correct me if im wrong.
Agreed, though I’m not even sure those ramps are doing much to redirect airflow. Question if there is any ‘ram’ effect at all. Let’s not forget the stock intake is incredibly well optimised, and will be very hard to beat.
Hey, do you guys mind sharing the specs on the yellow 57dr you guys are running on your 86. Im thinking about getting the open box pair you guys have. Also, do you mind sharing alignment specs? Did you guys shave the rear tabs? Are there any spacers or aftermarket control arms?
The only way to "ram air" into a naturally aspirated engine is to, make it no longer naturally aspirated. You can supple cooler air, but you cant actually force any additinal air volume into the engine. The NA engine will draw in whatever air it can based on atmospheric pressure and thats all you get.
ram air intakes are designed to use the car's speed to increase static pressure. So typical designs use a scoop with a wide opening that tapers into the intake manifold. But yea you're still better off just going force induction at that point cause how much more air are you really getting in there. I do think the FA24 can make decent use of a ram intakes due to being a high compression motor though
@@ninchalla_creates Thats the marketing talking. As soon as that air hits the filter it gets slowed right back down. Its a giant obstruction directly in its path, no matter how free flowing it claims to be. At that point you will get whatever volume of air the engine is capable of taking in. Thats it. There is no additional volume of air making its way into the cylinders at any point. Drawing the cooler air in from down below may be of some benefit though.
@@boost331 Ah that's a fair point. I failed to take that into account. I guess also to your point the engine can't compress air more than what's given since there isn't any positive or induced pressure on the intake manifold. So even if there was no filter what would actually happen is a localized build of static pressure that doesn't make it to the engine to begin with
Doest it fit yhe 1st gen of frs brz and 86?
I was nervous driving with my velossa tech in the rain but this being lower would worry me more. Not to mention that the bottom part is just directing air only when moving. If stuck in traffic you are sucking in the hot engine air
Seems kinda pointless. You barely show the parts, which are pre-prod 3D prints, fast forward through the install so fast we can't even tell how it all goes together and what the install entails, and most importantly, zero objective data evaluating the performance. I guess you're just trying to build hype for an upcoming product, but if what you have is still a 3d print, that seems too soon, too.
Do we have a price range estimate? Asking for parts budgeting purposes :3
$1500
It’s useless. Factory is already cold air
Not if it’s being pulled from the engine bay
@@ez8308 I don’t thin you know too much about cars. Every car now pulls air from outside.
@@ez8308 I don’t think you realize what a cold air intake is. 90% of all car manufacturers design it to pull air from the outside now.
This design does not look like it was airflow tested either, just looking at it, I can tell that at speed it will create some turbulent air inside and those scoops wont be very effective since you need a closed system to hold air as it picks it up. Plus you should NEVER block airflow to the radiator. As-is these engines run hot on the stock radiator.
To anyone wondering, the stock intake with the charcoal filter delete and a basic K&N filter will get you 95% of the best intake design out there.
The only thing better would be to route the air from the front of the car, ideally from a headlight or a newly created hole. And the design would be similar to an F1 design in which the air enters into a larger chamber of air where it can be somewhat "compressed"(usually like 0.1 psi) but that has to be designed perfect or it can rob you of power at higher speeds instead.
@@JupiterxBlues I really liked the Perrin cai. I miss the cai from my crx and integra type r where the cai routed down down near the ground behind the bumper