The Fruit of the Loom Discrepancy
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It would be legendary if Fruit of The Loom went full mad lad and started putting cornucopias on every 10,000th underwear
Well great, now they're gonna see your comment and do exactly that. This is indeed where the fun begins.
And it's hand drawn badly to make it seem like a hoax.
Ryan my man, this is mad genius level of genius.
Calm down Satan
Thats a bit much. If they did it for every 1,000,000 underwear noone woukd be able to prove it
The weird thing is, I dont specifically remember seeing the logo with a cornucopia, but when I see the logo with a cornucopia it just looks correct. It doesnt look like something was added
Same!
I remember it having it !
snake
Same
Omg that’s the same I don’t remember it but it looks right
I'm from germany. Fruit of the Loom is a brand that I've only come across in recent years (about 5 years ago I didn't even know it existed), despite this I can distinctly remember the Cornucopia in the Logo and being mind-boggled once I've found out via Mandela Effect Videos that it does not and never did have the Cornucopia there. Thanksgiving is a holiday which is not being practised a lot here and any equivalents rarely have that specific kind of basket depicted. What freaks me out about it the most, is how the "mock-up" version of the Logo with the Cornucopia depicted is straight up 100% exactly how I remembered it, perfect placement, colouring and artstyle.
Ya it’s fucked. I asked my mom as a kid what that weird thing was. That’s where I learned it from. And yes it’s weird that the random photoshop that made it right is so so right so close to what I remember it to be. Weird huh
Exactly, not only did i remember their being this cornucopia thing in the picture but the cornucopia in the fake logo is picture perfect of how I remember it.
Also ich kenne das auch nur mit dem Korb, ich wusste noch nicht mal wie das Ding auf deutsch heißt bzw. Was es darstellen sollte…
i know there was one bc i wanted one of their shirts so bad, i was 13 and when i got it i saw the logo on the shirt i sat 15 minutes on the floor in my room loking at the logo bc i didnt underatand what the Cornucopia was back then so i looked at it very closely for an extended amount of time so i know that it was there FOR A FACT. and then 5-6 years later i saw it on a mandela effects video on yt and i was 100% sure they are false bc i will always remember it bc it was my first shirt from them and i looked at the logo SOO much.. SO i went to get the same shirt i got when i was 13 from my closet and somehow the Cornucopia wasn't there anymore. it shook me to my core and i couldnt stop thinking ab it for WEEKS. bc i KNOW for a fact there was one. it is creepy as hell and i don't know if we will ever be able to understand this. but i know every detail of it perfectly bc i looked at the logo sooo much. its a vivid memory for me it was my first shirt from them and i will never forget it.
No you don't remember it being there. You're mistaken.
I have an extremely distinct memory of tracing the logo, cornucopia and all, exactly as it appears in recreations. Most mandela effects are easily explained away as faulty human memory, but this one drives me insane whenever I remember it.
You should be someone who watched Dolly and Jaws in 007 movie! Dolly had Braces!
yeah man there is totally a parallel universe for an underwear logo you arent crazy its all a conspiracy to hide the cornucopia because..... uh.... reasons... yeah its totally not just false memories that we have scientifically proven happen all the time. you know that time you lost your car keys??? you didnt lose them it was a parallel universe you fell through where your keys were in a different place!!! totally real and not BS!!!
@@NextWorldVRyeah that one has always stuck out to me. The whole point of that iconic smile was the braces.
She sure did @@NextWorldVR
Well, this is obviously just a coverup by Big Cornucopia.
Nelson Mandela has informed me that Big Pharma actually wants to cover it up, cornucopias hurt their image of the GMO crop world
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nice
Should have said corpucopia
This was low hanging fruit🤓
The Mandela Effect is an elaborate publicity stunt to advertise The Twilight Zone reboot.
You know to much
@ꓘ〣K
Some of the episodes are good but people get too nostalgic.
And here I thought it was a Zelda boss.
@ꓘ〣K The original was awsome and well made with dedication
I really think the cornucopia was a real deal and I’m 15 and remember it
The Fruit of the Loom logo is literally the only “Mandela Effect” I have ever felt even slightly concerned about.
All the others are very easily explained away by human error (common) or weird multiple versions (rare). This… this is the only one that stands out.
It’s also the only one where I distinctly remember the “other” version. I fully remember that cornucopia, in that exact configuration. Like all the Berenstain Bears and Febreze and monocle Monopoly man ones are “Huh? Really? Whelp, I remembered that one wrong…” but I fucking *remember* that cornucopia. What the actual hell…
Maybe youre a ghost and you dont know. But all of us in the comments do 😮
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Check the link--you're not crazy.
Right??? Because this is one thing I can remember and many others as well? So why do millions of us think the fruit of the loom logo had the cornucopia?? What’s the answer? So if so, what’s the reason behind all of us so many people have this confusion? What’s the answer of why we are mistaking it to be with the cornucopia? So wild I’m actually concerned 😂
No because I distinctly remember owning a pair of school shorts as a child with the cornucopia and wondering what it was like I refuse to believe my mind somehow made that up
In my memory -- there was a cornucopia. I also remember specifically looking at a Fruit of a Loom product years ago, and wondering when they changed the logo. I had merely assumed they were rebranding their logo for a modern generation.
Its in the san marino grocery in the casino movie
yeah man there is totally a parallel universe for an underwear logo you arent crazy its all a conspiracy to hide the cornucopia because..... uh.... reasons... yeah its totally not just false memories that we have scientifically proven happen all the time. you know that time you lost your car keys??? you didnt lose them it was a parallel universe you fell through where your keys were in a different place!!! totally real and not BS!!!
They always had both with and without it, but some reason only advertised without it. At least majority of the ads did.
This 💯. I noticed when it changed too and just thought they were changing their logo
Same.
Isn’t it crazy how the recreations of the cornucopia are drawn exactly how we remember it...exactly like we never saw it.
yeah
It doesn't look how I remember it
Goddamn I remember telling my mom what’s that thing behind the fruit on the tag of my shirt. I think things were changed.
@@MedroffYT I think you mistook it for a cornucopia. You probably saw one before, like in class, but your mom wasn't around to be asked. Then you saw the logo
@@MedroffYT I have to agree with the ventriloquist magician, you definitely asked a teacher, not your mom.
They should honestly add the cornucopia, it looks better with it
Well, I don't think they're going to add a cornucopia after 170 years just because it would look better.
@@jihadszn why not that would be like saying Pepsi wouldn't change the logo just because they've been using it for so long and honestly with how prevalent means the internet culture is with corporate life nowadays I could totally see this happening
Hard disagree
Nah
Correction- it looked better
I grew up in the UK, had some fruit of the loom undershirts. I had never seen a cornucupia anywhere else, always thought that thing was called a loom. My brain would not have been able to make a connection to Thanksgiving because Thanksgiving imagery basically doesn't exist in Europe, why would it? We don't even have any holidays similar to it, not that I know of at least. This whole mystery really bugs me lol
Exactly the same story here. Also grew up in the UK, didn't celebrate Thanksgiving, or even know much of anything about it, and learned about the cornucopia from the FOTL logo.
I grew up a Jehovah's Witness and didn't do thanksgiving, but I remember seeing the cornucopia too.
The cornucopia is a harvest festival thing in general. It came from the Romans, so it logically came to England before the US.
@Kirsten I don't recall ever seeing the image of a cornucopia during Harvest Festival, do you? I only ever recall seeing it on the FOTL logo, and being particularly struck by it because I didn't know what I was looking at. If it had ever been a common feature of Harvest Festival imagery, it wouldn't have had that impact.
you just misremembered
The weird thing for me is, I can genuinely remember when I turned 13-14 and thought to myself “since when did they take the loom(cornucopia)part off the logo?”
But I also remember a time where I would compare my Tshirts and some had the cornucopia and some didn’t, which led me to believe one was a replica
You really had shirts with the cornucopia and without at the same time? When did the change happen for you? For me it changed around 2003/2004. I haven't seen it after that.
They gone be rare and vintage 💰 👀
@@Schnipp08I remember the change in like 2015…since everyone’s times are way off it’s definitely just a Mandela effect.
Maybe when I actually payed attention to the logo that’s when I came to think that they changed it when it fact it never had it.
I distinctly remember NOT seeing the cornucopia as a kid, but looking at the logo with it added in, it just feels like it's suppose to be there.
The logo feels so unbalanced without it.
Something isn't right.
Most people probably saw the fake logo and it just looked right so they get the thought that thats the way it always was
But theres a lot of evidence to show people have remembered it that way anyway which is so crazy to me
Supposed*
you are from this reality and those who remember the cornucopia, have jumped to your parallel world
Huh, this was pretty cool. I too remember it with a cornucopia honestly.
Didn't expect to see you here.
Because it had one.
@@PatrickM-nw3ss do you have proof?
Roanoke what are you doing here
I LITERALLY DUG THROUGH AND DESTROYED MY DRAWERS LOOKING AT MY T SHIRTS AND UNDERWEAR TRYING TO FIND THAT DAMN CORNICOPIA AND FOUND NOTHING...
I SWEAR THEY WERE THERE BEFORE I WATCHED THIS VIDEO
I was a child when I learned the word Cornucopia, I asked my mom what the thing was on the logo on the underwear pack she bought me. She said it’s a decorative horn. My father corrected her and said it’s called a Cornucopia. He said it’s just a table decoration. This memory is crystal clear and there’s no way it wasn’t there. She bought me and my brothers Fruit of the Loom, all from the local Kmart.
Yess, a lot of people had that experience. This whole thing is weird
Believe your own memory.
I remember being at church and there was a big cornucopia with canned goods inside and I asked my parents what it was and asked why the church has the underwear basket thingy!!
I'd bet you anything it was from Microsoft Word clip art or something like that. I tried finding the collection of clip art from Word 2003 but apparently it was all online, and Microsoft took it down many years ago. But from the depths of my memory I seem to remember papers in elementary school having a very similar image on them, probably printed around Thanksgiving. If so, I wouldn't be surprised if so many people were exposed to it because was everyone likely assigned to write papers about Thanksgiving as a child, and clip-art was the cool thing to use. So kids probably saw it used in school fliers and stuff, if not their own papers. There was probably one top result every time someone searched for "Thanksgiving" clip art so a ton of people used it. Just a theory though, yall can tell me if this rings any bells.
UPDATE May 2023: I was able to find a copy of the original MS Word clipart database - someone put it on the Internet Archive site, and you can find it if you Google "Microsoft Clipart Collection SVG". On there they also have a link to a searchable page. There are definitely plenty of cornucopias when you search "Thanksgiving". As for why it's still the case for people outside the USA, the cornucopia images also seem to appear when you search "holiday", "fall", "autumn", "fruit", "food", "seasons", and other keywords. So that definitely could have still been it.
I think it predates MS Word; I mean as far as memory can be trusted anyway. I distinctly remember learning what a cornucopia was from finding an image of one in a clipart library I used some time in the 90s; could have been WordPerfect, Harvard Graphics or Aldus (now Adobe) PageMaker. Maybe CorelDraw, but I think it was before that.
I'm from England so it's not possible that Thanksgiving had anything to do with why I vividly remember the cornucopia, yet I still do despite only seeing the logo once or twice
Not just Ms word, but yeah this prob makes the most sense. Elementary school work for Thanksgiving, cuz that's when most kids in the us even learned what a cornucopia is
It showed up in the san marino grocery in the casino movie
@@caocaoholdingaplushie6022 yeah thats a movie mate. If they put the real logo, they get sued if they havent paid first, so they have to change the logo (like add a cornucopia) to have it be considered parody.
Who drew that exact image of the cornucopia? EVERYBODY seems to remember exactly that drawing so we only need to find whoever drew that
you're speaking straight facts here. You need more likes
@@adrianpaul1985 It’s someone who put a stock image that looked closest to the fruit of the loom artstyle, desciribing what they thought it looked like. It’s not important to find who made the image
@@squidfrick2239 my dude that is exactly the logo though.
@@Gunplabro It isn’t. Captain D literally explained in his video, it’s a stock drawing of a cornucopia
@@squidfrick2239 What they're saying is that exact cornucopia that Emp is using is overwelmingly the one everyone remembers.
The strangest thing to me is that the drawing is EXACTLY what it looked like. It’s not like I remember a cornucopia, but the drawing isn’t how I pictured it. The cornucopia is drawn COMPLETELY the same.
@Crumbsly alright mr memory man explain how I distinctly remember asking my mom what the cornucopia was when I was a kid
@Crumbsly If our memories are that unreliable then idk even know what to believe in anymore.
@@Astrothunder_ it’s not that it’s unreliable it’s just been optimised through millions of years of evolutionary programming to min-max certain traits to ensure you manage to survive long enough to reproduce offspring. Remembering the logo on your underwear probably isn’t going to help you in that sense.
if anything, that is proof that it never existed. If there was no real cornucopia, then it would be easier to trick your brain into thinking it was one particular drawing of one. This kind of memory manipulation has been documented and tested over and over again
@@YesHumphreyAppleby yes, and my younger brother does too. I asked him to describe the fruit of the loom logo and first thing he said was “well there was this horn or something”
My friend said he had Fruit of the moon clothing with the cornucopia when he was younger. When asking his mom, she confirmed the cornucopia and said they she used to get knock off clothing for cheaper at the local flea market. This is a big factor I think some of these brand Mandela effects can be explained with. Just figured I’d share this thought.
lmao nice
That still doesn't explain how no one has been able to produce a single piece of clothing with the cornucopia on it. If these off-brands were common enough to fool so many people, then there should still be plenty floating around.
@@diney7085Who do you know holds onto undergarments for over 10 years?
@@natdl691i collect vintage, i see knock off clothes from all eras. Not anything new 😂
@@rickkrollvintage 30 year old tighty whiteys? I hold onto clothes too, but theyre usually my nice shirts or jeans
The strangest thing, to me, is that living in Italy I've never associated Fruit of the Loom to underwear, but only to t-shirts, sweatshirts or hoodies. I've nevers seen Fruit of the Loom underwear.
Do you remember it with a cornucopia? Do you celebrate Thanksgiving in Italy? lol
@@gordonshumway6128 are you trying to be funny :D ? I don't remember any cornucopias, btw. And obviously no, we don't celebrate thanksgiving, but some sort of "harvest celebration" is still celebrated in some rural zones.
Same here in Slovenia. I've seen (and had) Fruit of the Loom T-shirts but never underwear.
@@gordonshumway6128 classic american, not even fully understanding their own traditions. Obviously Italians and europeans in general aren't celebrating Thanksgiving lmfao
T shirts are (or can be) underwear. Fruit of the loom makes underwear, undershirts, t shirts, socks, stuff like that.
Don't forget the actually named "Jiffy" Cornbread mix.
I wonder how many people will read your “the” as “they”
@@DrTocan I feel called out
Jiffy pop
It's pronounced "giffy"
In a jiffy
Fun Fact: EmpLemon is actually green irl. The footage he shows of himself is not edited. He is actually a goblin.
Is it just me, or is this Emp's face reveal? I don't remember him showing his full face before...
@@rkplblenny He did show his face before... several times at that. He was just very sneaky in doing so, kinda as an easter egg, so you had to be perceptive to catch that
So HE is the one controlling my brain? Fuck you,man, you didn't have to make me dumb and sad.
@@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180 Take him out and BEAT HIM
@@rkplblenny he did it as a joker emp in one of his recentish videos, it was shown for a long time and not super hidden... but he was wearing makeup (assuming joker emp is him and not just melvin: brother of the joker with a shaved beard)
Man, I remember sitting in front of the TV over 30 years ago seeing a FotL commercial, thinking that the cornucopia was the "loom", and asking my mom what it was - and that was when I learned what a cornucopia was, just like you said so many other people remember learning what it was.
I remember folding laundry in the 90s, seeing the logo with the cornucopia on a tag on a white tshirt, thinking how weird it is to have a fruit basket on non-food item.... no one can convince me that didn't happen. I looked at it in a lot of detail.😅
There was only one reason that I know what a cornucopia is.. and that reason is the Fruit of the Loom logo and the commercial they had back in the day with all the fruits dancing and the Cornucopia was there in the commercial.
It's literally How I Learned what that word is
I read that there is an animator who remembers watching/producing this add somewhere too.
I was just trying to find that commercial . remember it too.
@@andrewhouse93 yeah this one and the Shazam one hit me the hardest. And I'm not trying to brag about this I'm just using it to prove the point.. but I have been super proud of how well my memory works my entire life and I have been given hundreds of compliments on it. I literally equate my life, to my collection of memories.
So obviously this stuff weirds me right out. And then realizing that it's not just me, but countless others that just completely deepens how weird it is.
@@RottingFarmsTV I remember it clearly. They were all part of like a jazz band and it was over-the-top corny on purpose.
@@andrewhouse93 the commercial I remember they were all like part of a jazz band and the commercial was over-the-top corny on purpose.
dude I remember so clearly looking on the logo off it and wondering what that brown thing is, this is insanely hard to believe
Shit stain
@@quantumpuddles7591 Lol
Same
sAme.
Mandela effect does not affect everyone which is why a consensus will never be attained, on one side you have people who remember things differently and know for a fact their memory isn't false, on the other side you have non-affected people calling us crazy because they just aren't affected so they don't have the same memory.
These logo's and random things changing are just scraping the surface tho, for me i spent 20 years of my life on one version of earth, and the last 3 on a totally different one. Still don't know why it changed tho, and impossible that it's just false memories, literally impossible, especially since most of my family remembers the same earth i do. Not all tho, which is why it's so difficult for the unaffected people to understand what we're going trough.
Damn, if you had asked me before this video if the logo had a cornucopia, I'd have said yes.
At least, you think so now. But who knows what we'd really say if someone asked what the logo looked like, without mentioning a cornucopia?
I am quite sure it has on some slot machines.
What if you were asked what was in the logo without mention of a cornucopia? Do you think you’d include it then or could it be there because someone suggested it might be?
The power of suggestion is, well, powerful 🤷♂️
Hope you’re doing well max!!
I’m Swedish and I distinctly remember believing a “loom” was a cornucopia until I watched the hunger games, based on the tag in my Green Day t-shirt with the text “fruit of the loom”. The logo is very distinctly different from how most logos look here in Sweden so it stuck out to me, because it was on all of the band shirts, and the cotton was particularly scratchy
find the tshirt and check then, lol
I am British and in my late twenties, and I also remember the cornucopia. I remember learning about it from Fruit of the Loom. Most Mandela effects don't get me, but this one really has.
I remember when I heard about the Mandela effect and someone said the cornucopia was part of it and I was like, “what people think the cornucopia isn’t there?” Only to feel horrified that the controversy is that the cornucopia actually apparently never existed. I never felt more freaked out by the Mandela effect.
It really is one of the most glaring ones.
But the Berenstein Bears will always be my #1, because I was an AVID reader of those books and would read them religiously for years growing up. It was never BerenstAin and I will take that to the grave
@@steviechampagne With the Berenstain Bears thing, I feel like it's something I would have thought was funny as a kid, like "BerenSTAIN Bears? Like berry-stained bears?" And you'd think some people would have pronounced it with "stain" instead of "stein" but I never once knew anyone who said it that way.
There are some Mandela Effect things that are bogus though, I remember distinctly as a kid wondering about why Curious George didn't have a tail so I know that's just people misremembering things
The cornucopia scares the fuck outa me
Dude I'd never heard of Berenstain Bears until I read about it as an example of the Mandela Effect, guess how I pronounced it.. No it's not a crazy inconsistency
The C3PO one blew my mind. He's entirely gold-colored, right? Look again. Yeah, my mind was blown by that one.
On one hand, I remember the with a cornucopia, on another, I remember there being no cornucopia at all
Schrodinger's underpants.
SAME HERE. I remember only fruits being there, but now after seeing the cornucopia, I feel like I remember it being there now and it's freaking me out
@@alexthibodeau979 You probably only remember it being there because you're thinking about it now so your brain subconsciously makes the association.
😆
Poggers
Implanted memories are a thing
I distinctly remember that cornucopia too. I'm starting to believe that in the mid-90s, when I was still a young kid, there was another brand of "something" out there that had this rip-off fruit-of-the-loom logo with a cornucopia. It might have not even been a clothing brand, it might have actually just been fruit. But I remember seeing that logo.
The kid jiffy one makes extra sense too because of jiffy muffin mix. It’s totally likely they’re mixing the name of the jiffy box onto the jif peanut butter jar.
I remember a few years ago thinking “oh they got rid of the horn,” but I had no idea that the horn never existed to begin with!!!
this is exactly what I was going to say, I thought it was just a case of brand simplification
I had a similar experience. I too remember the horn being part of the logo. Then recently I purchased shirts of this brand and noticed the horn was gone. I assumed it was just a redesign. Watching this video about the horn never even existing was surprising.
It's weird... after the first time I watched this, I inquired about the _Fruit of the Loom_ logo to my dad while visiting him. Figured since he was born in the early 60's, that he was old enough to give an interesting response, and he doesn't use the internet so his recollection wouldn't be tainted by people discussing the phenomenon. I did my best to not prime his mind, and to let his recollection be his own. He, too, recalled the cornucopia, but here's the kicker: "cornucopia" wasn't a term he was very familiar with. When I talked to him about it, I had to explain to him what a cornucopia was. The term he himself had used for the object was "Loom", as in "Yeah, [that brown basket thing is] the Loom", which makes me wonder if there was some prominent TV show or movie in the past that made a joke about the "Loom" in _Fruit of the Loom_ being a cornucopia or basket. And from there, the thought jumped culturally from person to person until it had infected everyone's mind with the idea. A "meme' in the literal sense. I can almost see the scene and hear the dialogue in my mind, it feels like a natural joke to make. I dunno.
If it interests you, i'm a native spanish speaker and even though most of the media that i watch is in english i have no idea what a Loom is
And i never paid much attention to the logo but whenever i read "fruit of the loom" first thing to pop in my head was the fruits not in a cornucopia but in a kind of glass bowl (more like a plate than a bowl idk how to explain it) because that's how generally my mother displays the fruit on the table
So maybe people that remembers the cornucopia didn't know what a loom is either and their brain just went to how fruit was displayed in their home
@@elielsolares8695 I think that's a reasonable hypothesis. For reference, a loom is a large device that weaves yarn together into a fabric. "Fruit of the Loom" is a reference to how their product is produced using looms. "- is the fruit of -" is an archaic English saying for "this one thing is derived from another", in reference to fruit being from trees. In other words the company's products are "fruit of the loom".
Even though a loom (or modern versions of such) are vital products to modern society, they are rarely encountered by day to day people. It's not too surprising for even a native speaker to be unaware of what a "loom" is, exactly.
On another note, I know exactly what you mean by fruit being displayed in a bowl-like glass container, because that is also a somewhat common way of displaying fruit in the US. Though you will usually see fake plastic fruit (for decorative purposes), rather than real ones. Using a real cornucopia to display produce isn't common at all except for maybe on Thanksgiving or similar holidays during the Fall season. Even then, you usually see it in pictures or art rather than an actual, physical one. I imagine it was more common many decades ago, but probably not for nearly a century. Which still begs the question: "Why did their minds go to a cornucopia, rather than a glass bowl or plate like you described?"
@@the_real_Kurt_Yarish I actually just recently learned what a cornucopia is, and I still remember the cornucopia even though I had never heard of one before. Also, the drawing of the cornucopia is the exact same version everyone else remembers. Weird, isn't it?
@@Umkarz Bro, the Mandela Effect usually doesn't affect me, like I know for a fact Pikachu never had black on the tip of his tail, but the cornucopia is definitely vivid in my mind. But even while I was watching this video, my mind began to question itself, wondering if I ever had thought there was one there to begin with, or I if I just THOUGHT I thought there was one there... 🤔
i grew up thinking that brown thing was a loom too.
I remember the cornucopia on the fruit of the loom logo but my memory of seeing was always on the outer packaging that would be discarded. I even remember a conversation with my brother after our parents bought a pack for us about the “brown thing in the background” and you showing the image of the logo with it in the background is spooky to me. That’s exactly how I remember it looking. One day, I noticed a package and thought “oh they must have gotten rid of the brown thing in the back”. It’s the one mandela effect that really creeps me out.
I thoughtt the cornucopia was called a loom 💀
Me too and I will die on the cornucopia hill. DO NOT DOUBT YOUR OWN MEMORY. Too many AI bots in the comments gaslighting us!
I'm gonna get a bit speculative, crazy-graphic-designer here. If you didn't know, there are eight principals of composition in art, one being rhythm. It's basically the elements of a composition that guide you through a piece. I'm wondering if people are adding in the cornucopia to help repair the logos rhythm. As of now, its a bit bland. You see the colorful fruit, then you read the logo. But with the added cornucopia, your eyes take a diagonal path downwards (tip of cornucopia to leftmost leaf), and end up at the start of the text. Its a more interesting, natural-feeling line than the original design, so it feels wrong when the cornucopia's missing
Yes, but for many people (including me) this logo is how they recall learning about the word cornucopia and the idea behind the word, so how could they be implanting the shape of a thing they didn't know existed before?
*Meanwhile in an alternate universe*
“Didn’t the Fruit Of The Loom logo never have a cornucopia?”
"Didn't the Fruit of the Loom logo have fruits?"
"Didn't the Fruit Of The Loom exist?"
"Didn't the Fruit of the Cornucopia logo have a loom on it?"
Yes I'd like to order one Large sofa chair, with extra chair, please.
Highchair! No. no. no. Recliner! And, Wheelchair on half.
Those are the people we switched realities with lol
I blame elementary school Thanksgiving decorations and books. I've seen more cornucopias in my time in elementary school than I have in the other 16 years of my life
yeah, like every crappy, blurry printout that's been rescanned and reprinted 8 times, always has a cornucopia around now
let me get my crayons and color in my fruit and cornacopia
Cornucopias seemed like a pretty big deal at one point
I blame reddit for you existing in your current form
@@JordanScottMills I blame reddit for becoming a cesspool
I am Italian and was born in the 2000s so I never really knew Fruit of the Loom because it wasn’t popular during my childhood, but once for a school play I had to buy a plain orange t-shirt and my dad (who’s from the 70s) suggested we bought a Fruit of the Loom one from Amazon. I vividly remember seeing the cornucopia on the label, although I didn’t know what it was and thought it was a willow basket. I think that this shows how I was not influenced from the reality to resemble the cornucopia with the logo, because I didn’t know what thanksgiving was nor did I ever see it on the TV because it’s really not a thing in Italy. Craziest part is that both me and my mom remember not giving this shirt away (even though I bought it when I was 11, I still have a lot of shirts from my childhood and they still fit me, so I don’t get why I should have thrown it) but, looking in my drawers and closet I can’t find it. It still leaves me shocked to this day. I don’t think this “mystery” will ever be solved, but we’ll se…
This exact thing happened to me, but I live in Germany and my school printed t shirts for a sort of music festival. I vividly remember the logo with the cornucopia, and I actually found the t Shirt, and it doesn’t have the tube thingy!
I’m Brazilian but deeply into globalized American culture (yay!!), I swear I had absolutely no idea what were you talking about until you showed the version with the cornucopia. I immediately remembered it, I don’t know where it’s from, but i recalled having the distinct thought about how weird is having a logo with a cornucopia when I first saw it, but quickly dismissed it thinking it was just an American thing I couldn’t get.
I swear we’re onto something here, there’s references about it, but literally it never existed? I never really understood the crase about the Mandela effect until now, I mean, some things are easy to forget or to get confused about (like Pikachu’s tail) but this?…
I was 6 years old in a target, when I asked my mom what the thing behind the fruit was. That was the first time I ever heard the word.
Same thing here and...I also remember it being in a target
Same story . Exact same story.
Same story, except I'm not american so I was at Soriana.
Same here, except it actually will happen in the future when I start to missremember my underwear purchases due to the sheer amount of information I consumed in this video and in the comment section. My body is ready.
target
Damn there’s something poetic about a UA-cam pooper discussing underwear.
Damn, you right.
Deep.
And there's also something poetic about how your username fits into this.
Phone Thief lmao true!
@@PinkieRockStar878 there's also something poetic about how you said "fits into"
One thing missed was in the 1990’s in the UK there was (and still is with other brands) a HUGE market of fake clothing. There were loads of market stalls selling fake FOTL T-shirts and many of them actually had the cornucopia on the label. I personally had a selection of them in different colours. It was a plain T just with the logo on the label and left side of the chest. I’ve probably still got an old grey one in the spare room or garage storage box’s.
find it and it will crack the code
To be perfectly honest my life has become such a shit show, I’m extremely happy to think this is just an alternative universe where things went really wrong. I hope the “real me” in an alternate universe is healthy and happy
Same here.
If thinking about being healthy and happy makes you extremally happy, then just become healthy and happy. You can control that, no excuses; I don't want to hear that you can't or that it's too hard
@@itchywuss3511i mean… he could have cancer for all you know
@@itchywuss3511This is the most ignorant and worthless type of advice you can possibly give. There are people out there who have had life beat them into the dirt despite their absolute best efforts, and it is utterly insulting to insinuate that their problem was that they simply didn't try.
haha i love how you compared memory to underwear by saying we always have it on unless we're intoxicated
Hi Cary ._.
mmm yes, i too, intoxicate myself to correct my memories
Didn't expect to see you here 0_0
Bfb moment
Or dementia. That'll also do it
This is literally just "ZOOMERS DONT KNOW ANYTHING BEFORE SPONGEBOB"
Hello.
"Durrr whats a corndacopydia?? durr ronald reagan?? like the actor?? durr durr"
Ey Rusty, hope you're fightin' that pesky alcoholism
@@rustycage Ronald ragen the actor and Ronals ragen the president are the same guy my boomer dude
Okeys
I think people are just remembering thanksgiving decorations that reminded them of fruit of the loom
No, I am from Europe and I remember a cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo. We don't celebrate thanksgiving here.
I remember that as a child i called cornucopias "looms" and i only stopped after i read hunger games, discovered what a cornucopia was and what a loom was, and adjusted my lexicon. I don't know why i would think of cornucopias as looms unless it's based on the fruit of the loom logo.
TIL "cornucopia" is a more popular word than "heatwave".
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Heatwave is almost always used as two separate words - heat wave
I'm not entirely surprised that people keep recalling seeing a brown smudge on their undergarments. The fact they recall it being around the logo, that's the worrisome part.
Uh oh...
I too am from the shit dimension
@Tim Tim ACTUALLY?!??!??????
@Tim Tim same here 😂😂😂
I grew up in a household where both my parents worked at a big grocery chain store and I know a lot about brands. I remember asking about the Cornucopia and asking if that was the loom, and I also remember seeing it without it in the 2010s and thinking while they Musta took the cornucopia off their image for some reason, so I don’t know
I remember being a child and learning about the cornucopia because of asking about the fruit of the loom logo.
I also used to think the cornucopia was the “Loom”
Not only did someone reconstruct the logo with the cornucopia, but they did it in the exact same style, orientation, color, size, and shape as I remember.
The other Mandela effects I get how they could be mistakes, but this? This one is 100% true
Now im just convinced you all are trolls. You ALL have the EXACT same story. You ALL say you asked your MOM (never dad) about it, YOU all say you thought it was the loom, YOU all say it was the first time learning about a cornucopia.
1) either you guys are all just trolling
2) or seeing this video / reading the comment caused you to get a false memory. You remember rhe logo looking exactly like that because when you saw the logo for the first time in this video your brain ad hoc implanted that visualisation into your memory, causing you to think you have seen it in the past when you have not.
@@KevinUchihaOG darn you got us. Yes every single person in this comment section is trolling you. Grr we were so close. I almost had you. You were too smart for me though.
@@SunDogGod or option number 2. False memory
Darn, I thought we got someone else to join the dark-side! Until you find a discrepancy that will force you to question your reality, it’s very hard to explain to someone. :/
@@KevinUchihaOG Regarding people saying they thought the cornucopia was a loom, why is that so hard to believe? Neither are words that a small child would know and most kids would probably assume that the thing with fruit coming out of it would be the eponymous loom. It's just a simple word-to-image connection, not some internet boogeyman hivemind with the sole purpose of fucking with you.
Mr. President, EmpLemon's here to give you a brief.
Damn i didnt think you will be here welcome
Hey Shuck, how’s the stop motion going
Climb up the ladder if you want another go. Otherwise come over to the monitors for a debrief.
Like a Lemon he just brings the coolest (and weirdest) people to him
I thought the president wears boxers?
It's likely because most artworks that display a pile of fruit directly in front of a cornucopia have such similar fruits and art styles.
Yea
This is the most likely explanation
I don’t see how anyone else didn’t think of this.
I have never seen a pile of fruit in front of a cornucopia except on the fruit of the loom underpants
@@scalticus then you have a serious problem my guy
I grew up in Canada and only knew what a cornucopia was from the FOTL tags. It wasn’t a common thanksgiving object where I grew up. The mockup logo on here is EXACTLY how I remember it. I thought they had rebranded
They should add it. Logo looks wrong with no cornucopia.
I feel like we've all misremembered this logo. But I know people who have remembered it as different things. I remember there being a harp. Two of my friends remembered an actual loom depicted behind the fruit. And then my other two friends remember a cornucopia. None of us remembered just fruit. I also feel stupid for thinking it would have been a harp. Why the fuck would I think they'd put a harp on a logo about fruit? Honestly this is the only time I'm at a loss of explaining a mandela effect. I am absolutely stumped.
@@user-hf9hf6hw8j no cap I thought about a harp as well at first
@@user-hf9hf6hw8j why not? when you're not paying attention, the brain pretty much makes up what's there (to some extent), and recent experiences/weird connections could make them think of a harp for some reason
@@user-hf9hf6hw8j I never remembered this logo having a cornucopia. But after watching this I can't not think about it. I thought it was a bundle of fruit displayed on some grape vine.
@@user-hf9hf6hw8j as am I
Managed to unveil some pretty eye opening things by just focusing on a brand of underwear. Impressive.
I would never think that this stuff would come out of some fruit.
Love your vids dude!!
You really should collab with Emp, good projects can come out of that.
Emperor and Glink collab when?
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As someone who grew up in the 90's, I remember the logo having the cornucopia. It wasn't until I watched this video that I became aware that it wasn't there. Strange that entire swaths of the population can misremember something the same way, makes you wonder what else we don't remember correctly.
Yoh, this *needs* to be a fully-fledged Netflix documentary. I'm not joking, it's so immediately fascinating that the word-of-mouth alone would turn it into the most-watched documentary of whatever year it comes out in. I want to see a journalist chasing the Fruit of the Loom CEO with a news crew, yelling "WHAT ARE YOU NOT TELLING US?!!!"
You can officially make anything interesting
Interesting this giving interest of interest
Ay!! Cool to see you here
Keep up the good work with those pokemon challenges!
That's why premises are completely irrelevant to whether a work of fiction is good or not, even though most people will attribute a lot of weight to the premise when discussing why they like something or when deciding whether they should check something out.
Ey saw you in the comments yesterday on a gamers from mars video I think.
Why aren’t you verified?
Ok but that jazz album cover from the 70s actually freaked me out. That means we’re almost at the 50 year mark of believing this cornucopia existed when we have ample evidence (i.e. any pair of fruit of the loom underwear) to show that it doesn’t.
I don’t think that’s the most logical interpretation of that album cover. It’s far more likely that the guy just wanted to put something music-related on the cover and thought that a cornucopia would fit well with the rest of the image.
@@ewb8985 Yes, and that's probably where most people got the idea of a cornucopia being in the logo in the first place.
@@jihadszn Incorrect. I’m 13 and the video was the first ever time I’ve saw that album cover. However, I still remember the Cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom Logo. That exact cornucopia drawing. I’m personally a believer of the “Seasonal Variant” Theory, where during autumn they sold a different logo on the underwear.
@@officersoulknight6321 Unlikely. We have no material evidence of any kind that a variant was sold using the cornucopia. Our memories are more susceptible to suggestion than we think, it's very easy to convince someone they remember something that they actually do not. If enough people insist that they remember it with the cornucopia, then you might start remembering it that way too.
@@officersoulknight6321 unrelated - is your profile picture a character from soul knight or enter the gungeon?
At the start of this video, when you put up the logo without a cornucopia several times, it was exactly how I remembered it. By the end of it, both versions felt natural. I think the cornucopia is natural enough around fruit in our heads that whenever we hear someone else's anecdote about it or even any related anything that suggests it had one, it immediately became ascribed to it.
I remember as a kid being confused by the logo specifically bc of the cornucopia. I didn’t know what it was and was curious about it. I thought it was some weird piece of bread, only realizing a few years later it was a cornucopia…. only realizing a few years later it was nothing.
Here's the thing.
Before you even put the cornucopia on screen, I had the EXACT mental outline of it where it should've been. Same size, position, slightly lighter colors than I remember, THAT is bizarre.
SAME WHAT THE FUCK
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FR! /_0
And the same exact shape. The tail continuing to curl a bit at its end, the thickness of the ribbing, the amount of taper in width along the length... Exactly how I recalled it.
it's because it's in the thumbnail, it was already subconsciously implanted in your memory
Nah I just changed I thought the cornucopia didn’t look that good
See, guys? Even God understands Logo Design.
Thanks God, doing a public service
You’re wrong
Someone make an account as Stephen from SMT and dedicate it to bully this account.
it's so insignificant that a few people genuinely misremembering it and posting about it spreads false memories to thousands and thousands of people who proceed to repeat this process
More importantly this video makes me feel normal. I always felt like I had a bad memory and would fret about it a lot because we rarely admit to misremembering. This reminded me that I’m normal.
It’s so funny you mention the part about calling a cornucopia a “loom” because I swear I had the exact same experience
Me too
Me too
ME TOO
Me too, that's how I learned what both a loom and a cornucopia were
Very odd, I had to learn the difference after thinking the object in the logo was a loom for years
Every emplemon video is like a regular show episode: it starts off normal than spirals into something deep
Downward, I presume.
Deep? Perhaps.
Surreal? yeah, Thats regular show.
I’m just glad your videos have improved since you made this one…
I DISTINCTLY remember a conversation I had with my mom about the logo, I too; as a kid, thought the cornucopia was a “loom” as well, and the depiction of the cornucopia behind the fruit is genuinely 100% in recreation to the memory of the logo I have
I had no idea fruit of the loom made underwear, in the UK I think they’re more commonly associated with custom branded t-shirts
Wait thats true! I've been thinking why fruit of the loom sounds like a familiar brand even tho i've never used them. I've bought some shirts from the flea markets!
yeah think my PE shirt in school was fruit of the loom and im sure it had a cornucopia so weird
Seriously?! I live in the Midwest, and all I've ever associated Fruit of the Loom with is underwear and white undershirts. If I wore a t-shirt with their branding, it would be like...an underwear shirt.
Absolutely, like pe kits and kids clubs uniforms
@@irishjet2687 nah they didn't have the fruit logo on it, it was just a fruit of the loop brand t-shirt with a print on the front for something else.
I swear sometime in elementary school they made us colour what looked like the fruit of the loom with the cornucopia during thanksgiving and that’s why it’s in my memory.
This is what I was thinking must have happened too
Tbh sounds legit
same situation with me but then I went home and I asked my parents what that viking horn was suppose to be and they said it was a cornucopia. I asked like on the commercial (had no clue it was for underwear, I just new it involved a loom) ? They said yes. the memory was strong because they spend a long time helping me pronounce cornucopia and I proceeded to impress my friends and sisters by telling them the word every time I saw the image on TV.
Oh wow, that makes a lot of sense actually
Thats exactly what I was thinking, that people took the fruit of the loom logo and used it as a reference to make images with cornucopias of fruit.
the description of how memory works gave me such existential dread, oh my god
I just realized why the brand is called "Fruit of the Loom." A loom is used to weave thread into fabrics and cloths, which you can then use to make underwear. Therefore the underwear is a product or "fruit" of the loom!
No. It's very old slang for testicles.
@@UnitSe7ennah, that must just be some Mandela effect residue from your dumbass dimension
@@UnitSe7en😭😭🤣🤣
I feel like a fact a lot of people look over when it comes to the Mandela effect is the media bias, certain misrememberings are present all throughout TV and can greatly influence memories.
Human memory is straight up terrible, almost everything you see everywhere influences your memory of everything else, because it’s a monky brain designed to recognize predators. I’m sure 99% of the people claiming to have seen the cornucopia logo just saw some Thanksgiving clip art that looked similar
@@CIA_Gnome_Patrol seems like I'm one of the few who never remembered a cornucopia at all
I swear the Simpsons used to be yellow, Mandella strikes again? Or is this a *TIMELINE SWAP*
Claiming the “called it” bragging rights when someone inevitably gets r/whooooshed.
Why aren't the Simpsons green?
Nope your crazy
@@theethans898 r/wooooshed CARD, ACTIVATE!!!
this is a bit of a stretch, ive always remembered them being green
I clicked on this video because I've only seen this random logo on two or three of my shirts. I wasn't expecting to get thrown into a video that went so deeply into this brand that I thought was just some small company that made shirts. This was a really informative watch
I swear to god I remember the cornucopia. I’m in Canada, I also went to school on an indigenous reservation, so there wasn’t really a reason to teach about that stuff in school (except for the obligatory hand turkey). I distinctly remember getting t-shirts from potlatches and they were fruit of the loom, and they had cornucopias, and even if they were rip offs, how come it’s so hard to find any with the logo? The only plausible explanation I have is seeing random clip art online as a little kid, but it wouldn’t really make sense seeing as I didn’t look at stuff like that, plus I’m still a child so my memory isn’t as fuzzy
guess i refreshed youtube at the right time
Yep
Same
Same lol
Yep
Same here
This one scares me, because when I realized there was never a cornucopia, I'm pretty sure I was alone. I just found out looking at my underwear one day. It just wasnt there
Are you by any chance an oneyplays fan?
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i thought they just switched their marketing.
I remember buying some new shirts and seeing it without it. I was like, "huh, they removed the cornucopia." I cannot be convinced that it was not there.
@@f-22raptorlandingzone30 I only play games with cow physics
The fruit of the loom corporation has a time machine and they went back in time and erased the cornucopia from the logos. its a mass prank.
@@AvaAdore-wx5gg its not pretend they really did it to screw with people. lol read a comic book.
I'd say in my personal experience. The Fruit logo was always just the fruits. But I think my memory included the Cornucopia because it was there whenever I got one to color in from kindergarten as some Thanksgiving activity.
I think this has to be it. Elementary school around thanksgiving had a bunch of worksheets with cornucopias and random groups of fruit.
Definitely. Cornucopias used to be a ubiquitous Thanksgiving decoration. My mom always put one on the dining table. School decorations always had them. I colored many of those activity sheets in elementary grades.
Yeah I am almost certain I saw this at school during Thanksgiving and related the imagery to the logo on my underwear lol
I think this is the most logical response. I remember the loom, personality. But I also remember seeing fruits and vegetables in looms a lot during Thanksgiving.
Hmm that would also explain why the logo with the stock cornucopia looks exactly what people remember because worksheets would have the stock cornucopia as well.
The cornucopia logo looks better, personally.
So if they didn’t have it, they should have.
That's the truth. Although, the cornucopia changes the box outline of the logo from a rectangle to a square, making it take up a lot more tag space.
Wrong
I remember the cornucopia because of the overall shape of the logo. The SHAPE is seared in to my memory. It WAS there.
It absolutely was and I'll die on this hill.
Your channel is SK inspirational and great
Emp 3 years ago: Why aren't there more people trying to be like the next Vsauce?
Emp now: Fine, I'll do it myself.
Who knows, maybe he will be the next dunkey aswell
When did he say that? If you don't mind me asking.
@@ibyinstitute UA-cam Downward Spiral one from 2-3 years ago
@@leg10n68 nah he couldn’t he’d have to ytps to get good at being funny again
@@ibyinstitute rant
"Meet the folks who remember New Zealand being in a different place," I've met them and here we just call them kids who didn't pay attention in geography.
more like, not paying attention to geography and [doubling down] on that 'belief' that it was where they remembered it
Im genuinely positive i've seen (maybe just really low quality) maps with NZ in the wrong spot. Props to them for not forgetting it entirely
From New Zealand, I can confirm we don't exist, stop looking for us
There's surprisingly many world maps or illustrations that outright miss New Zealand (there's a subreddit for it and that made it into the and there was an IKEA map forgetting them in early 2019, that should be easy to find in the news archives). Who'll really notice if they shift up by a couple hundred kilometres? Hell, switch them with Japan and people won't even notice.
@@desallis Then how can you explain Split Enz?
i remember drawing this cornucopia logo 30 years ago, i was designing a new dress line logo and doodling ideas, i doodled the cornucopia because it was on a t-shirt i had in my wardrobe and i was copying/twisting all the labels for ideas... 100% its vanished same as Dolly's braces
11:34 it took 6.5 billion years for someone to make this metaphor.
I vividly remember thinking that cone thing was a weird waffle cone as a kid.
Yes same here!
I distinctly remember thinking it was a croissant
I thought they got rid of it to simplify the logo...
@@numbersbubble That would be the most logical answer but if you search for old old pictures of the fruit of the loom logo you’ll notice that no one picture has a cornucopia in it. So, it’s very weird how not one person on the earth has a single picture of the fruit of the loom logo with a cornucopia. So obviously “12345 678” that’s not the answer to this mandala affect.
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I think it’s possible that the arrangement of the fruit alludes to the existence of a cornucopia. I had never seen the logo before this video, though I’d heard of the brand, and the cornucopia being there just looks *right*. Perhaps there’s some artistic explanation similar to the line of action that alludes to a cornucopia-like shape, and our brains already associate fruit with the cornucopia specifically, allowing for that to take precedence over, say, a bugle.
Yeah I feel like there’s more to analyze here from an art theory perspective. I also wonder if it has something to do with the sort of rustic art style that alludes to antique items like cornucopias?
interesting. thats very much a thing with art, especially in music, a lot of music composition teachers stress the importance of implying things to an audience, forming things around an idea so that you can suggest an idea without ever actually directly presenting it. seems like what youre talking about.
doesn't explain how people had memories of learning what a cornucopia is from the fruit of the loom logo though
@@UA-camPizzer It's very much plausible that people saw an image of some fruit with a cornucopia as a kid, asked "What's that horn-thingy?" and then later misattributed that image to the Fruits of the Loom logo.
Yeah I feel like the whole analysis hinges on the idea that the cornucopia couldn’t just be an easily assumed and implied thing, which IMO it totally is. It honestly doesn’t feel any different to the example given of say a monocle on the monopoly man
The best thing about the mandela effect is that the LEMMINO had unlist the video about the mandela effect, so now it seem like I'm experience the mandal effect which is very funny
While the Berenstain/Berenstein Bears Mandela Effect has never resonated with me (I totally get how kids back in the day looked over the name and forever commit the wrong name to memory, certain that it was always that way), this one has hit me hard in recent years. I swear I remember that damn cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo, I swear it was always there, I didn't need any video to call attention to it, I have clear as day memories of seeing that cornucopia, that seems far harder to misremember than an 'e' instead of an 'a' in a last name.
"Ultimately memory is a lot like underwear."
Never in a million years did I think I would ever hear such a great sentence uttered.
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That excerpt from Jerma and Star at the end, making me extremely nostalgic.
Indeed.
I just want him to do a Jerma video at this point.
I remember watching those videos all the time. Man :D
I'm glad they're friends again
@@doodguytheblank2403 id pay for a never ever about jerma
I’m a 54yr old Canadian Dude, and in my timeline, FOTL had a cornucopia. This Mandela Effect is on my list of over 400 discrepancies that I can’t explain. I would stake my life on my “memory”. I’m not a genius, but I achieved above average grades in school and have exceptional recall. The one Mandela Effect that threw me into this rabbit hole was hearing that Ed McMahon was NOT the spokesperson of “Publishers Clearing House”. I have never heard of “American Family Publishing”.
I'm from Germany and I remember the cornucopia as well.
Yeah I really want to know what's going on because I will not question my memory on this one. I'm absolutely sure.
Wow this brings back so many memories
Will never be able to convince me it never had a cornucopia. I distinctly remember asking my mom what fruit "that brown one" was at the store in the early 90's, learning then what it was, and then later that same year feeling a childish sense of pride when correctly naming it in class during a Thanksgiving activity. The combination of that proud moment while secretly knowing that "knowledge" was based on underwear (which at that age would have been embarrassing to admit) caused both events to simultaneously register as one significant-enough memory.
Fake memory, man.
@Belakor Venator
Also consider the possibility that you're lying.
Nah y’all ain’t about to 1984 me, I know what I know, and that logo had a loom to go with those fruits
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Had a very similar memory. Saw the fruit of the loom on Tv as a Kid asked my parents what the brown thing was and struggled saying the word for a while. Cornucopia is a hard word for a young kid. Because that logo was the only thing I associated the object with I think thats why I remembered the conversation so vividly
Me too!!!
This is the most unexpected controversy I've ever encountered