Thanks for covering this. Its too easy to write this off as "stupid arrogant pilot", but a lot of people that say that kind of thing end up making these mistakes.
I'm a former 121 guy who now flies a Part 91 jet. This accident hits close to home for me, as the pilot's niece and her husband are family friends. I've never discussed it with them, as I don't have the heart to tell her that her uncle was grossly negligent and made a series of stupid, reckless decisions that got him and a bunch of other people killed. Like too many other accidents, this was one that was totally avoidable and didn't need to happen.
I grew up in aviation, from the 1960's, and was probably instrument rated before I could see over the instrument panel. I recently watched one of these take off from a 2,300 foot grass runway, probably no passengers, it was amazing, lifted off using maybe 40% of the runway and the climb rate! It was up there and and gone. I can see now how some pilots would be over confident with the performance.
There is zero reason to tell the surviving family these things. Unless they are organizing a lawsuit against the manufacture, in which case maybe a gentle suggestion that a certain numerated list of what the pilot did that lead directly to the accident, and a page of information WHY each of these items lead to the accident. Back it up with data, else you will not be taken as anything but a callous blow hard.
Hi Bradley, I agree with you that he made some mistakes. With this being the 3rd comment from the top, there’s a good chance your friends will read it and you won’t actually have to tell them how you feel for them to find out…Maybe they already have.
The mentality of the pilot is amazing that he was prepared to put his family and friends fataly at risk against the advice of others. He had 3 hours to mull this over while deicing the aircraft in continuing bad weather conditions. The airport manager was practically begging him not to take off and he ignores the 'runway is closed'.
Airport manager is probably still playing this over in his head wondering what ould have been done to stop them from taking off. Short of driving a car an parking on the end of the runway the pilot would have found another way to enter the runway and takeoff anyway.
In my younger days in the 70's and 80's I was an adrenaline junkie with sky diving, scuba diving, extreme skiing, motocross, and finally an Army Ranger. I put myself into dangerously stupid situations too many times to count and I have the scar's and 4 artificial joints to prove it, but I don't believe I ever put anyone else's life in danger by my actions, in fact most people think I am overly cautious when it comes to safety precautions. Overloaded, out of balance, icing, IMC, FBO telling him he's crazy, I am shocked this pilot didn't wait till dark just to add one more degree of difficulty. Gamble with your own life, fine, but gambling with other people's lives, to this degree of incompetence especially with children on board is disgusting.
They didn't clean the vertical and horizontal stabilizer because they couldn't reach it from the ground, this is beyond unacceptable since ice was probably already there before crashing, as you speed up in the runway the snow and rain already there would turn in to ice if the deicing is not activated.
I still am, but you never taking flying with passengers lightly, especially children who can’t really consent to danger and have no idea what’s going on. Worse, this guy seemed proud that he was just winging this whole thing. He bragged about how much ice there was and then his little wink wink “well” in reply to his friend saying did the ice come off like this was some game.
@@HomesickforAlaska Makes me wonder if he actually was depressed, financially strapped, and decided to commit suicide taking his family down with him on purpose. Perhaps his last words were: "yahoo!!"
@@lcfflc3887 yes they sh😊ould have cleaned the horizontal stabilizer using a taller step ladder...but rotation speed was too slow to compensate for aft center of gravity.
You never "go slow" in an airplane. The faster you go, and higher you fly, the safer you are. At low speed, with so much as frost or snow on the wings, your minimum speed goes up. Way up. So you have to go even faster than that. And ideally, climb like a bat out of hell until on top of the weather. At an altitude too cold to form ice, due to the lack of humidity. Only then are you safe. Trucking is different. Because the only two parameters that change in bad weather are Driver vision/sight distance. And tire traction. Tire lose grip simply due to being cold, the rubber hardens. And they of course lose traction to road surface, especially wet, snow, and ice. Wet roads tend to reduce grip by about 20%. Snow reduces grip to only about 30% of dry weather traction. And ice can reduce it to between 10-20% of dry grip. Add moisture on top of smooth ice (black ice) and you only have perhaps 1%-5% of dry weather grip. This is why, on solid ice truckers just park it. And in snow, they typically cruise at perhaps 45-50mph. Because to keep the stopping-distance the same, they need to be going a lot slower.
Having flown the PC12 for two years as an air ambulance pilot I can say with out a doubt it is not the airplane. In my opinion this flight should have never left the ground. This is a classic case of “get home-itis” coupled with over confidence ! If you take the facts of this flight you can see the holes line up in the swiss cheese, starting with the decision to go to the airport. The Utube channel “Pilot Debrief” Does an excellent job of debriefing this flight.
This guy thought he was invincible. That plane never should have taxied, let alone taken off into low IFR with ice on the tail, overweight and outside the CG limits. Oh... and who flies with 2 people more than there are seats!!?? Unreal. I guess you get a couple thousand hours under your belt, and you think the rules don't apply to you anymore. He exhibited so many of the bad mindset/behaviors the FAA warns us about. I feel bad for his passengers. Great presentation.
Unbelievable, this should have been a No Go Decision, PIC is responsible for the safety of the flight and everyone on board , PIC acted Macho: “I can do it!” is what led to this terrible accident. ( A Lot to Learn from this Accident ) Thank you Pilot Institute.
@@PilotInstituteAirplanes it sounds like you narrate this with your real voice. It is a nice professional sounding easy to listen to narration that is interesting but still treats the subject with respect
Long time freit dog from that area. Whenever there is freezing rain or drizzle present. You might as well stay home. It’s bad already and won’t get better until it clears up. Just because you might have an instrument rating and a plane has anti ice and de ice systems means nothing. You can read the regulations about airframe icing, and the operative word is adhering to the aircraft. And what was adhered to the plane. Stupid is as stupid does, and gravity sucks. This is a great video and I certainly hope others can use this accident to enhance proper decision making.
It seems like the plane just might have flown dispite all that and that he was over weight. Still followed his muscle-memory of too high a pitch angle while, in this instance, not maintaining airspeed. The PC-12 is an amazing airplane but even it cannot overcome an overconfident foolhardy pilot.
The PC-12 is an outstanding airplane. All planes are equal opportunity killers, especially when you run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas. The first lesson that every pilot should remember is that gravity sucks!
No not as it "should be" the photos should be posted for everyone to see and remember next time someone decides to make stupid decisions like this. That's why people watch these videos, so they have a better understanding of other peoples mistakes and the consequences. Right?
@@jims.3987 no, definitely not. They don't need to show the details to get the message across, it would he fairly disrespectful to the dead, and finally, if this channel did show all those gorey details, it would soon become the focus of the channel.
*He suffered from get-there-itis *Did not calculate his weight and balance *Decided to fly with ice and snow on plane *Ignored the protests of others Famous last words: "We're going to be fine."
@@madelinescafe8573 Agreed. The pilot possibly thought to himself with over 1700 hours, that his capabilities should not be questioned. I don't know, but it is a high possibility.
The PC-12 is an amazingly capable airplane, but this was just about the dumbest chain of decisions I've seen. If you spend 3 hours trying to get ice off and it doesn't work, maybe it's just not a good day to go flying.
The Lodge Owner and Airport Manager desperately tried to save these people, and the pilot just wouldn't listen. Why would you not listen to people that live out there and know the day 2 day conditions? I feel bad for those guys too.
That plane went far above and beyond what anyone could have expected to keep itself safe. Over weight, iced down, aft CG, too slow, too much pitch, and it still almost made it. I hope the survivors are healing 😞
Right, it wanted to fly but the critical factor in my opinion is when he rotated early because of the runway conditions that's where he really pushed the final straw. I might be giving him too much credit here but my guess is He was going to get off the Runway quick then nose it over and build speed and climb out faster than normal climb out, but the moment he lifted off too early he was outside the envelope of elevator capability and couldn't nose it back over. I believe this airplane would have flown out of there if it had been a long Runway and he had rotated and climbed out much faster than normal, perhaps even 20 knots or more. It may have flown out of there. Crazy though. Not advising any of this I'm just saying that might be truly where his luck ran out.
@@kittytrail for sure, but my point is only that if he lifted off at a speed too slow for the icy heavy tail to point the nose down, he couldn't level off to gain speed and could have gotten stuck there, whereas if he had been going faster he might have been able to get away with it.
When I learned to fly years ago my instructor always reminded me of this phrase. There are old pilots and their are bold pilots, but they’re no old bold pilots.
I always told my students taking the private license check ride. Upon a successful test and review of the examiners impressions. You now have a license to kill. Don't ever risk passenger safety!! Get an instrument rating next. Always take plenty of time for everything.
One of them was also sick all you hear is sniffing and coughing on the cvr. I think someone unqualified was trying to help in the right seat I'm I remember correctly and it was whoever was sick.
Perfect example of a person jumping, climbing, clawing their way over all the no go hurdles this flight presented, only to realize that is far better to be on the ground wishing you were up in the air, then be up in the air wishing you were on the ground. A glaring example of get there itis. God speed to all those affected.
@@GardenGuy1942 LOL..I have over 4500 Hours in anything from Piper Cubs to King Air 200's. I have taught tailwheel, aerobatics in Citabrias to Stearman's and specialized flight instruction for 8 years. While it is a paltry sum of flying hours to some, they have been quality hours spent in demanding airplanes in demanding conditions. There is a saying: There are two types of people flying. A pilot and an aviator. A pilot is somebody that just flies an airplane without the knowledge of its full capabilities and the capabilities of the world they fly in. They drone around the sky from point A to point B in blissful ignorance. Sure they have the license and past the check ride, but they don't fully get it. They don't get or practice all the little nuances that make you an aviator. An aviator takes the time to practice the art of flying. Understands the capabilities of what his aircraft can and can not do. They understand the environment in which they operate in, through practice and relative experience. You're right, I am not a pilot as you are. I am an aviator. I understand the lanes and I stand behind my comment, as most people would that fully understand aviation. Stick to gardening sir.
My grandson is taking flight training. States he's going to be another pilot in the family. It's my obligation to help him be a great pilot and not one who will take risks. Get thereitis is dangerous for everyone. Listen, when the tower controller advises not to do something stupid, take his advice! Controllers are affected by crashes too. Albeit mentally. He'll play that over and over in his mind, wondering what he could have said to not have this outcome. I'm going to recommend to my grandson to watch this video. Hopefully, this video will stick with him, and he'll choose never to take a risky flight. Being known as a clear weather pilot will extend a person's life and others as well. Maybe why my instructor was alive and teaching at 92 years old. Ray didn't take risks. Good luck to all pilots and future pilots. I hope yor all learn something from this video.
These reconsturcted videos of real airplanes accidents coupled with the organization of information given(important, and detailed perfectly without sayng too much) is one of the best videos i have seen. I cant wait for next months video. Thank you to the team doing all the work.
Nothing wrong with the Pilatus other than that pilot. I have almost 12,000 hrs of which 5,000 is in Pilatus Aircraft. Pilatus makes the finest aircraft in the industry!
I worked at a small FBO, that was also the base for scheduled freight operations. Most of the men and women pilots employed there were professional and very competent. I interacted with many of them on a daily basis. In my mind, I knew who I would trust to fly with, and who I wouldn't follow into the men's room. That's the reality of most professions that demand high standards.
So sad for the passengers. The one that was worried about the icing and the one who said the traveler's prayer really got to me. I wonder if the child was among the survivors.
12- & 5-year-olds died. The narrator of this video says the youngest was 7, but Kathryn's report has photos and shows Houston Hansen was 5. Don't recall how many children were on the plane.
They didn't say the prayer because they were worried, they said it every time they flew. All passengers and the pilot were one family, they were very religious members of the LDS church. Also the one asking how much work the ice was sounds more interested than worried. I think they all trusted the pilot, who was also kind of the head of this family, very much
There are people who get their friends in their cars and then drive them dangerously close to tornados, all to show what awesome guys they are. Looks like our pilot here was the same type. No one who cared more about his passengers' lives more than his own coolness would even think of doing this.
Something happened to me in my mid forties. I became risk averse. I look back in amazement that I made it here. I was such an idiot. Now I drive very carefully. Just this morning i felt tired onnthe road and found a place to stop and rest for a couple of hours. I was awoken by two women on horses who must have assumed I had topped myself, being asleep on a remote hilltop, with the engine running. They seemed to be relieved that I was ok. So i got home late, but alive. It has taken me decades to work out this simple fact. Push the limits at your peril. Over to you, cancer, aneurism, cardiac arrest.
And PI does it AGAIN!! Great video, guys! Well explained, the SFX are crazy real, and the editing is pure magic. I'll rewatch it with popcorn and a coke!
This is pure and simple, a case of extreme “ get home-itis. “. Very bad bas decision to to that day. PLUS all other items mentioned. To spend 3 hrs on a ladder de-icing. He was determined We’re going home TODAY. Feel so bad for the family. 😢
@@solefinder3708 The passengers weren't aware their pilot was making the wrong calls on not one, but multiple decision points simultaneously and against advice. Any one of those mistakes by themselves might have not been an issue, but all of them together is unfathomable.
Weight and balance. I learned VERY early how to calculate W&B. Using the airplane Datum point. In modern airliners? Its averaged out, and there's a wide range of CG, or Center of Gravity compared to CL, or Center of Lift. Smaller airplanes aren't as forgiving.
I usually avoid Mondaymorning fingerpointing, but the actual footage is pretty damning. De-icing and hot-wings could possibly have given me additional confidence, but boots in this weather... no thanks. Another question : why wasnt he in the hangar ?
I believe I read some where that none were available that day. Regardless, not a good idea to leave in that snow storm. “If you’re right, fine, but if you’re wrong, it’s catastrophic!”
Snow/ice on the aft fuselage plus iced up horizontal stab plus contaminated runway plus freezing precipitation during taxi/TO plus aft CG plus low speed rotation equals guaranteed disaster. At some point you just have to just say to yourself “time to spare, go by air” and either go back to the lodge or rent a couple of SUV’s and drive home.
The epitome of arrogance is when everyone tells you it’s unsafe, and you with the lives of 11 people in your hands, disregard ALL the physical signs and sound advice of airport professionals. What a POS he must have been in real life.
My thoughts exactly. At first, I was curious to see what tragic unforeseen thing might have transpired. No. Nothing tragic, or unforeseen. This guy, was a total TOOL that thought he was invincible and threw caution and common sense out of the window. I guess his ego always knew better.
Consider in depth..the extra weight the airframe had due to ice build up. Then consider pilots actions near stall. It would be apparent that the pilot actually used the ailerons close to stall at low speed instead of exclusively using the rudder controls. Accidents usually happen when there is a series of events happening together. An avoidable accident.
Iso's use was fairly common in the north. It lowers the freezing point of water and helps to loosen ice in order to remove it by hand. Sometimes its the only option in the absence of heated type 2 fluid. That said, an insulated bottle sprayer with a plug in heating element filled with type 2 beats it hands down. Not that expensive either.
Retired, Old, Bold, I used the rule of 3 fits for many circumstances. The 3P’s Procedures Policies Philosophies In flight training, they give you a handful of skill and a handful of luck. Don’t runout of either. I won’t discuss at ramp!!! Obvious Even during taxi out the rule of three. 7mins From ATC NEGATIVE TELL THEM WHAT YOU NEED!! Radio 📻 transmission warnings from airport The taxi 🚕 Stay safe thanks for sharing.
There's just so much wrong with this flight. Taking out the bad decision to go, the decision to rotate early and try to climb at that rate WHILE TURNING is absolutely mind-boggling. Simply accepting a modest rate of climb and slowly building airspeed straight out would have likely avoided the loss of control. In looking at the area, climbing just 200' straight out would have put them over everything and had a clear path to climb at a paltry 100 feet a minute if need-be to keep their speed up. Just poor airmanship all the way around when you combine that with all of the bad aeronautical decision making. Just goes to show you that no matter how advanced the aircraft, the basic flight principles will always apply.
pilot routinely rotated early and too quickly--a habit which ultimately killed him sure, all the other factors mattered in this accident, but if it weren't for that, he might've gotten away with the rest
I was a pro pilot with an ATP and over 5000 hours when I took off from Denver Stapleton airport in VFR conditions. This was in a Piper Chieftain and it was a cargo flight. During my rest period (in the hangar) the plane was loaded with 2 big copy machines and a bunch of newspaper bundles for me to drop off at various locations en route to Missoula MT. The W&B form looked like it was filled out correctly, but it wasn't. I was loaded to an aft CG....beyond the envelope. As soon as I was airborne the pitch control felt very touchy. Very touchy. It was hard to hold pitch, even in cruise. I figured out what was up and landed at the first available airport north bound and got rid of some of those bundles. Took off and the plane felt normal. I do not think a private pilot, or a beginning pilot could have handled the pitch sensitivity and developed serious osculations resulting in a crash. ...just sayin....
Thank you that advice and story is worth its weight in gold. I had thought of this guy had just rotated faster and climbed out faster he would have been okay and just lucky enough to die in the not-too-distant future rather than on this particular day, but your testimony is that it's not just the low speed uncontrollable elevator that's the problem but delicacy everywhere else in the speed ranges as well.
In my time working in line service, I've witnessed some pilots use a pump sprayer with TKS fluid or spray bottles of isopropyl alcohol to remove light ice and frost before when they're too cheap to pay for an overnight hangar or de-ice truck. Not a risk I'd take. If I saw that going on, I'd usually go chat with them and offer to push them into one of the heated maintenance hangars long enough to melt it off. Usually only took 10 or 15 minutes so we didn't even charge for it.
Hold up if I'm not mistaken this is the crash where they were deicing the plane with janitorial equipment missing most of it. Then they were told the runway was too bad and the airport owner advised them not to depart. Instead the pilot basically rushed his crew of the runway plowing through the unprepared runway and taking off. Once airborne the instantly started having stick shaker activations until eventually smoking it into the terrain. Plus they were flying with all those people like it was a school bus.
@@charlesfaure1189, you’re right! I believe PI left out comments on the voice recorded where the PIC commented about how poorly the plow driver was doing clearing the snow and that he could have cleared it all by now.
SAD. :{ I would like to know what was sooooo important not to stay at the lodge again another night or two? I cant' believe he had the nerve to take the innocent pax up (over loaded) into that weather. What was so important? People need a reality check that they are not sooo important and that they can actually be late a day or two, or week and the Earth will still keep on spinning. Take care pilots.
Holy crap I practiced power-on stalls with my instructor today and 15deg pitch up is absolutely terrifying - it feels very wrong. Just another way this guy seemed absolutely determined to have a crash.
Here's the difference in my opinion. Aft CG and overloaded, if you aren't flying intentionally faster than the normal rotate and climb out speeds, your elevator is no longer capable of pushing the nose over when you push in on the yoke. You're in an out-of-control situation climbing steeper and steeper with no capability to correct. He was trying to get off the rough Runway quick and then his plan would be to nose it over and climb shallow and gain airspeed. Critical mistake by rotating early he never got enough airspeed to be able to nose it over in the first place so he just power-on stall-climbed until it crashed.
I wrote several deice programs back when they were first mandated for 121 operators in the 90s, and since then have reviewed many more. The first place I went to conduct training was to our pilot cadre in Anchorage. Of course they already knew all about icing, but what I taught them made them look at things a bit differently. Airplanes don't know under which rules they are being flown - and ice doesn't care what it sticks to. This airplane, had it been hangared overnight and brought out quickly and departed quickly, "might" have made it (the old five minute rule). But any ice sticking to the tail is a no-go. And isopropyl alcohol is not a good deice fluid, at low viscosity and no non-Newtonian properties (non-Newtonian meaning it stays on the surface until blown off just below rotation speed, around 80-85 KIAS IIRC, which leaves many smaller planes unable to use it). Even a splash of Type I fluid may have made the difference for this family. Sadly, it wasn't even an option for this flight. Add to it the macho pilot attitude, the get-there-itis, and loading the airplane beyond max in terrible flying conditions is, well you see the results of that recipe. Video was well, done, Pilot Institute.
IMO, and I am not a pilot, everything point in the same direction, the pilot has not enough training/respect for it job, and probably this was not the first time he cut some corners. And to do all these with its family onboard, please! Nice video!
There are pilots who are wealthy, and exceed their ability. They can afford an airplane beyond their skills or abilities. Usually it's a Bonanza. This goes beyond
So sad. I'm just an imaginary pilot, but watching some of these GA tragedies makes me wonder if there isn't a tendency, on the part of some including this pilot, to place too much confidence in the power, bells and whistles of newer, higher-end aircraft. "No worries, this is a PC-12." Just a thought.
Macho hazardous attitude, "We'll be fine." (Assumes facts not in evidence.) EDIT: Rusty pilot with paid passengers onboard SMH! This video just gets worse and worse!
Calculated risk taking is usually successful, and that success breeds a self-confidence that increasingly substitutes for the rules. The longer you've successfully taken risks, the more risks you become willing to take - and do. Virtually everyone gets away with risk taking, but sometimes the consequences of multiple risks combine at the same time and and place by either accident or fate, and this is the result. Had a single risk factor been removed or even slightly delayed in time this video wouldn't exist.
One time I was in Charleston WV in snow … I paid $600 to have the ice removed from my airplane before flight. It worked. I was in a known ice 58 Baron. I have flown a PC12. It’s nice. The 3 survivors probably have the strength and quality of the airplane to thank for their survival.
You can actually see in the video the plane rolling to the left. I'm pretty sure they've heard the loud impact, but preferred to ignore due to the bad weather outside, or excusing as a thunder.
I grew up in a six, being a twin our children (4 ) could not all fit in my dad's Cherokee 180 after we were born so he upgraded. My dad was a flying o Orthopeadic surgeon and flew many hunting trips from FAKD in SA to Windhoek in South West Africa in the the early 70's. In 1977 he had a heart attack with us in the plane comming back crom my Grandmothers farm. He landed us safley lost his medical and cried when he sold her. He got his medical back in 1984 and eventually bought back his Cherokee C180
This is a perfect example of the Swiss Cheeze model. Anyone who has common sense, wouldn't have flown in this kind of weather.This plane should have never left the ground. Condolences to the families, of those who parished.
I remember a guy back in the early 90’s who had recently obtained his instrument rating telling someone that he could fly anytime because “weather was not a factor”. Obviously, his instructors skipped a very important lesson during his training.
This makes me wonder just what the pressing issue was that had this pilot ignoring so many red flag warnings for this flight, putting so many people's lives at risk and ultimately paying a tragic price. So sad and so preventable.
Well done to the airport manager that tried to stop him and the farmer that found the crash in time to save 3 people. They both cared about strangers more than the pilot cared about his friends and family.
Geezus.... You you're using pilot lingo, i understand of course. AIRMET, TAF, other meteoroligical reports. This guy SHOULD NOT HAVE FLOWN in that airplane. As a pilot for United, now retired, I have flown in some bad weather. We have rules. We have limitations. We don't fly when it's unsafe. Period
I’ve read thousands of air accident reports over the years and I think the level of hubris and arrogance demonstrated by the ‘pilot’ here is only surpassed by his incompetence. This has to be the most jaw-dropping account of a disastrous lack of airmanship I’ve ever read. Sympathy to the in innocent victims.
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Thanks for covering this. Its too easy to write this off as "stupid arrogant pilot", but a lot of people that say that kind of thing end up making these mistakes.
@@PilotInstituteAirplanes will do!
this is very scare, my cat is sad
@@nitehawk86 So what was the main cause of this accident ?
I'm a former 121 guy who now flies a Part 91 jet. This accident hits close to home for me, as the pilot's niece and her husband are family friends. I've never discussed it with them, as I don't have the heart to tell her that her uncle was grossly negligent and made a series of stupid, reckless decisions that got him and a bunch of other people killed. Like too many other accidents, this was one that was totally avoidable and didn't need to happen.
I grew up in aviation, from the 1960's, and was probably instrument rated before I could see over the instrument panel. I recently watched one of these take off from a 2,300 foot grass runway, probably no passengers, it was amazing, lifted off using maybe 40% of the runway and the climb rate! It was up there and and gone. I can see now how some pilots would be over confident with the performance.
There is zero reason to tell the surviving family these things. Unless they are organizing a lawsuit against the manufacture, in which case maybe a gentle suggestion that a certain numerated list of what the pilot did that lead directly to the accident, and a page of information WHY each of these items lead to the accident. Back it up with data, else you will not be taken as anything but a callous blow hard.
Why should they sue the manufacturer? You are the dumbest dope here
Best to just keep that to yourself, unless telling them might save their lives down the road
Hi Bradley, I agree with you that he made some mistakes. With this being the 3rd comment from the top, there’s a good chance your friends will read it and you won’t actually have to tell them how you feel for them to find out…Maybe they already have.
The mentality of the pilot is amazing that he was prepared to put his family and friends fataly at risk against the advice of others. He had 3 hours to mull this over while deicing the aircraft in continuing bad weather conditions. The airport manager was practically begging him not to take off and he ignores the 'runway is closed'.
I found myself becoming increasingly angry at this pilot for taking so lightly his responsibility for the lives of his passengers!
@@garybrown1404yes indeed, very likely overconfidence (ego) in his abilities and those of the aircraft.
Airport manager is probably still playing this over in his head wondering what ould have been done to stop them from taking off. Short of driving a car an parking on the end of the runway the pilot would have found another way to enter the runway and takeoff anyway.
CEO mentality.
Someone should’ve asked him if he had any favorite hymns?
In my younger days in the 70's and 80's I was an adrenaline junkie with sky diving, scuba diving, extreme skiing, motocross, and finally an Army Ranger. I put myself into dangerously stupid situations too many times to count and I have the scar's and 4 artificial joints to prove it, but I don't believe I ever put anyone else's life in danger by my actions, in fact most people think I am overly cautious when it comes to safety precautions.
Overloaded, out of balance, icing, IMC, FBO telling him he's crazy, I am shocked this pilot didn't wait till dark just to add one more degree of difficulty.
Gamble with your own life, fine, but gambling with other people's lives, to this degree of incompetence especially with children on board is disgusting.
They didn't clean the vertical and horizontal stabilizer because they couldn't reach it from the ground, this is beyond unacceptable since ice was probably already there before crashing, as you speed up in the runway the snow and rain already there would turn in to ice if the deicing is not activated.
I still am, but you never taking flying with passengers lightly, especially children who can’t really consent to danger and have no idea what’s going on. Worse, this guy seemed proud that he was just winging this whole thing. He bragged about how much ice there was and then his little wink wink “well” in reply to his friend saying did the ice come off like this was some game.
@@HomesickforAlaska
Makes me wonder if he actually was depressed, financially strapped, and decided to commit suicide taking his family down with him on purpose.
Perhaps his last words were: "yahoo!!"
@@lcfflc3887 yes they sh😊ould have cleaned the horizontal stabilizer using a taller step ladder...but rotation speed was too slow to compensate for aft center of gravity.
Ranger!! Thank you for your service brother. Be safe.
In trucking we have a saying: Snow, go slow...ice no dice. Why risk it?
Guessing they didn't want to flly on Sunday for the same reason Chick-Fil-A isn't open on Sunday
Stay in lane, buddy. I’m a pilot, YOU are NOT.
@@GardenGuy1942 stupid has no career category buddy...it applies to all occupations like you.
@@GardenGuy1942 I'm hoping this is sarcasm, particularly from the perspective of the incident pilot.
You never "go slow" in an airplane.
The faster you go, and higher you fly, the safer you are.
At low speed, with so much as frost or snow on the wings, your minimum speed goes up. Way up. So you have to go even faster than that. And ideally, climb like a bat out of hell until on top of the weather. At an altitude too cold to form ice, due to the lack of humidity. Only then are you safe.
Trucking is different. Because the only two parameters that change in bad weather are Driver vision/sight distance. And tire traction.
Tire lose grip simply due to being cold, the rubber hardens. And they of course lose traction to road surface, especially wet, snow, and ice. Wet roads tend to reduce grip by about 20%. Snow reduces grip to only about 30% of dry weather traction. And ice can reduce it to between 10-20% of dry grip. Add moisture on top of smooth ice (black ice) and you only have perhaps 1%-5% of dry weather grip.
This is why, on solid ice truckers just park it. And in snow, they typically cruise at perhaps 45-50mph. Because to keep the stopping-distance the same, they need to be going a lot slower.
Having flown the PC12 for two years as an air ambulance pilot I can say with out a doubt it is not the airplane. In my opinion this flight should have never left the ground. This is a classic case of “get home-itis” coupled with over confidence ! If you take the facts of this flight you can see the holes line up in the swiss cheese, starting with the decision to go to the airport. The Utube channel “Pilot Debrief” Does an excellent job of debriefing this flight.
This guy thought he was invincible. That plane never should have taxied, let alone taken off into low IFR with ice on the tail, overweight and outside the CG limits. Oh... and who flies with 2 people more than there are seats!!?? Unreal. I guess you get a couple thousand hours under your belt, and you think the rules don't apply to you anymore. He exhibited so many of the bad mindset/behaviors the FAA warns us about. I feel bad for his passengers. Great presentation.
They lost 4 generations of his family because of his carelessness. Smh.
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Excellent channel, first viewing, color me subscribed. (competition for Mentour Pilot)
@@garybrown1404Earned my subscription as well. Suggesting to my grandson who is just beginning his flying career.
When heavy on take off. Have extra speed before rotating. Gear up. Quickly. And full power.
Unbelievable, this should have been a No Go Decision, PIC is responsible for the safety of the flight and everyone on board , PIC acted Macho: “I can do it!” is what led to this terrible accident. ( A Lot to Learn from this Accident )
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@@PilotInstituteAirplanes it sounds like you narrate this with your real voice. It is a nice professional sounding easy to listen to narration that is interesting but still treats the subject with respect
Long time freit dog from that area. Whenever there is freezing rain or drizzle present. You might as well stay home. It’s bad already and won’t get better until it clears up. Just because you might have an instrument rating and a plane has anti ice and de ice systems means nothing. You can read the regulations about airframe icing, and the operative word is adhering to the aircraft. And what was adhered to the plane. Stupid is as stupid does, and gravity sucks. This is a great video and I certainly hope others can use this accident to enhance proper decision making.
It seems like the plane just might have flown dispite all that and that he was over weight. Still followed his muscle-memory of too high a pitch angle while, in this instance, not maintaining airspeed. The PC-12 is an amazing airplane but even it cannot overcome an overconfident foolhardy pilot.
The PC-12 is an outstanding airplane. All planes are equal opportunity killers, especially when you run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas. The first lesson that every pilot should remember is that gravity sucks!
I don't like to take my 'Super' Airbus up in freezing rain/drizzle.... and it's a very capable aeroplane. As for doing this in a single TP?
these after-crash photos are so cleaned up. That's as it should be. The farmer who discovered the wreckage is probably still having bloody nightmares.
Yep, we're getting to see the sanitized versions. What he saw must've been nauseating.
And remember, at least three humans were still breathing when he got there.
Nightmares indeed!! 😱😱😱
No not as it "should be" the photos should be posted for everyone to see and remember next time someone decides to make stupid decisions like this.
That's why people watch these videos, so they have a better understanding of other peoples mistakes and the consequences. Right?
@@jims.3987 no, definitely not. They don't need to show the details to get the message across, it would he fairly disrespectful to the dead, and finally, if this channel did show all those gorey details, it would soon become the focus of the channel.
Shutup
*He suffered from get-there-itis
*Did not calculate his weight and balance
*Decided to fly with ice and snow on plane
*Ignored the protests of others
Famous last words: "We're going to be fine."
It's hard to comprehend what was going through his mind, it's like a deathwish
@@DemolitionManDemolishes it's a lack of humility and a lot of arrogance.
All butt; hold my beer and watch this.
@@madelinescafe8573 Agreed. The pilot possibly thought to himself with over 1700 hours, that his capabilities should not be questioned. I don't know, but it is a high possibility.
This reminds me of my wife trying to decide what she wants for dinner.
The PC-12 is an amazingly capable airplane, but this was just about the dumbest chain of decisions I've seen. If you spend 3 hours trying to get ice off and it doesn't work, maybe it's just not a good day to go flying.
Swiss made 🇨🇭 Pilatus is TOP OF LINE
@@brandonjerue1205 so ? Still NOT certified to take off with ice on it.
The Pilatus can handle anything except a bad pilot.
@@luismartinez-my1nk my mom actually just took one out to the village last weekend, i was a little jelly. Alaska Air Transport
THIS is the best statement yet....
The Lodge Owner and Airport Manager desperately tried to save these people, and the pilot just wouldn't listen. Why would you not listen to people that live out there and know the day 2 day conditions? I feel bad for those guys too.
I'm surprised they didn't declare the field closed. They may not have had that authority.
@@tgfabthunderbird1 It gets tricky for a public field because of FAA regulations.
That plane went far above and beyond what anyone could have expected to keep itself safe. Over weight, iced down, aft CG, too slow, too much pitch, and it still almost made it. I hope the survivors are healing 😞
Right, it wanted to fly but the critical factor in my opinion is when he rotated early because of the runway conditions that's where he really pushed the final straw. I might be giving him too much credit here but my guess is He was going to get off the Runway quick then nose it over and build speed and climb out faster than normal climb out, but the moment he lifted off too early he was outside the envelope of elevator capability and couldn't nose it back over. I believe this airplane would have flown out of there if it had been a long Runway and he had rotated and climbed out much faster than normal, perhaps even 20 knots or more. It may have flown out of there. Crazy though. Not advising any of this I'm just saying that might be truly where his luck ran out.
@@placidbeach not so sure, the ice already on the plane and the one continuing to form due to the conditions would have let them get away for long. 😑
@@kittytrail for sure, but my point is only that if he lifted off at a speed too slow for the icy heavy tail to point the nose down, he couldn't level off to gain speed and could have gotten stuck there, whereas if he had been going faster he might have been able to get away with it.
@@placidbeach yeah, "might"... too much problems before take-off and too little piloting skills and connected brain cells. 😑
@@kittytrail that's obviously true and nobody is arguing against it.
When I learned to fly years ago my instructor always reminded me of this phrase. There are old pilots and their are bold pilots, but they’re no old bold pilots.
Good phrase!
Such a worn out phrase! Every flight off the deck of a carrier requires a bold pilot.
Phweet! Red flagged for homophone abuse! 😂
@@eprn1n2 I don't think that is the point!
It's a saying for a reason and one to always keep in the front of your mind when planning a flight.
I always told my students taking the private license check ride. Upon a successful test and review of the examiners impressions. You now have a license to kill. Don't ever risk passenger safety!! Get an instrument rating next. Always take plenty of time for everything.
Cause of the accident, the nut on the control column
One of them was also sick all you hear is sniffing and coughing on the cvr. I think someone unqualified was trying to help in the right seat I'm I remember correctly and it was whoever was sick.
And a loose nut at that!
Perfect example of a person jumping, climbing, clawing their way over all the no go hurdles this flight presented, only to realize that is far better to be on the ground wishing you were up in the air, then be up in the air wishing you were on the ground. A glaring example of get there itis. God speed to all those affected.
Stay in your lane, buddy. YOU are NOT a pilot, I am.
@@GardenGuy1942 LOL..I have over 4500 Hours in anything from Piper Cubs to King Air 200's. I have taught tailwheel, aerobatics in Citabrias to Stearman's and specialized flight instruction for 8 years. While it is a paltry sum of flying hours to some, they have been quality hours spent in demanding airplanes in demanding conditions. There is a saying: There are two types of people flying. A pilot and an aviator. A pilot is somebody that just flies an airplane without the knowledge of its full capabilities and the capabilities of the world they fly in. They drone around the sky from point A to point B in blissful ignorance. Sure they have the license and past the check ride, but they don't fully get it. They don't get or practice all the little nuances that make you an aviator. An aviator takes the time to practice the art of flying. Understands the capabilities of what his aircraft can and can not do. They understand the environment in which they operate in, through practice and relative experience. You're right, I am not a pilot as you are. I am an aviator. I understand the lanes and I stand behind my comment, as most people would that fully understand aviation. Stick to gardening sir.
I haven't found a better quality production of accident case studies on UA-cam for GA planes. Excellent keep it up
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Outstanding production. In a sea of wanna be pilots this is excellent. You and Pilot Debrief with Hoover are the best I have seen.
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My grandson is taking flight training. States he's going to be another pilot in the family. It's my obligation to help him be a great pilot and not one who will take risks. Get thereitis is dangerous for everyone. Listen, when the tower controller advises not to do something stupid, take his advice! Controllers are affected by crashes too. Albeit mentally. He'll play that over and over in his mind, wondering what he could have said to not have this outcome.
I'm going to recommend to my grandson to watch this video. Hopefully, this video will stick with him, and he'll choose never to take a risky flight. Being known as a clear weather pilot will extend a person's life and others as well. Maybe why my instructor was alive and teaching at 92 years old. Ray didn't take risks.
Good luck to all pilots and future pilots. I hope yor all learn something from this video.
I know very little about aviation but I do know that this pilot was insane taking off in weather like that with a prop plane!
These reconsturcted videos of real airplanes accidents coupled with the organization of information given(important, and detailed perfectly without sayng too much) is one of the best videos i have seen. I cant wait for next months video. Thank you to the team doing all the work.
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Nothing wrong with the Pilatus other than that pilot.
I have almost 12,000 hrs of which 5,000 is in Pilatus Aircraft.
Pilatus makes the finest aircraft in the industry!
I worked at a small FBO, that was also the base for scheduled freight operations. Most of the men and women pilots employed there were professional and very competent. I interacted with many of them on a daily basis. In my mind, I knew who I would trust to fly with, and who I wouldn't follow into the men's room. That's the reality of most professions that demand high standards.
As a new pilot I find this absolutely insane. Like on every level just crazy.
Stay humble :) Never lose that feeling.
Keep watching accident case studies. Learn from the mistakes of others.
@@burncycle4621 keep watching them over and over. 😅
We need more of these! Binge worthy learning for all of us! Thank you for taking the time to write these for us!
So sad for the passengers. The one that was worried about the icing and the one who said the traveler's prayer really got to me. I wonder if the child was among the survivors.
12- & 5-year-olds died. The narrator of this video says the youngest was 7, but Kathryn's report has photos and shows Houston Hansen was 5. Don't recall how many children were on the plane.
The unfortunate children were probably the two passengers without a seat or safety belts. The pilot was extremely arrogant.
They didn't say the prayer because they were worried, they said it every time they flew. All passengers and the pilot were one family, they were very religious members of the LDS church. Also the one asking how much work the ice was sounds more interested than worried. I think they all trusted the pilot, who was also kind of the head of this family, very much
That prayer didn’t work. Not one in history has worked. Sad that guy was worried but probably too afraid to speak up.
There are people who get their friends in their cars and then drive them dangerously close to tornados, all to show what awesome guys they are. Looks like our pilot here was the same type. No one who cared more about his passengers' lives more than his own coolness would even think of doing this.
Something happened to me in my mid forties. I became risk averse.
I look back in amazement that I made it here. I was such an idiot.
Now I drive very carefully. Just this morning i felt tired onnthe road and found a place to stop and rest for a couple of hours.
I was awoken by two women on horses who must have assumed I had topped myself, being asleep on a remote hilltop, with the engine running.
They seemed to be relieved that I was ok.
So i got home late, but alive.
It has taken me decades to work out this simple fact. Push the limits at your peril.
Over to you, cancer, aneurism, cardiac arrest.
You and me both, Brother! I often wonder how I made it this far!
And PI does it AGAIN!!
Great video, guys! Well explained, the SFX are crazy real, and the editing is pure magic. I'll rewatch it with popcorn and a coke!
That was a great video !!!
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This is pure and simple, a case of extreme “ get home-itis. “. Very bad bas decision to to that day. PLUS all other items mentioned. To spend 3 hrs on a ladder de-icing. He was determined We’re going home TODAY. Feel so bad for the family. 😢
As a non-pilot... If I see icicles hanging off the empennage, I'm not getting on that plane! I can't believe this guy decided to go ahead.
Better yet, I can't believe the passengers boarded.
@@solefinder3708 The passengers weren't aware their pilot was making the wrong calls on not one, but multiple decision points simultaneously and against advice. Any one of those mistakes by themselves might have not been an issue, but all of them together is unfathomable.
Weight and balance. I learned VERY early how to calculate W&B. Using the airplane Datum point.
In modern airliners? Its averaged out, and there's a wide range of CG, or Center of Gravity compared to CL, or Center of Lift. Smaller airplanes aren't as forgiving.
I usually avoid Mondaymorning fingerpointing, but the actual footage is pretty damning. De-icing and hot-wings could possibly have given me additional confidence, but boots in this weather... no thanks. Another question : why wasnt he in the hangar ?
I believe I read some where that none were available that day. Regardless, not a good idea to leave in that snow storm. “If you’re right, fine, but if you’re wrong, it’s catastrophic!”
Snow/ice on the aft fuselage plus iced up horizontal stab plus contaminated runway plus freezing precipitation during taxi/TO plus aft CG plus low speed rotation equals guaranteed disaster. At some point you just have to just say to yourself “time to spare, go by air” and either go back to the lodge or rent a couple of SUV’s and drive home.
As a commercial pilot, ice, heavy weight, getting rushed, and thunderstorms never ceased to give me pause for concern.
If I were a passenger no way would I go on that plane in that weather. Some things are just too obvious even to non-pilots.
Same here , specially if I have children with me
The epitome of arrogance is when everyone tells you it’s unsafe, and you with the lives of 11 people in your hands, disregard ALL the physical signs and sound advice of airport professionals. What a POS he must have been in real life.
My thoughts exactly. At first, I was curious to see what tragic unforeseen thing might have transpired. No. Nothing tragic, or unforeseen. This guy, was a total TOOL that thought he was invincible and threw caution and common sense out of the window. I guess his ego always knew better.
Fully agree...Reminds me of the Titan sub guy
If there’s a Hell it was made for people like the pilot. It’s beyond just an accident . It was criminal to jeopardize other lives to this degree.
Actually, he was a very nice guy. These accidents happen to good people and bad. It simply comes down to poor judgment with terrible consequences
@@three1161 This was much more than an accident. It bordered on manslaughter.
The conversation with the FBO alone should have been enough to make him question his decision to fly. RIP to all who were lost.
this was well explained.
Great research and presentation 👍🏻
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This is such an excellent video. Well done
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Very good analysis.
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Thank You very much for your very clear and interesting video. It gives a lot of useful details, easy to understand for low experienced pilot.
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Consider in depth..the extra weight the airframe had due to ice build up. Then consider pilots actions near stall. It would be apparent that the pilot actually used the ailerons close to stall at low speed instead of exclusively using the rudder controls. Accidents usually happen when there is a series of events happening together. An avoidable accident.
The decision to take off was the first red flag? Not the improvised hardware store deicing fluid?
Iso's use was fairly common in the north. It lowers the freezing point of water and helps to loosen ice in order to remove it by hand.
Sometimes its the only option in the absence of heated type 2 fluid.
That said, an insulated bottle sprayer with a plug in heating element filled with type 2 beats it hands down. Not that expensive either.
Retired, Old, Bold,
I used the rule of 3 fits for many circumstances.
The 3P’s
Procedures
Policies
Philosophies
In flight training, they give you a handful of skill and a handful of luck. Don’t runout of either.
I won’t discuss at ramp!!! Obvious
Even during taxi out the rule of three. 7mins From ATC NEGATIVE TELL THEM WHAT YOU NEED!!
Radio 📻 transmission warnings from airport
The taxi 🚕
Stay safe thanks for sharing.
So very sad when the hubris of one person claims the Iives of many. 😢
Great video! Sad story!
There's just so much wrong with this flight. Taking out the bad decision to go, the decision to rotate early and try to climb at that rate WHILE TURNING is absolutely mind-boggling. Simply accepting a modest rate of climb and slowly building airspeed straight out would have likely avoided the loss of control. In looking at the area, climbing just 200' straight out would have put them over everything and had a clear path to climb at a paltry 100 feet a minute if need-be to keep their speed up. Just poor airmanship all the way around when you combine that with all of the bad aeronautical decision making. Just goes to show you that no matter how advanced the aircraft, the basic flight principles will always apply.
What if he didn't turn itself ? Possible drag from ice + low speed ? Not free and clear flight controls ?
pilot routinely rotated early and too quickly--a habit which ultimately killed him
sure, all the other factors mattered in this accident, but if it weren't for that, he might've gotten away with the rest
I was a pro pilot with an ATP and over 5000 hours when I took off from Denver Stapleton airport in VFR conditions. This was in a Piper Chieftain and it was a cargo flight. During my rest period (in the hangar) the plane was loaded with 2 big copy machines and a bunch of newspaper bundles for me to drop off at various locations en route to Missoula MT. The W&B form looked like it was filled out correctly, but it wasn't. I was loaded to an aft CG....beyond the envelope. As soon as I was airborne the pitch control felt very touchy. Very touchy. It was hard to hold pitch, even in cruise. I figured out what was up and landed at the first available airport north bound and got rid of some of those bundles. Took off and the plane felt normal. I do not think a private pilot, or a beginning pilot could have handled the pitch sensitivity and developed serious osculations resulting in a crash. ...just sayin....
Thank you that advice and story is worth its weight in gold. I had thought of this guy had just rotated faster and climbed out faster he would have been okay and just lucky enough to die in the not-too-distant future rather than on this particular day, but your testimony is that it's not just the low speed uncontrollable elevator that's the problem but delicacy everywhere else in the speed ranges as well.
Ice on the tail has brought down more than one airplane when the ice affects the airflow over the elevators and they lose effectivness
Great video! KPRC gang!
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Wow. The guy could not have been given more clear warnings. Talk about a suicidal pilot. Talk about wrongful death for the passengers. Such arrogance.
Do more videos like this one ☝️. Perfect presentation.
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In my time working in line service, I've witnessed some pilots use a pump sprayer with TKS fluid or spray bottles of isopropyl alcohol to remove light ice and frost before when they're too cheap to pay for an overnight hangar or de-ice truck. Not a risk I'd take. If I saw that going on, I'd usually go chat with them and offer to push them into one of the heated maintenance hangars long enough to melt it off. Usually only took 10 or 15 minutes so we didn't even charge for it.
Wow why would they do such a thing. Rip
Computers don’t have to be better than the best, just better than the worst at their worst.
Ego. Gotta show how awesome they are.
@@brucebaxter6923 What are you referring to?
how many lbs. of ice were behind the CG? adding to the aft cg.
So hard to measure.
follow the rules and fly safely nice conclusion as a student pilot must follow rules in order to fly safely
Hold up if I'm not mistaken this is the crash where they were deicing the plane with janitorial equipment missing most of it. Then they were told the runway was too bad and the airport owner advised them not to depart. Instead the pilot basically rushed his crew of the runway plowing through the unprepared runway and taking off. Once airborne the instantly started having stick shaker activations until eventually smoking it into the terrain. Plus they were flying with all those people like it was a school bus.
This is an interesting addition to the PI world, so thanks for that! Why would a pilot take off in weather like that?
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Ego. Gotta show how awesome they are. "Bad weather? Nah! Not for me!"
@@charlesfaure1189, you’re right! I believe PI left out comments on the voice recorded where the PIC commented about how poorly the plow driver was doing clearing the snow and that he could have cleared it all by now.
My flight instructor told me once: “It’s better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing you were on the ground”
Insane pilot 😮
The no go decision should have been taken from the moment. My condolences to all those who lost loved ones and family members
I flew commercially. We treat icing seriously. This guy???
Great Video !
Condolences to the families and friends. Great educational video. May they rip. Amen 🙏.
SAD. :{ I would like to know what was sooooo important not to stay at the lodge again another night or two? I cant' believe he had the nerve to take the innocent pax up (over loaded) into that weather. What was so important? People need a reality check that they are not sooo important and that they can actually be late a day or two, or week and the Earth will still keep on spinning. Take care pilots.
A demon possessed him.
@@solefinder3708 Quite the opposite. He wanted to not fly on Sunday and not miss Church. Huge Mormon family. BWTFDIK?
@@markhangen6990 Yes, exactly, he didn't want to fly, yet in the end he did, which probably means a demon possessed him.
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Holy crap I practiced power-on stalls with my instructor today and 15deg pitch up is absolutely terrifying - it feels very wrong. Just another way this guy seemed absolutely determined to have a crash.
Here's the difference in my opinion. Aft CG and overloaded, if you aren't flying intentionally faster than the normal rotate and climb out speeds, your elevator is no longer capable of pushing the nose over when you push in on the yoke. You're in an out-of-control situation climbing steeper and steeper with no capability to correct. He was trying to get off the rough Runway quick and then his plan would be to nose it over and climb shallow and gain airspeed. Critical mistake by rotating early he never got enough airspeed to be able to nose it over in the first place so he just power-on stall-climbed until it crashed.
Swept wing aircraft fly at much higher pitch angles than square wing aircraft. 15 degrees pitch up isn’t unusual in a swept wing
very well done, thankyou
I wrote several deice programs back when they were first mandated for 121 operators in the 90s, and since then have reviewed many more. The first place I went to conduct training was to our pilot cadre in Anchorage. Of course they already knew all about icing, but what I taught them made them look at things a bit differently.
Airplanes don't know under which rules they are being flown - and ice doesn't care what it sticks to. This airplane, had it been hangared overnight and brought out quickly and departed quickly, "might" have made it (the old five minute rule). But any ice sticking to the tail is a no-go. And isopropyl alcohol is not a good deice fluid, at low viscosity and no non-Newtonian properties (non-Newtonian meaning it stays on the surface until blown off just below rotation speed, around 80-85 KIAS IIRC, which leaves many smaller planes unable to use it). Even a splash of Type I fluid may have made the difference for this family. Sadly, it wasn't even an option for this flight.
Add to it the macho pilot attitude, the get-there-itis, and loading the airplane beyond max in terrible flying conditions is, well you see the results of that recipe.
Video was well, done, Pilot Institute.
I know everything " and" it's fine, I will be ok" added to "gotta get home" is a for sure accident in making.
taking off into that is absolutely insane for my personal minimums. This guy has the Muy Macho attitude.
IMO, and I am not a pilot, everything point in the same direction, the pilot has not enough training/respect for it job, and probably this was not the first time he cut some corners.
And to do all these with its family onboard, please!
Nice video!
2 people didnt even have a freaking seat??? I cant believe he talked anyone into getting in that thing with him.
There are pilots who are wealthy, and exceed their ability. They can afford an airplane beyond their skills or abilities. Usually it's a Bonanza. This goes beyond
Definitely more dollars than sense.
@@toddsmith8608 This guy was “new money”.
So sad. I'm just an imaginary pilot, but watching some of these GA tragedies makes me wonder if there isn't a tendency, on the part of some including this pilot, to place too much confidence in the power, bells and whistles of newer, higher-end aircraft. "No worries, this is a PC-12." Just a thought.
How do you ignore a stick pusher? Was there terrain to avoid? Had he kept climb angle to normal would he have made it?
"Get-there-itis" is a killer.
"In aviation, you never HAVE TO BE anywhere." (M Zero A)
Macho hazardous attitude, "We'll be fine." (Assumes facts not in evidence.)
EDIT: Rusty pilot with paid passengers onboard SMH! This video just gets worse and worse!
With that weather, why would you even fly in the day before?
One amazing pilot and willing passengers, corn had not been harvest ?
Calculated risk taking is usually successful, and that success breeds a self-confidence that increasingly substitutes for the rules. The longer you've successfully taken risks, the more risks you become willing to take - and do. Virtually everyone gets away with risk taking, but sometimes the consequences of multiple risks combine at the same time and and place by either accident or fate, and this is the result. Had a single risk factor been removed or even slightly delayed in time this video wouldn't exist.
I hate to say it but the first 3 minutes and what else can I say? He had it coming. Almost like he was asking for it. And god sure did deliver.
One time I was in Charleston WV in snow … I paid $600 to have the ice removed from my airplane before flight. It worked. I was in a known ice 58 Baron.
I have flown a PC12. It’s nice. The 3 survivors probably have the strength and quality of the airplane to thank for their survival.
You can actually see in the video the plane rolling to the left. I'm pretty sure they've heard the loud impact, but preferred to ignore due to the bad weather outside, or excusing as a thunder.
I grew up in a six, being a twin our children (4 ) could not all fit in my dad's Cherokee 180 after we were born so he upgraded. My dad was a flying o Orthopeadic surgeon and flew many hunting trips from FAKD in SA to Windhoek in South West Africa in the the early 70's. In 1977 he had a heart attack with us in the plane comming back crom my Grandmothers farm. He landed us safley lost his medical and cried when he sold her. He got his medical back in 1984 and eventually bought back his Cherokee C180
This is a perfect example of the Swiss Cheeze model. Anyone who has common sense, wouldn't have flown in this kind of weather.This plane should have never left the ground. Condolences to the families, of those who parished.
He had two passengers sitting on the floor because there weren't enough seats. The fact is, there were enough seats, there were too many people.
excellent presentation. thanks. i'll be back.
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One of those Bold pilots
I remember a guy back in the early 90’s who had recently obtained his instrument rating telling someone that he could fly anytime because “weather was not a factor”. Obviously, his instructors skipped a very important lesson during his training.
This makes me wonder just what the pressing issue was that had this pilot ignoring so many red flag warnings for this flight, putting so many people's lives at risk and ultimately paying a tragic price. So sad and so preventable.
Question.. Would of it better to have refueld the day of flight, and not day before.
Well done to the airport manager that tried to stop him and the farmer that found the crash in time to save 3 people. They both cared about strangers more than the pilot cared about his friends and family.
Geezus.... You you're using pilot lingo, i understand of course. AIRMET, TAF, other meteoroligical reports. This guy SHOULD NOT HAVE FLOWN in that airplane.
As a pilot for United, now retired, I have flown in some bad weather. We have rules. We have limitations. We don't fly when it's unsafe. Period
I’ve read thousands of air accident reports over the years and I think the level of hubris and arrogance demonstrated by the ‘pilot’ here is only surpassed by his incompetence. This has to be the most jaw-dropping account of a disastrous lack of airmanship I’ve ever read. Sympathy to the in innocent victims.