If I use two different monitors one 1080 and one 1440p while the 1080 monitor refresh rate is 144 and the 1440p is running at 165 will the other monitor bottleneck it?
The thing i love most about zachs q&a videos is that he always starts with "thats a great question" so no matter how small or insignificant/stupid it is the person asking doesnt feel stupid. Keep it up zach
@@actuallyGhostie_homie he offers great advice and guidance and is the definition of anti shill. He protects the consumers from scammers. It is why he pushed so hard for everyone to get in on the NZXT rent to not own subscription PC service. Definitely worth a search on UA-cam.
I mean, to be fair, these are actually good questions for people who don't know as much about PCs as we do. I feel like most of these shorts are aimed at new people in the PC space and I love it, because the more people come to the PC space (and get their informations from a trustworthy source) the better.
I just realized you can still take advantage of the integrated gpu by connecting a second monitor to the mobo it should be fine to display videos, movies, work related stuff that you want out of the way but still easy to access
I have a genuine question , so by doing this the performance in games will remain the same ? I need it for streaming so will the second monitor using integrated graphics put load on the cpu and hamper performance ?
@@riyandalvi4774it should not increase load on your CPU because there is a extra "chip" inside the CPU for handling that. The only thing that could be a thing is heat. Not in any way that should concern you but yeah more heat could lead to less performance if your cooler does not cool your CPU enough. If i remember correctly because your question by itself was a question i also had a few years back.
@@riyandalvi4774 I don't know much about streaming besides the fact big streamers have a dedicated pc for streaming so i think its quite taxing on the hardware to stream at high resolutions (ZTT also has a dedicated pc fo streaming) i think a igpu is not enough for that...but it would be good as a statistics monitor/comments and donations display! also dorkanius is right
For me CPU with integrated GPU is a good thing to have. If your GPU having a trouble and have to send it for repair or waiting a replacement, you could still do light things like browsing while waiting for your GPU.
Yes that’s exactly what I did when my GPU broke waiting until my new one came. I was even able to play fortnite, on the low setting but still playable.
@@ChatoandGravy Yes but then it's probably better to use temporarily an older GPU you have lying around that still better than an iGPU. Unless you are new to PC building and don't have a single GPU yet.
Yeah I had this scenario. Sure, I had an old GPU lying around but you have more work testing what's broken. You might save 10-20 without iGPU but overall I would say it's worth it because you have more options for a 2nd CPU life as an office computer or whatever.
AMD GPUs actually have a feature where you can play games on your dGPU and if it detects a iGPU it will actually put video decoding on that GPU. So if you watch UA-cam while gaming, it will actually decode the video using the iGPU, giving you slightly more performance in the game.
For me personally I've always preferred to have cpus with integrated graphics. Personally I've used them as a secondary transcoder device, I used to record locally my streams back when I had time to do them, setting QuickSync/VCE as the recording hardware and Nvenc as the transmission hardware, and any other day it can be a backup if something goes wrong with a discrete card, so that my pc doesn't become a paperweight.
for many streamers and gamers with a bit more motivation, you may have more than one monitor, using the integrated GPU for the optional satellite monitors will free up more resources in the discrete GPU to render more on the Primary monitor.
Things to note. plugging in your side monitors to the integrated graphics can help fix the problem of side monitors with low refresh rate making the main monitor's refresh rate cap when watching a twitch stream on said side monitors
These are really good questions, and I lik that you don't pander or talk down to people who don't know. I try to emulate this when answering questions myself. People don't know things, and that's okay! By asking they show they want to know and that's worthy of respect.
In a recent driver review done by Ancient Gameplays (I think it was a beta version of 24.9.1) AMD put in their release that AFMF can be used with the integrated graphics while the game is rendered with the dedicated GPU. I'm totally unaware of how to do this and haven't seen any information about it but it would be awesome to run FSR or Frame Gen on the integrated graphics to free up GPU load. An interesting application you could easily do is render the game with the dedicated GPU and run the screen recording in OBS with the iGPU.
I believe the motherboard needs a MUX switch to be able to assign different tasks to integrated or dedicated graphics. My laptop has a MUX and I can switch between the integrated 780m or the RTX 4060 with the push of a button, on the fly. It's pretty handy when I want to save power.
Random fact some older amd A series and FX series cpus and some athlons too I think could crossfire with entry level gpus of the same generation and do some level of fps increase but since they didn’t have the same pci bus it wasn’t that much of an increase
Hybrid Graphics was possible with the A8 Llano cores and the A10 Kaveri And Godaveri cores as well as others in that same family had to crossfire the r7 graphics built in with an r7 250 when using an A10-7800 series APU. (A10 7850,7860,7890) etc. However you are correct at most it only gave a 10% performance increase and did cause stuttering in some games just the same as regular old SLI or crossfire did.
Hey Zach, you should make a video on Windows LTSC, yes it is an official version. It will get updates until 2032 and comes with no bloatware. It’s surprising how many people don’t know about this!
Any suggestions for a $2200 build built around a 4080 super i would prefer a non white build i just dont like the look of white builds. Edit 7900 xtx is just as good if im right and i would prefer amd over nvida anyways and at 1440p i dont need 4k i already got monitors
@@drew2626I have a quadro m3000m laptop it’s equal to a gtx 970m. It games pretty good for valve titles, Minecraft, cod games amazingly well up till mw 2019, and Fortnite on dx11
You could use your iGPU for hardware acceleration in your various background programs (discord, browser) leaving your dGPU for your primary task. You could also use your iGPU for encoding your game capture, or you could render your stream effects on your iGPU instead of your primary dGPU.
I'd only upgrade if you have to. AM4 is still capable, just not for long. So if you think you'd benefit from the longevity of am5 then I'd say go for it. the 7700x would be a perfect cpu for the 4070ti.
I believe this is going to change soon, I believe one of the big three if not two of them was working on a way to make them work together for better performance
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recommend you guys who are going to buy a laptop to go for ones with both discrete and integrated gpu, other than a power saving option, it's also just incase if your laptop's discrete gpu ain't working, you'll still at least get the laptop's monitor to be able to display your screen so atleast u can do some backups or other stuff that doesn't need the power of a discrete gpu
lmao thats what i did and it still only lasts like under 2 hrs just idling 😭😭 (i use it plugged in 90% of the time, and it only charges up to 80% to preserve battery health)
For 90% of people it will work as intended, for 10% it will go "rouge" not allowing you to use discrete card where it matters. I've had cases where integra goes to 100% and visibly struggling, but just refuses to use dedicaded graphic card, even when you manually change it.
You can use integrated graphics to, for example run the Blender user interface while utilizing a dedicated GPU for rendering. This setup allows you to free up resources on your dedicated GPU for rendering tasks, which can be beneficial for performance. So it CAN give you an advantage in specific cases
Something I'm pressure you could do is connect your other monitors to your IGPU to help keep a little bit of load off your GPU, tho the "performance" gained most likely be small
@@drew2626 Pardon? How what? How to plug in a monitor? I cant tell you how it works with my system. I activated hybrid mode in the bios and I pluged one monitor into the displayport and the other into the HDMI port of the mainboard. Windows will in the most cases decide which GPU to use. When it it not doing that you have to choose in system/screen/graphic performance and Windows will use the graphics card. I use Windows 11. Yes, it works. When I start a game the fans of my graphics card will start to spin and you can see in the AMD driver that windows is using the correct one. And I have no monitor plugged in the graphics card. But only a 60 HZ and 75 Hz monitor. I think that most mainboards will not support more.
I did it for my current build. This adds choice for when you're in a budget and didn't want to spend for full size gpu but want to buy it later. It also acts as a backup gpu if you want to troubleshoot the main gpu later.
Its useful since you can offload some processing to the iGPU while keeping the dGPU exclusive to graphic intensive tasks, its just a pain to setup. I actually use two discrete GPUs for that.
@@ImC0n4nhe didn’t do research when taking a sponsorship from NZXT which had him promote what was basically a scam preying on those who couldn’t afford to buy a pc outright
Actually If you use your pc for encoding videos or streaming it does give you a boost if you have a AMD GPU with an AMD APU and you enable smart access video. You also can use your cpu for applications in the background or on another monitor if your gpu is maxed out but you still have some cpu left.
For people with machine learning usages I think it may help as basic tasks such as rendering windows, etc. are handled by the integrated gpu and the machine learning tasks are handled by the dedicated gpu. I mean you'd need to plug the cable into mobo but that won't be an issue for ML guys.
Honestly even for light gaming, something like the 8600G isn't awful, and it's super cheap right now. You can run most titles in decent quality at 1080p close to 60fps. They're around $160 at the moment.
One benefit I found to using an integrated graphics chip along side a discrete gpu was when I was gaming and wound up crashing to black screen. The pc didn't turn off or anything, I just lost my screen. So I switched my input from my gpu to the motherboard and was welcomed to a crash report about a driver timeout. Apparently a shader in the game I was playing had a bad time with the gpu driver and caused the problem. I wouldn't have known if I didn't have the integrated graphics to fall back on.
Another thing for integrated graphics is that if enabled with dedicated gpu, it works great as the secondary monitor putting less strain on the gpu towards performance.
Yesterday I was searching for your old shorts where you talk about benefits of Intel integrated graphics in premier pro and today an another short about integrated graphics, what a coincidence😮
Its nice for a second monitor so your GPU isnt wasting parts of itself, but also integrated can break your bios settings, stopping your GPU from booting
Uhhh actually *Insert Nerd Emoji* I have a 12600k and an rx6650xt And I have a 1080p 75hz monitor and a 4k TV 60hz When the gpu is only plugged in, the mouse and games are like a few frames before, but when I plug the monitor to the igpu and the TV to the GPU, I get a huge boost in performance and makes it look much more smoother.
Back in the day we could use AMD CrossFire to use the CPU graphics with the dedicated GPU for a slight performance boost. They discontinued this at the same time that Nvidia discontinued SLI. It wasn't very good, with limited performance, but it was fun to play around with 😊
It’s also worth noting that some processors that do come with integrated graphics like the 8700G have half the x16 PCIe lanes reserved for the IGP, leaving you with just 8 lanes to use for the discrete GPU. While, say, PCIe 4.0 x8 usually provides sufficient bandwith for the majority of GPUs today, there are certanily some cases where it could gimp its performance
There is a benefit to an integrated GPU for VR gamers that I have found. If you use the integrated GPU to render Steam VR in the background this can free up a tiny bit of resources for the main GPU in whatever you're playing.
a good use for an integrated grqphics cpu is to diagnose if there is ever a graphics card failure. But i doubt that happens that regularly for it to be needed.
I have a laptop with a dgpu and igpu and i only use my dgpu for editing, gaming, rendering etc. and my igpu can handle things like browsing or casual tasks so I can save power
My laptop has a dedicated graphics card that only activates for games or other things that need it, and just uses the cpu integrated graphics for everything else. Not sure how much that helps performance, or if it actually just switches to full gpu once it's activated
Built my first pc last week after only ever having laptops. Been using the integrated graphics on my 9800x3d until my gpu comes in and it works surprisingly well.
Another cool thing is that if you have lossless scaling you can use the igpu for lossless scaling (so lossless won't utilize a part of the dgpu) so you actually double the fps at almost no performance cost.
I've been running a setup like this for a while, connecting a secondary monitor to the integrated GPU, making games use the main GPU and other programs such as Discord use the iGPU
You should have mentioned that nearly all of those steam deck clones like the ROG ALLY are using AMDs integrated 780m graphics, they play many games just fine and people love them.
A context where both is useful is apps like lossless scaling, where you can use APU to generate interpolated frames while your dGPU is used to generate actual base frames
I always thought Intel GPUs had it. Just bought a 14900KF and was annoyed it doesnt have it! Is there a really tiny PCIE graphics card i can get that could fit in my box? I have a YT60 case with a riser card for a stand up 4090 so that limits what else i can put in?
Use the gpu for gaming on your main monitor. Use igpu on the cpu with your second monitor and mobo port for running videos and other light tasks on second monitor when gaming.
When I, for the first time ever got a stationary pc like 7 years ago, I had it plugged into my motherboard for like 2 years, not knowing I could plug it into the GPU, I know a bit more about computers now than I did when I was 12
I would say it can a bit. For example if you have wallpaper engine running you can set it to the internal graphics, taking some load off the dedicated one. While not a lot it can add up and help a bit. I’m not sure if this is possible on pcs but I do it on my laptop
I have recently bought a gaming pc with i5 14400f, rtx 4060 and 24gb ram 5200mhz, i am casual gamer and a coder is my built good and worth it, it my first pc.
it wont affect the performance out of the box but there are ways around it. someone did make an AMD 7900XTX and a Nvidia RTX 4090 work together in games by using 4090 for processing geometry, materials, textures etc + DLSS frame generation and 7900XTX for rendering the game (putting pixels in the place that they should be on the screen) + FSR Super Resolution. it gave him 3 times the performance of using only one of the GPUs. so its possible but its not easy to implement.
I really like the look of 5 fans in a micro atx case with 2 on the top as exhaust, 1 on the back for exhaust, and 2 at the front for intake but i heard your supposed to have positive pressure so would it be better to only use 3 fans? love the vids
If youre using laptop or need to save energy you can rely on integrated graphics while your dedicated graphics will be on "standby mode" . But its stupid thing for games anyway, but watching anime, youtube and so on is perfectly work on igpu. Just make sure to activate hybrid mode (gpu passthrough or any other names depends on mb's and gpu's brands) in bios.
Maybe this is no longer true, but back in the day, you could actually use crossfire for your AMD integrated graphics and GPU. This was pre-ryzen when in the integrated graphics were a selling point for AMD. They used their most up to date architecture for the integrated graphics and doing this you can have the GPUs work together. This was great for entry class builds. You could build a PC for like 350 using integrated graphics, then upgrade it later with a gpu and get a slight boost from just having the GPU. This was also back when there were decent 100-150 GPUs.
AMD used to have a feature on the older apus before Ryzen called dual graphics where you could basicly crossfire a Radeon gpu with your apu graphics. I wish that feature took off would be cool
Virtualization can benefit from having both for example. You could use the integrated graphics for the host os and passthrough the gpu to the virtual machine. That way the vm and host os don’t have to share the resources of the gpu.
There was a type of laptop iGPU in the past that was able to utilise switchable graphics for AMD that would use a technology similar to AMD Crossfire to use both the iGPU and the dGPU in the laptop to render the graphics, which could boost performance. This was primarily on laptops in the early 2010s, but it was helpful at times. Sadly, this isn't a thing anymore.
You can configure OBS to use your iGPU to make all the video processing leaving all of the dGPU for the game while you record or stream. Also some some productivity programs can use intel deep link, if you have an Intel Arc dGPU and an intel 12th gen cpu or later with iGPU both GPUs combine their power to boost performance in that program, however not many programs have this feature since it is relatively New.
Any other questions for the rookie PC builders?
What's a good monitor for 200 euros (germany)
If I use two different monitors one 1080 and one 1440p while the 1080 monitor refresh rate is 144 and the 1440p is running at 165 will the other monitor bottleneck it?
Im planning to upgrade my gpu so should i get the rx 6600 for 200€ or should i get the 6650 xt for 220€ instead?
Gtx 1650 or gtx 1060ti?
Is it ok to build a PC with an Am4 CPU if I am not planning on upgrading in a long time? Also I have a 750 to 800 $ budget
The thing i love most about zachs q&a videos is that he always starts with "thats a great question" so no matter how small or insignificant/stupid it is the person asking doesnt feel stupid.
Keep it up zach
Naw he still does the🤦
Occasionally he does roast people in the comments though. 😄
@@actuallyGhostie_homie he offers great advice and guidance and is the definition of anti shill. He protects the consumers from scammers. It is why he pushed so hard for everyone to get in on the NZXT rent to not own subscription PC service. Definitely worth a search on UA-cam.
@@thebasketballhistorian3291tbf, the only people I see him roast are outright dumb or just crappy people
I mean, to be fair, these are actually good questions for people who don't know as much about PCs as we do. I feel like most of these shorts are aimed at new people in the PC space and I love it, because the more people come to the PC space (and get their informations from a trustworthy source) the better.
I just realized you can still take advantage of the integrated gpu by connecting a second monitor to the mobo it should be fine to display videos, movies, work related stuff that you want out of the way but still easy to access
I have a genuine question , so by doing this the performance in games will remain the same ? I need it for streaming so will the second monitor using integrated graphics put load on the cpu and hamper performance ?
@@riyandalvi4774it should not increase load on your CPU because there is a extra "chip" inside the CPU for handling that. The only thing that could be a thing is heat. Not in any way that should concern you but yeah more heat could lead to less performance if your cooler does not cool your CPU enough. If i remember correctly because your question by itself was a question i also had a few years back.
@@riyandalvi4774 I don't know much about streaming besides the fact big streamers have a dedicated pc for streaming so i think its quite taxing on the hardware to stream at high resolutions (ZTT also has a dedicated pc fo streaming) i think a igpu is not enough for that...but it would be good as a statistics monitor/comments and donations display! also dorkanius is right
We can't connect the second display to the same gpu ?? Will it decrease the gaming performance
@@slayanime106Yes it will, but with any modern card it shouldn’t be noticable
For me CPU with integrated GPU is a good thing to have.
If your GPU having a trouble and have to send it for repair or waiting a replacement, you could still do light things like browsing while waiting for your GPU.
Yes that’s exactly what I did when my GPU broke waiting until my new one came. I was even able to play fortnite, on the low setting but still playable.
Or while Saving up for a GPU
@@ChatoandGravy Yes but then it's probably better to use temporarily an older GPU you have lying around that still better than an iGPU. Unless you are new to PC building and don't have a single GPU yet.
My GPU started making my computer crash so I removed it and still haven't replaced it
Yeah I had this scenario. Sure, I had an old GPU lying around but you have more work testing what's broken.
You might save 10-20 without iGPU but overall I would say it's worth it because you have more options for a 2nd CPU life as an office computer or whatever.
AMD GPUs actually have a feature where you can play games on your dGPU and if it detects a iGPU it will actually put video decoding on that GPU. So if you watch UA-cam while gaming, it will actually decode the video using the iGPU, giving you slightly more performance in the game.
as long as there are no problems with it.. AMD driver going insane sometimes :D
Would be cool if just the desktop was rendered by iGPU and just games rendered my dGPU
@@immaculate_tarnishedI've been using it without issues. Amd drivers are fine. It also increased performance.
@@he8535exactly what amd hybrid graphics does. Has to be amd cpu with iGPU and amd dGPU though.
Or if you're streaming.
I assign my integrated graphics to run everything on my 2nd monitor, while my GPU does everything on my main monitor.
For me personally I've always preferred to have cpus with integrated graphics. Personally I've used them as a secondary transcoder device, I used to record locally my streams back when I had time to do them, setting QuickSync/VCE as the recording hardware and Nvenc as the transmission hardware, and any other day it can be a backup if something goes wrong with a discrete card, so that my pc doesn't become a paperweight.
Same. The first time I bought a board with no integrated graphics I was worried but I had a backup GPU so what could go wrong... the slot died!!! 😡
It will effect "can I play this" which will sometimes read the integrated graphic not your gpu
It would be cool if we could link GPUs together just like back in the day
Yeah but barely any games supported SLI
Lossless Scaling can do that for frame generation, it's pretty much magic
@@ivanvladimir0435 frame gen is literally unplayable
@@info2006 You aren't using it right if it's unplayable for you
@info2006No, it's not.
for many streamers and gamers with a bit more motivation, you may have more than one monitor, using the integrated GPU for the optional satellite monitors will free up more resources in the discrete GPU to render more on the Primary monitor.
Things to note. plugging in your side monitors to the integrated graphics can help fix the problem of side monitors with low refresh rate making the main monitor's refresh rate cap when watching a twitch stream on said side monitors
These are really good questions, and I lik that you don't pander or talk down to people who don't know. I try to emulate this when answering questions myself. People don't know things, and that's okay! By asking they show they want to know and that's worthy of respect.
In a recent driver review done by Ancient Gameplays (I think it was a beta version of 24.9.1) AMD put in their release that AFMF can be used with the integrated graphics while the game is rendered with the dedicated GPU. I'm totally unaware of how to do this and haven't seen any information about it but it would be awesome to run FSR or Frame Gen on the integrated graphics to free up GPU load.
An interesting application you could easily do is render the game with the dedicated GPU and run the screen recording in OBS with the iGPU.
I believe the motherboard needs a MUX switch to be able to assign different tasks to integrated or dedicated graphics. My laptop has a MUX and I can switch between the integrated 780m or the RTX 4060 with the push of a button, on the fly. It's pretty handy when I want to save power.
I can do it with lossless I put the frame gen in the igpu and run the game in the dgpu of the laptop
Thank you, man🙏
Random fact some older amd A series and FX series cpus and some athlons too I think could crossfire with entry level gpus of the same generation and do some level of fps increase but since they didn’t have the same pci bus it wasn’t that much of an increase
I had dreams of building an ultra compact hybrid crossfire gaming PC for my small apartment. Unfortunately, I was a broke college student at the time.
Hybrid Graphics was possible with the A8 Llano cores and the A10 Kaveri And Godaveri cores as well as others in that same family had to crossfire the r7 graphics built in with an r7 250 when using an A10-7800 series APU. (A10 7850,7860,7890) etc. However you are correct at most it only gave a 10% performance increase and did cause stuttering in some games just the same as regular old SLI or crossfire did.
While ago there was a rumor that amd is planning to enable moving the upscale process to igpu. Haven't heard anything since but I hope it happens
That would be great, iGPU based upscaling
Hey Zach, you should make a video on Windows LTSC, yes it is an official version. It will get updates until 2032 and comes with no bloatware. It’s surprising how many people don’t know about this!
When will your consulting services be back in stock?
Thanks! Making a video on this right now.
Can you help me build a pc for Minecraft? Max $750 budget
I'm Brazilian, some things are expensive here
What I did is: 4060, ddr4 16gb asus prime b550 m-k, 5600x
@mrcylinderyt Does it run Minecraft well? I'm planning on content creating
@mrcylinderyt I'm a bit new to PCs, I play on a duct taped i3 laptop, 650 integrated graphics. I'm playing at like 15-30 fps on low settings
Thank you! But sorry I haven no idea what the Brazillian market looks like or what's available.
@@ZachsTechTurf it's ok thanks for responding anyways, it's an honor
I have my iGPU as a backup in case my 7 year old GPU fails
Zack!! I Need Your Help
Okay so l'm building my first ever gaming/editing pc, and I need your input on whether or not I'm making the right decisions!
Here's my pcpartpicker List ID: 2YcZRV
Love your content btw, i legitimately watch you everyday ❤️🤞
Here's my popartpicker List ID: 2YcZRV
you should ask in super thanks, maybe he'll respond lmao
What's your parts list so far?
Any suggestions for a $2200 build built around a 4080 super i would prefer a non white build i just dont like the look of white builds.
Edit 7900 xtx is just as good if im right and i would prefer amd over nvida anyways and at 1440p i dont need 4k i already got monitors
Wait for 5080 not long now!
Gpu for gaming, integrated graphics for browser and lighter tasks
That’s the way it tends to be on my laptop dGPU for gaming 780M for light tasks or light gaming
No longer the case Ryzen 7 8700G without 32gb of ram shreds mid range GPUs
@@haidtrex8678 I have the Laptop equivalent of 8700G with 32GB and while it’s great mid range cards like the 4060 tear it to shreds
@@haidtrex8678what the 8700g has the same performance as a gtx 1650, which is a really low end card by now
@@drew2626I have a quadro m3000m laptop it’s equal to a gtx 970m. It games pretty good for valve titles, Minecraft, cod games amazingly well up till mw 2019, and Fortnite on dx11
You could use your iGPU for hardware acceleration in your various background programs (discord, browser) leaving your dGPU for your primary task. You could also use your iGPU for encoding your game capture, or you could render your stream effects on your iGPU instead of your primary dGPU.
It could give you a boost if you dedicate time to have some apps on the I-gpu and some on the dedicated
I run chrome on the iGPU and games on the dgpu and this prevents stuttering in chrome when a game in in the background
Does that mean if you're building a work station, you can buy a CPU with an integrated GPU and you don't need to install a grafics card?
My current gpu is a 4070 ti and cpu is ryzen 9 5950x. Is it worth going to am5 to get a better cpu?
W donate
Definately
I'd only upgrade if you have to. AM4 is still capable, just not for long. So if you think you'd benefit from the longevity of am5 then I'd say go for it. the 7700x would be a perfect cpu for the 4070ti.
Meow
Thanks! Making a video on this one.
I believe this is going to change soon, I believe one of the big three if not two of them was working on a way to make them work together for better performance
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recommend you guys who are going to buy a laptop to go for ones with both discrete and integrated gpu, other than a power saving option, it's also just incase if your laptop's discrete gpu ain't working, you'll still at least get the laptop's monitor to be able to display your screen so atleast u can do some backups or other stuff that doesn't need the power of a discrete gpu
lmao thats what i did and it still only lasts like under 2 hrs just idling 😭😭
(i use it plugged in 90% of the time, and it only charges up to 80% to preserve battery health)
For 90% of people it will work as intended, for 10% it will go "rouge" not allowing you to use discrete card where it matters.
I've had cases where integra goes to 100% and visibly struggling, but just refuses to use dedicaded graphic card, even when you manually change it.
You can use integrated graphics to, for example run the Blender user interface while utilizing a dedicated GPU for rendering. This setup allows you to free up resources on your dedicated GPU for rendering tasks, which can be beneficial for performance. So it CAN give you an advantage in specific cases
Something I'm pressure you could do is connect your other monitors to your IGPU to help keep a little bit of load off your GPU, tho the "performance" gained most likely be small
Yeah if you have dual monitors plug the second into your motherboard
@@drew2626
You can also plug both into the motherboard and use the GPU for gaming.
@@helloweener2007 how?
@@drew2626
Pardon?
How what? How to plug in a monitor?
I cant tell you how it works with my system.
I activated hybrid mode in the bios and I pluged one monitor into the displayport and the other into the HDMI port of the mainboard.
Windows will in the most cases decide which GPU to use. When it it not doing that you have to choose in system/screen/graphic performance and Windows will use the graphics card.
I use Windows 11.
Yes, it works. When I start a game the fans of my graphics card will start to spin and you can see in the AMD driver that windows is using the correct one.
And I have no monitor plugged in the graphics card.
But only a 60 HZ and 75 Hz monitor.
I think that most mainboards will not support more.
I did it for my current build. This adds choice for when you're in a budget and didn't want to spend for full size gpu but want to buy it later. It also acts as a backup gpu if you want to troubleshoot the main gpu later.
Hey zach love ur vids
Is the Rtx 4060 still bad value ?
Or Should i buy it or save up money and buy a 5070 when it releases ?
Please answer ❤
not if it's under 225 bucks
I bought it it's great
Buy it under 270 and you'll be fine the 4060 is a great graphics card and a 5070 will be priced at 2-3 4060s
I love your videos Zach you are just so consistant
Its crazy guys, modern ryzen cpus come with the igpu for free, no strings attached
They are more expensive though.
So it isn't exactly free.
@@thanhdohuu9473for some reason I got Ryzen 5 5600G for the same price as 5600X
i see what you did there
Especially that 780m iGPU that can run Witcher 3 at a stable 60 fps in medium or low graphics at 1080p
Its useful since you can offload some processing to the iGPU while keeping the dGPU exclusive to graphic intensive tasks, its just a pain to setup. I actually use two discrete GPUs for that.
Hey you’re that influencer that endorsed NZXT
Why do people keep saying this what happend
@@ImC0n4n NZXT rent-a-pc service is a *HUGE* scam for consumers and Zach here endorsed at some point... "No strings attached" he said...
@@ImC0n4nhe didn’t do research when taking a sponsorship from NZXT which had him promote what was basically a scam preying on those who couldn’t afford to buy a pc outright
You mean he's the sell out, banking off a company that scams, lies and takes advantage of poor people.
Did he delete the video @@dubbymazlo
Actually If you use your pc for encoding videos or streaming it does give you a boost if you have a AMD GPU with an AMD APU and you enable smart access video. You also can use your cpu for applications in the background or on another monitor if your gpu is maxed out but you still have some cpu left.
no strings attached..
For people with machine learning usages I think it may help as basic tasks such as rendering windows, etc. are handled by the integrated gpu and the machine learning tasks are handled by the dedicated gpu. I mean you'd need to plug the cable into mobo but that won't be an issue for ML guys.
Only if it’s rented
Honestly even for light gaming, something like the 8600G isn't awful, and it's super cheap right now. You can run most titles in decent quality at 1080p close to 60fps. They're around $160 at the moment.
Where is your great NZXT ad?
Ooooooh did he delete it? I'm not seeing it anywhere
One benefit I found to using an integrated graphics chip along side a discrete gpu was when I was gaming and wound up crashing to black screen. The pc didn't turn off or anything, I just lost my screen. So I switched my input from my gpu to the motherboard and was welcomed to a crash report about a driver timeout. Apparently a shader in the game I was playing had a bad time with the gpu driver and caused the problem. I wouldn't have known if I didn't have the integrated graphics to fall back on.
Make a reply to the controversy please we need to answers and the truth
Another thing for integrated graphics is that if enabled with dedicated gpu, it works great as the secondary monitor putting less strain on the gpu towards performance.
Yesterday I was searching for your old shorts where you talk about benefits of Intel integrated graphics in premier pro and today an another short about integrated graphics, what a coincidence😮
Its nice for a second monitor so your GPU isnt wasting parts of itself, but also integrated can break your bios settings, stopping your GPU from booting
Uhhh actually *Insert Nerd Emoji*
I have a 12600k and an rx6650xt
And I have a 1080p 75hz monitor and a 4k TV 60hz
When the gpu is only plugged in, the mouse and games are like a few frames before, but when I plug the monitor to the igpu and the TV to the GPU, I get a huge boost in performance and makes it look much more smoother.
Back in the day we could use AMD CrossFire to use the CPU graphics with the dedicated GPU for a slight performance boost. They discontinued this at the same time that Nvidia discontinued SLI. It wasn't very good, with limited performance, but it was fun to play around with 😊
Finally a video on both!
It’s also worth noting that some processors that do come with integrated graphics like the 8700G have half the x16 PCIe lanes reserved for the IGP, leaving you with just 8 lanes to use for the discrete GPU. While, say, PCIe 4.0 x8 usually provides sufficient bandwith for the majority of GPUs today, there are certanily some cases where it could gimp its performance
There is a benefit to an integrated GPU for VR gamers that I have found. If you use the integrated GPU to render Steam VR in the background this can free up a tiny bit of resources for the main GPU in whatever you're playing.
a good use for an integrated grqphics cpu is to diagnose if there is ever a graphics card failure. But i doubt that happens that regularly for it to be needed.
There's also a setting in the BIOS for using intergrated graphics in combination, however it might not be a feature on all motherboards.
I have a laptop with a dgpu and igpu and i only use my dgpu for editing, gaming, rendering etc. and my igpu can handle things like browsing or casual tasks so I can save power
My laptop has a dedicated graphics card that only activates for games or other things that need it, and just uses the cpu integrated graphics for everything else. Not sure how much that helps performance, or if it actually just switches to full gpu once it's activated
On Linux you can use the dGPU and iGPU together with Nvidia-bumblebee, which will give you a performance, although I bet that guy doesn't use Linux.
Built my first pc last week after only ever having laptops. Been using the integrated graphics on my 9800x3d until my gpu comes in and it works surprisingly well.
Another cool thing is that if you have lossless scaling you can use the igpu for lossless scaling (so lossless won't utilize a part of the dgpu) so you actually double the fps at almost no performance cost.
Amd used to have some feature that allowed amd apu to work alongside amd gpu for slightly higher fps, but that was way back around 2012
Over a decade ago I was using low end amd gpus for secondary monitors while only having the gaming monitor attached to the beefier GPU.
I've been running a setup like this for a while, connecting a secondary monitor to the integrated GPU, making games use the main GPU and other programs such as Discord use the iGPU
The integrated graphics in some early AMD APUs could actually CrossfireX with specific AMD GPUs, crazy times
You should have mentioned that nearly all of those steam deck clones like the ROG ALLY are using AMDs integrated 780m graphics, they play many games just fine and people love them.
What is a muck switch?
A context where both is useful is apps like lossless scaling, where you can use APU to generate interpolated frames while your dGPU is used to generate actual base frames
Was waiting for this comment otherwise I was gonna comment this myself lol
Some cpus and motherboards allocated on die resources to the input. So best to disable it in the bios to keep those resources for the cpu.
I always thought Intel GPUs had it. Just bought a 14900KF and was annoyed it doesnt have it! Is there a really tiny PCIE graphics card i can get that could fit in my box? I have a YT60 case with a riser card for a stand up 4090 so that limits what else i can put in?
The best way I’ve found to used iGPUs is use it for secondary displays, so the dGPU won’t be as strained, even if it makes a small bit of difference
Care to comment about latest NZXT endeavour on Gamers Nexus? Thanks.
Literally was thinking this same thing and wondering if you had made an answer thanks Zach
It’d be nice for the day when integrated graphics can be used in an SLI format with your gpu
Quick qs: which processor pairs up the best with the radeon r7 350x. An i3 10th gen or an i3 12th gen cpu?
But you can you VFIO and separate your computer into 2
There used to be a feature to do this on ASRock boards back in the i5-2500k days as i remember it being an option on the Z77 mobo i had.
Use the gpu for gaming on your main monitor. Use igpu on the cpu with your second monitor and mobo port for running videos and other light tasks on second monitor when gaming.
When I, for the first time ever got a stationary pc like 7 years ago, I had it plugged into my motherboard for like 2 years, not knowing I could plug it into the GPU, I know a bit more about computers now than I did when I was 12
Zach I liked it when u read any ones comments not just paid ones 😢
I would say it can a bit. For example if you have wallpaper engine running you can set it to the internal graphics, taking some load off the dedicated one. While not a lot it can add up and help a bit. I’m not sure if this is possible on pcs but I do it on my laptop
I always have integrated graphics because it barely costs more but is a backup and helps if something goes wrong with the pc
Having an i-gpu can help diagnose d-gpu failure as you can still have a display output even if d-gpu fails
I have recently bought a gaming pc with i5 14400f, rtx 4060 and 24gb ram 5200mhz, i am casual gamer and a coder is my built good and worth it, it my first pc.
it wont affect the performance out of the box but there are ways around it. someone did make an AMD 7900XTX and a Nvidia RTX 4090 work together in games by using 4090 for processing geometry, materials, textures etc + DLSS frame generation and 7900XTX for rendering the game (putting pixels in the place that they should be on the screen) + FSR Super Resolution. it gave him 3 times the performance of using only one of the GPUs. so its possible but its not easy to implement.
I use intel because if my GPU goes out because it’s a GTX 1650, I need something to work while buying a new one
Yall gotta say something about NZXT
I would love to hear a response about the recent Gamers Nexus piece on NZXT and what you plan to do going forward
You can use them together with lossless scaling. Make the game use your dedicated gpu and lossless scaling use your igpu.
I really like the look of 5 fans in a micro atx case with 2 on the top as exhaust, 1 on the back for exhaust, and 2 at the front for intake but i heard your supposed to have positive pressure so would it be better to only use 3 fans? love the vids
With some operating systems (Windows included), you can give any apps different GPU’s to utilise.
I was ready to call my dude out, until the very end. Good recant
If youre using laptop or need to save energy you can rely on integrated graphics while your dedicated graphics will be on "standby mode" . But its stupid thing for games anyway, but watching anime, youtube and so on is perfectly work on igpu. Just make sure to activate hybrid mode (gpu passthrough or any other names depends on mb's and gpu's brands) in bios.
Technically it's actually possible to use it on desktop but it's super weird
@SeabooUsMultimedia i mean new gpus consume 300+ watt, so you just spending money on heat
I turned it on recently, so i could attach my VGA connection old monitor. It was nice to try out having two monitors.
it’s good for recording software to allocate ur gpu specifically for gaming purposes
Maybe this is no longer true, but back in the day, you could actually use crossfire for your AMD integrated graphics and GPU. This was pre-ryzen when in the integrated graphics were a selling point for AMD. They used their most up to date architecture for the integrated graphics and doing this you can have the GPUs work together.
This was great for entry class builds. You could build a PC for like 350 using integrated graphics, then upgrade it later with a gpu and get a slight boost from just having the GPU. This was also back when there were decent 100-150 GPUs.
AMD used to have a feature on the older apus before Ryzen called dual graphics where you could basicly crossfire a Radeon gpu with your apu graphics. I wish that feature took off would be cool
Virtualization can benefit from having both for example.
You could use the integrated graphics for the host os and passthrough the gpu to the virtual machine.
That way the vm and host os don’t have to share the resources of the gpu.
what’s the difference between cpus like ryzen 5 5600 and 5600x
There was a type of laptop iGPU in the past that was able to utilise switchable graphics for AMD that would use a technology similar to AMD Crossfire to use both the iGPU and the dGPU in the laptop to render the graphics, which could boost performance. This was primarily on laptops in the early 2010s, but it was helpful at times. Sadly, this isn't a thing anymore.
You can configure OBS to use your iGPU to make all the video processing leaving all of the dGPU for the game while you record or stream. Also some some productivity programs can use intel deep link, if you have an Intel Arc dGPU and an intel 12th gen cpu or later with iGPU both GPUs combine their power to boost performance in that program, however not many programs have this feature since it is relatively New.