You realize Mary Jane won't die if they fix the timeline right? Peter isn't being rational Just like Miles potentially nuking his universe to "save" his dad
@@archivist_13if I remember right, he’s also one of the only hero’s the world remembers in 2099s universe because he was that good of a hero, always sacrificing everything and getting nothing in return
“What’s important is not allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing!” Such an awesome Spider-Man line, sounds like something Stan Lee would have written
@cornparade6874 @uncannydcmarvelous5732 you fans don't really understand is you have this character in the main core 616 books be very heavily restricted on a lot of things you want the character to grow with you when the character is not supposed to do that
@@theelitebattleangel , both the Thomas Wayne, (Batman Earth 2), and retired Bruce Wayne from the same universe grew as characters, so there's no reason as to why Marvel can't just let Spider-Man grow as a character other than the fact they want to lose sales to manga.
Indeed. Considering the game was written by Miguel’s co-creator Peter David, this game would be a good example of how 2099 should act before any kind of character development happens. Edit: I posted the comment too early. Didn’t finish the last sentence.
Arguably though, even if Miguel doesn't save MJ here it wouldn't change anything in the long-term because she'll be alive once the timeline gets fixed, but he goes and saves her anyway out of respect for Parker which is something I wanna see out of Spider-Verse's Miguel
“What’s important is not letting someone suffer or die because you do nothing if you don’t know that than you don’t know the first thing about being Spider-Man” -Peter Parker from edge of time
@@IronDinoNot everyone. It was one of my first thoughts after seeing "Across the Spider-Verse" . Easily my least favourite part of the movie because of how everyone was acting about "canon events". Was overall disappointed with the film because of it.
@@thebcwonder4850 It doesn't matter if the film doesn't believe in it. Thay make every Peter Parker believe in it and act accordingly. It's enough to make the movie a shit Spider-man movie. Because, as said by Peter in this video, "They don't get the first thing about being spider-man" if they make Peter act that way.
It was written by Peter David, who made Spider-Man 2099 and has written some of the best spidey stories out there so I think he understands the character pretty well 😊
“MY FUTURE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT HER!!” that line broke my heart and made me feel for Peter bro.. goes to show how frustrated and hurt he is, he’s been thru so much in a lot of iterations and the only time he finds closure and peace is with his relatives which is relatable asf.
I would said both since EoT Peter and EoT Miguel's is different than ASTV Miguel so i wouldn't mind that if both of this Spiderman is on ASTV movie and proof Miguel's is wrongs
@@ct578 , Christopher Daniel Barnes plays Spider-Man 2099 in this clip, so I agree VyceofMataMertha more that the best Peter Parker, (Spider-Man), is played by Josh Keaton.
@@kory.j6561 he caused an incursion by going and living his other hims life. He is responsible for that, and he’s pushing the blame and such on Miles and making up this false doctrine about “canon”
All 4 spider-men from Shattered dimensions voiced Peter in cartoons in the past. Amazing voice: Spider-Man: The new animated series(MTV 2003) Noir voice: 90s Spider-Man 2099 voice: Spider-Man and his amazing friends Ultimate voice: Spectacular Spider-Man.
A minor issue I have with ATSV is that Miguel never really shows Peter how much he respects him. But I’m the game and even the comics, a massive reason why Miguel became Spider-Man was because of Peter and yes, he may sometimes lose his temper with him, but at the same time, which this games does really well showing is that Miguel has nothing but respect for the OG.
@brainydude8666 miles dident kill nobody other than indirectly cause his uncles death ,spiderbite is not his fault collider whassent made by him, the kingpin killed peter not miles.
@frediemane7312 Um, are you forgetting the part where the only reason Peter lost the fight in the collider is because he was distracted trying to keep Miles safe? It doesn't mean that Miles "killed" Peter, but it DOES mean that he's culpable for his death regardless of intent or lack of alternative options. If you get forcibly put in a Trolley Problem, you *are* culpable for the deaths of anyone involved, but that doesn't mean that you are "responsible" for their deaths. It's like the difference between saying "I *killed* that man" and saying "I *got* that man *killed."* It's a BIG difference morally, but ultimately you'd have to be an evil sociopath to not feel bad about being involved. Miles *got* Peter *killed,* and thus morally he should feel culpability for it, regardless of whether or not he had any intent, or any way of knowing what would happen. A more mature Miles might one day realize and come to accept that it wasn't his *fault,* and it was just an unfortunate circumstance beyond any reasonable degree of control. He *could've* stayed home that night, but WHY would he? That doesn't make *him* responsible for Peter's death, especially when Goblin was the one actively trying to murder him, and Kingpin is the one who DID actively murder him.
1:00 If this Peter was in Across the Spiderverse Miguel would have nothing to complain about Or he would have seen this Peter as a liability the same way he did with Gwen
@@kingjoker8399 Peter B Parker is considered 616 Peter in Spiderverse. Although if you mean comics/Shattered Dimensions/Edge of Time Peter is 616, then I could totally see that.
@@mohitnair2541 he’s not tho across the spider verse proves it cuz they literally showed 616 comic Spider-Man when Gwen father died proving my point he’s not mainline 616
1:00 “What’s important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don’t get that, then you don’t get the first thing about being Spider-Man.” If that Peter Parker appeared in across the spider-verse, he would be on Miles’ side and told Miguel something like that.
Omg I just realized these two Spideys are voiced by Josh Keaton and Christopher Daniel Barnes… literally my two favorite animated Spideys of all time 😭
But we can have other Spider-Man so long as they are committed to doing good and helping everyone in need, right? We should't just say that any Spider-Man that isn't Peter Parker isn't Spider-Man and does not have the right to be Spider-Man, right?
“What’s important is not letting someone suffer or die because you do nothing. if you don’t know that than you don’t know the first thing about being Spider-Man.” The Miguel O’Hara from Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse should be told this.
Like a multiverse, there's an infinite number of possibilities, implying that there are more than one Miguel O'Hara. Thus making this version, the Ultimate version, the LEGO version and the SONY version different than one another.
u didn’t pay attention to the movie, Miguel is guilty of exactly what Miles is trying to do. When he tried to save “everyone” his universe collided with the other and collapsed
@@kory.j6561Miguel broke a Canon Event because he tried to live the life of another him and be the father of that Miguel's daughter after he was killed. He did what Kingpin tried to do in that last movie. That girl wasn't HIS daughter. Miles isn't trying to do that. He wants to rescue HIS dad because that's what heroes do. Heroes don't choose who lives and who dies. They're not gods. The Peter Parker from Miles' Earth was going to die either way. He was never going to be able to stop Kingpin. It was a miracle that Kingpin's brought that radioactive spider to Miles' Earth. Even if it was an accident, sometimes accidents like these are just the way the universe expresses itself. And that's just how Spider-Men are made; through accidents.
Considering Unlimited Spider-Man shows up a lot (background character models), it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for there to exist multiple versions of Miles, Spider-Gwen and Miguel. (Plus it's just really funny to picture Edge-Of-Time Miguel interacting with Shattered Dimensions Miguel because of how different they are)
If Spider-Man from Edge of Time would have a word with Miguel O'hara from Beyond the Spiderverse, I get the feeling that Miguel would say "Where did you get that? A fortune cookie?"
I like this version of Miguel way better than in ATSV. Even though he knows he needs to protect rhe future, he agrees with Peter knowing he can't leave MJ to die. He seems more human here.
I think the reason why Miguel is like this IN ATSV is how much hurt he became after wiping the whole multiverse, that guilt would fuck any man up you know?
*Miguel O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099):* It's a Canon Event. *Peter Parker:* What's important is not standing by while allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don't get that, then you don't know the first thing about being Spider-Man.
its incredible that both this game and the spiderverse movies can be experienced without any knowledge as the other and they work perfectly as standalone pieces of media, yet they have absolutely no issue meshing togeher
Who else is here from Across the Spiderverse movie? Because that 2099 Spider-Man needs to hear this as well. *EVERY* life is valuable, and not expendable. Someone isn’t a hero *just* because of what or who they lost, they’re a hero because of how much they care and what they’re willing to do *despite* what they may lose or have lost. Not as a pre requisite, but a possible factor. It’s called not being a hypocrite and extending that care to everyone and those around us. *THAT* is what makes heroes, Spider-Man or otherwise, and *that’s* why we follow, aspire to, and eventually be them: So that we can save each other one try, one hand, and one care at a time.
Well Miguel tried that and saved his daughter, but his entire world eventually destroyed itself. So he’s technically trying to help the other spider-men the best way he knows how
Did you people even pay attention to the movie? The spider-men saw entire universes collapse for trying to save "everyone", this is why most spiders don't switch sides and stay with Miguel
@@Blue-kd3sqthing is the universe Miguel was in wasn't his own, he went there to take that universes Miguel O'Hara who died. That's when the universe collapsed and he lost "his daughter" the second time. He went on about how each spider-man goes through their own canon event otherwise the spider-verse would collapse in on itself. But him keeping Miles from saving his father atleast try to save him and everyone in his universe from spot would just contradict what Miguel wanted. So really lot of people look back at this scene and said this spider-man would've back miles up atleast point out trying is better than sitting around and do nothing.
@@epsyblue7714 those dipshits brought his wife back from the dead only to have him cucked and she left him, for that reason, which was technically her fault basically doing the modern day marriage bullshit
@ZipTx What part of "Mary Jane would still survive after fixing the timeline at the end of the game" did you not understand? Miguel got sidetracked from FIXING A LITERAL TIME MACHINE just so Peter would stop whining
I really wish Peter B. In ATSV had more moments, especially ones like this. Like he almost had one with miles and showing them his kid, but it felt like he got a slight bit of the “Red Guardian” treatment in this film. Almost like nothing he said mattered to those around him. Even when Gwen asked him to back him up, he kinda acted… well I don’t know how to put it, but just not right. If that was 616 Spider-Man (it isn’t, but I guess it was this movie’s version), he would have been a bit more stand-offish to 2099.
This what spectacular Spiderman should've said to Miguel and helped start a rebellion within the elite sider army and help Miles. After all Peter Parker looked the other way one time and it cost him uncle Ben. That's why he wears the mask, because with great power there must also come a great responsibility. All those Peter's should know better than to turn the other way when they know someone is in danger. Also i just really wanted more spectacular spider-man 🕸️
If it makes you feel any better, I think Josh Keaton on a Twitch stream said that Spectacular may have been freshly recruited after he had experience the Death of George Stacy. This may imply that he was a more vulnerable into believing the whole canon event explaination as a means to ease his own pain of losing such a trusted ally. Since this is a voice actor saying it, this more of a head canon so to speak. I wouldn't be opposed though if in the next movie, Spectacular begins having doubts about trying to stop Miles group from preventing Officer Davis demise and the over means of the Spider-Society ensuring canon-events do happen. 2099 then says something along the lines of "looking the other way", which then Triggers Spectacular and causes him to defect to Miles group, or have an immediate conflict with Miguel, before defecting.
I find it interesting the two voice actors they got were at the time considered the top Spiderman voices. It shows they didn’t just throw a dart at a wheel.
This version of Peter Parker would have sided with Miles if he is in Across the Spiderverse, and give the entire Spider Society the same lecture as he did with Miguel.
I wrote an entire chunk of the speech and it popped up "you cant let someone suffer or die because you do nothing if you don't get that ,then you don't get the first thing about being spider-man"
I will use the "If you don't get that, then you don't get the first thing about being Spider-Man" when watching across the spider-verse and see why Miguel is a huge A-hole Edit: I saw it….I STILL STAND ON THIS LINE!!! So much that…. EDGE OF TIME MIGUEL = CHAD ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE = VIRGIN
Kinda understand where he’s coming from tho. Peter and miles overall just wanna save everyone but Miguel would make the hard choice to sacrifice 1 to save many
@@andrewleyton6689to be fair in across the spider-verse he saw 1st hand that changing canon would destroy a universe. Miguel doesn’t want to risk the lives of millions for 1
@ascendedsavage7040 I don't get it, tho. If it didn't happen yet, then how is stopping it, breaking canon? Canon is part of a story, and before it happened, it wasn't canon. An example is in dragon ball z beerus, and the other gods of destruction weren't canon because they're not occurring in the story atm. If it doesn't happen in the story, it's not canon till it is. So miles saving his dad isn't breaking canon as his dad didn't die, and him not dying would be then considered to be canon.
@@undertalefire22 the movie kinda explains that they use a algorithm to analyze multiple universes to make predictions on future events using information attained from those universes. It’s not actual canon like in stories that’s just the name they gave it to describe the events
This scene shows the big difference between Peter Parker and Miguel O'Hara's mindsets. They phrase how they're saving worlds. Miguel goes by "the world" but Peter goes by "my world." The latter might look selfish on the surface, but deep down, it means Peter cares more of the world than just being the place he and many live in.
@@superheriber27 Nah, no spiderman would ever give up on saving someone though, I mean look at this spider-man right here, he's literally doing what you say most wouldn't Its also worth noting Gwen asking Miguel if he knows for certain it'll erase his universe he just says "it does" he doesnt give any actual evidence, Miles puts it best "just because some algorithm says so, we're supposed to let abunch of people die? You realize how messed up that sounds?"
@@james5076 Peter here is being irrational, they literally reset the timeline at the end of the game so Mary Jand wouldn't die even if Miguel didn't save her Also most Spider-men *in the movie* stay on Miguel's side, didn't you watch it?
man if miles said "if you dont get that, then you dont get the first thing about being spiderman" that would instantly burn miguel and others except for hobie
"Okay, now what if we did the same thing, but with Miles vs. Miguel...and literally almost every other version of Spider-Man ever written, including this one, probably?" -- Pitch meeting for Across the Spider-Verse
Something to understand is that you can’t save everyone. It’s true and hard to deal with. But that doesn’t mean you can’t try to save everyone. That’s what it means to be Spider-Man, to try to save everyone even if you can’t. There’s the whole debate about spiderverse and I get there’s really points to both but I feel Miguel is blinded by his grief.
Man I would love to see either or both of these Spider-Men in Beyond the Spider-Verse. Maybe this Miguel could fight or convince the Spider-Verse miguel
Ngl probably my favorite set of voices for Spider-Man. Spider-Man 1994 as Spider-Man 2099 and The Spectacular Spider-Man as the present day Spider-Man. Both shows were cancelled too soon although ‘94 had 5 seasons.
I guarantee Miguel purposely didn’t include Pete or his variant from Earth TRN-199 because guess what: they’re the Edge of Time Spider-Men. Which is when Peter tells Miguel that and I quote: “what’s important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don’t know that, then you don’t know the first thing about being Spider-Man” because he knows that those two, maybe not that Miguel but definitely that Peter, would cause every other Peter and probably every other Spider-Person to turn around and realize what they were doing.
This Spider-Man and Earth-616 Spider-Man would be disappointed in the whole Spider Society. I mean not being able to save everyone is one thing they can understand, but keeping someone from saving a life, I’m sure these two would point out that if Miles fails to save his dad, then the Canon event is gonna break and everyone in Miles’ dimension will perish, because Miguel is doing the same thing he did the first time he broke the canon, he was messing up someone else’s story.
I'll give you the reason why but you're not going to like it because in your eyes you want the character to grow up to be with you but the character is written to be the average person and that's only thing going forward you can't have the character grow up to be having a marriage having a family and going forward because you ruined the character you would have to change the entire business model that this book has been done for almost 70 years going forward Business model keep him single and that represents the average person reading the book and that's what represents them the most when you have Ultimate Spider-Man you have a character that's already married having kids and being represented it's a big difference and big difference on business model on how you do those characters you got to think about creative and interesting storytelling if you have a writer that does interesting storytelling going forward I don't think We dont need to have Peter get married have kids in the main core books
@@theelitebattleangel I get that, I just think that canon events become disrupted when someone from a different universe does something to interfere. So if Miles does save his dad, because it’s his universe, nothing will happen. Think about it. Miguel said that he broke the canon in a universe with a different version of himself and that caused the whole universe to erase. Miles unknowingly did the same thing in Spider-Man (Indian)’s universe when he saved the Captain and that caused the canon to disrupt. But when Gwen revealed her secret identity to her father, who was going to be captain, he didn’t become captain, and Gwen realized that because it’s her story, she can change what happens in her own universe without any anomalies, nobody else can, just like only Miles can change what happens in his universe. So canon events might not be disrupted as long as nothing from another universe interferes.
I kid you not this quote came to my head during ATSV and as a long time spider-man fan it made the experience of watching it in theaters much more epic
Everyone always brings up the line about what it means to be Spider-Man But they always leave out my favorite line from Miguel. "Maybe this will help even the score for eveything the world owes you." Even if he acts like a smartass, deep down Miguel has a lot of respect for Peter and that is one of my favorite aspects of his.
![Miguel O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099) Saves Mary Jane ● Spider-Man: Edge of Time [1080pᴴᴰ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/e3f6lHvX_R4/mqdefault.jpg)
![Miguel O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099) Saves Mary Jane ● Spider-Man: Edge of Time [1080pᴴᴰ]](/img/tr.png)
What Peter B. Parker should have said to Miguel in ATSV
Miles think just like he’s teacher
That peter was always kind of a wimp
You realize Mary Jane won't die if they fix the timeline right? Peter isn't being rational
Just like Miles potentially nuking his universe to "save" his dad
@@superheriber27 yo I'm just replying cause this speech randomly popped into my head and you watched this an hour ago , kinda crazy .
@@pie7591 Odd
"Maybe this'll help even the score for everything the world owes you." I absolutely love this line from Miguel.
I always love it when people acknowledge Peter's sacrifices
Something that I wish ATSV did.
Showing Miguel’s undying respect for Peter.
@@archivist_13if I remember right, he’s also one of the only hero’s the world remembers in 2099s universe because he was that good of a hero, always sacrificing everything and getting nothing in return
@@Venompool-ms8lm yeah Peter was just that goated of a hero
The comic writers: "I'm going to ignore that."
“What’s important is not allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing!” Such an awesome Spider-Man line, sounds like something Stan Lee would have written
I mean it’s the essence of the character. Remember uncle Ben died because he did nothing.
Hey, don’t disrespect Stan Lee. And I agree with the reply above.
@@AdamRee-lx8uh ???
@@AdamRee-lx8uhWhat? how is that disrespectful?
Steve diko but whatever
Josh Keaton and Christopher Daniel Barnes, the greatest duo in history
@Effain Junior I hope we see them both on spider verse franchise
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674instead we got Oscar Isaac voice acting Miguel which is perfect
@@Sierra19 this voice is better
They are spectacularly amazing.
Fr man they both fit so well into 2099 & Spiderman
0:58 after watching Across the Spider-Verse now, this resonates a lot
Miles think just like he’s teacher
YEP HITS SO HARD
Miguel is fake
Into the spider verse Peter Parker would be proud
Agreed
"My future is meaningless without her"
Man if only 616 editorial felt the same way
Better ignore the current stuff and consider either the first Spider-Girl run or the Renew Your Vows stories the real canon (?)
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732That they are
@cornparade6874
@uncannydcmarvelous5732 you fans don't really understand is you have this character in the main core 616 books be very heavily restricted on a lot of things you want the character to grow with you when the character is not supposed to do that
@@theelitebattleangel , both the Thomas Wayne, (Batman Earth 2), and retired Bruce Wayne from the same universe grew as characters, so there's no reason as to why Marvel can't just let Spider-Man grow as a character other than the fact they want to lose sales to manga.
Respect for the writers that put their time into researching about Miguel. Lines up perfectly with the movie.
Indeed. Considering the game was written by Miguel’s co-creator Peter David, this game would be a good example of how 2099 should act before any kind of character development happens.
Edit: I posted the comment too early. Didn’t finish the last sentence.
I mean the creator of Miguel wrote this game
Arguably though, even if Miguel doesn't save MJ here it wouldn't change anything in the long-term because she'll be alive once the timeline gets fixed, but he goes and saves her anyway out of respect for Parker which is something I wanna see out of Spider-Verse's Miguel
@@m4hche3zy True
This Miguel is accurate. The movie one? Not really
“What’s important is not letting someone suffer or die because you do nothing if you don’t know that than you don’t know the first thing about being Spider-Man” -Peter Parker from edge of time
Good speech that 90s Spidey and MCU Spidey needed.
I love how Across got us all to forget about this, despite showing us the Andrew Garfield Uncle Ben moment.
@@IronDinoNot everyone. It was one of my first thoughts after seeing "Across the Spider-Verse" . Easily my least favourite part of the movie because of how everyone was acting about "canon events". Was overall disappointed with the film because of it.
@@Frozen_Death_Knight I’m pretty sure the film itself doesn’t believe in canon events, just that Miguel does
@@thebcwonder4850
It doesn't matter if the film doesn't believe in it. Thay make every Peter Parker believe in it and act accordingly.
It's enough to make the movie a shit Spider-man movie. Because, as said by Peter in this video, "They don't get the first thing about being spider-man" if they make Peter act that way.
Probably one of the best written spider man games ever
It was written by Peter David,
who made Spider-Man 2099
and has written some of the best spidey stories out there
so I think he understands the character pretty well 😊
@@Scarlettspider-h4v we need spiderman noir solo game
@@IIIISai Amen to that,
“MY FUTURE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT HER!!” that line broke my heart and made me feel for Peter bro.. goes to show how frustrated and hurt he is, he’s been thru so much in a lot of iterations and the only time he finds closure and peace is with his relatives which is relatable asf.
You'd think Christopher Daniel Barnes (90s Spider-Man) would understand, given how many times he lost Mary Jane.
@@ImDemonAlchemistfr
This Spider-Man would be on miles side in a heartbeat
(Spoilers for the new spider verse movie) And Miguel would send him back to his own reality like he did Gwen
I doubt 2099 would risk nuking the multiverse
@ZipTx my guy he did that with gwen after miles escaped. He would send peter back to his dimension so he doesn’t get in the way
I would said both since EoT Peter and EoT Miguel's is different than ASTV Miguel so i wouldn't mind that if both of this Spiderman is on ASTV movie and proof Miguel's is wrongs
@@FlowSouls neither Miles or Miguel are wrong
This is why Josh Keaton will always be my favorite Spider-Man VA. Bro channels this role of Peter Parker like he's reaching for an Oscar.
Truly top tier.
Christopher Daniel Barnes is also very good here, and was also Peter in the 90s show. And the VA at the end of this clip was that show's MJ, lol
@@ct578 Holy crap! It's been such a long time, I legit didn't recognize his voice!
@@ct578 , Christopher Daniel Barnes plays Spider-Man 2099 in this clip, so I agree VyceofMataMertha more that the best Peter Parker, (Spider-Man), is played by Josh Keaton.
Both actors are great here, but wow Josh Keaton really nailed it. This is Spider-Man to a tea, always doing the right thing no matter what.
The fact this is the exact conversation between Miles and Miguel boggles my mind
they shoulda had spiderman noir or peter argue with miguel, its not as powerful or intense when its a teenager vs adult imo
@@IIIISai I mean when Miguel finds out what Incursions are he’s gonna feel like an idiot
@@IIIISainoir isn't in the society
@@AsuraQin that’s literally what he’s trying to prevent
@@kory.j6561 he caused an incursion by going and living his other hims life. He is responsible for that, and he’s pushing the blame and such on Miles and making up this false doctrine about “canon”
The fact that both Peter and Miguel are voiced by past tv show spidermen (1994 cartoon as Miguel and spectacular as Peter) is awesome
All 4 spider-men from Shattered dimensions voiced Peter in cartoons in the past.
Amazing voice: Spider-Man: The new animated series(MTV 2003)
Noir voice: 90s Spider-Man
2099 voice: Spider-Man and his amazing friends
Ultimate voice: Spectacular Spider-Man.
A minor issue I have with ATSV is that Miguel never really shows Peter how much he respects him. But I’m the game and even the comics, a massive reason why Miguel became Spider-Man was because of Peter and yes, he may sometimes lose his temper with him, but at the same time, which this games does really well showing is that Miguel has nothing but respect for the OG.
I fee like he only has respect for golden age parkers in atsv
@@Mclovinsnutt123yep that's why he was so pissed that miles basically killed peter parker
@brainydude8666 miles dident kill nobody other than indirectly cause his uncles death ,spiderbite is not his fault collider whassent made by him, the kingpin killed peter not miles.
@@Mclovinsnutt123while that is true that everything that happened was out of Miles’ control, Miguel is too blinded by his past mistakes to see that
@frediemane7312
Um, are you forgetting the part where the only reason Peter lost the fight in the collider is because he was distracted trying to keep Miles safe?
It doesn't mean that Miles "killed" Peter, but it DOES mean that he's culpable for his death regardless of intent or lack of alternative options.
If you get forcibly put in a Trolley Problem, you *are* culpable for the deaths of anyone involved, but that doesn't mean that you are "responsible" for their deaths.
It's like the difference between saying "I *killed* that man" and saying "I *got* that man *killed."*
It's a BIG difference morally, but ultimately you'd have to be an evil sociopath to not feel bad about being involved.
Miles *got* Peter *killed,* and thus morally he should feel culpability for it, regardless of whether or not he had any intent, or any way of knowing what would happen.
A more mature Miles might one day realize and come to accept that it wasn't his *fault,* and it was just an unfortunate circumstance beyond any reasonable degree of control. He *could've* stayed home that night, but WHY would he? That doesn't make *him* responsible for Peter's death, especially when Goblin was the one actively trying to murder him, and Kingpin is the one who DID actively murder him.
Hearing the two best Spider-Man voice actors argue is legendary
Peter lost Gwen. He won’t lose another partner again.
He shouldn't have a partner because honestly when is his only true love
1:00 If this Peter was in Across the Spiderverse Miguel would have nothing to complain about
Or he would have seen this Peter as a liability the same way he did with Gwen
That would be the best moment of the movie
Calling it now next movie he will come and it’s gonna be insane
616 Peter would get him right
@@kingjoker8399 Peter B Parker is considered 616 Peter in Spiderverse. Although if you mean comics/Shattered Dimensions/Edge of Time Peter is 616, then I could totally see that.
@@mohitnair2541 he’s not tho across the spider verse proves it cuz they literally showed 616 comic Spider-Man when Gwen father died proving my point he’s not mainline 616
I just realized the reason open sesame worked was because he's the CEO
yes it is from the future parker so it made sense
You can imagine me thrill when i put that together myself. God, I love this game
1:00 “What’s important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don’t get that, then you don’t get the first thing about being Spider-Man.” If that Peter Parker appeared in across the spider-verse, he would be on Miles’ side and told Miguel something like that.
No he wouldn't, because the writers would have destroyed his characterization as much as they destroyed everyone else's.
This scene is well done showing the difference between Peter and Miguel
Omg I just realized these two Spideys are voiced by Josh Keaton and Christopher Daniel Barnes… literally my two favorite animated Spideys of all time 😭
1:00 THIS IS WHY PETER PARKER WILL ALWAYS BE THE SPIDER-MAN. NOT A SPIDER-MAN, THE SPIDER-MAN
Fax
But we can have other Spider-Man so long as they are committed to doing good and helping everyone in need, right? We should't just say that any Spider-Man that isn't Peter Parker isn't Spider-Man and does not have the right to be Spider-Man, right?
@deadpoolrockz6410 true but Peter Parker is the OG Spider-Man
I agree Peter Parker is real Spider-Man. The GOAT. 💯💯💯
@@ricardomorales8969 OG SPIDER-MAN FAN FOREVER
“What’s important is not letting someone suffer or die because you do nothing. if you don’t know that than you don’t know the first thing about being Spider-Man.” The Miguel O’Hara from Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse should be told this.
Like a multiverse, there's an infinite number of possibilities, implying that there are more than one Miguel O'Hara. Thus making this version, the Ultimate version, the LEGO version and the SONY version different than one another.
u didn’t pay attention to the movie, Miguel is guilty of exactly what Miles is trying to do. When he tried to save “everyone” his universe collided with the other and collapsed
@@kory.j6561 Miguel’s full of it, besides even if that were true or not it’s still no excuse for him to be such a demented brute.
@@kory.j6561Miguel broke a Canon Event because he tried to live the life of another him and be the father of that Miguel's daughter after he was killed. He did what Kingpin tried to do in that last movie. That girl wasn't HIS daughter. Miles isn't trying to do that. He wants to rescue HIS dad because that's what heroes do. Heroes don't choose who lives and who dies. They're not gods. The Peter Parker from Miles' Earth was going to die either way. He was never going to be able to stop Kingpin. It was a miracle that Kingpin's brought that radioactive spider to Miles' Earth. Even if it was an accident, sometimes accidents like these are just the way the universe expresses itself. And that's just how Spider-Men are made; through accidents.
@@kidprime6863 In fact Miguel didn’t become Spider-Man by accident, but instead he became Spider-Man on purpose.
I would love to see this animated in the style of the spiderverse film in the room that shows the different realities.
I came back to this for a reason cause I know certain Spider-Man wouldn’t let anything happen like this in the movie
Considering Unlimited Spider-Man shows up a lot (background character models), it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for there to exist multiple versions of Miles, Spider-Gwen and Miguel. (Plus it's just really funny to picture Edge-Of-Time Miguel interacting with Shattered Dimensions Miguel because of how different they are)
Planty Films here on UA-cam just uploaded a video today showing this
“Lyla, do the thing.”
“What thing?”
“‘What thing?’ The information explainy thing!”
Imagine they introduce Edge of Time Miguel into BTSV and have him recite Peter's monologue word-for-word to Spiderverse Miguel.
If Spider-Man from Edge of Time would have a word with Miguel O'hara from Beyond the Spiderverse, I get the feeling that Miguel would say "Where did you get that? A fortune cookie?"
It's so wild to hear 90s spiderman and spectactular in the same game, but so cool
I like this version of Miguel way better than in ATSV. Even though he knows he needs to protect rhe future, he agrees with Peter knowing he can't leave MJ to die. He seems more human here.
I think the reason why Miguel is like this IN ATSV is how much hurt he became after wiping the whole multiverse, that guilt would fuck any man up you know?
"If you don't get that, then you don't get the first thing about being Spider-Man." Well well well
And what's important escapes you.
*Miguel O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099):* It's a Canon Event.
*Peter Parker:* What's important is not standing by while allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don't get that, then you don't know the first thing about being Spider-Man.
Josh Keaton will always be the voice I hear when I read a comic book with Spider-Man. To me, he perfectly encapsulates what Peter Parker needs to be
its incredible that both this game and the spiderverse movies can be experienced without any knowledge as the other and they work perfectly as standalone pieces of media, yet they have absolutely no issue meshing togeher
Who else is here from Across the Spiderverse movie? Because that 2099 Spider-Man needs to hear this as well. *EVERY* life is valuable, and not expendable. Someone isn’t a hero *just* because of what or who they lost, they’re a hero because of how much they care and what they’re willing to do *despite* what they may lose or have lost. Not as a pre requisite, but a possible factor. It’s called not being a hypocrite and extending that care to everyone and those around us. *THAT* is what makes heroes, Spider-Man or otherwise, and *that’s* why we follow, aspire to, and eventually be them:
So that we can save each other one try, one hand, and one care at a time.
Well Miguel tried that and saved his daughter, but his entire world eventually destroyed itself. So he’s technically trying to help the other spider-men the best way he knows how
Did you people even pay attention to the movie?
The spider-men saw entire universes collapse for trying to save "everyone", this is why most spiders don't switch sides and stay with Miguel
@@superheriber27 No, just the spiders *he* found and sought after. Selected likeminded individuals, not spidermen/women as a whole (on the good side).
@@Blue-kd3sqthing is the universe Miguel was in wasn't his own, he went there to take that universes Miguel O'Hara who died. That's when the universe collapsed and he lost "his daughter" the second time.
He went on about how each spider-man goes through their own canon event otherwise the spider-verse would collapse in on itself. But him keeping Miles from saving his father atleast try to save him and everyone in his universe from spot would just contradict what Miguel wanted.
So really lot of people look back at this scene and said this spider-man would've back miles up atleast point out trying is better than sitting around and do nothing.
Me this reference makes so much sense after the movie
glad Christopher Daniel Barnes could save at least one MJ
Peter: My future is meaningless without her
Marvel: We're going to pretend we didn't hear that 😐
Stan lee is probably rolling in his grave for what those dumbass writers are doing to spider man and the punisher
@@jexgaudet What did they do to the Punisher?
@@epsyblue7714 those dipshits brought his wife back from the dead only to have him cucked and she left him, for that reason, which was technically her fault basically doing the modern day marriage bullshit
Spider Man writers are becoming
WAY sadistic with Peni Parker.
@@YangTheAce no offence to any Spider-Man fan, but you guys are a bunch of sadistic pricks
Christopher Daniel Barnes and Josh Keaton are my Spider-Man animated voice actors. They are the real GOAT! 0:49/0:52
This Peter parker would stand against Miguel in Across the spider verse
This peter parker is just.. generic peter
@@IAMSONICTH3H3DG3H0Ghe's actually voiced by josh Keaton who also voices spectacular Spider-Man
He sure would because he's overly emotional and doesn't realize Mary Jane would still survive after fixing the timeline at the end of the game
@ZipTx What part of "Mary Jane would still survive after fixing the timeline at the end of the game" did you not understand?
Miguel got sidetracked from FIXING A LITERAL TIME MACHINE just so Peter would stop whining
@@IAMSONICTH3H3DG3H0Gwhat’s that supposed to mean.
I wish this version of Peter was in across the spiderverse, just to see the banter with this Peter and across the spiderverse Miguel.
I really wish Peter B. In ATSV had more moments, especially ones like this. Like he almost had one with miles and showing them his kid, but it felt like he got a slight bit of the “Red Guardian” treatment in this film. Almost like nothing he said mattered to those around him. Even when Gwen asked him to back him up, he kinda acted… well I don’t know how to put it, but just not right. If that was 616 Spider-Man (it isn’t, but I guess it was this movie’s version), he would have been a bit more stand-offish to 2099.
Me agreeing with Peter after watching across the spider verse
I love that ATSV drew some kind of parallel plot with Edge of Time.
Came here from Across the Spider verse. Yeah...someone really should've said that line
1:11 MY FUTURE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT HER!
😮WHERE WAS THIS SPIDER-MAN HE WOULD OF HELPED MILES AGAINST SPIDER SOCIETY
In a heartbeat
Facts
That's 616 Spider-Man. Peter B Parker. This game might not be canon but it's the same character technically
@@shyguy9793 Peter B isn’t 616
@@shyguy9793 he’s an alternate version of 616, not the og
This what spectacular Spiderman should've said to Miguel and helped start a rebellion within the elite sider army and help Miles.
After all Peter Parker looked the other way one time and it cost him uncle Ben. That's why he wears the mask, because with great power there must also come a great responsibility. All those Peter's should know better than to turn the other way when they know someone is in danger.
Also i just really wanted more spectacular spider-man 🕸️
well 616B peter is the one miguel most respects so hopefully pete will teach miguel about that lesson
2099 isn't "looking at the other side"
He experienced first hand how intervening can lead to greater disaster
If it makes you feel any better, I think Josh Keaton on a Twitch stream said that Spectacular may have been freshly recruited after he had experience the Death of George Stacy. This may imply that he was a more vulnerable into believing the whole canon event explaination as a means to ease his own pain of losing such a trusted ally. Since this is a voice actor saying it, this more of a head canon so to speak.
I wouldn't be opposed though if in the next movie, Spectacular begins having doubts about trying to stop Miles group from preventing Officer Davis demise and the over means of the Spider-Society ensuring canon-events do happen. 2099 then says something along the lines of "looking the other way", which then Triggers Spectacular and causes him to defect to Miles group, or have an immediate conflict with Miguel, before defecting.
0:38 to 1:29 is my favorate part
0:45 - _"For _*_Shock_*_ Sake, Parker, what part of _*_"Don't poke around in the Archives"_*_ was unclear?"_
I find it interesting the two voice actors they got were at the time considered the top Spiderman voices. It shows they didn’t just throw a dart at a wheel.
This version of Peter Parker would have sided with Miles if he is in Across the Spiderverse, and give the entire Spider Society the same lecture as he did with Miguel.
If I were in the same room with Miguel in ATSV I would say this to him 1:00
Peter is The one who doesnt get it.
There’s no way spectacular Spider-Man was going for the cannon sh.t
Miles think just like he’s teacher
BRO AGREED
@@ronhanma0457ngl I think he just sided with miguel because he was scared
I wrote an entire chunk of the speech and it popped up "you cant let someone suffer or die because you do nothing if you don't get that ,then you don't get the first thing about being spider-man"
I agree with Peter Parker.
Everyone's talking about how Miguel needs to be told this, meanwhile everyone else in the Spider Society was acting the same way
I will use the "If you don't get that, then you don't get the first thing about being Spider-Man" when watching across the spider-verse and see why Miguel is a huge A-hole
Edit: I saw it….I STILL STAND ON THIS LINE!!! So much that….
EDGE OF TIME MIGUEL = CHAD
ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE = VIRGIN
Kinda understand where he’s coming from tho. Peter and miles overall just wanna save everyone but Miguel would make the hard choice to sacrifice 1 to save many
@@ascendedsavage7040but that one should be themselves maybe Spider-man can't save everyone but that doesn't mean he has to stop trying
@@andrewleyton6689to be fair in across the spider-verse he saw 1st hand that changing canon would destroy a universe. Miguel doesn’t want to risk the lives of millions for 1
@ascendedsavage7040 I don't get it, tho.
If it didn't happen yet, then how is stopping it, breaking canon?
Canon is part of a story, and before it happened, it wasn't canon.
An example is in dragon ball z beerus, and the other gods of destruction weren't canon because they're not occurring in the story atm. If it doesn't happen in the story, it's not canon till it is.
So miles saving his dad isn't breaking canon as his dad didn't die, and him not dying would be then considered to be canon.
@@undertalefire22 the movie kinda explains that they use a algorithm to analyze multiple universes to make predictions on future events using information attained from those universes. It’s not actual canon like in stories that’s just the name they gave it to describe the events
Miguel telling the OG Spidey "you’re the one who doesn’t get it"
The nerve….If Peter wasn’t Spidey you wouldn’t even be Spider-Man Miguel!!!!
I kinda wished they mentioned this game in across the spider verse, considering a version of spider man 2099 was in it. Would've been so cool.
They probably couldn't because it would've been contradictory to Miguel lol
@RealRoboKnight You mean THAT Miguel. This was co-written by the OG creator instead of some imitation.
Maybe in beyond the spider verse we’ll get a cameo of Edge of Time Peter and all the other Spider-People not included in Spider Society
When you don’t care about canon events lol, this Peter would have helped Miles
This scene shows the big difference between Peter Parker and Miguel O'Hara's mindsets.
They phrase how they're saving worlds.
Miguel goes by "the world" but Peter goes by "my world."
The latter might look selfish on the surface, but deep down, it means Peter cares more of the world than just being the place he and many live in.
Wish a peter would step up to Miguel, it seems purposeful that he isnt keeping any around that would disagree, "True" Spider-men
Thats what happens when he is not The main character...
@@javierlopez9789 No, this is what happens when you have a multiverse of different spider-men lol
Nah, I'm pretty sure most spider-men don't disagree with Miguel because they saw the universe being erased first hand alongside him
@@superheriber27 Nah, no spiderman would ever give up on saving someone though, I mean look at this spider-man right here, he's literally doing what you say most wouldn't
Its also worth noting Gwen asking Miguel if he knows for certain it'll erase his universe he just says "it does" he doesnt give any actual evidence, Miles puts it best "just because some algorithm says so, we're supposed to let abunch of people die? You realize how messed up that sounds?"
@@james5076 Peter here is being irrational, they literally reset the timeline at the end of the game so Mary Jand wouldn't die even if Miguel didn't save her
Also most Spider-men *in the movie* stay on Miguel's side, didn't you watch it?
Wish current 616 Comic writers would realise this..
Wow this really hits after the movie
The many flavors of Spider-Man.
probably one of the best moments in spiderman videogame history. This scene was way ahead of it time
God I love Josh and Chris
This scene ran so that Spider-Verse could fly! :)
dude i remember this game its so frickin lit
This hits different after across the spider verse
Miguel: “it’s a canon event Peter!”
Peter: “you don’t know the first thing about being spider man”
man if miles said "if you dont get that, then you dont get the first thing about being spiderman" that would instantly burn miguel and others except for hobie
Most underrated Spider-Man game story wise
"Okay, now what if we did the same thing, but with Miles vs. Miguel...and literally almost every other version of Spider-Man ever written, including this one, probably?"
-- Pitch meeting for Across the Spider-Verse
This Peter and Miguel would’ve sided with Miles
yep probably OG Peter from his universe aswell
Which is probably why he’s not in the Spider Society
This Peter would put movie Miguel in check real quick
Miguel has access to every spiderman scene, chooses to ignore this part
This scene hits so much after spider verse💀
1:11 ONE MORE DAY COMIC STORY: IS THAT SO PETE????
Something to understand is that you can’t save everyone. It’s true and hard to deal with. But that doesn’t mean you can’t try to save everyone. That’s what it means to be Spider-Man, to try to save everyone even if you can’t. There’s the whole debate about spiderverse and I get there’s really points to both but I feel Miguel is blinded by his grief.
Man I would love to see either or both of these Spider-Men in Beyond the Spider-Verse. Maybe this Miguel could fight or convince the Spider-Verse miguel
Is that Christopher Daniel Barnes.
@disneypixarmarveldreamwork4333 Alright then.
No wander ATS Miguel didn’t recruit this counterpart or this Peter
"My future is meaningless without her."
Hmmm. . . Did you mean that, after what happened to Gwen Stacy?
This is the reference from Spider-Man across the spider verse part 1
0:39
Ngl probably my favorite set of voices for Spider-Man. Spider-Man 1994 as Spider-Man 2099 and The Spectacular Spider-Man as the present day Spider-Man. Both shows were cancelled too soon although ‘94 had 5 seasons.
Miles think just like he’s teacher
the voice acting was peak here
0:46-1:08 Basically across the spider verse in a nutshell
I guarantee Miguel purposely didn’t include Pete or his variant from Earth TRN-199 because guess what: they’re the Edge of Time Spider-Men. Which is when Peter tells Miguel that and I quote: “what’s important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don’t know that, then you don’t know the first thing about being Spider-Man” because he knows that those two, maybe not that Miguel but definitely that Peter, would cause every other Peter and probably every other Spider-Person to turn around and realize what they were doing.
This Miguel >>>>>> Miguel from Across the Spider-Verse
they gotta remake this and make it "full"
Ironic since Peter Keaton is on Miguel's side in Across the Spider-Verse.
This Spider-Man and Earth-616 Spider-Man would be disappointed in the whole Spider Society. I mean not being able to save everyone is one thing they can understand, but keeping someone from saving a life, I’m sure these two would point out that if Miles fails to save his dad, then the Canon event is gonna break and everyone in Miles’ dimension will perish, because Miguel is doing the same thing he did the first time he broke the canon, he was messing up someone else’s story.
I'll give you the reason why but you're not going to like it because in your eyes you want the character to grow up to be with you but the character is written to be the average person and that's only thing going forward you can't have the character grow up to be having a marriage having a family and going forward because you ruined the character you would have to change the entire business model that this book has been done for almost 70 years going forward
Business model keep him single and that represents the average person reading the book and that's what represents them the most when you have Ultimate Spider-Man you have a character that's already married having kids and being represented it's a big difference and big difference on business model on how you do those characters you got to think about creative and interesting storytelling if you have a writer that does interesting storytelling going forward I don't think We dont need to have Peter get married have kids in the main core books
@@theelitebattleangel I get that, I just think that canon events become disrupted when someone from a different universe does something to interfere. So if Miles does save his dad, because it’s his universe, nothing will happen. Think about it. Miguel said that he broke the canon in a universe with a different version of himself and that caused the whole universe to erase. Miles unknowingly did the same thing in Spider-Man (Indian)’s universe when he saved the Captain and that caused the canon to disrupt. But when Gwen revealed her secret identity to her father, who was going to be captain, he didn’t become captain, and Gwen realized that because it’s her story, she can change what happens in her own universe without any anomalies, nobody else can, just like only Miles can change what happens in his universe. So canon events might not be disrupted as long as nothing from another universe interferes.
I kid you not this quote came to my head during ATSV and as a long time spider-man fan it made the experience of watching it in theaters much more epic
The respectable Miguel o' hara
Everyone always brings up the line about what it means to be Spider-Man
But they always leave out my favorite line from Miguel.
"Maybe this will help even the score for eveything the world owes you."
Even if he acts like a smartass, deep down Miguel has a lot of respect for Peter and that is one of my favorite aspects of his.
1:25 that doesn’t even nothing world owes him a whole lot more
They even got the 'shock' right😂
Activision really cooked with these games
Crazy how spider verse ruins the fundamental of the character
Me gusta pensar que los enemigos veían a estos 2 como esquizofrenicos hablando solos xdd