Huddersfield to Eccles
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2018
- This time we’re going back towards Manchester over the Pennines. The tunnel is left in real time again. The new layout via Ashton starts at the 2 flashing yellows soon after Scout Tunnel and again, the run to Victoria is much faster now. You can follow the route through to Eccles via Ordsall Lane and the familiar run alongside the M602.
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I did this with you when I was a newbie. Back again, this time giving a like. Already a subscriber.
Another excellent job, there's plenty of work going on . Never been to Eccles , well , not without bluebottle. 👍🇬🇧
Glad you enjoyed it Stephen. Thats one of the very early videos.
I'm impressed by how much welded rail has been installed in the UK. The beautiful, banked curves that allow high-speed travel on normal lines are very good. I remember a trip from Edinburgh to Stoke (via Glasgow and probably Crewe) in the summer of 1969 when we were held up because the down line was having welded rail installed somewhere near Carlisle, I think. It was only on the main lines then. Great progress since then.
Yes, the railway is a technological marvel really 👍
wow nice railway tunnel
That driver is a brave man, he must trust his men completely totake his train into such a tunnel, at such a speed.
That was me Geoff. All in a days work as Superman would say ;-)
@@doncoffey5820 Good man Don.
I have learnt so much about the Rail Network, watching Don's videos, how it works and the skill and professionalism of the Drivers. The thing that opened my eyes is the trust the Drivers have in the Signal system and the points. Hurtling along at 100mph + is a huge leap of faith in the system and the men operating it. Everyone is a cog in the wheel, gearing up to the Drivers at the sharp end. It has certainly changed the way I think about it.
Well done once again Don.
There are occasions Peter where we are doing 100mph in zero visibility. It’s a weird feeling and we have to keep trust in the system.
@@doncoffey5820 No doubt about it Don if you didn't trust, you would be a nervous wreck. Looking back at History, we must have been the leading innovators in the World of the Railway system. Look at India, they still use the tried and tested British way of operating and they have one of the biggest passenger networks in the World.
Nice to see this line from the driver's perspective. I always choose this route over the Bradford/Halifax route just to avoid the possibility of being stuck on a bouncy rattly pacer between Leeds and Manc. Seems like we never will actually see the back of them!
Wow! Great captures
Thanks for the vid, Don.
I'm a bit late coming to this one, but another very watchable video. Belated thanks Don.
I’m late replying so now we’re even!!! Thanks for watching Brian.
enjoyed riding with you. thanks
Thank you for being a regular watcher!
Takes me back to life as a boy growing up in Stalybridge. Interesting to see how the route has changed from being four track now down to two. The old trans Pennine units, Peaks, EE type 4 (40s) Brush 4s (47s) and odd Type three (37) now gone. Then again all the Victorian architecture like the viaducts and tunnels still standing--
Hi Christopher. The railway architecture is my favourite aspect of the railway. I love to sit and ponder about how things were done. More Stalybridge action coming on Saturday!
Great videos, love the dialogue
Glad you enjoyed it Bob.
A great ride, missed the information greatly, will just have to get my map out. Thanks Don and yes the new improved videos I prefer. Have a good week, Steve
Cheers Steve. There are later versions with captions.
@@doncoffey5820 - Are they on another channel, can't find here, also maybe Hull to Piccadilly, would love to watch with stations names when passing.
See if this takes you to them Steve. My community channel is on there too.
ua-cam.com/channels/8LH7xMAyCSqpClAvTHwJRw.html?view_as=subscriber
Really enjoyable, especially having been away from the region for over 35 years. As for Manchester, just don't recognise the skyline. Only tall building used to be CWS. About two stories hereabouts.
Manchester reaches higher and higher into the sky every day Butch. Interesting to see the mix of buildings though.
Terrific as usual Don.
With the TPU imminent, I think the future is being missed as apart from the sections east of Huddersfield to be quadrupled, it should between there and Stalybridge on the original 4 track sections. With the projected traffic growth it will become congested as more passenger and freight use the line when the wires go up. Maybe they will realise, and quad the majority eventually.
Great viewing as usual.
MG ....former driver.
The 3rd and 4th track from Staly was via the Micklehurst Loop so I guess the first place we could expect to quadruple the line is really Marsden or maybe by using all three tunnels, Diggle. There is an existing plan to electrify the line from Staly to York and I’m not sure what this £600m upgrade is. I thought that had already been announced so we’ll have to wait for more details. All the best Mike.
The tunnel at 9 - 10 mins is brilliant on a TV with Chromecast
I've been on this journey many times and views never get boring.
Me too. It’s my job and I love every minute.
Don,thank you and quality as we have come to expect,however and please i don't hail from the north west/Yorkshire area and on this video i really miss your ticker-tape read feed,i knew Huddersfield,Stalybridge been in the bar and used The Ghost Train but its things like junctions/signal boxes/small stations i simply don't know them. Please i am not picking fault but as a Sussex person your ticker-tape for me is so helpful. Once again thank-you.
Hi Harry. The videos have evolved over the years and you are looking at my second attempt ever. It was actually shot with a dashcam from a car and I wasn’t satisfied with the results at all. At that stage I was only dabbling with iMovie too but as I’ve got better I started to add the labels and comments to the point where I believe my videos are unique and you get most of the info I’d want to know if I was watching and some. I nearly removed my early attempts but then I thought that a few might like a little look and every little look makes a bit of advertising revenue that goes to charity. If you watch the Chat Moss video and the Manchester Oxford Road to York videos, you’ll see this route again with all the captions 👍
The part of the journey between Manchester Victoria takes me back to my school days in the '60's when I lived near Hebden Bridge, and caught an early train from there every school day to Victoria station, then walked along platform 11, which in those days went through to Exchange station, then either caught another train, caught a bus or walked to Eccles, (there was no motorway there then), where I went to school. Of course I had to get up at about 0500.and got back home around 1830. Homework, tea, maybe a bit of television, then bed. What a great life it was, (I don't think).
Crikey Chris, that sounds like my driver training days at Crewe. Caught the first train at 06:10 (station a very long walk up a big hill) then back at about 18:00. Something to eat then study until my eyes wouldn’t stay open and do it all again!
@@doncoffey5820 I forgot to mention that I was just 11yrs.old when I started at the Eccles school. It was a 2 mile walk up a very steep lane to the top of the valley, then another mile down to the bus stop for the first bus of the day down to Hebden Bridge, no comfy ride in a 4x4 and no-one accompanying me as happens nowadays, and worse in winter when the snow was at wall-top level on the lane back down to the bottom of the valley. The only nice part in winter was that I would call in at the farm at the top of the lane where we got all our milk and the farmer would give me a glass of milk, straight from the cow that had just been milked, and warm and creamy. No pasteurisation or homogenisation, just filtered.
I've been learning this route on TSW - it was great to see what it looks like nowadays and in real life. It looked to me as if a lot of the speed limits (like on the entrance and exit to the Standedge Tunnel and the pass through Stalybridge, which takes forever on TSW) are a bit higher than they used to be and some of the landmarks have gone (there used to be a stack just before the approach to Stalybridge that I use as a wake up call - and there were some gas tanks just on the downhill section as you come towards Manchester). I notice that Park and Miles Platting have gone - I could make out the platform of Park but there was hardly any sign of Miles Platting at all.
Miles Platting has recently been remodelled and every trace of the old junction and station has gone now Steve. I’ll try and film it again soon.
@@doncoffey5820 Thanks. I'm not (wasn't?) all that interested in trains. I only started learning the Leeds - Manchester route because, just before COVID, they brought back some old trains from the 1960s on my local line in South Wales (complete with an army of security guards because the carriages didn't have central locking and they didn't trust us not to throw ourselves out of the carriage as soon as the train started moving.). The class 45s and 40s in the TSW NTP pack, which were getting on even in the 1980s, were the closest I could get to the trains that I was commuting on more than 30 years later!
If I got one of the early trains from my local station in the Summer of 2019, this is what I'd see parked up down there. :-).
photos.app.goo.gl/Crz653TbJC2X9bdv8
Watching your videos, I must ensure that the seat-belt on my computer chair is firmly done up, because if you had to make a sudden stop, the momentum might send me hurtling into my computer monitor screen! LOL
Now I have identified a decent SD card that doesn’t hang up every 5 minutes, I can zoom it in which gives a much more realistic experience!!! Got some good ones coming soon Neil.
That line must have been a colossal undertaking,tunnels,cuttings,overhead,viaducts! The last tunnel was really long,all built using primitive tools,perhaps one or two steam shovels,but mostly sheer manpower!
It amazes me every time I see it.
As ever, beautifully filmed, but I missed the helpful and informative commentary. I have a super video of steam days along this line with much heavy freight toiling up the gradient or awaiting its turn into the tunnel, and the many now closed stations ( many of what are now just bridges once had stations by them ). Back then, of course, it was 4 track.
That’s an early video but they all have captions now. I’d love to see that footage of yours.
@@doncoffey5820 If you can find it, it is a 1992 VHS tape called Pennine Steam in the 60s featuring Huddersfield - Marsden and Bradford-Huddersfield, and contrasts scenes "now" and in the 60s. So, you could see the line as it was 30 and 60 years ago. Now it is all so clean and easy, almost sterile, compared to the dirt, smoke and toil of 60 years ago, but the old line had a passion and life which have now gone.
Oh yes, I’ve seen that. I thought it was footage of your own!
Precision Photography here , well done !
Much appreciated Burt 👍
Very good! I enjoyed watching that!
Thanks Henry.
Another wonderful video, I just wish it were captioned as the ones that are are so informative
I’m getting through them Drew. I’m just working on a revised Lime St to Vic which had no captions first time round.
@@doncoffey5820 I didn't realise you were going back through the videos, adding captions. That's going to be a big job but your hard work is greatly appreciated. If there were no captions at all, these would still be great programs but, as we've seen captions on the newer episodes, they are greatly missed on the earlier ones. Will we get notifications when an episode is updated, or do we just keep checking back to the older ones?
Very nice Don.are you going to add the rest of the journey please?
Yes, Jerry. Each time I’ve tried so far its rained or there has been a succession of interuptions etc. I’m all geared up with a high def Gopro and one of these days, all the conditions will be right - bear with me!
Oh my God...How dark it is when the train pass thru the tunnel.
Reminds me of Pennsylvania
Fab video, many thanks. May I ask a question, please. Just after Stalybridge when we diverge to the Ashton line, in the past the line would probably have diverged directly, but now there is a crossover to the other running line before diverging. This seems to be far more common these days. Is it for cost reasons? Thanks, John
If you follow it from the ends of the platforms and look to the left, there is effectively a ladder junction giving access in both directions from Platform 1 on the far left, Platform 2 (the bay), 3 which we pass through, four to the right (the down platform to Huddersfield) and the far right bay (Platform 5). Now continue through the junction towards Ashton and you can see there is a crossover from the Down Ashton giving access to any of those 5 locations. Just have a look at the video from Lime St to Huddersfield and it might make more sense viewed from the other direction. If you look at Piccadilly to Stalybridge you can see similar access via the ladder to all but Platform 5.
@@doncoffey5820 Thanks, Don. Will defo take a look.
Note the Northern electric train parked in the siding just after Manchester Victoria. Proof that the wiring to Victoria is being used.
At 32:43, on the left, is George Stephenson's Manchester station and warehouse. We swing right and join his formation.
A dapple grey centered in between a brace of Irish cobs@7:02.
Wonderful video well done many thanks don,How long is the tunnel at 8-46,kind regards bob from sydney australia.
5,500 yards (5,029 m)
This weekend I just done a track renewal on the up Huddersfield line which is what this train is on. At the Western end of the Diggle viaduct at 13m 50ch.
I noticed all the materials had been put out Aaron. Good job 👍
@@doncoffey5820 Week 29 they are doing the down 🙋
@@doncoffey5820 Do you have a dead man's switch in your cab
A pedal, yes.
I had two tasty eccles cakes today and I'm a very long way from Eccles.
Now I’m hungry!
Is there anything left of Cross Lane station that indicates it was ever there? It was in Salford.. approx' under the M602 roundabout on this route.
Not really. You can see the location as we pass and you can read a bit more here. I will be filming the return journey soon as that footage is quite old now.
www.disused-stations.org.uk/c/cross_lane/
@@doncoffey5820 Thanks👍🏻
Was this originally a 3 or 4 track line? If so, what year was it demoted? There seems to be a lot of empty space, especially at the beginning. I miss the cations. We started with Diesel power. Did we switch to electric?
Hi. We stayed with diesel throughout on this trip Bivolari as I shot it from a Class 185. After leaving Huddersfield the line was quadrupled all the way to Standedge Tunnel but the line has been rationalised progressively over the 60s and 70s. It’s a great shame as there are severe capacity problems on this line.
Hi Don! Awesome video as per.
That's a long tunnel about 10 mins! Do you ever switch the lights on inside or in front?
The lights are on permanently Ken. I occasionally dim them down on night services so all my little cherubs can sleep 😴
Oh and the headlights are much better than the camera would suggest.
What are the white triangular signs with numbers on, for example at 7:37 ?
Its an advanced warning of a speed reduction - usually placed where the reduction in speed is greater than 10 mph and even if the reduction is in stages. In the case you have cited, the speed reduction warning is for 45 mph and the reductions on approach from the initial speed of 75 are 70, 60 then 45. The warning board always has an AWS warning that must be acknowledged - you can hear me do it.
OK, that makes sense. Thanks.
Have you done a cab ride, from Hebden Bridge or Todmorden to Burnley, would love to see along that line, Liven in the area many years ago and the old Deltics used to rumble passed my old school
It was all planned John until this confounded pandemic came along. I really can’t promise anything at the moment.
Was this possibly a class 185 DMU or some other class ? Thanks, Dana.
Dana Mack it’s a Class 185 you can hear it’s unique exhaust note (something that makes the 185s sound really meaty) in the tunnels at the start
Surprised to see that the headlights on this train do not illuminate the tunnel.
They do but the camera doesn’t pick it up.
I did notice that too. The lights appear to be almost non-existant in all the tunnels. Cameras do some weird things; tail lights often look white and the signal aspects can be hard to identify too.
Mr. Coffey, no disrespect intended but, is there a reason why most if not all your videos through tunnels are super dark... is the low lighting from engine or is it the camera settings...? just curious ...
Its a good question. A lot of the early videos were shot on a GoPro Hero which is hopeless in low light. The later camera is a GoPro 7 which is much better definition but it is temperamental to say the least and it hangs up. The trouble is these action cameras are really not right for low light situations but they handle motion very well and there is a limit to what clobber I can carry and set up in a few moments without delaying a train. I think you’ll find the latest videos are better but don’t expect too much. In reality, we can see much more than the footage would suggest.
Some construction feat that. Got to hand it to the engineers and navvies of the day.
Fantastic weren’t they.
What are those numerous oval white plates, with a number on alongside the track?
Those are Bridge identification plates , showing its bridge number the line and the distance , So drivers can use it as a reference in an emergency.
That's very helpful, thanks. I have seen them scattered around but never so many on just part of the route.
Didn't know there was a direct route from Huddersfield to Eccles, I have to get off at Piccadilly and jump on another
We have several services via Chat Moss now John. You’d have to change at Victoria for Eccles.
@@doncoffey5820 No I believe Eccles from Victoria is only during rush hour, they use the Chester service then after that its back to the Lime Street via Piccadilly
Nice. Would be better if it was over the Woodhead route. Don't Network Rail do any weedkilling these days? The lineside around Manchester looks like an overgrown garden. Do Trans Pennine Manchester drivers sign everywhere?
Network Rail do weed killing but all their efforts are concentrated on water jetting at this time of year. Manchester drivers sign routes according to the link they are in. My link is Hull specific so I can’t film Scarborough. None of us sign north of York and the Hope Valley (we refer to as South Pennine) is all Sheffield and Cleethorpes drivers. A different Piccadilly link goes to Edinburgh.
Don Coffey That’s a shame, I would have thought you would do Newcastle, Middlesbrough and Scarborough. I was going to go to Scarborough a few years ago but I’m glad I didn’t as they are getting a depot there and also having to sign 68s too.
What does flashing yellow signals mean?
Might be better to watch this;
ua-cam.com/video/QbqXNfx_CNg/v-deo.html
Greetings from Melbourne, Australia. Is it me or does the resolution change for the better at 26:17?
That’s one of the first videos I did and it was with a car dashcam so it might well.
Are you a train driver? If so, what trains do you sign to drive? I have a big interest in trains, have been since I was little. I'm autistic.
Yes Chris. I sign Transpennine Express Class 185s. Glad you enjoy the videos.
Not the usual Don Coffey vids with loads of helpful info, no station names!?
One of the very first I did Norman. They’ve evolved a bit since then 😉
Iv done these routes with both DMU's and most recently steam traction.
Ah, good. Hopefully it adds a different perspective.
@@doncoffey5820 With the 68's, 185's and 802's you tend to pay more attention to either a mobile or laptop screen than watch the scenery go by. With steam tours though it's a completely different story as you do intend to pay more attention to that and watch the scenery go by aswell as listen to the engine at work (especialy if your right at the front like I was). On Sat 29th Feb this year I traveled along the route behind LMS Jubilee no 45562 Alberta (45699 Galatea in disguise) onboard "The Cotton Mill Express". ua-cam.com/video/A-koxSO5jj4/v-deo.html
The tour started off in Lancaster and then ran down to Manchester Victoria via Preston, Wigan and Eccles. From Manchester Vic it followed the route shown in the video (in the opposite direction though) towards Huddersfield. From there the special continued onwards to Blackburn running via Brighouse and Copy Pit. After a short break in Blackburn the special then returned to Manchester Vic running via Bamber Bridge and Bolton. From there the tour then did a second circuit of the Stalybridge, Huddersfield and Brighouse route. From there the special then ran back to Manchester Vic via Rochdale. After Manchester Vic the tour then returned to Lancaster via the outward route of Eccles, Wigan and Preston. This is certainly a trip that I hope The Railway Touring Company will run again in the future as the Huddersfield line rarely sees steam tours.
I’ve got a mate who is arranging for me to film on the Welsh Mountain Railway at some stage. Its just a question of time.
Enjoyable ... but is this the first ever un-annotated Don Coffey video??
Some of the early ones didn’t have captions but they all do know - they’ve evolved!!!
Is there a captioned version of this?
There is in various bits Ian. Look up Chat Moss and Oxford Road to York.
Nice video, other than 'Who the heck wants to go to Eccles" lol
Eccles, like the cake?
One and the same!
What's the closed station at around 24 minutes?
That’s Park Station. They talk about opening it from time to time but nothing seems to come of it.
Do train drivers wave like loons at other drivers like bus drivers do all day ?
We do most of the time - mad as a box of frogs.
Painters don’t???
I'm going have to get my rail atlas out I got lost between Stalybridge and Victoria
I’m going that way today with a Redcar to Victoria express then take it empty to the depot.
great video, would be enhanced with a few caption of which station passing through, junction, tunnel names. For those who dont know the route.
The newer videos all have captions Tim. I’ll be revisiting the older ones when I get chance.
@@doncoffey5820 cheers, make very good viewing these winter days..
Where was Felix (or Bolt) to see you off at Huddersfield?!
Felix is usually out on the prowl but she’s not always in the mood for socialising and is quite likely to take a lump out of anyone inclined to try. Bolt is another kettle of fish and just wants to play and be fussed.
@@doncoffey5820 Nice one! My wife bought the books and they are an excellent read. Now off to watch the York to Manchester diversionary clip.
@@vern1961 that’s lovely footage.
What class train is this route on 9:28
It’s a long time ago, I can’t remember.
Hi there don it's mark how are you . Have done video of Liverpool lime st to Norwich.
Very good Mark - I hope the same for you. That actually goes well off my patch so I’d need some help from EMR Regional if they are listening!!!
Train cabride from Lancaster to Barrow,
please.
It was planned but was postponed due to Covid. I might be able to resurrect it at some time in the future.
We ls on morning Time Journey
I believe it was but that is one of the first recordings I made a long time ago so I can’t be sure.
The line needs wiring - ridiculous that a line as important as this doesn’t have electric wires as yet and it lacks passing loops.
The route is about to get extensive modifications and if the government are good to their word, electrification.
@@doncoffey5820 it certainly needs modifications and overhead lines to be added. For too long this route has not been invested in. It should have been wired a long time ago. Would agree on more passing tracks being added? I just think it has an insufficient number of places for slow trains to be overtaken.
Well, like I say, it's going to get it if the government stay true to their word.
What does the tunnel at 8:46 go under? I am not familiar with this area.
That is Standedge Tunnel that passes under the Pennines from Marsden to Diggle. It is just over 3 miles long and is well over 500 ft below ground level in some places. I will be re-visiting some of those earlier videos with captions when I get chance.
15:32 my house on the right 👍
You must have a spectacular view up there. It’s lovely.
@@doncoffey5820 we do thanks. The moors are beautiful. Made special having the Manchester to Leeds train line 6 foot from your garden fence.
no comments or captions here Don
It’s one of the first videos I did Graham, they’ve evolved a bit since then!😉
Huddersfield to Eccles... much demand for that journey...? Also, shame about the lack of the clickety clack, clickety clack. RIP.
It was one of my very early videos Alan and part of York to Liverpool I think. It peed down with rain so I cut it short.
29:09
Not like the great days of 40s 45s and 47s.
Maybe so Anne but its progress I guess.
its more like a bus ride than a train ride....the train doesn't look anything like a train and the route is uninspiring and trashy in places...like taking a bus through the less wholesome bits of atlanta........you have much much more interesting videos than this one
That’s one of the very early ones I did. They’ve evolve somewhat since then.
Oh dear another nonentity of a video,no info at all????
You’ve chosen just about the oldest one in the collection Eric, try working backwards from the newest. ua-cam.com/video/wocpO9j4w3g/v-deo.html
@@doncoffey5820 I have seen some of your others and most are great i must admit.