I have a 2015 Zoe with 15000 miles. I've seen comments on the different forums referring to Q and R models. Thanks for explaining what this means. I now know I have a Q motor. I've had the car 7 weeks, it had just been serviced when I bought it, LOL. Using another of your instructive videos, I've learned that it hasn't had the BMS update (surprise) but it is booked in on 6th Dec.
Just for your knowledge I have one of the first 2013 Zoe's and it has a quick charge silver top motor. It will fully charge in just over 40 mins when using ecotricity chargers. 👍
Instead of "Squirrels In A Box" you could also use the "Stadium Effect" analogy. It's easy to fill the first 80% but it becomes harder for people to find the remaining seats. The squirrel one does sound more fun though.😏
+evtrekker13 someone on forum said it and really made my chuckle you can imagine how hard it is with squirrels 😀 if your not already subscribe to channel I do interesting content like this every week and open to any ideas you’d like to see.
Can you give similar charge rates for the R motor on a 43 kw ecotricity charger, i.e. 0-20 mins 8 - 72% at 42kw etc? It seems that when paying for ecotricity charges, that with an R motor that the connection charge over 45 mins seems exorbitant for the amount of kwh that can be pumped in during that time. It does not seem clear in the Zoe product leaflet that an R motor can never utilise the 43kw charge only 22kw. Therefore does charging at a 43kw charger have any advantage over charging at a 22kw charger for an R motor?
no advantage at all plugging in the R- motor to a 43kw post its max charge is 22kwh, so you may as well plug into a cheaper post. Ecotricity post will just supply what your car can handle so it will down the charge to 22kwh, if your going to want to do lots of quick charging then pay extra for the Q motor, hope this helps and don't forget to subscribe to the channel.
Thanks for that. But the charge rates you have given refer to a 22kw motor. What are the charge rates i.e. mins/%/charge for a 41kw R motor?. From the figures you have given, I have worked out that you are receiving 14kwh in 20 mins which seems pretty good and if the ecotricity charger will deliver for me 22kw constantly for say 45 mins (the max charge time allowed in 1 charge) then I should get 16.5kwh giving a range of about 70mls. If however the charge rate drops after 20mins to 16 or less then that's not economical.
I've not got a lot of real world figures for the ZE40 however Renault sales leaflet states the following "0-80% charge R90 takes 1 hour 40 mins" same book quote for a Q90 is 65 mins
I know of the above figures, but what in my opinion is misleading is that the brochure gives charging times 0-80% for the 43kw charger but 0-100% for charging at 22kw and 7kw. In actual fact the times for a full charge at 43kw should also be 2hr 40mins for the R motor which is the same time as for a 22kw charger indicating that the 43kw charger is only charging at 22kw. Although these times are informative, nonetheless fair comparisons should be for all at 100% and all at 0-80%. Do you not agree?
Hi Nicolas, Really useful information. A few weeks ago I bought a late 2015 22Kw Zoe with the R motor for my wife and have been so impressed with it that I have been looking for one for my self with Q motor so I can rapid charge on longer journeys. Today I found one being sold privately, it is a July 2014 low mileage Dynamique Zen in excellent condition with one lady owner and at a very good price. The main differences between the Zen and Intens seems to be the Zen has a light coloured interior and a fragrance diffuser instead of a reversing camera, so my reversing will be rubbish but I will smell nice.
Thanks for the heads up Nicolas, I will bear that in mind and see how I get on. I recently had my Citroen DS5 Hybrid washed and valeted, the guys used some shiny solution on the matt black dashboard, this caused bad reflections and I spent about an hour cleaning it off.
Hi Ronald make sure you subscribe, I can’t fully comment on leaf as I don’t own one, I can give you some pros and cons of zoe am due to make that into a video soon but zoe In my opinion is a better looking car and cheaper it’s also got better range than zoe, zoe can also pull higher AC current as standard even the R model can pull 22kw AC the leaf is slightly better built and faster, it also can charge DC or AC however AC will only be 3.3kw unless you paid for upgrade to 6.6kw the new leaf is 6.6ac
Up to 22kw, the R motor will charge faster on one phase 230v. 0-100% times: 2,3 kw: R 25:00h, Q >30:00h (R is 5 hours faster!) 3,7 kw: R 15:00, Q 15:30 (R is 30 minutes faster!) 7,4 kw: R 7:25, Q 8:25 (R is 60 minutes faster!) 11kw 3phase: both 4:30 22kw 3phase: both 2:40 43kw 3phase: R 1:40 (22kw), Q 1:05 (43kw), so only now the Q is 35 minutes faster Source: www.renault.nl/insights/elektrisch-rijden/renault-zoe-r90-q90.html
Thanks clemens74 for subscribing and posting the figures :) I'd take them figures with a pinch of salt, The R will charge faster on lower charging stations however... most people won't be charging below 3.7kw Every day use. Most users now will install 7.4 Kw and anyone charging between 2.3 and 7.4 Kw would be doing at home for overnight charging, so an Extra 30 minutes isn't huge. Also as you more than likely know your self your likely to rarely go down to 0% charge i plug in most nights around 20% which means 30 minutes becomes a lot less. I suspect the 3 phase figures are also wrong, user reports that Q is quicker on 3 phase than the R motor on 22kw charger. I suspect Renault want to push R sales over Q as its cheaper for them and they get better profits. However the R will save energy cost over the Q if your charging at home a lot or using single phase chargers so for some users it will benefit them. Again the issue would then become if you want to travel further than 1 charge in a single leg journey in that case the Q wins as motorway networks tend to be full of 43kw AC, Again the other issue is on 43kw your unlike to charge to 100% as the balance would take some vital time it be quicker to drive to next 43kw charger with a lower battery.
Do you have any data on charging efficiency? So if you draw 10kwh from the grid, how much will end up in the battery and how much is lost? Is there a difference in the R and Q motor?
Some data from RZOC members on forum, the R is more efficient at single phase and the Q at three phase, Personally think the benefit of the Q outweighs the R as you can travel further.
Hi Nick, I have come across a '17 40kw Zoe Sig with an F as the eight digit. Sales guy says its an R110 with the 43kw charger. Cant make sense of it? R motors don't have the fast charger ?
Hey was waiting for this to crop up so the newer Zoe’s don’t follow the vin rule anymore, however you can’t have a R motor that charges at 43kw I think he means it’s a 40kwh battery and it charges at 22kw with it being an R110 check the engine bay and compare the pictures for this one best of luck don’t forget to subscribe
Question please. Can a 41kw R110 be plugged into a 43kw charging point? I know it won't charge at this speed, but is there some sort of sensor that reduces the charging rate to the appropriate rate suitable for this model?
I have a 'C' in the middle of the VIN number rather than A or B! From the photos it is a Quick charge version which is what I paid for but I am not managing to get rapid charging .
Hi Stuart sorry i need to add that to video description that on the NEWER ZE40 it Q model is a C :) Charge speed depends on a couple of variables in all EV's. If you tried different rapids i would guess it be battery temp try driving at high speed between chargers and try again. Thanks for subscribing, check out my other ZOE video's.
Nicolas Raimo excellent. Came here looking for this info and can see that my VIN is C (just waiting to take delivery) so I know it’s definitely the Q90 like I ordered 😃
I have a Zoe 41kwh (2017) that can only charge at 22kw. Is there any way to change this? Doing longer trips is a struggle because of the charging time. Is it correct that there's no Renault Zoe 41kwh with fast charging? I asked my dealership in Sweden and they said the 22kw charging was the only option available.
Hi Anton, your Zoe has the R motor and that's why you can only charge at 22kw. You can't change the charge rate after the car is built as its the Motor that changes the charge speed on a Zoe, HOWEVER what your dealer didn't tell you is that you could of paid extra to have the Q motor when you spec'd the car. Please subscribe to my channel to help support my channel and if you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Hi Robert i added this note to the description of the video... Q motor VIN - if on 22kw model "A" on ZE40 "C" R Motor VIN if 22kw model "B" on ZE40 "F"
Just seen an other Zoe owner who appears to stupid , how can you buy a car without knowing what’s under the bonnet. Q motor also more efficient, q motor made by continental, new motor made in house by Renault , weight less in new car but restricted to 22 kw charging . Seemed a backward step but in Ireland most charging 22kw , but 43 also slow when cold and very little difference seen in winter unless battery warm but charging reduces in cold even on 22kw chargers for q motor
I don't know how about buying or ordering that car in UK or Ireland but in Germany you don't have any glue which motor you get, there is no any information even in vehicle documents. I heard that you can't even have an option to choose which motor you want to order.
It doesn’t give any extra range so don’t call it that, best just to say R and Q, they just updated the new R motor you seen my latest video on this don’t forget to subscribe
Bit confusing as the battery isn't the motor, it's the fuel. Sounds like zoe uses a brushed motor, why not brushless? More efficient, more powerful, more torque for a comparable brushed motor.
Mine says F, not A or B: VF1AGVYF######### - it looks and behaves like a R-motor though. Also, it's an Intense-model. EDIT: Looked it up, and apparently the F means that it's from 2015, and A and B should mean that they're from 2010 and 2011 respectively.
The engine looks like the R model - that is, it has that exact same black pipe as you showed in the picture. I'm just trying to help a relative out in how to request a Q-model from a clueless car renting company, so I'm trying to figure out ways to tell them apart, so that it can be communicated to the company.
Q motor VIN - if on 22kw model "A" on ZE40 "C"
R Motor VIN if 22kw model "B" on ZE40 "F"
My 2019 ZE40 has this VIN: VF1AG0005616XXXXX - so no C or F there ...
Any suggestings?
I have a 2015 Zoe with 15000 miles. I've seen comments on the different forums referring to Q and R models. Thanks for explaining what this means. I now know I have a Q motor. I've had the car 7 weeks, it had just been serviced when I bought it, LOL. Using another of your instructive videos, I've learned that it hasn't had the BMS update (surprise) but it is booked in on 6th Dec.
Least now you know you can Quick charge! Yea BMS big issue at current make sure you subscribe :)
Just for your knowledge I have one of the first 2013 Zoe's and it has a quick charge silver top motor. It will fully charge in just over 40 mins when using ecotricity chargers. 👍
+David Smith stay tuned for next week some special news
Instead of "Squirrels In A Box" you could also use the "Stadium Effect" analogy. It's easy to fill the first 80% but it becomes harder for people to find the remaining seats. The squirrel one does sound more fun though.😏
+evtrekker13 someone on forum said it and really made my chuckle you can imagine how hard it is with squirrels 😀 if your not already subscribe to channel I do interesting content like this every week and open to any ideas you’d like to see.
For sure filling a stadium is a good if not best example
This video explains how to tell what motor you have in your ZOE, in other words it tell you if your Renault Zoe can quick charge or not.
Can you give similar charge rates for the R motor on a 43 kw ecotricity charger, i.e. 0-20 mins 8 - 72% at 42kw etc? It seems that when paying for ecotricity charges, that with an R motor that the connection charge over 45 mins seems exorbitant for the amount of kwh that can be pumped in during that time. It does not seem clear in the Zoe product leaflet that an R motor can never utilise the 43kw charge only 22kw. Therefore does charging at a 43kw charger have any advantage over charging at a 22kw charger for an R motor?
no advantage at all plugging in the R- motor to a 43kw post its max charge is 22kwh, so you may as well plug into a cheaper post.
Ecotricity post will just supply what your car can handle so it will down the charge to 22kwh, if your going to want to do lots of quick charging then pay extra for the Q motor, hope this helps and don't forget to subscribe to the channel.
Thanks for that. But the charge rates you have given refer to a 22kw motor. What are the charge rates i.e. mins/%/charge for a 41kw R motor?. From the figures you have given, I have worked out that you are receiving 14kwh in 20 mins which seems pretty good and if the ecotricity charger will deliver for me 22kw constantly for say 45 mins (the max charge time allowed in 1 charge) then I should get 16.5kwh giving a range of about 70mls. If however the charge rate drops after 20mins to 16 or less then that's not economical.
I've not got a lot of real world figures for the ZE40 however Renault sales leaflet states the following "0-80% charge R90 takes 1 hour 40 mins" same book quote for a Q90 is 65 mins
I know of the above figures, but what in my opinion is misleading is that the brochure gives charging times 0-80% for the 43kw charger but 0-100% for charging at 22kw and 7kw. In actual fact the times for a full charge at 43kw should also be 2hr 40mins for the R motor which is the same time as for a 22kw charger indicating that the 43kw charger is only charging at 22kw. Although these times are informative, nonetheless fair comparisons should be for all at 100% and all at 0-80%. Do you not agree?
Hi Nicolas,
Really useful information.
A few weeks ago I bought a late 2015 22Kw Zoe with the R motor for my wife and have been so impressed with it that I have been looking for one for my self with Q motor so I can rapid charge on longer journeys. Today I found one being sold privately, it is a July 2014 low mileage Dynamique Zen in excellent condition with one lady owner and at a very good price.
The main differences between the Zen and Intens seems to be the Zen has a light coloured interior and a fragrance diffuser instead of a reversing camera, so my reversing will be rubbish but I will smell nice.
If the dashboard is light colour try ensure Renault change it as it is dangerous
In what way dangerous? Is there a recall on it?
They reflect really badly Renault did replacements on them in early days for free there fine if you keep some polarised sun glasses handy
Thanks for the heads up Nicolas, I will bear that in mind and see how I get on.
I recently had my Citroen DS5 Hybrid washed and valeted, the guys used some shiny solution on the matt black dashboard, this caused bad reflections and I spent about an hour cleaning it off.
I keep decent set of sun glasses 👓 in car
This was really useful, thank you!
Hello.
Anybody know how to detect R110 or R135 motor by VIN?
Thanks!
Great video, very informative. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks so much don’t forget to subscribe
Hi Nicolas can you point out the benefits the zoe has over the leaf ? Why should I go for a zoe rather than a leaf . Appreciate it mate . Cheers
Hi Ronald make sure you subscribe, I can’t fully comment on leaf as I don’t own one, I can give you some pros and cons of zoe am due to make that into a video soon but zoe In my opinion is a better looking car and cheaper it’s also got better range than zoe, zoe can also pull higher AC current as standard even the R model can pull 22kw AC
the leaf is slightly better built and faster, it also can charge DC or AC however AC will only be 3.3kw unless you paid for upgrade to 6.6kw the new leaf is 6.6ac
What happens if you use the AC43kw charger on the R motor? Its my only choice for long trip. I haven't tried it yet.
It charges at 22kw ;)
Up to 22kw, the R motor will charge faster on one phase 230v.
0-100% times:
2,3 kw: R 25:00h, Q >30:00h (R is 5 hours faster!)
3,7 kw: R 15:00, Q 15:30 (R is 30 minutes faster!)
7,4 kw: R 7:25, Q 8:25 (R is 60 minutes faster!)
11kw 3phase: both 4:30
22kw 3phase: both 2:40
43kw 3phase: R 1:40 (22kw), Q 1:05 (43kw), so only now the Q is 35 minutes faster
Source: www.renault.nl/insights/elektrisch-rijden/renault-zoe-r90-q90.html
Thanks clemens74 for subscribing and posting the figures :)
I'd take them figures with a pinch of salt, The R will charge faster on lower charging stations however... most people won't be charging below 3.7kw Every day use.
Most users now will install 7.4 Kw and anyone charging between 2.3 and 7.4 Kw would be doing at home for overnight charging, so an Extra 30 minutes isn't huge.
Also as you more than likely know your self your likely to rarely go down to 0% charge i plug in most nights around 20% which means 30 minutes becomes a lot less.
I suspect the 3 phase figures are also wrong, user reports that Q is quicker on 3 phase than the R motor on 22kw charger. I suspect Renault want to push R sales over Q as its cheaper for them and they get better profits.
However the R will save energy cost over the Q if your charging at home a lot or using single phase chargers so for some users it will benefit them.
Again the issue would then become if you want to travel further than 1 charge in a single leg journey in that case the Q wins as motorway networks tend to be full of 43kw AC, Again the other issue is on 43kw your unlike to charge to 100% as the balance would take some vital time it be quicker to drive to next 43kw charger with a lower battery.
Do you have any data on charging efficiency? So if you draw 10kwh from the grid, how much will end up in the battery and how much is lost? Is there a difference in the R and Q motor?
Some data from RZOC members on forum, the R is more efficient at single phase and the Q at three phase, Personally think the benefit of the Q outweighs the R as you can travel further.
Hi Nick, I have come across a '17 40kw Zoe Sig with an F as the eight digit. Sales guy says its an R110 with the 43kw charger. Cant make sense of it? R motors don't have the fast charger ?
Hey was waiting for this to crop up so the newer Zoe’s don’t follow the vin rule anymore, however you can’t have a R motor that charges at 43kw I think he means it’s a 40kwh battery and it charges at 22kw with it being an R110 check the engine bay and compare the pictures for this one best of luck don’t forget to subscribe
Question please. Can a 41kw R110 be plugged into a 43kw charging point? I know it won't charge at this speed, but is there some sort of sensor that reduces the charging rate to the appropriate rate suitable for this model?
R motors can be plugged into 43kw chargers without any issues even the 41kwh battery version but yes the charge rate gets reduced to 22kw
@@NicolasRaimo Ah that's exactly what I wanted to hear thank you. I'm looking at ordering a Zoe
wozza59 no issue if your wanting help ordering a new one I can get deals on them email on evnick.com
Hello , i want to buy 2014 Renault zoe, it has %87 battery in it. After some time, will the battery die? Do you have any idea about that ?
+Ergin şen video about it on the channel but in short no don’t worry
I have a 'C' in the middle of the VIN number rather than A or B! From the photos it is a Quick charge version which is what I paid for but I am not managing to get rapid charging
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Hi Stuart sorry i need to add that to video description that on the NEWER ZE40 it Q model is a C :) Charge speed depends on a couple of variables in all EV's. If you tried different rapids i would guess it be battery temp try driving at high speed between chargers and try again. Thanks for subscribing, check out my other ZOE video's.
Nicolas Raimo excellent. Came here looking for this info and can see that my VIN is C (just waiting to take delivery) so I know it’s definitely the Q90 like I ordered 😃
I have a Zoe 41kwh (2017) that can only charge at 22kw. Is there any way to change this? Doing longer trips is a struggle because of the charging time. Is it correct that there's no Renault Zoe 41kwh with fast charging? I asked my dealership in Sweden and they said the 22kw charging was the only option available.
Hi Anton, your Zoe has the R motor and that's why you can only charge at 22kw. You can't change the charge rate after the car is built as its the Motor that changes the charge speed on a Zoe, HOWEVER what your dealer didn't tell you is that you could of paid extra to have the Q motor when you spec'd the car. Please subscribe to my channel to help support my channel and if you have any more questions feel free to ask.
I got Nav With Black underhood and B in VIN. So all three match to R motor
+Dmitri Konev glad the video helped :) make sure you subscribe there’s other helpful videos for zoe owners :)
The 8th digit of mine is an F?
Newer zoes stopped following this rule long ago
Hi Nicolas I have a nissan env200 it's a 2014 model had it from new done 89k miles and soh is at 97.2 per cent
cheers Mark, shows TMS helps the health compared to leafs
8th digit - Mine is a C 2017/18 model.
Hi Robert i added this note to the description of the video...
Q motor VIN - if on 22kw model "A" on ZE40 "C"
R Motor VIN if 22kw model "B" on ZE40 "F"
don't forget to Subscribe
Thanks Nicholas. I understand now.
Hello. Can you confirm this VIN : VF1AGVYC056479634.
Is it Q motor and 41kW battery?
Thanks!
it seems so
But R motor and 41kW how to detect?
Thanks!
on video description under video it says full details.
F, ok thanks!
No problem remember to share my channel with friends and family!
Just seen an other Zoe owner who appears to stupid , how can you buy a car without knowing what’s under the bonnet. Q motor also more efficient, q motor made by continental, new motor made in house by Renault , weight less in new car but restricted to 22 kw charging . Seemed a backward step but in Ireland most charging 22kw , but 43 also slow when cold and very little difference seen in winter unless battery warm but charging reduces in cold even on 22kw chargers for q motor
I don't know how about buying or ordering that car in UK or Ireland but in Germany you don't have any glue which motor you get, there is no any information even in vehicle documents. I heard that you can't even have an option to choose which motor you want to order.
I thought it was Q for Quick-charge and R for range.
It doesn’t give any extra range so don’t call it that, best just to say R and Q, they just updated the new R motor you seen my latest video on this don’t forget to subscribe
Bit confusing as the battery isn't the motor, it's the fuel. Sounds like zoe uses a brushed motor, why not brushless? More efficient, more powerful, more torque for a comparable brushed motor.
Mine says F, not A or B: VF1AGVYF######### - it looks and behaves like a R-motor though. Also, it's an Intense-model.
EDIT: Looked it up, and apparently the F means that it's from 2015, and A and B should mean that they're from 2010 and 2011 respectively.
F means your on a ZE40 not a 22kw model what does the engine bat look like that’s the other way
The engine looks like the R model - that is, it has that exact same black pipe as you showed in the picture. I'm just trying to help a relative out in how to request a Q-model from a clueless car renting company, so I'm trying to figure out ways to tell them apart, so that it can be communicated to the company.
F is R on ZE40 and C is Q from memory
Indeed. I have the same situation. F letter in Zoe 40 and no difference whether I am charging from 43 or 22 kWh charging station
You're not looking into the camera, it feels like you are talking to some else and not us.
+Warrick Moore reading a part script plus had camera wrong side of screen won’t happen again hopefully doesn’t distract from message