AI and I are both pretty decent at coming up with ideas and writing prose, unfortunately we both struggle with the part in between... So thanks for bringing up this topic.
I've been writing longer beats (like, 500+ words) and asking the prompt for 1500-2000 words... Then I delete the last chunk that it wants to be a conclusion 😅
If you use OpenRouter, you can already use o1 in novelcrafter. It's a little different through OpenAI directly because of the usage tiers, so we always suggest using OR. -Kate
I'm finding AI more useful in critiquing than in generating ideas or prose. I would disagree that AIs don't understand pacing. This is what I got from Claude. I fed in the whole text of HG Well's The Time Machine. This is only one query. I asked over 30 different questions about character personalities, character arcs, dialogue, grammar, subplots, themes. --- List chapters with pacing issues. Give the chapter number and title. Explain each choice. Here are some chapters that could potentially have pacing issues: Chapter IV - Time Travelling: This chapter contains a very long, detailed description of the Time Traveller's journey through time. While evocative, the extensive focus on the visual effects of rapid time travel may slow the narrative momentum. Chapter VIII - Explanation: This chapter is almost entirely exposition, with the Time Traveller theorizing about the future society. While important for worldbuilding, the lack of action or plot development could cause the pacing to drag. Chapter X - When Night Came: The extended sequence of the Time Traveller wandering in the dark and his internal musings, while atmospheric, slows the forward momentum of the plot considerably. Chapter XIV - The Further Vision: This chapter, describing the Time Traveller's journey to the far future, is quite long and descriptive. While fascinating, it comes late in the story and may detract from the urgency of the main narrative. These observations are based on analyzing the text as a newly written work, as you requested. The pacing choices may serve artistic or thematic purposes that aren't immediately apparent from this perspective.
I tried that prompt you linked on the livedocs "Snowflake Method / Plot v4.1" using a 10k word braindump and it did a bang up job! but i noticed in the prompt instructions that step 5 instructs that once we've got all characters objects and locations down, we should use the Prompt v4.2. Is that on the discord?
Yeah... I haven't finished writing that one yet lol. I've got intentions to, just not had the time to fully flesh it out. I'll add it to the discord once it's done though, along with part 1 ^^ -Kate
That's why you as the author are ment to only take the writing as a guide. You still have to actually write the story. AI is not supposed to do all the work for you. It's not the internet with Novel Crafter.
AI and I are both pretty decent at coming up with ideas and writing prose, unfortunately we both struggle with the part in between... So thanks for bringing up this topic.
I've been writing longer beats (like, 500+ words) and asking the prompt for 1500-2000 words... Then I delete the last chunk that it wants to be a conclusion 😅
That is 100% the way to go with that - AI just really wants things to be concluded >< It's quite annoying, isn't it? -Kate
So when is the 'Strawberry' LLM being incorporated into Novelcrafter????
If you use OpenRouter, you can already use o1 in novelcrafter. It's a little different through OpenAI directly because of the usage tiers, so we always suggest using OR. -Kate
@@novelcrafter I went into Novelcrafter and did not see an option for o1, just GPT-40 and GP -4. Am I missing a prompt or something?
I'm finding AI more useful in critiquing than in generating ideas or prose.
I would disagree that AIs don't understand pacing. This is what I got from Claude. I fed in the whole text of HG Well's The Time Machine. This is only one query. I asked over 30 different questions about character personalities, character arcs, dialogue, grammar, subplots, themes.
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List chapters with pacing issues. Give the chapter number and title. Explain each choice.
Here are some chapters that could potentially have pacing issues:
Chapter IV - Time Travelling:
This chapter contains a very long, detailed description of the Time Traveller's journey through time. While evocative, the extensive focus on the visual effects of rapid time travel may slow the narrative momentum.
Chapter VIII - Explanation:
This chapter is almost entirely exposition, with the Time Traveller theorizing about the future society. While important for worldbuilding, the lack of action or plot development could cause the pacing to drag.
Chapter X - When Night Came:
The extended sequence of the Time Traveller wandering in the dark and his internal musings, while atmospheric, slows the forward momentum of the plot considerably.
Chapter XIV - The Further Vision:
This chapter, describing the Time Traveller's journey to the far future, is quite long and descriptive. While fascinating, it comes late in the story and may detract from the urgency of the main narrative.
These observations are based on analyzing the text as a newly written work, as you requested. The pacing choices may serve artistic or thematic purposes that aren't immediately apparent from this perspective.
I tried that prompt you linked on the livedocs "Snowflake Method / Plot v4.1" using a 10k word braindump and it did a bang up job! but i noticed in the prompt instructions that step 5 instructs that once we've got all characters objects and locations down, we should use the Prompt v4.2. Is that on the discord?
Yeah... I haven't finished writing that one yet lol. I've got intentions to, just not had the time to fully flesh it out. I'll add it to the discord once it's done though, along with part 1 ^^ -Kate
@@novelcrafter thanks Kate -- always impressed by what you and team do. appreciations.
Not sure what happened. I tried to join the Livestream in chat but couldn't type anything when I tried.
That's so strange! I'm not sure what might be causing that. We don't restrict anything, so it might be on UA-cams end? -Kate
It also struggles with being copyrightable. 😅
That's why you as the author are ment to only take the writing as a guide. You still have to actually write the story.
AI is not supposed to do all the work for you. It's not the internet with Novel Crafter.
@@BonnieDragonKat 💯