I love Terry Pratchett in every single way! Did you note that he refers to the "embuggerence" - that's the same way he called his Alzheimer's disease in his letter to the fans. I wish him all the best - he's as intelligent as he is modest.
Asha Greyjoy I always imagined him with black hair, but Charles Dance is pretty much perfect for the role. Dance doesn't quite exude the physical strength Vetinari has, but that was always a relatively minor part of Vetinari's character. Everything else about this representation is spot on.
@@8Rincewind I rather suspected that Vetinari was understated overall, as a character. His intellect and his wielding of it was his greatest strength, and the greater part of that left others askance, off balance.
I mostly saw him as a mixupp of the depiction of him in the books, and a small hint of Jeremy Irons, and with the tone of the audiobook reader for the series. and i do belive he hass fully gray hear in the books, in the colour of magic i think they hadd the aperance down to a t, just with less of the lisp that Jeremy Irons used in the voice tone
I've always imagined him as like Ian Richardson - who was *very* patrician in some of his roles (the original House of Cards - first broadcast over the time of Thatcher's downfall for added humour, I remember it well, and a friend charging into our 6th form common room to announce her going)
I always imagined him as an amalgamation of the book cover art and computer game sprites but now whenever I read a Discworld novel he features in I hear his dialogue in Charles Dance's voice.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.” ― Terry Pratchett, quote from Going Postal
Jeremy Irons' looked closer to some of the art I've seen of Vetinari. And Vetinari's not really a villain. He's quite cold and calculating, but what he does he does for the good of his city.
Actualy, Vetenari is what would be classified as: "the benevolent dictator" in every facet of the stereotype, he realy does care for Morpork, he is kind and helps thous he can. But most do not see that under his elaboratly crafted pokerface and demure. Vetenari is pbobably the most abrurd realist the discworld has ever seen/will see.
@@gampie13 Some of his predecessors had names like "homicidal Lord Winder", "Mad Lord Snapcase". I sometimes imagined that, after his departure, he'd be remembered as "Sane Lord Vetinari". Not "sane" as in "normal" but (as Pratchett wrote of another character) "clearly stark, staring sane".
I really think there's a huge opportunity for Netflix or Amazon or someone to properly fund an extensive series of Discworld adaptations. No guarantees it would actually turn out to be good, but... if they stuck to the source material and did it well, it could be brilliant.
Did you see the travesty that was the BBCs adaption of The Watch? In this day and age of talentless agenda pushing hacks posing as writers I think we should just leave it well alone.
If it had been any other actor, I would have complained that Vetinari should have jet black hair. Charles Dance is just captures the persona so well, however!
@AstaraelDarkrahBlack Really? I loved Charles Dance as Vetinari in the film and his blonde hair made no difference :) He played Vetinari in an amazing way and I hope he'll play him in the next movie, if there's going to be any.
Ivaloinen I think they're both excellent and in some ways Irons is superior. Vetinari is kind of a "good" person but he's positioned in the books and to the world as a necessary evil. He still comes across as dark and dangerous while tinging his words with a bit of humour or irony. I feel Irons can better pull off this duality, where as Dance is either threatening OR human. Though that might be the particular story he's placed in. Also Dance doesn't quite pull off the physicality of Vetinari.
Just imagine if heaven and hell true exist (in what i belive) , and Terry Pratchett will see this scene on his judgement. "He who sits in the heavens laughs;the Lord holds them in derision." Psalm 2:4. R.I.P Terry Pratchett , thanks God for your work.
The first cast was in comparrison Jeremy Irons, and both Charles Dance and Jeremy Irons does widely different character roles - If you look into Sir Terry Pratchett's own desire he would have preferred Alan Rickman, unfortunately Alan Rickman refuses to play 'Villains' much seeing how he is often cast as them.
@AstaraelDarkrahBlack: So hear colour is more important to you than a brilliant performance that perfectly captured the character and manirism of Vetinari? o_O Besides, Terry's first choice was an actor who is now too heavy (and a criminal..) but was incidentally blond/gingerish as well.
TamaNostre Irons is equally brilliant. I also think Irons was better able to represent the physicality of the Patrician and how dark he is. Dance is great but I think Irons is slightly better suited for the role.
I liked both actors in this role, but I will say that, while Dance had more time to work with the character, Irons took his few minutes of screentime and went all the way, making his scene my favourite in the colour of magic! (also, Irons voice was so perfect)
both did a good job, but you have to count that they are playing complete different people . first books vetinari feels a lot darker. in my brain the patrician looks a little younger
You can dye gingerish hair too. Note that no one said anything about changing the actor for the hair colour's sake except the people defending the blond. EmperorofCartoons argued that the actor was wrong because of the interpretation, the hair colour is a different issue that can be fixed like theatre, opera and film always has fixed hair issues: dyes or wigs. We've had dyes and wigs for thousands of years, it's a really easy thing to fix.
I love Terry Pratchett in every single way!
Did you note that he refers to the "embuggerence" - that's the same way he called his Alzheimer's disease in his letter to the fans.
I wish him all the best - he's as intelligent as he is modest.
Sir Pterry. Still not forgotten, thus he aten't dead yet.
So much in this sentence
Indeed gov'nor.
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He is still riding the clacks
Wow... The Patrician is basically Tywin Lannister with a sense of humor
He is better :) Tywin Lannister would never plan to be locked in his own dungeon and therefor design it for maximal security and Comfort ;)
The Patrician is more intelligent and calculative.
@@andreashort310 calculating
@@AntiochosMegas Security indeed.
Tywin Lannister probably wouldn't start a post office just to undermine the power of The Grand Trunk.
I think it charmin' that they had him in a scene. Golly, what a writer
RIP Sir Terry
Brilliant guy, he's so unique and wonderful when he writes... His on screen presence is no different!!!!
Single dislike was left by Reacher Gilt. Before, you know, he _left_ .
Terry Pratchett and Tywin Lannister in one scene. My life is complete.
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Charles Dance rocks as Vetinari.
Off toppic: I've always imagined Vetinari with ash blonde hair.
Asha Greyjoy I always imagined him with black hair, but Charles Dance is pretty much perfect for the role. Dance doesn't quite exude the physical strength Vetinari has, but that was always a relatively minor part of Vetinari's character. Everything else about this representation is spot on.
@@8Rincewind I rather suspected that Vetinari was understated overall, as a character. His intellect and his wielding of it was his greatest strength, and the greater part of that left others askance, off balance.
I mostly saw him as a mixupp of the depiction of him in the books, and a small hint of Jeremy Irons, and with the tone of the audiobook reader for the series.
and i do belive he hass fully gray hear in the books, in the colour of magic i think they hadd the aperance down to a t, just with less of the lisp that Jeremy Irons used in the voice tone
I've always imagined him as like Ian Richardson - who was *very* patrician in some of his roles (the original House of Cards - first broadcast over the time of Thatcher's downfall for added humour, I remember it well, and a friend charging into our 6th form common room to announce her going)
I always imagined him as an amalgamation of the book cover art and computer game sprites but now whenever I read a Discworld novel he features in I hear his dialogue in Charles Dance's voice.
I still have to watch that movie *sigh* Goodbye, Pterry.
Not a single Thumbs Down.
Looks like everybody here believes in angels. :)
Three years later, still the same :)
6 years later still going strong without a down vote!
There is one thumb down. I shall find him.
@@cursedgeorge939 when you find them... let us know!!
@@-Pam_Guti No one's found him yet. Still, a 1000:1 ratio is pretty good.
❤️ Charles.❤️ a great actor.💎 a special man , a sweet , I love him so much !!! 😘💕😍
My Charlie..... ♥♥♥
This warms my heart.... :)
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, quote from Going Postal
Those words ring true, even to this day.
Jeremy Irons' looked closer to some of the art I've seen of Vetinari.
And Vetinari's not really a villain. He's quite cold and calculating, but what he does he does for the good of his city.
He is very much a villain.
He is a tyrant but the one the people need, not deserve
Actualy, Vetenari is what would be classified as: "the benevolent dictator" in every facet of the stereotype, he realy does care for Morpork, he is kind and helps thous he can. But most do not see that under his elaboratly crafted pokerface and demure. Vetenari is pbobably the most abrurd realist the discworld has ever seen/will see.
@@gampie13 Some of his predecessors had names like "homicidal Lord Winder", "Mad Lord Snapcase". I sometimes imagined that, after his departure, he'd be remembered as "Sane Lord Vetinari". Not "sane" as in "normal" but (as Pratchett wrote of another character) "clearly stark, staring sane".
@@ugolomb Actually Vetinari is completely knurd at all times. An uncomfortable state of existence... I think I need another glass of wine...
We need more Discworld adaptions!
I really think there's a huge opportunity for Netflix or Amazon or someone to properly fund an extensive series of Discworld adaptations. No guarantees it would actually turn out to be good, but... if they stuck to the source material and did it well, it could be brilliant.
Did you see the travesty that was the BBCs adaption of The Watch? In this day and age of talentless agenda pushing hacks posing as writers I think we should just leave it well alone.
Sir Terry Pratchett is awesome.
If it had been any other actor, I would have complained that Vetinari should have jet black hair. Charles Dance is just captures the persona so well, however!
Well, that's a bit of an embuggewwance.
oh God, how come I didn't notice him?
Yay Sir Pratchett! :]
Love u Charles!
Looks like Reacher Gilt himself managed to watch this video.
Indeed - a uniquely Pratchett-esque word! The man is a legend :)
If only pete postlethwaite was still alive to play vimes. Sir Terry Pratchett, i am indebted to you.
Oooh... Yeah, he'd have been perfect.
@AstaraelDarkrahBlack Really? I loved Charles Dance as Vetinari in the film and his blonde hair made no difference :) He played Vetinari in an amazing way and I hope he'll play him in the next movie, if there's going to be any.
I hope this, and THUD make it to the USA soon. The others so far have been spectacular.
i think its possible that Terry Pratchett mite havr had a fun time playing one of his smaller characters at the end of this film
Ok so BOTH Vetinaris were great
Nice little easter egg for fans of his books.
@Darksilver223 It was shown on ION television in November, I believe but you'll probably have to buy it now. Try Amazon or Ebay.
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I wonder why Jeremy Irons wasn't Lord Vetinari again? still good performance from Charles Dance :)
Two wonderful people gone too soon :(
As much as I love Jeremy Irons he was simply no-no as Vetinari. Charles Dance did better job.
Ivaloinen I think they're both excellent and in some ways Irons is superior. Vetinari is kind of a "good" person but he's positioned in the books and to the world as a necessary evil. He still comes across as dark and dangerous while tinging his words with a bit of humour or irony. I feel Irons can better pull off this duality, where as Dance is either threatening OR human. Though that might be the particular story he's placed in. Also Dance doesn't quite pull off the physicality of Vetinari.
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@soundofgeek Unless you're on the Disc. :P
Сharles Dance Iooks like second Anthony Hopkins,in my mind.
He have the same kind of sweet nightmare charm.
Just imagine if heaven and hell true exist (in what i belive) , and Terry Pratchett will see this scene on his judgement. "He who sits in the heavens laughs;the Lord holds them in derision." Psalm 2:4. R.I.P Terry Pratchett , thanks God for your work.
how did the mord'euvre incident go?
The first cast was in comparrison Jeremy Irons, and both Charles Dance and Jeremy Irons does widely different character roles - If you look into Sir Terry Pratchett's own desire he would have preferred Alan Rickman, unfortunately Alan Rickman refuses to play 'Villains' much seeing how he is often cast as them.
Now that you mention it, Rickman would have been almost perfect for the Vetinari that I always imagine. Oh well...
@AstaraelDarkrahBlack: So hear colour is more important to you than a brilliant performance that perfectly captured the character and manirism of Vetinari? o_O
Besides, Terry's first choice was an actor who is now too heavy (and a criminal..) but was incidentally blond/gingerish as well.
I know, I LOVED Irons as the Patrician. I think they changed him in this one, though, to avoid his being confused as the bad guy.
TamaNostre Irons is equally brilliant. I also think Irons was better able to represent the physicality of the Patrician and how dark he is. Dance is great but I think Irons is slightly better suited for the role.
I liked both actors in this role, but I will say that, while Dance had more time to work with the character, Irons took his few minutes of screentime and went all the way, making his scene my favourite in the colour of magic!
(also, Irons voice was so perfect)
Why use an artificially looking wig or dyed his hair if the actor looks exactely how the author of the story would have wanted him to look like?
Trampadoo to what were you referring?
Im not sure which Patrician i like more, Dance or Irons
both did a good job, but you have to count that they are playing complete different people . first books vetinari feels a lot darker. in my brain the patrician looks a little younger
@soundofgeek Are you me? :O
But again, Terry seems to have had an actor with gingerish hair in mind anyway.
Much preffered this Vetinari over the first one... The First one overacted alot.
If we could get the look of Irons with the acting of Dance, i think we would have a 99% version of vetenari in the books
i think the overacting is fitting, considering the first two books have a complete different tone
I think its time the angels watch "night watch" from russia, and australian briefing "farscape"
You can dye gingerish hair too. Note that no one said anything about changing the actor for the hair colour's sake except the people defending the blond. EmperorofCartoons argued that the actor was wrong because of the interpretation, the hair colour is a different issue that can be fixed like theatre, opera and film always has fixed hair issues: dyes or wigs.
We've had dyes and wigs for thousands of years, it's a really easy thing to fix.
Vetinari has blonde hair in this... I am so disappointed... At least Hogfather was okay
That is not how I imagined Mr. Pratchett to sound.
That was Pratchett? To be honest, I thought it was supposed to be a cleaned up Mr. Groat.
Pratchett would have been a better Vetinari...
- although it WOULD have meant an awful lot of acting.
(probably a lot of AWFUL acting)
Great writer - awful actor.
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