It isn’t as good with some decks that run cards like Ragnarock or meteor strike. And you are hoping to have at least two that can snowball. But adding one in from second level up if you don’t have one isn’t always the good choice. Still solid if you can get two or three. Especially if upgraded. But enemy’s with artifact will block it. And they don’t scale on strength.
Copying solely for my own use, but if this brings the list to the top for everyone else then great. 1:20:02 Final Tier List 0:50 Alpha (F Tier, $80 for A Tier 59:22) 2:17 Battle Hymn (D Tier) 3:23 Blasphemy (A Tier) 4:23 Bowling Bash (B Tier) 5:56 Brilliance (B Tier) 7:21 Carve Reality (D Tier) 8:18 Collect (A Tier) 9:48 Conclude (B Tier) 10:50 Conjure Blade (D Tier) 12:20 Consecrate (B Tier) 13:11 Crescendo (A Tier) 14:05 Crush Joints (A Tier) 15:07 Cut Through Fate (S Tier) 16:33 Deceive Reality (A Tier) 18:43 Defend (F Tier) 18:52 Deus Ex Machina (C Tier) 19:56 Deva Form (B Tier) 22:26 Devotion (C Tier) 24:24 Empty Body (B Tier) 25:13 Empty Fist (S Tier) 26:40 Empty Mind (A Tier) 27:17 Eruption (C Tier) 28:02 Establishment (A Tier) 30:27 Evaluate (C Tier) 32:21 Fasting (B Tier) 33:16 Fear No Evil (A Tier) 34:16 Flurry of Blows (S Tier) 35:14 Flying Sleeves (B Tier) 35:44 Follow-Up (A Tier) 36:39 Foreign Influence (C Tier) 37:26 Foresight (S Tier) 37:59 Halt (B Tier) 39:00 Indignation (A Tier) 39:34 Inner Peace (A Tier) 40:11 Judgement (D Tier) 41:04 Just Lucky (S Tier) 41:28 Lessons Learned (S Tier) 42:33 Like Water (C Tier) 43:18 Master Reality (F Tier) 44:45 Meditate (S Tier) 45:57 Mental Fortress (A Tier) 47:24 Nirvana (B Tier) 48:20 Omniscience (S Tier) 49:00 Perseverance (C Tier) 50:11 Pray (F Tier) 50:47 Pressure Points (F Tier, $40 for C Tier 53:48, $80 for PP Tier 56:20) 52:27 Prostrate (C Tier) 53:23 Protect (B Tier) 54:48 Ragnarok (C Tier) 57:09 Reach Heaven (C Tier) 58:43 Rushdown (S Tier) 59:35 Sanctity (B Tier) 1:00:35 Sands of Time (S Tier) 1:01:33 Sash Whip (B Tier) 1:02:24 Scrawl (S Tier) 1:03:03 Signature Move (F Tier) 1:03:45 Simmering Fury (A Tier) 1:04:14 Spirit Shield (B Tier) 1:05:21 Strike (D Tier) 1:06:03 Study (F Tier) 1:07:52 Swivel (C Tier) 1:09:03 Talk to the Hand (S Tier) 1:09:09 Tantrum (A Tier) 1:09:43 Third Eye (A Tier) 1:10:45 Tranquility (A Tier) 1:10:56 Vault (S Tier) 1:11:54 Vigilance (C Tier) 1:12:18 Wallop (B Tier) 1:12:59 Wave of the Hand (A Tier) 1:13:46 Weave (A Tier) 1:14:36 Wheel Kick (B Tier) 1:15:21 Windmill Strike (B Tier) 1:16:40 Wish (A Tier) 1:17:53 Worship (C Tier) 1:18:40 Wreath of Flame (D Tier)
I think the cards you undervalue are cause you don’t like the playstyle of how they synergize. Dues Ex Machina, Deva Form, Swivel, Ragnarok and Wheel Kick have great synergy with one another. Cause there is atleast two kinds of playstyles with the watcher, the quickly kill them before they kill you method with rapid form changes and lots of low damage cards, but these cards you undervalue are great on the watcher if you can defend enough to set up in one or two turns.(makes wish easier to pull off too)
Alpha is actually A tier, because I always draw Beta and then Omega exactly the turn after I play the previous one, and also I am averse to taking attacks and always take defense cards I think I make my case!
Hearing Frost somewhat snort in laughter nearly every time he hits the Beta Art button is so wholesome to me, the art is so funny and I always love seeing Frost's genuine enthusiasm for the game even after all this time.
Master Reality really should be a colorless card, or possibly even a universal relic. Every character has multiple cards that work with it and several other colorless cards do as well.
I will be honest, I did not know that cut through fate was a common card. For some reason my brain always thought it was a uncommon since it's such a good card that can be found relatively easily.
I really hope their will be a 5th character eventually. I love new content especially in a game where with every new character they always have some crazy complicated new combos too explore.
@@colebagin2277 Hermit is a really good and balanced character. He's also extremely unique! I like to play The Cursed sometimes, because even though he is practically a worse Ironclad, he can be fun with some (modded) curses; like Greed.
@@yasserkerbache unless they changed him since I played him ~1 year ago, hermit goes infinite extremely easily and I coasted from 1 to 20 ascension within a few days playing the same build
See also: Infernal Blade, Distraction, White Noise and Foreign Influence; and Double Tap, Burst, and Amplify (I don't think the Watcher has an analogous version of those cards unless I'm forgetting one)
@@Choccymilkshakeenjoyer it does, and it's literally in it's name. Ironclad can double attacks, silent can double skills, defect can double powers and watcher can double whatever the f she wants cuz she smort af.
honestly I've struggled w/the watcher for so long -- i took one major thing from this: SCRY SCRY SCRY.. and i'm breezing through ascension levels.. thanks! p.s. I just got 4 pressure points and the +2 hp relic when not taking cards.. i had well over 100 hp, nonstop pressure points, absolutely melted everything, haha. so fun
I think weave should be a little higher, I freaking love that card. It's super strong because if you scry it, you can discard it, then it immediately goes to your hand, so you draw it for free.
I just Frost to know that youtube and twitch are starved for STS content. Even if it's not beating the heart. Even if it's not the craziest run ever we'll watch it. Because we love you and STS. Daily uploads like NL does with the binding of isaac would be so amazing
So, watching this made me re-evaluate how i play the watcher. I just straight up couldn't figure her out for literally years, and she saty at ascension 1 while I'm at 11+ in every other class on _three different platforms_. Now, I've just come off of a five-run winning streak, just because I figured out how to actually assess her cards. You rock, man. Thanks for this great series!
Eruption at C tier is insane to me. It’s one of the reasons why Watcher is so consistently powerful. The ability to steamroll Act 1 is just so important and it’s all thanks to Eruption.
I really love seeing devotion when I already have damaru or vise versa like knowing I'll be able to go into divinity every 2-3 turns and also if I brilliance it's like icing on the cake
Great tier list! Glad to be able to accurately predict where a few would end up, but pleasantly surprised to learn a bunch more about this super unique character!
I think you’re underrating Judgement, taking it in act 1 or early act 2 wins those acts for you (though granted watcher doesn’t need much help), shutting down birds, sentries, orb, and slavers, and helps massively in every fight with multiple enemies.
@@pvewaste how many enemies in the game have block? Also, it doesn't deal 40 damage in a single draw? No, it deals like 100 lol, if you build your deck right and know how to shuffle your discard pile properly, it's the highest damage attack COMMON in the game. Also you don't even have to draw it, you can scry it away and get it back when you change stances. Also did I mention it blocks for 60 in the meantime since talk to the hand exists? All in all, a stance swapping watcher with a couple flurry of blows is by far the strongest fair deck in the game.
@@szelitzkyerick7456 sure, but that's reliant on lke 5 different rare cards to work, while judgement helps more in act 1/2 in a vacuum. And in the first place, I wasn't claiming Judgement was the best card ever, just underrated.
The constant snickering about the beta art is curing my depression, man. Unlocked the watcher yesterday, after a week of finally learning to play this game (been in my backlog for years, because I thought I hated card games… I was wrong). What a cool character. Can’t wait to master this one. This video really helps! As did the defect one. Thanks, Frost, you rule!
I've been struggling with the watcher a lot more than the other 3 characters, and now I know why. For the other characters, I generally avoided flooding my deck with too many commons, focusing on building around rares and uncommons. It seems like for Watcher, you actually want to pick up mostly commons instead because they're busted.
I like Deva Form because it lets me pick up (Also, use) more Fasting even if I don't get Pellets. Otherwise, it's like a poor man's Snecko Eye (Or a Snecko Eye I can use because Snecko hates me and just makes all my cards cost 3...)
My main issue with PP is that Watcher doesn't have amazing Artifact break. It's why I would put TttH in A tier too. Since there are a number of enemies/bosses that have Artifact which takes time for Watcher to get through. Since you're basically relying on Sash Whip and Crush Joints unless you get Wave on a good block turn.
Pressure Points is the most broken Card in the game by far. If you survive the early game and get 2-3 PP's you just have to remove as much cards as possible and cycle through them infinitely. I often die or abandon in act 1 with PP, but its the combo that easily carried me to beat the heart at a20 for the first time.
I love Battle Hymn. A better strike guaranteed every turn so I can focus a little more on defence cards and stock-piling for divinity or wrath. It also pairs fantastically with establishment, churning out 0 mana deal 12s on a 1 turn delay
Yeah, ranking it so low confused me. A single card, and now for the rest of combat, you have access to high damage 1 energy cards with no draw. For every round you spend not doing a lot of damage because you need to block, this one power is stockpiling damage for when you FINALLY draw your wrath card. It's like one of the easiest cards to build around because it means you have less need to take damage cards and can focus on other cards. If you're making a divinity build, most builds are gonna be seeing at least 3 Smites before you finally change stances and nuke the fight.
If you play it and then play the smite next turn, that’s 2 cards 1 mana each for 12 damage total (over 2 turns). You can play 2 strikes as well. A lot of combats end in like 2-4 turns and you aren’t guaranteed to draw it turn 1 unless upgraded so it’s just meh
I'm only 10 minutes into the video but i already want to say: isn't it EXTREMELY sad how most watcher rares are kinda shitty? like now he has rated 4 rares and they are in B, C, E and F tier.... that's sooo bad... and he's actually rating them right cuz those cards are just garbage
Collect is absolute garbage. It's the only X cost card that arguably becomes worse the more energy you spend on it, because it takes longer to get the full value out of it. I think it might be both the worst X cost and the worst Watcher card.
The watcher is the most fun character for me, the two most memorable runs are a Deva Form-Fasting deck, where I had two Deva forms and three fastings, which was incredible in elite and boss fights and the second run was a divinity deck where I got Mayhem+ from a shop and it was going great until I was fighting the heart and I had a Foresight running, so I discarded the last five cards in my deck, it reshuffled and Mayhem played Conclude, which lost me the run.
I'll have to wait an hour or so to watch but I will 100% leave a comment already because I have been waiting for the day this was uploaded so I can rewatch it a dozen times to cause the neural transmitters in my brain to overclock and fizzle out.
I had a run with 2 omniscience and an upgraded alpha. Turn 1 alpha followed by omniscience let me play 2 omegas turn 1. I had just the right relics lol
I feel the mantra generating cards are being a little undervalued here, all you need are 2 upgraded prostrates and a pray and you’re entering divinity every deck cycle, and only spending 1 mana on it. You can definitely build a deck around divinity, but I think people underestimate how easy it is to build a divinity engine into other deck types with not a ton of resources committed
@@abridge2 oh I see lmao, I feel like the watcher takes the biggest brain to learn but the smallest brain to play, just force yourself to play a stance switching or scry deck a bunch and you'll learn fast, trial by fire.
Listening to you give so much insights on how the game is supposed to be played. Man I have never had used Halt nor Indignation... I just won A14 with The Wather :D
As someone who’s new to the game, my first few runs with the watcher already made me realize how busted it is. I’ve got a lot of experience with deck builders and holy shit I was getting infinites in my first few wins with the watcher because of how powerful this character is.
Honestly, conjure blade is mega goated, especially if you get it with deva form and\or master reality With watcher in general, if you stance dance or use divinity, you're generating a lot of energy and thanks to scry and things like meditate you can choose when to cash in big in making and using the expunger Master reality bumps it from a 9x damage to 15x and it becomes worthwhile even if you invest just two energy in it, or one if it's upgraded Was my trump card in my first ever heart kill!
I once made a build that I called ‘Your wish is yours to keep’. I think it started with Wish off losing all your gold and then I got Omniscience, upgraded both and managed to get another copy of both so omni into omni into wish and wish so I could do stuff like 24 strength.
Watcher has plenty of ways to get into Wrath (Crecendo, Tantrum and Simmering Fury) which do it easier and are cards you like to put into your deck even multiple times (Tantrum is a strong attack in of itself for example) Ironchad doesn't really have that many good ways to give Vulnerable (Uppercut, Thunderclap and Shockwave) since they're kind of clunky (Uppercut only lasts 1 turn unless upgraded, Thunderclap only lasts 1 turn and Shockwave exhausts) and not really cards you'll put multiple of into your deck unless you're memeing with Sadistic Nature and Champion Belt.
@@tarille1043 Tantrum and Simmering Fury are both uncommon. Crescendo exhausts so you can't stancedance long with it, and you're not adding multiple of them to your deck. Eruption is guaranteed and always there for you. Also, most notably, it can get rid of its 2 energy cost. Bash is always clunky to play, but Eruption+ in calm straight-up generates mana.
In defense of Conjure Blade: while it's certainly not a card that you should build a deck around, I think it can be a spectacular secondary strategy when combined with wreath of flame. Especially if you're playing a deck that plays a lot of cards, like flurry, Conjure Blade can be a card to help get your through timekeeper or heart. It's not something you rely on, it's something you set up while doing your heavy stance swap bullshit
just rolled thru it with hymn/smite & reach heaven/through violence as my dmg, many block cards w/a high amount of retained calm swapping, establishment, and mantra cards. the idea was to just use what i needed for the turn as i built up my mantra, then by the time im in divinity, my retain cards, battle hymns, etc all cost 0 and i can just plow through stuff then. woke bird was my final boss
I would put Conclude lower because I always want to be in a warth stance using that to double the damage, so it "force" you to take x2 damage on enemy turn, so you want to use this strategy only when enemy doesn't attack, which happen a real few time in this game..
Battle Hymn getting compared to Infinite Blades and thrown to D tier makes me sad lol, because it's one of my favourites. It's the one single card that supplies you with infinite amount of (almost) Empty Fist+ in terms of damage, for 1 mana. I usually take it on mid floor 1~floor 2 if I see it. Also it's the biggest source of Retain cards. Has synergies with Establishment, Master Reality, Spirit Shield, Cloak Clasp. It's almost like those things were created around Battle Hymn.
It quickly requires you to use the cards it produces or your hand will get chunky. Like a couple other retain cards and then you go into a fight that doesn’t like cards played every turn like time eater and it stink :(
@@TheFrostPrime I don't think you've ever played a proper divinity deck. Battle hymn is easily most important divinity card. Its one of the best cards to run in them because it stacks your hand up with 36 damage strike+ that you play on your divinity turn. Wallhop is another core divinity card. 36 damage for 36 block. Its core block engine card for divinity decks. If your not using battle hymn, than your probably using Raknerok or Cut through Violence which are ok cards for divinity decks, Wheelhouse doing 60 damage can work as well. The main issue with other types of attacks is that Battle hymn is 1 card and it only costs 1 card "space". If you run other attack cards, you physically have to draw them and if its not turn you gain divinity, they're kinda dead turns in which you can die. A power I think you undervalue is study+, putting insight in your deck is pretty good for divinity and Halt decks(Decks that stay in Wraith entire game). it allows shuffle through your deck. Again divinity decks are hard to make because they're like pressure point decks, you need get prostates, worship, devotion, the relic etc. but they're fun if you get right pieces. Like the water is another power I think you undervalue as Like the water is really good with Wave the hand, It gives weakness generation which is important for survival as weakness is % damage modifier to mitigating damage. I'd say Sash whip is also under-valued. A card I think is overvalued in your tier-list is Wish. Wish is garbage in every possible way. Its only use is Omnipotence+ Wish, It gives 60 gold but it wastes a turn to use it, Its dead card in your deck at end of the turn and card giving gold is bad because your paying deck space for card removal which ALSO costs gold. F-tier. Playing Wish is also expensive. 3 cost is too high, even for watcher. It also wastes upgrade slots...in which you have very few campfires given how many other cards on watcher are good upgrades(Scrawl, Vault, so on).
My biggest issue with Deus ex Machina is that you can't use a card that let's you seek through your draw pile and grab it that way like omniscient, it doesn't proc the ability.
Tbh, one of my best runs was with pressure points. I somehow managed to draw 4 of them and basically replaced all my strikes. It was utter carnage. The damage dealing potential is crazy.
I... I genuinely thought the card was 'Prostate' and never questioned it... Frost has infected me... In other non surprising news I am bad at words -Andrew
I come from ygo and more aptly, mtg... it's hard to believe that people don't find COLLECT that useful. Mana ramp is ridiculous but yes, you have to draw into cheap resource cards or have expensive, op ones. Good content. Thanks for doing the work for me 😅 ❤
Minor disagreements ... 2:16 Battle Hymn ... should be B-tier ... this power ensures you always have a strong attack in your draw, as a bonus draw 36:39 Foreign Influence ... should be B-tier ... I want as many of these upgraded as I can get, as a free random card can be really good ... unupgraded is meh 43:19 Master Reality synergy with Battle Hymn and Deceive Reality makes it C-tier ... I always want this card, but wish the upgrade was Innate, rather than 0 energy PS, anyone else ever wish Master Reality was a Silent card, rather than a Watcher card? Silent shiv deck with Master Reality would be OP as fuck
@@AvangionQ accuracy also stacks with accuracy and no silent card creates non-shivs except nightmare and distraction, one of which is horribly mediocre and the other of which master reality doesn't help at all.
I just started playing less than a week ago so inexperience might be talking, but I disagree HARD on Battle Hymn. I think the card is B+ - A tier. You get a reliable 1 energy attack that hits twice as hard as a strike, 24 damage in wrath mode, and the retain let's you hang on to them for a couple turns, setting up your calm and perhaps a vulnerable or something, so that turn 3-4 you can just nuke everything. Upgrading is alright but 2 per turn is cutting into your energy allotment and hand size limit too much imo. But I will gladly take an early battle hymn and basically remove every other attack, grab all the stance changes I can, and combo my way up to lethal in 1-3 turns even for harder fights like solo elites.
I found Deva Form as my Training wheels for Watcher, it makes it so that I can learn the combos of cards without having to worry too much if I fvcked up my energy generation with Calm for example
1:07:07 Frosty I love you but please for the love of God it's literally just two bosses that punish you for playing cards and I agree it's an important thing to consider you make it sound like they're common hallway fights shared amongst all three acts when it's just two bosses.
Top of the draw pile would be a huge buff (maybe too big tbh), same hand would arguably be a nerf. If everything went straight to your hand you'd need 6 energy to get Omega off, plus energy to block.
Man, based off this list Pressure Points seems like such a strong card! I should draft it in all my Watcher runs for sure.
Also ahould get Alpha, solid A-tier card. Pretty underrated
pressure point is essentially a snowball card, it takes a bit to get going but once it gets going it gets going
@@xyndraxyndra9645 but once it gets going, you're fecking ded
I only managed to get the Minimalist achievement because I took 2 pressure points!
It isn’t as good with some decks that run cards like Ragnarock or meteor strike. And you are hoping to have at least two that can snowball. But adding one in from second level up if you don’t have one isn’t always the good choice. Still solid if you can get two or three. Especially if upgraded. But enemy’s with artifact will block it. And they don’t scale on strength.
Copying solely for my own use, but if this brings the list to the top for everyone else then great.
1:20:02 Final Tier List
0:50 Alpha (F Tier, $80 for A Tier 59:22)
2:17 Battle Hymn (D Tier)
3:23 Blasphemy (A Tier)
4:23 Bowling Bash (B Tier)
5:56 Brilliance (B Tier)
7:21 Carve Reality (D Tier)
8:18 Collect (A Tier)
9:48 Conclude (B Tier)
10:50 Conjure Blade (D Tier)
12:20 Consecrate (B Tier)
13:11 Crescendo (A Tier)
14:05 Crush Joints (A Tier)
15:07 Cut Through Fate (S Tier)
16:33 Deceive Reality (A Tier)
18:43 Defend (F Tier)
18:52 Deus Ex Machina (C Tier)
19:56 Deva Form (B Tier)
22:26 Devotion (C Tier)
24:24 Empty Body (B Tier)
25:13 Empty Fist (S Tier)
26:40 Empty Mind (A Tier)
27:17 Eruption (C Tier)
28:02 Establishment (A Tier)
30:27 Evaluate (C Tier)
32:21 Fasting (B Tier)
33:16 Fear No Evil (A Tier)
34:16 Flurry of Blows (S Tier)
35:14 Flying Sleeves (B Tier)
35:44 Follow-Up (A Tier)
36:39 Foreign Influence (C Tier)
37:26 Foresight (S Tier)
37:59 Halt (B Tier)
39:00 Indignation (A Tier)
39:34 Inner Peace (A Tier)
40:11 Judgement (D Tier)
41:04 Just Lucky (S Tier)
41:28 Lessons Learned (S Tier)
42:33 Like Water (C Tier)
43:18 Master Reality (F Tier)
44:45 Meditate (S Tier)
45:57 Mental Fortress (A Tier)
47:24 Nirvana (B Tier)
48:20 Omniscience (S Tier)
49:00 Perseverance (C Tier)
50:11 Pray (F Tier)
50:47 Pressure Points (F Tier, $40 for C Tier 53:48, $80 for PP Tier 56:20)
52:27 Prostrate (C Tier)
53:23 Protect (B Tier)
54:48 Ragnarok (C Tier)
57:09 Reach Heaven (C Tier)
58:43 Rushdown (S Tier)
59:35 Sanctity (B Tier)
1:00:35 Sands of Time (S Tier)
1:01:33 Sash Whip (B Tier)
1:02:24 Scrawl (S Tier)
1:03:03 Signature Move (F Tier)
1:03:45 Simmering Fury (A Tier)
1:04:14 Spirit Shield (B Tier)
1:05:21 Strike (D Tier)
1:06:03 Study (F Tier)
1:07:52 Swivel (C Tier)
1:09:03 Talk to the Hand (S Tier)
1:09:09 Tantrum (A Tier)
1:09:43 Third Eye (A Tier)
1:10:45 Tranquility (A Tier)
1:10:56 Vault (S Tier)
1:11:54 Vigilance (C Tier)
1:12:18 Wallop (B Tier)
1:12:59 Wave of the Hand (A Tier)
1:13:46 Weave (A Tier)
1:14:36 Wheel Kick (B Tier)
1:15:21 Windmill Strike (B Tier)
1:16:40 Wish (A Tier)
1:17:53 Worship (C Tier)
1:18:40 Wreath of Flame (D Tier)
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All right all right. Hit me with your hot takes here. Which card did I get wrong? None of them? Correct.
I think you're wrong with all of them
I think the cards you undervalue are cause you don’t like the playstyle of how they synergize. Dues Ex Machina, Deva Form, Swivel, Ragnarok and Wheel Kick have great synergy with one another. Cause there is atleast two kinds of playstyles with the watcher, the quickly kill them before they kill you method with rapid form changes and lots of low damage cards, but these cards you undervalue are great on the watcher if you can defend enough to set up in one or two turns.(makes wish easier to pull off too)
The only thing I'd say is that you down played a bit how insight and scry go very very well together
Battle hymn good
Alpha is actually A tier, because I always draw Beta and then Omega exactly the turn after I play the previous one, and also I am averse to taking attacks and always take defense cards
I think I make my case!
"If you replace all strikes with cut through fate, I don't see how you can lose a run."
Me: hold my winrate
Hearing Frost somewhat snort in laughter nearly every time he hits the Beta Art button is so wholesome to me, the art is so funny and I always love seeing Frost's genuine enthusiasm for the game even after all this time.
Master Reality really should be a colorless card, or possibly even a universal relic. Every character has multiple cards that work with it and several other colorless cards do as well.
1:20:02 Final Tier List
0:50 Alpha (F Tier, $80 for A Tier 59:22)
2:17 Battle Hymn (D Tier)
3:23 Blasphemy (A Tier)
4:23 Bowling Bash (B Tier)
5:56 Brilliance (B Tier)
7:21 Carve Reality (D Tier)
8:18 Collect (A Tier)
9:48 Conclude (B Tier)
10:50 Conjure Blade (D Tier)
12:20 Consecrate (B Tier)
13:11 Crescendo (A Tier)
14:05 Crush Joints (A Tier)
15:07 Cut Through Fate (S Tier)
16:33 Deceive Reality (A Tier)
18:43 Defend (F Tier)
18:52 Deus Ex Machina (C Tier)
19:56 Deva Form (B Tier)
22:26 Devotion (C Tier)
24:24 Empty Body (B Tier)
25:13 Empty Fist (S Tier)
26:40 Empty Mind (A Tier)
27:17 Eruption (C Tier)
28:02 Establishment (A Tier)
30:27 Evaluate (C Tier)
32:21 Fasting (B Tier)
33:16 Fear No Evil (A Tier)
34:16 Flurry of Blows (S Tier)
35:14 Flying Sleeves (B Tier)
35:44 Follow-Up (A Tier)
36:39 Foreign Influence (C Tier)
37:26 Foresight (S Tier)
37:59 Halt (B Tier)
39:00 Indignation (A Tier)
39:34 Inner Peace (A Tier)
40:11 Judgement (D Tier)
41:04 Just Lucky (S Tier)
41:28 Lessons Learned (S Tier)
42:33 Like Water (C Tier)
43:18 Master Reality (F Tier)
44:45 Meditate (S Tier)
45:57 Mental Fortress (A Tier)
47:24 Nirvana (B Tier)
48:20 Omniscience (S Tier)
49:00 Perseverance (C Tier)
50:11 Pray (F Tier)
50:47 Pressure Points (F Tier, $40 for C Tier 53:48, $80 for PP Tier 56:20)
52:27 Prostrate (C Tier)
53:23 Protect (B Tier)
54:48 Ragnarok (C Tier)
57:09 Reach Heaven (C Tier)
58:43 Rushdown (S Tier)
59:35 Sanctity (B Tier)
1:00:35 Sands of Time (S Tier)
1:01:33 Sash Whip (B Tier)
1:02:24 Scrawl (S Tier)
1:03:03 Signature Move (F Tier)
1:03:45 Simmering Fury (A Tier)
1:04:14 Spirit Shield (B Tier)
1:05:21 Strike (D Tier)
1:06:03 Study (F Tier)
1:07:52 Swivel (C Tier)
1:09:03 Talk to the Hand (S Tier)
1:09:09 Tantrum (A Tier)
1:09:43 Third Eye (A Tier)
1:10:45 Tranquility (A Tier)
1:10:56 Vault (S Tier)
1:11:54 Vigilance (C Tier)
1:12:18 Wallop (B Tier)
1:12:59 Wave of the Hand (A Tier)
1:13:46 Weave (A Tier)
1:14:36 Wheel Kick (B Tier)
1:15:21 Windmill Strike (B Tier)
1:16:40 Wish (A Tier)
1:17:53 Worship (C Tier)
1:18:40 Wreath of Flame (D Tier)
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This needs to be at the top of the comments.
Please pin this FP.
I will be honest, I did not know that cut through fate was a common card. For some reason my brain always thought it was a uncommon since it's such a good card that can be found relatively easily.
I really hope their will be a 5th character eventually. I love new content especially in a game where with every new character they always have some crazy complicated new combos too explore.
Nope. They said they wouldn't
If you play on pc there are a plethora of modded characters to try out
@@brasil2907 I do but they are usually super over powered
@@colebagin2277 Hermit is a really good and balanced character. He's also extremely unique!
I like to play The Cursed sometimes, because even though he is practically a worse Ironclad, he can be fun with some (modded) curses; like Greed.
@@yasserkerbache unless they changed him since I played him ~1 year ago, hermit goes infinite extremely easily and I coasted from 1 to 20 ascension within a few days playing the same build
The guy who got pp moved next to prostrate is the real MVP
"Flurry of blows. This was a card, it still is a card"
Only the highest quality commentary here
How am I only now realizing that Wraith Form, Demon Form, Echo Form and Deva Form are meant to be a "series" of cards?
A "cycle" if you will
See also: Infernal Blade, Distraction, White Noise and Foreign Influence; and Double Tap, Burst, and Amplify (I don't think the Watcher has an analogous version of those cards unless I'm forgetting one)
@@elim9054 She has Omniscience. I dunno if that fits in with the rest tho.
@@Choccymilkshakeenjoyer it does, and it's literally in it's name. Ironclad can double attacks, silent can double skills, defect can double powers and watcher can double whatever the f she wants cuz she smort af.
Deva Form? More like Fasting Enabler
honestly I've struggled w/the watcher for so long -- i took one major thing from this: SCRY SCRY SCRY.. and i'm breezing through ascension levels.. thanks! p.s. I just got 4 pressure points and the +2 hp relic when not taking cards.. i had well over 100 hp, nonstop pressure points, absolutely melted everything, haha. so fun
I think weave should be a little higher, I freaking love that card. It's super strong because if you scry it, you can discard it, then it immediately goes to your hand, so you draw it for free.
That's a very nifty synergy!
I just Frost to know that youtube and twitch are starved for STS content. Even if it's not beating the heart. Even if it's not the craziest run ever we'll watch it. Because we love you and STS. Daily uploads like NL does with the binding of isaac would be so amazing
RTGame actually just played STS, so maybe we'll see a bit more content around it.
So, watching this made me re-evaluate how i play the watcher. I just straight up couldn't figure her out for literally years, and she saty at ascension 1 while I'm at 11+ in every other class on _three different platforms_.
Now, I've just come off of a five-run winning streak, just because I figured out how to actually assess her cards.
You rock, man. Thanks for this great series!
Frost should do a strike+ tier list to tell us what the best strikes with better steps are
Eruption at C tier is insane to me. It’s one of the reasons why Watcher is so consistently powerful. The ability to steamroll Act 1 is just so important and it’s all thanks to Eruption.
I really love seeing devotion when I already have damaru or vise versa like knowing I'll be able to go into divinity every 2-3 turns and also if I brilliance it's like icing on the cake
Great tier list! Glad to be able to accurately predict where a few would end up, but pleasantly surprised to learn a bunch more about this super unique character!
I think you’re underrating Judgement, taking it in act 1 or early act 2 wins those acts for you (though granted watcher doesn’t need much help), shutting down birds, sentries, orb, and slavers, and helps massively in every fight with multiple enemies.
Just take a flurry of blows instead, it's common and it scales
@@szelitzkyerick7456 sure but it doesn't deal 40dmg in a single draw and pierce shield
@@pvewaste how many enemies in the game have block? Also, it doesn't deal 40 damage in a single draw? No, it deals like 100 lol, if you build your deck right and know how to shuffle your discard pile properly, it's the highest damage attack COMMON in the game. Also you don't even have to draw it, you can scry it away and get it back when you change stances. Also did I mention it blocks for 60 in the meantime since talk to the hand exists?
All in all, a stance swapping watcher with a couple flurry of blows is by far the strongest fair deck in the game.
@@szelitzkyerick7456 sure, but that's reliant on lke 5 different rare cards to work, while judgement helps more in act 1/2 in a vacuum. And in the first place, I wasn't claiming Judgement was the best card ever, just underrated.
@@pvewaste tth uncommon, mental fortrrwss is uncommon, tantrum is uncommon.
I think if PP was a colorless card, it could be the only card with Marked and still be absolutely crazy good.
The constant snickering about the beta art is curing my depression, man. Unlocked the watcher yesterday, after a week of finally learning to play this game (been in my backlog for years, because I thought I hated card games… I was wrong). What a cool character. Can’t wait to master this one. This video really helps! As did the defect one. Thanks, Frost, you rule!
You were wrong 👌
we need to find a seeded run now with pandoras box giving you all cut through fates
I've been struggling with the watcher a lot more than the other 3 characters, and now I know why. For the other characters, I generally avoided flooding my deck with too many commons, focusing on building around rares and uncommons. It seems like for Watcher, you actually want to pick up mostly commons instead because they're busted.
Update: I got home and won my first Watcher run using a deck with 6 pressure point cards and 2 alphas lol bless this video
@@heroponriki5921 W
47:10 I think you meant overestimate, that people think they're going to change stances more than they really are so they overvalue this card
I like Deva Form because it lets me pick up (Also, use) more Fasting even if I don't get Pellets. Otherwise, it's like a poor man's Snecko Eye (Or a Snecko Eye I can use because Snecko hates me and just makes all my cards cost 3...)
Pressure Points not being an attack to get the damage from Wrath really hinders it as well.
That does make it pair well with Like Water which encourages you to sit in calm anyways
My main issue with PP is that Watcher doesn't have amazing Artifact break. It's why I would put TttH in A tier too. Since there are a number of enemies/bosses that have Artifact which takes time for Watcher to get through. Since you're basically relying on Sash Whip and Crush Joints unless you get Wave on a good block turn.
Pressure Points is the most broken Card in the game by far.
If you survive the early game and get 2-3 PP's you just have to remove as much cards as possible and cycle through them infinitely. I often die or abandon in act 1 with PP, but its the combo that easily carried me to beat the heart at a20 for the first time.
I love Battle Hymn. A better strike guaranteed every turn so I can focus a little more on defence cards and stock-piling for divinity or wrath.
It also pairs fantastically with establishment, churning out 0 mana deal 12s on a 1 turn delay
Yeah, ranking it so low confused me. A single card, and now for the rest of combat, you have access to high damage 1 energy cards with no draw. For every round you spend not doing a lot of damage because you need to block, this one power is stockpiling damage for when you FINALLY draw your wrath card.
It's like one of the easiest cards to build around because it means you have less need to take damage cards and can focus on other cards. If you're making a divinity build, most builds are gonna be seeing at least 3 Smites before you finally change stances and nuke the fight.
If you play it and then play the smite next turn, that’s 2 cards 1 mana each for 12 damage total (over 2 turns). You can play 2 strikes as well. A lot of combats end in like 2-4 turns and you aren’t guaranteed to draw it turn 1 unless upgraded so it’s just meh
I'm only 10 minutes into the video but i already want to say: isn't it EXTREMELY sad how most watcher rares are kinda shitty? like now he has rated 4 rares and they are in B, C, E and F tier.... that's sooo bad... and he's actually rating them right cuz those cards are just garbage
Oh its nice to see you doing well, remember watching when i was into league
Collect is absolute garbage. It's the only X cost card that arguably becomes worse the more energy you spend on it, because it takes longer to get the full value out of it. I think it might be both the worst X cost and the worst Watcher card.
Chill bro the video is 3 years old 😭🙏
spinning top deva form and explunger. My favorite combo. Add Blasphemy and that extra turn spell and nothing lasts past 6 turns.
i think the devs just genuenly didnt know how to play her so they made her commons better than average to make her "playable"
The watcher is the most fun character for me, the two most memorable runs are a Deva Form-Fasting deck, where I had two Deva forms and three fastings, which was incredible in elite and boss fights and the second run was a divinity deck where I got Mayhem+ from a shop and it was going great until I was fighting the heart and I had a Foresight running, so I discarded the last five cards in my deck, it reshuffled and Mayhem played Conclude, which lost me the run.
What I learned: cards that are slow in watcher are bad because watcher deals 1 mana 28 damage.
The way I see runic pyramid is that it doesn't target cards, it targets the mechanic of discarding directly.
You’re hillarious mate, while providing high a quality infor thank you so much!
There needs to be a separate "Bad but fun" tier because some cards are technically dogshit but are hilarious such as judgement
I'll have to wait an hour or so to watch but I will 100% leave a comment already because I have been waiting for the day this was uploaded so I can rewatch it a dozen times to cause the neural transmitters in my brain to overclock and fizzle out.
Always love the content. You crack me up man
Just got the best combo relics+cards thanks to your adivces! Thanks a bunch for this video!
Alpha has actually saved a lot of my watcher runs, I did have scrawl tho.
Love how different this is compared to the guy with the world record winstreak
I had a run with 2 omniscience and an upgraded alpha. Turn 1 alpha followed by omniscience let me play 2 omegas turn 1. I had just the right relics lol
I feel the mantra generating cards are being a little undervalued here, all you need are 2 upgraded prostrates and a pray and you’re entering divinity every deck cycle, and only spending 1 mana on it. You can definitely build a deck around divinity, but I think people underestimate how easy it is to build a divinity engine into other deck types with not a ton of resources committed
Is that the King of Heroes, The Watcher, using the Gate of Babylon? 10:55
Been waiting on this one, as a degenerate watcher player I am very excited
As a small brain sts player, how?
@@abridge2 its easy just take 15 pressure points and 3 judgements
@@abridge2 uh yes that is what I said
@@squintzrules7326 no you don't understand, i refuse to play the watcher because she doesnt play herself
@@abridge2 oh I see lmao, I feel like the watcher takes the biggest brain to learn but the smallest brain to play, just force yourself to play a stance switching or scry deck a bunch and you'll learn fast, trial by fire.
Listening to you give so much insights on how the game is supposed to be played. Man I have never had used Halt nor Indignation... I just won A14 with The Wather :D
The production value on these videos is so good
As someone who’s new to the game, my first few runs with the watcher already made me realize how busted it is. I’ve got a lot of experience with deck builders and holy shit I was getting infinites in my first few wins with the watcher because of how powerful this character is.
Don't have think anyone has mentioned this but I appreciated your troll-ass thumbnail.
Honestly, conjure blade is mega goated, especially if you get it with deva form and\or master reality
With watcher in general, if you stance dance or use divinity, you're generating a lot of energy and thanks to scry and things like meditate you can choose when to cash in big in making and using the expunger
Master reality bumps it from a 9x damage to 15x and it becomes worthwhile even if you invest just two energy in it, or one if it's upgraded
Was my trump card in my first ever heart kill!
I just beat the heart as watcher for the first time. Thank you Andrew and Frost
I once made a build that I called ‘Your wish is yours to keep’. I think it started with Wish off losing all your gold and then I got Omniscience, upgraded both and managed to get another copy of both so omni into omni into wish and wish so I could do stuff like 24 strength.
>puts bash, a 2-energy card that gives x1.5 damage in S
>puts eruption, a potentially 1-energy card that gives double damage in B
Name checks out
Watcher has plenty of ways to get into Wrath (Crecendo, Tantrum and Simmering Fury) which do it easier and are cards you like to put into your deck even multiple times (Tantrum is a strong attack in of itself for example)
Ironchad doesn't really have that many good ways to give Vulnerable (Uppercut, Thunderclap and Shockwave) since they're kind of clunky (Uppercut only lasts 1 turn unless upgraded, Thunderclap only lasts 1 turn and Shockwave exhausts) and not really cards you'll put multiple of into your deck unless you're memeing with Sadistic Nature and Champion Belt.
@@tarille1043 Tantrum and Simmering Fury are both uncommon. Crescendo exhausts so you can't stancedance long with it, and you're not adding multiple of them to your deck. Eruption is guaranteed and always there for you. Also, most notably, it can get rid of its 2 energy cost. Bash is always clunky to play, but Eruption+ in calm straight-up generates mana.
alpha should be in the OMEGA tier. I dont know where that tier would be ( spoiler it's above S) but it definitely needs it's own tier.
7:10 "prostate"
In defense of Conjure Blade: while it's certainly not a card that you should build a deck around, I think it can be a spectacular secondary strategy when combined with wreath of flame. Especially if you're playing a deck that plays a lot of cards, like flurry, Conjure Blade can be a card to help get your through timekeeper or heart. It's not something you rely on, it's something you set up while doing your heavy stance swap bullshit
I'm glad the graphic is back. Good job Andrew
I might be a couple years late but the watcher beta art goes hard af
I honestly thought you'd never do this
just rolled thru it with hymn/smite & reach heaven/through violence as my dmg, many block cards w/a high amount of retained calm swapping, establishment, and mantra cards. the idea was to just use what i needed for the turn as i built up my mantra, then by the time im in divinity, my retain cards, battle hymns, etc all cost 0 and i can just plow through stuff then. woke bird was my final boss
I literally just rewatched the other three tier lists this week and was wondering when/if this one would come out
The letter ‘r’ has never carried so much weight as it does on the 0 energy, mantra card that gives block.
I would put Conclude lower because I always want to be in a warth stance using that to double the damage, so it "force" you to take x2 damage on enemy turn, so you want to use this strategy only when enemy doesn't attack, which happen a real few time in this game..
ah, it is time again to drop everything i am doing and watch one hour and twenty minutes of pure POGGY CONTENT
Battle Hymn getting compared to Infinite Blades and thrown to D tier makes me sad lol, because it's one of my favourites. It's the one single card that supplies you with infinite amount of (almost) Empty Fist+ in terms of damage, for 1 mana. I usually take it on mid floor 1~floor 2 if I see it.
Also it's the biggest source of Retain cards. Has synergies with Establishment, Master Reality, Spirit Shield, Cloak Clasp. It's almost like those things were created around Battle Hymn.
It quickly requires you to use the cards it produces or your hand will get chunky. Like a couple other retain cards and then you go into a fight that doesn’t like cards played every turn like time eater and it stink :(
@@TheFrostPrime I don't think you've ever played a proper divinity deck. Battle hymn is easily most important divinity card. Its one of the best cards to run in them because it stacks your hand up with 36 damage strike+ that you play on your divinity turn. Wallhop is another core divinity card. 36 damage for 36 block. Its core block engine card for divinity decks. If your not using battle hymn, than your probably using Raknerok or Cut through Violence which are ok cards for divinity decks, Wheelhouse doing 60 damage can work as well. The main issue with other types of attacks is that Battle hymn is 1 card and it only costs 1 card "space". If you run other attack cards, you physically have to draw them and if its not turn you gain divinity, they're kinda dead turns in which you can die.
A power I think you undervalue is study+, putting insight in your deck is pretty good for divinity and Halt decks(Decks that stay in Wraith entire game). it allows shuffle through your deck. Again divinity decks are hard to make because they're like pressure point decks, you need get prostates, worship, devotion, the relic etc. but they're fun if you get right pieces. Like the water is another power I think you undervalue as Like the water is really good with Wave the hand, It gives weakness generation which is important for survival as weakness is % damage modifier to mitigating damage. I'd say Sash whip is also under-valued.
A card I think is overvalued in your tier-list is Wish. Wish is garbage in every possible way. Its only use is Omnipotence+ Wish, It gives 60 gold but it wastes a turn to use it, Its dead card in your deck at end of the turn and card giving gold is bad because your paying deck space for card removal which ALSO costs gold. F-tier. Playing Wish is also expensive. 3 cost is too high, even for watcher. It also wastes upgrade slots...in which you have very few campfires given how many other cards on watcher are good upgrades(Scrawl, Vault, so on).
@@dodang_9147 You've got way more Watcher to play , man. Divinity decks are worthless and Wish is the best card to get in a strong deck, by miles.
Ive been waiting 4.. no.. 5 thousand years for this
My biggest issue with Deus ex Machina is that you can't use a card that let's you seek through your draw pile and grab it that way like omniscient, it doesn't proc the ability.
Tbh, one of my best runs was with pressure points. I somehow managed to draw 4 of them and basically replaced all my strikes. It was utter carnage. The damage dealing potential is crazy.
I've been waiitng so long for this
His pronunciation of Prostrate as Prostate is extremely cursed.
I... I genuinely thought the card was 'Prostate' and never questioned it... Frost has infected me...
In other non surprising news I am bad at words
-Andrew
Will there be a colourless card tiee list? Super interested in that! ❤️
deceive reality and safety is the exact block as an upgraded protect, so based
If two witchers were watching two watchers, which witcher would watch which watcher?
In 1995 i saw a woman being kidnapped in an alley and did nothing about it.
@@JBJGrandson based
@Frost Prime at 36:49 I think that's suppose to be her using uppercut
Any chance for a relic tier list? Or a colorless card tier list?
Not out of the cards
watcher has god tier beta art
1:06:18 fucking kills me, 'what the fuck am i doing?' 🤣
I come from ygo and more aptly, mtg... it's hard to believe that people don't find COLLECT that useful. Mana ramp is ridiculous but yes, you have to draw into cheap resource cards or have expensive, op ones.
Good content. Thanks for doing the work for me 😅 ❤
I am always happy to draw a Reach Heaven late in my runs, because then I tab out of the game and check if there's been a KSBD update. Speaking of...
He finally did it, Watcher mains rejoice!
the long awaited content from the poggy streamer
Master Reality is good in EXACTLY one situation and that is with dead branch...which watcher doesn't even really like all that much anyways
I’ve no clue why but as soon as I say the thumbnail the phrase “Hmm actually” came to my mind
That's hilarious that anyone in chat can spend $20 to move any card up a tier.
Just discovered this guy and I like him.
1:11:20 sure, vault on defect would just be a mulligan...
Minor disagreements ... 2:16 Battle Hymn ... should be B-tier ... this power ensures you always have a strong attack in your draw, as a bonus draw
36:39 Foreign Influence ... should be B-tier ... I want as many of these upgraded as I can get, as a free random card can be really good ... unupgraded is meh
43:19 Master Reality synergy with Battle Hymn and Deceive Reality makes it C-tier ... I always want this card, but wish the upgrade was Innate, rather than 0 energy
PS, anyone else ever wish Master Reality was a Silent card, rather than a Watcher card? Silent shiv deck with Master Reality would be OP as fuck
Master reality on silent is literally half an unupgraded accuracy lmao
@@pvewaste Stacks with Accuracy, works with cards other than Shivs, but I see your point.
@@AvangionQ accuracy also stacks with accuracy and no silent card creates non-shivs except nightmare and distraction, one of which is horribly mediocre and the other of which master reality doesn't help at all.
Rushdown and Mental Fortress are S tier because those two cards in a halfway competent stance deck just win the game for you and they're not even rare
I just started playing less than a week ago so inexperience might be talking, but I disagree HARD on Battle Hymn. I think the card is B+ - A tier.
You get a reliable 1 energy attack that hits twice as hard as a strike, 24 damage in wrath mode, and the retain let's you hang on to them for a couple turns, setting up your calm and perhaps a vulnerable or something, so that turn 3-4 you can just nuke everything. Upgrading is alright but 2 per turn is cutting into your energy allotment and hand size limit too much imo. But I will gladly take an early battle hymn and basically remove every other attack, grab all the stance changes I can, and combo my way up to lethal in 1-3 turns even for harder fights like solo elites.
I found Deva Form as my Training wheels for Watcher, it makes it so that I can learn the combos of cards without having to worry too much if I fvcked up my energy generation with Calm for example
Jorbs said that "Protect" could be a rare card. WoW
I’m glad I’m not the only one that likes collect. Though eruption should be in it own tier SSS.
alpha is actually an amazing card because it is the only damage card you need to include if your block based deck
What drugs are you on
When he dunks on Alpha but i've had good times with the card
:(
1:07:07 Frosty I love you but please for the love of God it's literally just two bosses that punish you for playing cards and I agree it's an important thing to consider you make it sound like they're common hallway fights shared amongst all three acts when it's just two bosses.
wow I was w8ing for this for a long time XD
Alpha can be buffed by just adding beta and omega to your hand or to the top of your draw pile
Top of the draw pile would be a huge buff (maybe too big tbh), same hand would arguably be a nerf. If everything went straight to your hand you'd need 6 energy to get Omega off, plus energy to block.