I ranked every Watcher card in Slay The Spire

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  • @TheFearChannel
    @TheFearChannel 2 роки тому +349

    Copying solely for my own use, but if this brings the list to the top for everyone else then great.
    1:20:02 Final Tier List
    0:50 Alpha (F Tier, $80 for A Tier 59:22)
    2:17 Battle Hymn (D Tier)
    3:23 Blasphemy (A Tier)
    4:23 Bowling Bash (B Tier)
    5:56 Brilliance (B Tier)
    7:21 Carve Reality (D Tier)
    8:18 Collect (A Tier)
    9:48 Conclude (B Tier)
    10:50 Conjure Blade (D Tier)
    12:20 Consecrate (B Tier)
    13:11 Crescendo (A Tier)
    14:05 Crush Joints (A Tier)
    15:07 Cut Through Fate (S Tier)
    16:33 Deceive Reality (A Tier)
    18:43 Defend (F Tier)
    18:52 Deus Ex Machina (C Tier)
    19:56 Deva Form (B Tier)
    22:26 Devotion (C Tier)
    24:24 Empty Body (B Tier)
    25:13 Empty Fist (S Tier)
    26:40 Empty Mind (A Tier)
    27:17 Eruption (C Tier)
    28:02 Establishment (A Tier)
    30:27 Evaluate (C Tier)
    32:21 Fasting (B Tier)
    33:16 Fear No Evil (A Tier)
    34:16 Flurry of Blows (S Tier)
    35:14 Flying Sleeves (B Tier)
    35:44 Follow-Up (A Tier)
    36:39 Foreign Influence (C Tier)
    37:26 Foresight (S Tier)
    37:59 Halt (B Tier)
    39:00 Indignation (A Tier)
    39:34 Inner Peace (A Tier)
    40:11 Judgement (D Tier)
    41:04 Just Lucky (S Tier)
    41:28 Lessons Learned (S Tier)
    42:33 Like Water (C Tier)
    43:18 Master Reality (F Tier)
    44:45 Meditate (S Tier)
    45:57 Mental Fortress (A Tier)
    47:24 Nirvana (B Tier)
    48:20 Omniscience (S Tier)
    49:00 Perseverance (C Tier)
    50:11 Pray (F Tier)
    50:47 Pressure Points (F Tier, $40 for C Tier 53:48, $80 for PP Tier 56:20)
    52:27 Prostrate (C Tier)
    53:23 Protect (B Tier)
    54:48 Ragnarok (C Tier)
    57:09 Reach Heaven (C Tier)
    58:43 Rushdown (S Tier)
    59:35 Sanctity (B Tier)
    1:00:35 Sands of Time (S Tier)
    1:01:33 Sash Whip (B Tier)
    1:02:24 Scrawl (S Tier)
    1:03:03 Signature Move (F Tier)
    1:03:45 Simmering Fury (A Tier)
    1:04:14 Spirit Shield (B Tier)
    1:05:21 Strike (D Tier)
    1:06:03 Study (F Tier)
    1:07:52 Swivel (C Tier)
    1:09:03 Talk to the Hand (S Tier)
    1:09:09 Tantrum (A Tier)
    1:09:43 Third Eye (A Tier)
    1:10:45 Tranquility (A Tier)
    1:10:56 Vault (S Tier)
    1:11:54 Vigilance (C Tier)
    1:12:18 Wallop (B Tier)
    1:12:59 Wave of the Hand (A Tier)
    1:13:46 Weave (A Tier)
    1:14:36 Wheel Kick (B Tier)
    1:15:21 Windmill Strike (B Tier)
    1:16:40 Wish (A Tier)
    1:17:53 Worship (C Tier)
    1:18:40 Wreath of Flame (D Tier)

  • @miketerzakis1022
    @miketerzakis1022 3 роки тому +731

    Man, based off this list Pressure Points seems like such a strong card! I should draft it in all my Watcher runs for sure.

    • @rattled4806
      @rattled4806 2 роки тому +104

      Also ahould get Alpha, solid A-tier card. Pretty underrated

    • @xyndraxyndra9645
      @xyndraxyndra9645 2 роки тому +33

      pressure point is essentially a snowball card, it takes a bit to get going but once it gets going it gets going

    • @LucyTheBox
      @LucyTheBox 2 роки тому +87

      @@xyndraxyndra9645 but once it gets going, you're fecking ded

    • @damienamarty
      @damienamarty 2 роки тому +8

      I only managed to get the Minimalist achievement because I took 2 pressure points!

    • @danielingalls8980
      @danielingalls8980 Рік тому +2

      It isn’t as good with some decks that run cards like Ragnarock or meteor strike. And you are hoping to have at least two that can snowball. But adding one in from second level up if you don’t have one isn’t always the good choice. Still solid if you can get two or three. Especially if upgraded. But enemy’s with artifact will block it. And they don’t scale on strength.

  • @carlorenneraraujo
    @carlorenneraraujo 2 роки тому +191

    "If you replace all strikes with cut through fate, I don't see how you can lose a run."
    Me: hold my winrate

  • @elim9054
    @elim9054 2 роки тому +75

    Master Reality really should be a colorless card, or possibly even a universal relic. Every character has multiple cards that work with it and several other colorless cards do as well.

  • @TempuraFriedJoystick
    @TempuraFriedJoystick 3 роки тому +196

    Hearing Frost somewhat snort in laughter nearly every time he hits the Beta Art button is so wholesome to me, the art is so funny and I always love seeing Frost's genuine enthusiasm for the game even after all this time.

  • @willboguemusic
    @willboguemusic 2 роки тому +37

    1:20:02 Final Tier List
    0:50 Alpha (F Tier, $80 for A Tier 59:22)
    2:17 Battle Hymn (D Tier)
    3:23 Blasphemy (A Tier)
    4:23 Bowling Bash (B Tier)
    5:56 Brilliance (B Tier)
    7:21 Carve Reality (D Tier)
    8:18 Collect (A Tier)
    9:48 Conclude (B Tier)
    10:50 Conjure Blade (D Tier)
    12:20 Consecrate (B Tier)
    13:11 Crescendo (A Tier)
    14:05 Crush Joints (A Tier)
    15:07 Cut Through Fate (S Tier)
    16:33 Deceive Reality (A Tier)
    18:43 Defend (F Tier)
    18:52 Deus Ex Machina (C Tier)
    19:56 Deva Form (B Tier)
    22:26 Devotion (C Tier)
    24:24 Empty Body (B Tier)
    25:13 Empty Fist (S Tier)
    26:40 Empty Mind (A Tier)
    27:17 Eruption (C Tier)
    28:02 Establishment (A Tier)
    30:27 Evaluate (C Tier)
    32:21 Fasting (B Tier)
    33:16 Fear No Evil (A Tier)
    34:16 Flurry of Blows (S Tier)
    35:14 Flying Sleeves (B Tier)
    35:44 Follow-Up (A Tier)
    36:39 Foreign Influence (C Tier)
    37:26 Foresight (S Tier)
    37:59 Halt (B Tier)
    39:00 Indignation (A Tier)
    39:34 Inner Peace (A Tier)
    40:11 Judgement (D Tier)
    41:04 Just Lucky (S Tier)
    41:28 Lessons Learned (S Tier)
    42:33 Like Water (C Tier)
    43:18 Master Reality (F Tier)
    44:45 Meditate (S Tier)
    45:57 Mental Fortress (A Tier)
    47:24 Nirvana (B Tier)
    48:20 Omniscience (S Tier)
    49:00 Perseverance (C Tier)
    50:11 Pray (F Tier)
    50:47 Pressure Points (F Tier, $40 for C Tier 53:48, $80 for PP Tier 56:20)
    52:27 Prostrate (C Tier)
    53:23 Protect (B Tier)
    54:48 Ragnarok (C Tier)
    57:09 Reach Heaven (C Tier)
    58:43 Rushdown (S Tier)
    59:35 Sanctity (B Tier)
    1:00:35 Sands of Time (S Tier)
    1:01:33 Sash Whip (B Tier)
    1:02:24 Scrawl (S Tier)
    1:03:03 Signature Move (F Tier)
    1:03:45 Simmering Fury (A Tier)
    1:04:14 Spirit Shield (B Tier)
    1:05:21 Strike (D Tier)
    1:06:03 Study (F Tier)
    1:07:52 Swivel (C Tier)
    1:09:03 Talk to the Hand (S Tier)
    1:09:09 Tantrum (A Tier)
    1:09:43 Third Eye (A Tier)
    1:10:45 Tranquility (A Tier)
    1:10:56 Vault (S Tier)
    1:11:54 Vigilance (C Tier)
    1:12:18 Wallop (B Tier)
    1:12:59 Wave of the Hand (A Tier)
    1:13:46 Weave (A Tier)
    1:14:36 Wheel Kick (B Tier)
    1:15:21 Windmill Strike (B Tier)
    1:16:40 Wish (A Tier)
    1:17:53 Worship (C Tier)
    1:18:40 Wreath of Flame (D Tier)

  • @rngsmiles3979
    @rngsmiles3979 3 роки тому +111

    I will be honest, I did not know that cut through fate was a common card. For some reason my brain always thought it was a uncommon since it's such a good card that can be found relatively easily.

  • @TheFrostPrime
    @TheFrostPrime  3 роки тому +119

    All right all right. Hit me with your hot takes here. Which card did I get wrong? None of them? Correct.

    • @quickicnh7744
      @quickicnh7744 3 роки тому +20

      I think you're wrong with all of them

    • @samadams8533
      @samadams8533 3 роки тому +28

      I think the cards you undervalue are cause you don’t like the playstyle of how they synergize. Dues Ex Machina, Deva Form, Swivel, Ragnarok and Wheel Kick have great synergy with one another. Cause there is atleast two kinds of playstyles with the watcher, the quickly kill them before they kill you method with rapid form changes and lots of low damage cards, but these cards you undervalue are great on the watcher if you can defend enough to set up in one or two turns.(makes wish easier to pull off too)

    • @themightypancake804
      @themightypancake804 3 роки тому +8

      The only thing I'd say is that you down played a bit how insight and scry go very very well together

    • @zachtrimble5425
      @zachtrimble5425 3 роки тому +3

      Battle hymn good

    • @oliveleaf7376
      @oliveleaf7376 3 роки тому +5

      Alpha is actually A tier, because I always draw Beta and then Omega exactly the turn after I play the previous one, and also I am averse to taking attacks and always take defense cards
      I think I make my case!

  • @colebagin2277
    @colebagin2277 3 роки тому +300

    I really hope their will be a 5th character eventually. I love new content especially in a game where with every new character they always have some crazy complicated new combos too explore.

    • @Volactic
      @Volactic 3 роки тому +24

      Nope. They said they wouldn't

    • @brasil2907
      @brasil2907 3 роки тому +57

      If you play on pc there are a plethora of modded characters to try out

    • @colebagin2277
      @colebagin2277 3 роки тому +12

      @@brasil2907 I do but they are usually super over powered

    • @yasserkerbache
      @yasserkerbache 3 роки тому +40

      @@colebagin2277 Hermit is a really good and balanced character. He's also extremely unique!
      I like to play The Cursed sometimes, because even though he is practically a worse Ironclad, he can be fun with some (modded) curses; like Greed.

    • @Zvodenstein
      @Zvodenstein 3 роки тому +4

      @@yasserkerbache unless they changed him since I played him ~1 year ago, hermit goes infinite extremely easily and I coasted from 1 to 20 ascension within a few days playing the same build

  • @Stampede21
    @Stampede21 3 роки тому +50

    The guy who got pp moved next to prostrate is the real MVP

  • @namakehruk
    @namakehruk 3 роки тому +37

    Deva Form? More like Fasting Enabler

  • @carsonroach-howell6945
    @carsonroach-howell6945 3 роки тому +36

    How am I only now realizing that Wraith Form, Demon Form, Echo Form and Deva Form are meant to be a "series" of cards?

    • @hobez64
      @hobez64 3 роки тому +3

      A "cycle" if you will

    • @elim9054
      @elim9054 2 роки тому +8

      See also: Infernal Blade, Distraction, White Noise and Foreign Influence; and Double Tap, Burst, and Amplify (I don't think the Watcher has an analogous version of those cards unless I'm forgetting one)

    • @Choccymilkshakeenjoyer
      @Choccymilkshakeenjoyer 2 роки тому +4

      @@elim9054 She has Omniscience. I dunno if that fits in with the rest tho.

    • @szelitzkyerick7456
      @szelitzkyerick7456 2 роки тому +14

      @@Choccymilkshakeenjoyer it does, and it's literally in it's name. Ironclad can double attacks, silent can double skills, defect can double powers and watcher can double whatever the f she wants cuz she smort af.

  • @rarehatmd2120
    @rarehatmd2120 2 роки тому +33

    "Flurry of blows. This was a card, it still is a card"
    Only the highest quality commentary here

  • @aldrinvendt8524
    @aldrinvendt8524 2 роки тому +15

    I think weave should be a little higher, I freaking love that card. It's super strong because if you scry it, you can discard it, then it immediately goes to your hand, so you draw it for free.

    • @damienamarty
      @damienamarty 2 роки тому +1

      That's a very nifty synergy!

  • @Endless_Titan
    @Endless_Titan 6 місяців тому +9

    Eruption at C tier is insane to me. It’s one of the reasons why Watcher is so consistently powerful. The ability to steamroll Act 1 is just so important and it’s all thanks to Eruption.

  • @EzFlyers10
    @EzFlyers10 2 роки тому +9

    honestly I've struggled w/the watcher for so long -- i took one major thing from this: SCRY SCRY SCRY.. and i'm breezing through ascension levels.. thanks! p.s. I just got 4 pressure points and the +2 hp relic when not taking cards.. i had well over 100 hp, nonstop pressure points, absolutely melted everything, haha. so fun

  • @koeagle5231
    @koeagle5231 3 роки тому +8

    I really love seeing devotion when I already have damaru or vise versa like knowing I'll be able to go into divinity every 2-3 turns and also if I brilliance it's like icing on the cake

  • @mooky980
    @mooky980 3 роки тому +59

    I just Frost to know that youtube and twitch are starved for STS content. Even if it's not beating the heart. Even if it's not the craziest run ever we'll watch it. Because we love you and STS. Daily uploads like NL does with the binding of isaac would be so amazing

    • @gemhunter498
      @gemhunter498 2 роки тому

      RTGame actually just played STS, so maybe we'll see a bit more content around it.

  • @b4ux1t3-tech
    @b4ux1t3-tech 2 роки тому +4

    So, watching this made me re-evaluate how i play the watcher. I just straight up couldn't figure her out for literally years, and she saty at ascension 1 while I'm at 11+ in every other class on _three different platforms_.
    Now, I've just come off of a five-run winning streak, just because I figured out how to actually assess her cards.
    You rock, man. Thanks for this great series!

  • @Majik989
    @Majik989 3 роки тому +23

    Frost should do a strike+ tier list to tell us what the best strikes with better steps are

  • @pvewaste
    @pvewaste 3 роки тому +11

    I think you’re underrating Judgement, taking it in act 1 or early act 2 wins those acts for you (though granted watcher doesn’t need much help), shutting down birds, sentries, orb, and slavers, and helps massively in every fight with multiple enemies.

    • @szelitzkyerick7456
      @szelitzkyerick7456 2 роки тому

      Just take a flurry of blows instead, it's common and it scales

    • @pvewaste
      @pvewaste 2 роки тому +1

      @@szelitzkyerick7456 sure but it doesn't deal 40dmg in a single draw and pierce shield

    • @szelitzkyerick7456
      @szelitzkyerick7456 2 роки тому

      @@pvewaste how many enemies in the game have block? Also, it doesn't deal 40 damage in a single draw? No, it deals like 100 lol, if you build your deck right and know how to shuffle your discard pile properly, it's the highest damage attack COMMON in the game. Also you don't even have to draw it, you can scry it away and get it back when you change stances. Also did I mention it blocks for 60 in the meantime since talk to the hand exists?
      All in all, a stance swapping watcher with a couple flurry of blows is by far the strongest fair deck in the game.

    • @pvewaste
      @pvewaste 2 роки тому +3

      @@szelitzkyerick7456 sure, but that's reliant on lke 5 different rare cards to work, while judgement helps more in act 1/2 in a vacuum. And in the first place, I wasn't claiming Judgement was the best card ever, just underrated.

    • @szelitzkyerick7456
      @szelitzkyerick7456 2 роки тому

      @@pvewaste tth uncommon, mental fortrrwss is uncommon, tantrum is uncommon.

  • @vantasvalentayn
    @vantasvalentayn 3 роки тому +9

    I think if PP was a colorless card, it could be the only card with Marked and still be absolutely crazy good.

  • @remingtongagnard4442
    @remingtongagnard4442 2 роки тому +3

    Great tier list! Glad to be able to accurately predict where a few would end up, but pleasantly surprised to learn a bunch more about this super unique character!

  • @heroponriki5921
    @heroponriki5921 2 роки тому +4

    I've been struggling with the watcher a lot more than the other 3 characters, and now I know why. For the other characters, I generally avoided flooding my deck with too many commons, focusing on building around rares and uncommons. It seems like for Watcher, you actually want to pick up mostly commons instead because they're busted.

    • @heroponriki5921
      @heroponriki5921 2 роки тому +8

      Update: I got home and won my first Watcher run using a deck with 6 pressure point cards and 2 alphas lol bless this video

    • @adamyohan
      @adamyohan 2 роки тому

      @@heroponriki5921 W

  • @robbevanduppen4171
    @robbevanduppen4171 3 роки тому +12

    I'm only 10 minutes into the video but i already want to say: isn't it EXTREMELY sad how most watcher rares are kinda shitty? like now he has rated 4 rares and they are in B, C, E and F tier.... that's sooo bad... and he's actually rating them right cuz those cards are just garbage

  • @wordtomyflag
    @wordtomyflag 3 роки тому +10

    Pressure Points not being an attack to get the damage from Wrath really hinders it as well.

    • @steamtasticvagabond474
      @steamtasticvagabond474 3 роки тому +2

      That does make it pair well with Like Water which encourages you to sit in calm anyways

    • @tarille1043
      @tarille1043 3 роки тому +3

      My main issue with PP is that Watcher doesn't have amazing Artifact break. It's why I would put TttH in A tier too. Since there are a number of enemies/bosses that have Artifact which takes time for Watcher to get through. Since you're basically relying on Sash Whip and Crush Joints unless you get Wave on a good block turn.

    • @Dystopie173
      @Dystopie173 10 місяців тому

      Pressure Points is the most broken Card in the game by far.
      If you survive the early game and get 2-3 PP's you just have to remove as much cards as possible and cycle through them infinitely. I often die or abandon in act 1 with PP, but its the combo that easily carried me to beat the heart at a20 for the first time.

  • @CoenBijpost
    @CoenBijpost 2 роки тому +8

    The constant snickering about the beta art is curing my depression, man. Unlocked the watcher yesterday, after a week of finally learning to play this game (been in my backlog for years, because I thought I hated card games… I was wrong). What a cool character. Can’t wait to master this one. This video really helps! As did the defect one. Thanks, Frost, you rule!

  • @tarille1043
    @tarille1043 3 роки тому +9

    I like Deva Form because it lets me pick up (Also, use) more Fasting even if I don't get Pellets. Otherwise, it's like a poor man's Snecko Eye (Or a Snecko Eye I can use because Snecko hates me and just makes all my cards cost 3...)

  • @aaronmorris4327
    @aaronmorris4327 3 роки тому +6

    we need to find a seeded run now with pandoras box giving you all cut through fates

  • @lachlanmann4511
    @lachlanmann4511 2 роки тому +3

    I love Battle Hymn. A better strike guaranteed every turn so I can focus a little more on defence cards and stock-piling for divinity or wrath.
    It also pairs fantastically with establishment, churning out 0 mana deal 12s on a 1 turn delay

    • @AnaseSkyrider
      @AnaseSkyrider Рік тому

      Yeah, ranking it so low confused me. A single card, and now for the rest of combat, you have access to high damage 1 energy cards with no draw. For every round you spend not doing a lot of damage because you need to block, this one power is stockpiling damage for when you FINALLY draw your wrath card.
      It's like one of the easiest cards to build around because it means you have less need to take damage cards and can focus on other cards. If you're making a divinity build, most builds are gonna be seeing at least 3 Smites before you finally change stances and nuke the fight.

    • @SerialBull
      @SerialBull 9 місяців тому

      If you play it and then play the smite next turn, that’s 2 cards 1 mana each for 12 damage total (over 2 turns). You can play 2 strikes as well. A lot of combats end in like 2-4 turns and you aren’t guaranteed to draw it turn 1 unless upgraded so it’s just meh

  • @pokemonrampagemake
    @pokemonrampagemake 3 роки тому +2

    The watcher is the most fun character for me, the two most memorable runs are a Deva Form-Fasting deck, where I had two Deva forms and three fastings, which was incredible in elite and boss fights and the second run was a divinity deck where I got Mayhem+ from a shop and it was going great until I was fighting the heart and I had a Foresight running, so I discarded the last five cards in my deck, it reshuffled and Mayhem played Conclude, which lost me the run.

  • @zendakon8299
    @zendakon8299 2 роки тому +2

    spinning top deva form and explunger. My favorite combo. Add Blasphemy and that extra turn spell and nothing lasts past 6 turns.

  • @emred4653
    @emred4653 2 роки тому +3

    Oh its nice to see you doing well, remember watching when i was into league

  • @kylek7748
    @kylek7748 2 роки тому +2

    There needs to be a separate "Bad but fun" tier because some cards are technically dogshit but are hilarious such as judgement

  • @alexandersong5753
    @alexandersong5753 2 роки тому +1

    47:10 I think you meant overestimate, that people think they're going to change stances more than they really are so they overvalue this card

  • @Xeconis
    @Xeconis 3 роки тому +1

    I'll have to wait an hour or so to watch but I will 100% leave a comment already because I have been waiting for the day this was uploaded so I can rewatch it a dozen times to cause the neural transmitters in my brain to overclock and fizzle out.

  • @saske11711
    @saske11711 2 роки тому +2

    i think the devs just genuenly didnt know how to play her so they made her commons better than average to make her "playable"

  • @tinkledeath9185
    @tinkledeath9185 3 роки тому +4

    I had a run with 2 omniscience and an upgraded alpha. Turn 1 alpha followed by omniscience let me play 2 omegas turn 1. I had just the right relics lol

  • @claysmith8840
    @claysmith8840 Рік тому

    I feel the mantra generating cards are being a little undervalued here, all you need are 2 upgraded prostrates and a pray and you’re entering divinity every deck cycle, and only spending 1 mana on it. You can definitely build a deck around divinity, but I think people underestimate how easy it is to build a divinity engine into other deck types with not a ton of resources committed

  • @Mephil
    @Mephil 2 роки тому

    The way I see runic pyramid is that it doesn't target cards, it targets the mechanic of discarding directly.

  • @Jacob-nh9yv
    @Jacob-nh9yv 2 роки тому

    As someone who’s new to the game, my first few runs with the watcher already made me realize how busted it is. I’ve got a lot of experience with deck builders and holy shit I was getting infinites in my first few wins with the watcher because of how powerful this character is.

  • @thedocblock6421
    @thedocblock6421 Рік тому

    In defense of Conjure Blade: while it's certainly not a card that you should build a deck around, I think it can be a spectacular secondary strategy when combined with wreath of flame. Especially if you're playing a deck that plays a lot of cards, like flurry, Conjure Blade can be a card to help get your through timekeeper or heart. It's not something you rely on, it's something you set up while doing your heavy stance swap bullshit

  • @ethanglasgow7612
    @ethanglasgow7612 Рік тому +1

    What I learned: cards that are slow in watcher are bad because watcher deals 1 mana 28 damage.

  • @MetroGinger
    @MetroGinger 3 роки тому +3

    Any chance for a relic tier list? Or a colorless card tier list?

  • @antreaskanaris5412
    @antreaskanaris5412 3 роки тому +6

    alpha should be in the OMEGA tier. I dont know where that tier would be ( spoiler it's above S) but it definitely needs it's own tier.

  • @rainbowskin3379
    @rainbowskin3379 3 роки тому +5

    I honestly thought you'd never do this

  • @CoenBijpost
    @CoenBijpost 2 роки тому +2

    Will there be a colourless card tiee list? Super interested in that! ❤️

  • @asgerrbergkristensen7410
    @asgerrbergkristensen7410 2 роки тому +1

    Love how different this is compared to the guy with the world record winstreak

  • @tonykaze
    @tonykaze Рік тому

    Don't have think anyone has mentioned this but I appreciated your troll-ass thumbnail.

  • @unusualthoughts2658
    @unusualthoughts2658 Рік тому +1

    Honestly, conjure blade is mega goated, especially if you get it with deva form and\or master reality
    With watcher in general, if you stance dance or use divinity, you're generating a lot of energy and thanks to scry and things like meditate you can choose when to cash in big in making and using the expunger
    Master reality bumps it from a 9x damage to 15x and it becomes worthwhile even if you invest just two energy in it, or one if it's upgraded
    Was my trump card in my first ever heart kill!

  • @elim9054
    @elim9054 3 роки тому +1

    I literally just rewatched the other three tier lists this week and was wondering when/if this one would come out

  • @jano.5485
    @jano.5485 3 місяці тому

    The production value on these videos is so good

  • @exposedshadow9641
    @exposedshadow9641 Рік тому

    My biggest issue with Deus ex Machina is that you can't use a card that let's you seek through your draw pile and grab it that way like omniscient, it doesn't proc the ability.

  • @Keor-x8l
    @Keor-x8l 2 роки тому

    Listening to you give so much insights on how the game is supposed to be played. Man I have never had used Halt nor Indignation... I just won A14 with The Wather :D

  • @squintzrules7326
    @squintzrules7326 3 роки тому +14

    Been waiting on this one, as a degenerate watcher player I am very excited

    • @abridge2
      @abridge2 3 роки тому +1

      As a small brain sts player, how?

    • @dylzoe
      @dylzoe 3 роки тому +1

      @@abridge2 its easy just take 15 pressure points and 3 judgements

    • @squintzrules7326
      @squintzrules7326 3 роки тому

      @@abridge2 uh yes that is what I said

    • @abridge2
      @abridge2 3 роки тому +1

      @@squintzrules7326 no you don't understand, i refuse to play the watcher because she doesnt play herself

    • @squintzrules7326
      @squintzrules7326 3 роки тому

      @@abridge2 oh I see lmao, I feel like the watcher takes the biggest brain to learn but the smallest brain to play, just force yourself to play a stance switching or scry deck a bunch and you'll learn fast, trial by fire.

  • @justincos5501
    @justincos5501 2 роки тому

    You’re hillarious mate, while providing high a quality infor thank you so much!

  • @kraxmishere7745
    @kraxmishere7745 3 роки тому +3

    Quick question regarding the blaspemy if you have an artifact or pellets can you get rid of the die next turn or no just asking cause im not very informed on this game

    • @kraxmishere7745
      @kraxmishere7745 3 роки тому

      Also if i could add does establishment work with the 16 block card you talked about on defect or no

    • @elim9054
      @elim9054 3 роки тому +4

      The game considers blasphemy a buff so you can't counter it with artifact or pellets. The way it works is that if you have another turn after activating it you take something like 9999 damage at the start of the turn, which afaik can be negated the same as any other damage source with a buffer or intangibility.

    • @kraxmishere7745
      @kraxmishere7745 3 роки тому +2

      @@elim9054 ty for informing me

    • @RobinClower
      @RobinClower Рік тому +1

      I realize this is a year later, but I always want to point out that you need to end your turn with two intangible, because the damage is applied at the start of the next turn.

  • @karateman1988
    @karateman1988 3 роки тому +1

    I just beat the heart as watcher for the first time. Thank you Andrew and Frost

  • @ILIAL_General
    @ILIAL_General 8 місяців тому

    I once made a build that I called ‘Your wish is yours to keep’. I think it started with Wish off losing all your gold and then I got Omniscience, upgraded both and managed to get another copy of both so omni into omni into wish and wish so I could do stuff like 24 strength.

  • @liamconroy699
    @liamconroy699 8 місяців тому +1

    I might be a couple years late but the watcher beta art goes hard af

  • @G4mer_D4d
    @G4mer_D4d 10 місяців тому

    I come from ygo and more aptly, mtg... it's hard to believe that people don't find COLLECT that useful. Mana ramp is ridiculous but yes, you have to draw into cheap resource cards or have expensive, op ones.
    Good content. Thanks for doing the work for me 😅 ❤

  • @DoesntKnowHowToPlay
    @DoesntKnowHowToPlay 3 роки тому +1

    >puts bash, a 2-energy card that gives x1.5 damage in S
    >puts eruption, a potentially 1-energy card that gives double damage in B

    • @crazyhans
      @crazyhans 3 роки тому +8

      Name checks out

    • @tarille1043
      @tarille1043 3 роки тому +3

      Watcher has plenty of ways to get into Wrath (Crecendo, Tantrum and Simmering Fury) which do it easier and are cards you like to put into your deck even multiple times (Tantrum is a strong attack in of itself for example)
      Ironchad doesn't really have that many good ways to give Vulnerable (Uppercut, Thunderclap and Shockwave) since they're kind of clunky (Uppercut only lasts 1 turn unless upgraded, Thunderclap only lasts 1 turn and Shockwave exhausts) and not really cards you'll put multiple of into your deck unless you're memeing with Sadistic Nature and Champion Belt.

    • @DoesntKnowHowToPlay
      @DoesntKnowHowToPlay 3 роки тому +2

      @@tarille1043 Tantrum and Simmering Fury are both uncommon. Crescendo exhausts so you can't stancedance long with it, and you're not adding multiple of them to your deck. Eruption is guaranteed and always there for you. Also, most notably, it can get rid of its 2 energy cost. Bash is always clunky to play, but Eruption+ in calm straight-up generates mana.

  • @hopop201
    @hopop201 3 роки тому

    I'm glad the graphic is back. Good job Andrew

  • @while_coyote
    @while_coyote 2 місяці тому +1

    Alpha has actually saved a lot of my watcher runs, I did have scrawl tho.

  • @surethingbob9503
    @surethingbob9503 3 роки тому +1

    Is that the King of Heroes, The Watcher, using the Gate of Babylon? 10:55

  • @TBmax203
    @TBmax203 7 місяців тому

    I would put Conclude lower because I always want to be in a warth stance using that to double the damage, so it "force" you to take x2 damage on enemy turn, so you want to use this strategy only when enemy doesn't attack, which happen a real few time in this game..

  • @io_thellor4078
    @io_thellor4078 3 роки тому

    Ive been waiting 4.. no.. 5 thousand years for this

  • @josephdurgan7030
    @josephdurgan7030 6 місяців тому

    The letter ‘r’ has never carried so much weight as it does on the 0 energy, mantra card that gives block.

  • @theordinaryex-vampire1914
    @theordinaryex-vampire1914 3 роки тому +3

    Battle Hymn getting compared to Infinite Blades and thrown to D tier makes me sad lol, because it's one of my favourites. It's the one single card that supplies you with infinite amount of (almost) Empty Fist+ in terms of damage, for 1 mana. I usually take it on mid floor 1~floor 2 if I see it.
    Also it's the biggest source of Retain cards. Has synergies with Establishment, Master Reality, Spirit Shield, Cloak Clasp. It's almost like those things were created around Battle Hymn.

    • @TheFrostPrime
      @TheFrostPrime  3 роки тому +5

      It quickly requires you to use the cards it produces or your hand will get chunky. Like a couple other retain cards and then you go into a fight that doesn’t like cards played every turn like time eater and it stink :(

    • @dodang_9147
      @dodang_9147 2 роки тому

      @@TheFrostPrime I don't think you've ever played a proper divinity deck. Battle hymn is easily most important divinity card. Its one of the best cards to run in them because it stacks your hand up with 36 damage strike+ that you play on your divinity turn. Wallhop is another core divinity card. 36 damage for 36 block. Its core block engine card for divinity decks. If your not using battle hymn, than your probably using Raknerok or Cut through Violence which are ok cards for divinity decks, Wheelhouse doing 60 damage can work as well. The main issue with other types of attacks is that Battle hymn is 1 card and it only costs 1 card "space". If you run other attack cards, you physically have to draw them and if its not turn you gain divinity, they're kinda dead turns in which you can die.
      A power I think you undervalue is study+, putting insight in your deck is pretty good for divinity and Halt decks(Decks that stay in Wraith entire game). it allows shuffle through your deck. Again divinity decks are hard to make because they're like pressure point decks, you need get prostates, worship, devotion, the relic etc. but they're fun if you get right pieces. Like the water is another power I think you undervalue as Like the water is really good with Wave the hand, It gives weakness generation which is important for survival as weakness is % damage modifier to mitigating damage. I'd say Sash whip is also under-valued.
      A card I think is overvalued in your tier-list is Wish. Wish is garbage in every possible way. Its only use is Omnipotence+ Wish, It gives 60 gold but it wastes a turn to use it, Its dead card in your deck at end of the turn and card giving gold is bad because your paying deck space for card removal which ALSO costs gold. F-tier. Playing Wish is also expensive. 3 cost is too high, even for watcher. It also wastes upgrade slots...in which you have very few campfires given how many other cards on watcher are good upgrades(Scrawl, Vault, so on).

    • @szelitzkyerick7456
      @szelitzkyerick7456 2 роки тому

      @@dodang_9147 You've got way more Watcher to play , man. Divinity decks are worthless and Wish is the best card to get in a strong deck, by miles.

  • @Butterfliesandzebras
    @Butterfliesandzebras 2 роки тому

    Tbh, one of my best runs was with pressure points. I somehow managed to draw 4 of them and basically replaced all my strikes. It was utter carnage. The damage dealing potential is crazy.

  • @hoveringvan9961
    @hoveringvan9961 3 роки тому +1

    If two witchers were watching two watchers, which witcher would watch which watcher?

    • @JBJGrandson
      @JBJGrandson 3 роки тому

      In 1995 i saw a woman being kidnapped in an alley and did nothing about it.

    • @hoveringvan9961
      @hoveringvan9961 3 роки тому

      @@JBJGrandson based

  • @jasonmelanconjm
    @jasonmelanconjm 3 роки тому +1

    Always love the content. You crack me up man

  • @inconspicuousnoodler4322
    @inconspicuousnoodler4322 2 роки тому +1

    His pronunciation of Prostrate as Prostate is extremely cursed.

    • @TheFrostPrime
      @TheFrostPrime  2 роки тому

      I... I genuinely thought the card was 'Prostate' and never questioned it... Frost has infected me...
      In other non surprising news I am bad at words
      -Andrew

  • @giuliovinci242
    @giuliovinci242 2 роки тому

    Just got the best combo relics+cards thanks to your adivces! Thanks a bunch for this video!

  • @DNLuxray
    @DNLuxray 3 роки тому +1

    So, we're getting a Colorless tier list, right?

    • @DNLuxray
      @DNLuxray 3 роки тому

      Or even Relics

  • @donarbhak5799
    @donarbhak5799 3 роки тому

    ah, it is time again to drop everything i am doing and watch one hour and twenty minutes of pure POGGY CONTENT

  • @TheMinniman120390
    @TheMinniman120390 2 роки тому +3

    watcher has god tier beta art

  • @fuzzythoughts8020
    @fuzzythoughts8020 3 місяці тому

    I just started playing less than a week ago so inexperience might be talking, but I disagree HARD on Battle Hymn. I think the card is B+ - A tier.
    You get a reliable 1 energy attack that hits twice as hard as a strike, 24 damage in wrath mode, and the retain let's you hang on to them for a couple turns, setting up your calm and perhaps a vulnerable or something, so that turn 3-4 you can just nuke everything. Upgrading is alright but 2 per turn is cutting into your energy allotment and hand size limit too much imo. But I will gladly take an early battle hymn and basically remove every other attack, grab all the stance changes I can, and combo my way up to lethal in 1-3 turns even for harder fights like solo elites.

  • @ReidMcCorkle
    @ReidMcCorkle 2 роки тому +1

    Master Reality is good in EXACTLY one situation and that is with dead branch...which watcher doesn't even really like all that much anyways

  • @gigatonwatch
    @gigatonwatch Рік тому

    I am always happy to draw a Reach Heaven late in my runs, because then I tab out of the game and check if there's been a KSBD update. Speaking of...

  • @PoorEdward
    @PoorEdward 2 роки тому

    deceive reality and safety is the exact block as an upgraded protect, so based

  • @ClarkPotter
    @ClarkPotter Рік тому

    That's hilarious that anyone in chat can spend $20 to move any card up a tier.
    Just discovered this guy and I like him.

  • @icecrystal7965
    @icecrystal7965 3 місяці тому

    Nirvana+Just Lucky
    Enough said
    Also Weave
    Absolutely cracked, Weave+Just Lucky

  • @alphax-shroom6781
    @alphax-shroom6781 3 роки тому

    Already watched the stream but back here to pog up andrew.
    Only things I'd say is badly ranked is Carve reality, Wreath of flames and *maybe* Battle hymn.
    ~Wreath of flames
    Tantrum. Tanrtum is an A rank card that, you will want in your deck that, When upgraded, Synergises with Wreath way better than Ragnorok. Just Wreath alone, To use your own saying, is 20(5x4) damage 1 mana; 40 if in wrath and then when upgraded 32 damage(8x4) 1 mana; 64 in wrath. Thats Nuts, and very likely to happen due to Tantrum's Shuffle.
    Even if its 2 energy for that, it can be set up like stances since both Wrath and Stances retain between turns. It's not an insane combo or anything, but its one worth putting in the C for Cituational Rank.
    ~Carve and Battle Hymn
    I understand Empty fist being amazing, but your, not always gonna have it. Despite the watcher having leathal, they still are a set up character for Wrath + attacks.
    Carve reality is a small attack that lets you always have an decent Attack to use when you get into Wrath, that on its own is a great thing to have. A battle Hymn can funtion in a similar way but for Longer periods, which has positives and negatives.

    • @tarille1043
      @tarille1043 3 роки тому +1

      The issue with Wreath is it's spending 1 mana to do nothing initially. Unless you're likely to draw into (Or have in hand) Tantrum or Ragnarok and maybe Flying Sleeves which are Watchers only 3 multi-hit attacks it feels underwhelming. If it was an Ironchad card it'd be much better since he gets a plethora of multi-hit attacks and Barricade lets him stall out and wait for cards.
      Carve has the unfortunate thing of the base card is just a Strike. Why would you want to put just a Strike INTO your deck when you could just pick a card that is Strike+ already? The payoff of getting a Strike+ to hold in your hand isn't worth it when Watcher has so many good Strike+ cards.
      Battle Hymn's issue is just how it clogs up your hand which has huge anti-synergy with so many other things like good retain cards, Collect, Rushdown, Simmering Fury, Deus Ex Machina, Runic Pyramid and basically all card draw. If you have Establishment already then it's a little better because then you can just toss out some 0 mana Strike+ to empty your hand (Or alternatively instead of having these 2 mediocre cards, run 2 cards that give Watcher Lethal)

    • @alphax-shroom6781
      @alphax-shroom6781 3 роки тому

      @@tarille1043 Mostly agree, but...
      Battle hymn is exactly that, can turn into a problem.
      Carve, Being a contolled version helps. I feel the Retain of a good Strike+ is worth more than most are giving it, Early Hallway fights/elites it may not be too good, but I can be good to have for the beefier boys mid Act 2 and beyond. Benifits off alot of Set up deck types like Simmering fury, Divinity Decks (especially blasphemy wanting to ensure a kill) or establishment.
      Wreath works because of the draw and Scy control to get what you want, and like i said Tantrum is a card you almost always want and shuffles to have in draw alot. Youll already have a piece of the puzzles, Wreath just amplifies it like crazy. Plus It's a skill, its not meant to have an immediate effect, comparing that point, Swivel is more situational for a higher cost and thats in C Rank where Wrath also deserves to be.

    • @tarille1043
      @tarille1043 3 роки тому

      @@alphax-shroom6781 Swivel gives block. Wreath gives nothing.
      Swivel hitting any random 1 cost attack is basically 1 energy for 8/11 block which is Defend++
      Wreath hitting any random 1 cost attack is 1 energy for a worse Strike (As it only deals 5/8 damage instead of Strike's 6/9). That's why Wreath NEEDS to hit multi-hit attacks to be worthwhile.
      While sure, Tantrum is A tier, you don't always draw it properly and you have to consider is adding this card and then trying to play around it by scrying a bunch to line up Wreath into Tantrum really worth it? Especially when Tantrum+ already just hits like a truck and will wreck all hallway fights as is?

    • @manflutewarrior
      @manflutewarrior 2 роки тому

      @@tarille1043 don't forget (he also forgot to take note of in the video) that aoe cards such as consecrate also multiply the damage from wreath.
      (Also bowling bash is another multi attack card)

    • @tarille1043
      @tarille1043 2 роки тому

      @@manflutewarrior Though, Watcher doesn't have many AoE attacks (Literally, just Consecrate and Conclude) to get good use from it (Also, ignoring the number of fights where AoE attacks aren't relevant, like most bosses and elites)
      In the end, I still think that Wreath isn't THAT good. Since it requires drawing it on the same turn as a multi hit attack to be better than a Strike.
      99.99% of the time, you'd probably be better off with an Empty Fist in your deck than Wreath outside maybe a run where you got/picked Ragnarok from Neow so you build around it from floor 1.

  • @Night_Hawk_475
    @Night_Hawk_475 2 роки тому +1

    ._. I have never even once taken a Cut Through Fate because it always seemed very meh as a Strike+
    Today I learned, I'm just very meh at Slay the Spire.

  • @OddCanuck420
    @OddCanuck420 3 роки тому +1

    He finally did it, Watcher mains rejoice!

  • @ewanlee6337
    @ewanlee6337 Рік тому

    What would a safety version of Battle Hymm be ranked? Even if the block is decreased to 8~9 I’d find it handy to make sure I always the block I need.

  • @elim9054
    @elim9054 2 роки тому

    Rushdown and Mental Fortress are S tier because those two cards in a halfway competent stance deck just win the game for you and they're not even rare

  • @Zombie-qy3os
    @Zombie-qy3os 3 роки тому

    I’ve no clue why but as soon as I say the thumbnail the phrase “Hmm actually” came to my mind

  • @bullgodjake
    @bullgodjake 11 місяців тому

    Why hasn't Frost done a tier list for the potions yet?

  • @The_Mr._Biscuit
    @The_Mr._Biscuit Рік тому

    I really rate Judgement a *lot* higher than D-Tier. Especially on the Act 1 Boss, if I flip a Judgement, against, say, a Master Reality and Conjure Blade, it's an easy pick, and it trivializes so many Act 2/3 Hallway fights. Birds? Just Judge one. Bird + Chosen One? You mean just Chosen One. Triple Jaw Wurms/Cultists? Make it Double. Sentinel/Sentry Orb? Just flatten it. And, most importantly, Gremlin Leader or Collector? Minion Nuke for 1. I'd put it B-Tier for sheer utility for cleaning one minion or enemy from so many fights.

  • @Innercynic
    @Innercynic 2 роки тому

    First time watching your channel, great style man.
    Is Bill Burr your dad by any chance?

  • @savigy1301
    @savigy1301 3 роки тому

    the long awaited content from the poggy streamer

  • @ceribralboy4468
    @ceribralboy4468 2 роки тому

    Wreath in a signature move deck though? Is really good screenshot when an attack card does 9000 damage

  • @ThePrimith
    @ThePrimith 2 роки тому

    I'm assuming there will be a colorless tier list at some point?

  • @namakehruk
    @namakehruk 3 роки тому

    Also Through Violence is SS tier bc it references Kill Six Billion Demons. No I'm not biased why do you ask

  • @TheInfamousTonberry
    @TheInfamousTonberry 2 роки тому +2

    strongly disagree with deva form, has so much synergy with omniscience, fasting, card draw and literally any X cost card

    • @elim9054
      @elim9054 2 роки тому

      Deva form doesn't synergize with fasting so much as it mitigates its drawback to a hilariously excessive degree. Almost everything else is just stuff that you would want in any run anyway.
      Deva Form and Snecko Eye, though...

    • @SkateFallen1424
      @SkateFallen1424 2 роки тому

      it's just too slow. unless you have an energy engine of some kind in place, watcher doesn't get a ton of opportunities to play a 3 cost card without paying a price

  • @matti_xiii
    @matti_xiii 2 роки тому

    Noob question, because I didn't get much from Frost's explanation: Why is Judgement not that good? Destroying everything between 30-40 HP for 1 energy seems really useful.

    • @zigzagzoom369
      @zigzagzoom369 2 роки тому +3

      I think just because it's situational? Like, if you're against a boss that doesn't have minions it's gonna be dead in hand for most of the fight

    • @elim9054
      @elim9054 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah it's just a matter of consistency. 30 or 40 damage that ignores block and artifact for 1 energy is crazy, but if you draw judgement at the wrong time it's literally useless. It also doesn't synergize with anything that gives your attacks more damage since it's not an attack. It's an amazing card if you have Runic Pyramid though

    • @SkateFallen1424
      @SkateFallen1424 2 роки тому

      the reason most people value it pretty low is because it doesn't help you with the only thing that watcher really struggles with: killing bosses

  • @afishyfishh
    @afishyfishh 3 роки тому

    Soooooo when's the beta art tier list coming?

  • @u2damoney
    @u2damoney Рік тому

    is there a copy somewhere I can get a pdf of the list?