Sonic's Many Dark Ages
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- Опубліковано 18 бер 2024
- The Sonic The Hedgehog franchise is currently in the midst of a golden age with success on all fronts. From a movie franchise, TV Series, comic books, merchandise, and of course video games; it's been a rare and never-before-seen state of bliss for the franchise that has been on a rocky road for around 30 years. Right after his successful start in the '90s, it quickly went down the drain with a wasted half decade with bad games and an even worse TV series. Then around 10 years after the last dark period started, Sonic The Hedgehog (2006) saw release and critical ruin. This would launch Sonic into a productive although lackluster closing of the decade as well. But this wouldn't be the last the Sonic franchise would face near death. After a successful start to the 2010s, Sega would launch the Sonic Boom franchise which would go over so terribly, it would put Sonic and Sega themselves at near death. This would lead to an uncertain and unconfident closing to this decade before we entered a new renaissance. What's the worst Sonic dark age and how did we get to these places? Find out in this new video!
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What was your favorite Sonic game out of these 3 “Dark Ages”? 🤔
06 and unleashed also intead of reinessance era i call this the “Gold Age/Gold Era”
Sonic and the black knights
Black Knight: I like the story
Lost world:I like the animation
006.:I like the Team Dark story
Force: I like the story. There have a few of problem but i like it ( Knuckles and the Resistance, Infinit, Team Dark... )
Easy
Unleashed
Black kight
And colors
You mean Colors
No matter how many Dark Ages Sonic goes through, he's always going to outlive the haters.
I will never fully forgive shadow the hedgehog for locking a critical bit of character lore, the conclusion of his subplot they began in heroes... to dialogue that only happens if you fart around and waste a bunch of time in the final boss fight.
It has been almost 20 years and I only JUST found out about this. And I was around for SA2's release so you better believe I cared.
@BritBox777 Right!?! I spent weeks chipping away at every stupid mission so I could get to that stupid boss fight, and I still only learned that dialogue exist thanks to the wiki. Such bs.
What dialogue are you referring to @@tomatoisjp
@@Pacmanfan-po9rn the dialogue where eggman definitively reveals the post heroes Shadow is the original SA2 shadow, and that he was lying about Shadow being a clone throughout the rest of the game.
Because of the way it's program, that voice line is only heard in the true ending boss fight if you are still fighting 8-10 minutes in. In a boss fight that typically takes under 5.
You sound dumb💀
2014 - 2019, the Dark Meta era was so bad that we literally had to rely on Mania to carry this franchise out of the darkness
@BlueCheeseCross95 You are delusional. Or you just played only sonic forces and lost world.
eh i feel like mania hurt the franchise more than it helped
@@JeffTheBagelI’ll say this it was a little brighter but I can your point
@BlueCheeseCross95 garbage
Incredible video. Great job!
Thanks a lot man! ❤️
Dam !!
You being at sonic boom 2014 was a literal "moments before disaster" moment
The game might have been trash but the show was comedy gold.
The game was originally going to be on Xbox and playstation not the wii u but sega put it on the wii u big mistake
“The franchise has never been in a better spot. It’s never been more popular.”
I really think people who say this underestimate how meteoric Sonic was in the 90s
Incredible how Never Good The Hedgehog even achieved popularity
@@TheSultan1470 Huh?
I think the 2000s Dark Era is like a singular gaping stab wound to the 2010s Dark Era's punching a guy while he's down.
One hurts more, but the event is short-lived. One hurts less, but only cause it's gone on so long you're numb to the pain.
This is a great video, and I personally would love to see a retrospective on Sonic Boom!
sonic boom is garbage
I'm with you @SpeedSuperSonic, Sonic 06 is a great game despite the glitches it had
Sonic 06 is just really great!
Sort of off topic, but my younger brother was the first one in my family that got into Sonic and we recently discovered that the Sonic we grew up with wasn't the Sonic we grew up with. To explain, my brother played some of the Jason Griffith era Sonic games during the time that Roger Craig Smith was voicing Sonic.
They sound similar enough for us to have completely mistaken Jason for Roger, so we discovered that the Sonic for our generation wasn't the voice we were hearing. I still love Jason and Roger equally, because they both shaped what Sonic should sound like. It's just hilarious that we unknowingly grew up with a different Sonic than the mainstream Sonic at the time, while also constantly talking about how Roger Craig Smith nailed the voice of Sonic.
Probably your best video, Speed.
lets be real sonic underground is pretty damn good
6:30 We keep saying this but we have to realize the sales numbers for this game haven’t been updated since 2007. It’s the same deal for many other games in the franchise, sales usually aren’t updated 5+ years after the game came out. That being said, i’d be willing to bet one (maybe even both) of the adventure games sold more just because they were available on more platforms across different generations. Alongside the fact that, among the general public and fans, it seems like people remember the adventure games way better than they do heroes.
5:30 The Sonic undergroun slander is digusting but otherwise great video.
God your reminded me of Cobanrmani456 it’s a shame what has happened to him. He was my favorite sonic UA-camr.
Same
Honestly I hope he gets better, he updates his UA-cam every now and again, but the last I heard of him is that he’s finally getting help for his psychotic breakdowns.
Bro Cobanermani456 was my go to Sonic Game content I remember watching his channel when he did his Generations play through (for PC) and encouraged me to by the game
What happened to cobermani
what the song at 2:00?
You know, Sonic '06 sold like almost 3 million units, but I guarantee that over half of those sales ended up being returns, or Blockbuster rentals. 😅
I dont think there was 3 Sonic dark Ages instead only 1 stretch from 2011 to 2016 because Sonic 4, Sonic Lost World, and Sonic Boom were such a mess. I think that Sonic 2006 and Sonic Forces are much better games than some claim them to be. The peak era we are currently in is almost overwhelming that we are getting so much stuff at once I just hope that they focus on quality rather than trying to push out a million Sonic projects at once.
Forces and 06 were mainly hated for what they could have been but they are no where near as bad as other games like Boom or Free Riders
Free riders is good if your erase the kinect and lost world and 4 could have been much better. Lost world visual ins't that bad if you look, the problem is just the story and the glitch
@@Pan-cackes I didn’t find any glitches in LostWorld, it was the most polished 3D Sonic game in the series
@@biodock2003 True. I said that cause some people said that the game countain " glitch"
5:18
Tails Adventure is a good game. As long as you know what you are doing at least.
I also say the same for Sonic the Fighters. Except it’s always good. Especially with friends or in the competitive scene.
“Profusion Era” always fit better than the “Dark Age” because of the amount of content we were getting
I agree
What does Profusion mean?
@@traviscunningham7062 an abundance of something, like a overflowing bath tub with too much water.
I think Dark Age fits thematically. It was the age of the darkest, grittiest Sonic stories. With lots of heavy metal. So even if the Boom eta was SO much worse I still like the name.
@@BritBox777 The only Sonic games that were darker were Shadow and 06. I guess Black Knight looks grittier but the music makes it feel nostalgic not dark
I love that mean: what the hell is even that
Sonic Chronicles was so bad, it kickstarted a chain of events that shot the Archie Comics in the foot. How is that even possible?
i love the "unstoppable forever" it really shows something extremely positive about the franchise , as a sonic fan even if i didnt watch that video i know about all of this mediocre trash age stuff but the unstoppable part makes sonic diffrent, its like his awesome personality, he keeps getting up..
Shadow and Heroes were both great games...
"IGN thinks Sonic 06 is a better game than Unleashed"
"I mean they're right-"
Execution date: September 5, 2024
Documentary? Interesting. Lotta hot takes tho lol Underground is my favorite Sonic show alongside SatAM lol
I kinda wished they stuck with the gameplay style of Lost World a bir longer.
Shadow The Hedgehog was a critical failure, but a commercial success (2 million copies+).
Most of the really bad reviews actually came from the bad PS2 port. We could also say Sonic Adventure was a critical failure because DX and beyond screwed it up so much, it's basically the same effect.
@@lpfan4491 I see.
I have one good thing to say about Rise of lyric the cutscene animations are good
I want to see those animated cutscenes myself.
There's definitely a cutscene compilation on UA-cam if you're curious
For me, the eras are:
Genesis Era (1991-1994) Genesis refers to the console, but it also refers to Sonic being SEGA’s new mascot.
Missing in Action Era (1995-1997/8) No major Sonic games for the Saturn.
Dreamcast Era (1998/9-2001)
New 3rd Party Era (2001-2004)
Dark Age Era (2005-2009) The reputation of the franchise wasn’t super great.
Pseudo Renaissance Era (2010-2014) Things got better, but some games weren’t that great and Sega was taking the wrong lessons from the Dark Age era.
Boom Era (2014-2017)
Post Rise of Lyric Era (2014-2019) I believe this game, when it caused Sega to lay off many employees or whatever, it’s what caused them to have less faith in Sonic.
Brand/Post Movie Era (2020-As of the making of this comment)
sonic underground had potential and they kept reconning it
26:27 don't keep your hopes up, you never know when Sega will do something stupid with Sonic.
NOt trying to start beef here, I'm just saying.
You're not wrong
If they can look at Sonic Generations AND Sonic Mania and say "Nah, we don't want more of that" then Sega is still Sonic's greatest enemy.
Meh. I trust them a bit more this time. they've seemed to have kinda learnt their lesson.
Personally, I don't think Sonic really experienced the Dark Ages. Yes, we had some games that were considered bad during certain years, but we also had some good games on the side. Additionally, people's opinions differ, for example, some like Shadow the hedgehog and Riders
25:07
I think Sega was the one who ended the deal with Archie.
we’re still calling the mania team “a group of fans” in 2024. I get most of them actually were fans of sonic but they’re an actually professional team not a ragtag group of fan developers.
Who could have (and SHOULD have) become a Sonic Team branch. Instead Sega ditched them and they made their own Sonic clone franchise. No wonder the series lives in a near-perpetual dark age.
@@BritBox777 I don’t think they wanted to be under Sega
Idk but I think that sonic 4 (1&2) and sonic forces is great. Sonic 4 was just there for anyone who just wants a generic basic, plot (sonic stopping Eggman and saving the world) and sonic 4 episode 2 is actually great. Sonic forces' plot is fantastic on paper and I really liked it
The best season of Sonic Prime was easily Season 2.
Sonic Unleashed was a good game and the soundtrack is top tier ❤😫😫🤌🤌
Yeah Sonic fcked up so bad that Toys R Us shut down in the most recent sonic dark age
ToysRus shutdown during 2018.
I loved all of those games besides boom. Never was a "dark age" for me.
1991 - 2006 perfect game ever 🤩
2007 - 2023 i mean it’s alright 🥱
4:07 *1995
I will never forgive IGN for giving Unleashed a 4.5...
I'd argue that you have to look at sonic in 3 different lights: classic sonic, 3D sonic, and mobile sonic.
for classic sonic, the dark age was from sonic & knuckles through advance 1, then from sonic colors ds to sonic cd mobile and the rise of the whitehead game peaking at mania, and now is just casually coasting with okay games with origins and superstars.
for 3d sonic, we had 2004, when sammy bought sega, until generations. I'd say the 3D dark age started with heroes, having inconsistent quality among consoles, dividing the fanbase based on which console you played it on. sonic 06 really had this issue too, being a buggy mess. generations was the first game everyone really liked, but then we got boom and through forces that were a dark age for 3D sonic until frontiers.
and then there's mobile, which are games like runners, jump, dash, and speed battle. these are the games that follow typical mobile freemium design philosophy and are live services. I wouldn't put dream team here, as it is more of a premium game locked on a subscription service. I'd count dream team as 3D sonic.
Can't wait for the enlightenment era
I think that we'll most likely have another dark age. I would love to be wrong.
I unironically love _Sonic Boom_ (the show).❤ It honestly might be my favorite Sonic show out of all of them, just because it made me laugh so much and I have so many good memories of bonding with my brother over it.🥰
Never played the Sonic Boom games, don't want to, and honestly, I'm too scared to. Just let me have the show and love it in peace.😊
Sonic Superstars is a bad game.
My biggest problem and despite I have with the 2010s was that 😂 the story was too childish and lighthearted instead being a little serious and dark like I get there’s sonic toys and merchandise sells for kids but all we care is if the story and gameplay is good.
underground GOATEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I fvcking love Shadow Hedgehog game except the glitches
I'm telling Hard Pretzel what you said about Sonic R
Good luck 👍
(jk it ain't a big deal)
Adventures of Sonic is worse than Sonic Underground (but SATAM is supreme)
I'm halfway through season 2 of Sonic Boom, and it is awesome and hilarious! I seriously think that, unfortunately, it is a MUCH better show than Sonic Prime, which pains me to say. Also, whenever I see the Werehog, I instantly start playing the best part of Endless Possibility in my head.
Drop that smile 'cause you're beaten again
No, this is where my journey begins!
You're losing speed, you're losing your flow
But inside me's a power you'll never know!
Then let it out, it's inside you
Better all stand back 'cause I'm coming THROUGH!
Sonic forces, colors, lost world, and boom (video games) were in my opinion the worst. Every other game and show before and after that were good.
Screw that. I will die on the hill that Secret Rings has a good story 😂. One of the best. As for controls…..they’re abysmal…..but have you played Free Riders💀?
LESS GOOOOO
Didn't the dark age start with shadow to black knight? As J's reviews pointed out, back then, many potentially quality titles we're just outright dismissed at face value. See? Done my research!
Happy 15, anniversary, Sonic! You're most recent show is ending, and you have 2 crappy games; one on home consoles and is very buggy, and the other exclusively released on GBA, complete with screen crunch, poor audio, and an "anniversary mode" where all that changes is that you can now spin dash!
Seriously, though, Sonic's 15th birthday was not good. 😒
What about Sonic Riders and Sonic Rivals? Both of them were released in 2006 and they are good.
@@gustavoclares9703 ok, Sonic's 15th birthday was MOSTLY not good.
@@ryanwebb309 Yes, I agree with that.
98. SA1 came out in 1998
Please Ricardo PLEASE TALK ABOUT MARSDEN
based video
What happened to Bigredbutton after the sonic boom controversy?
Woooooo sonic
Im surprised that you think Secret rings is worse than 06
God man, 2014-2019 really hurts internally. I also gave up on the franchise during this time because I never cared for Sonic Boom, Forces felt like the biggest stab in the back after Sega tricking us into thinking the game would be just like Colors and Generations, and Team Sonic Racing was one of the most souless games I've ever played. It even felt like Sega was giving up on the franchise because there was no care being put into these projects, only doing what would make them a quick buck. Boom was meant to be this ambitious next generation Sonic game with a serious story but the whole thing had to be reworked because Sega struck a deal with Nintendo AND the Boom cartoon was aiming to be comedic so the whole story and game had to change to what Sega wanted, not the developers. The game was never even supposed to be on Wii U to begin with... Archie gave up on Sonic after over 20 years, Toy stores gave up on Sonic because the Tomy products were complete ass compared to the Jazwares figures and nobody was buying them, and Sonic was even meant to go to PC and mobile only because sales numbers weren't the same anymore... this was all just really fucking sad man
11:15 💀💀💀
FIRST! "pin for the birthday boy?"
Pin this guy
ty@unknowngoodfuture
Happy Birthday!!!
Put Lego Sonic the hedgehog on Playstation 5 on this year of 2024 or maybe the next year of 2025
I swear, is Sonic Boom always gonna be hated?
The show’s pretty good but the games are bad.
rise of Lyric is the only 3D Sonic game that won’t go through revisionist history, it’s always going to be seen as bad
The sonic boom series was not bad
Distanced from its release condition 06 looks like an ambitious idea. Boom doesn't have that merit. It will live in forever mid.
@@biodock2003not if the potential is shown though, if like the 9 sonic boom fans make like some cool sonic boom game or something just really good, then it won't be forever mid just watch... It's his 10th anniversary something's gotta spark....
There are 69 likes currently, i don't want to like to keep perfection
I’m sorry man…
90s were better for sonic but okay
Can u talk about IDW Sonic comics
Forces could’ve been a huge hit. Sonic plots usually aren’t super interesting but Eggman winning and the team fighting to take it back was dope ( SatAM vibes of course). I still don’t know what happened aside from the novice level designers.
9:59 that’s a fucking lie that’s what a lot of people actually like about the series
WELL THAT'S GOING TO END WITH AMY ROSE IN REALITY NO LONGER WILL DRAMA BE RUINING
THINGSTIME FOR AMY ROSE TO COME TO REALITY
As time goes on I have began to respect the lesser-liked games from the 1990s and 2000s. I actually think they have a lot of great ideas and are just held back by a few questionable decisions.
I decided to buy Shadow the Hedgehog again in 2021 and aside from a few cheap enemy placements and some of the levels being very long I actually really enjoyed the game. I liked the level design and seeing what type of routes I could take, and most of the tedious missions are optional anyway. Plus, I enjoyed experimenting with all the guns and seeing which ones were the best. Also it could be because I’m just familiar with the game but I felt the plot was pretty good as well. There are some plot holes but most of it just comes down to the game’s open structure. My only real complaint is that the multiplayer is a one-and-done affair.
We need Project Shadow to happen at some point. It is surprisingly solid as-is and there are so many easy changes to make that can really bring out some latent greatness.
Indeed.
I think "The Frontier Era" sounds pretty cool
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Fun fact: the "Renaissance Era" was the original name of the Meta Era. Before things changed.
The reason why 2005-2009 was the dark age was because of the dark themes that some of the games had. Like Shadow the Hedgehog with its profanity, Sonic 06 with its tone, Sonic Unleashed with Dark Gaia phase 2 alone makes that part of the dark age. I'd say none of the games are bad except for 06 and Shadow, they all just had that eery tone in that era.
I will forever curse the bad localization practices for how people still can't shut up about something that does not even exist in the original script of Shadow.
@lpfan4491 Idc about the script of the story in the game. It's more of the gameplay I'd say it's bad.
@@xrocketboix7464 Original japanese straight up does not have most of the random cursing and I am tired of hearing about it in general.
The boom area to me, is the true dark age because of how Sonic was seen and how the games were. Not only that but the only really good thing we got from the boom area was the show. Besides that Boom was just wasted potential from the beginning to end
Is bro trying to get killed by saying 06 is better than Unleashed?
I managed to play through all of 06 but a few hours of Unleashed made me give up on the franchise for 15 years so maybe he got a point?
First
Please stop talking about this same TOPIC 😭
9:48 I really hate that argument that people make. I'm a firm believer that Sonic games needs to be serious and if not we get shit like Colors and Forces.
We all know if Paramount kept movie Sonic's original design the movie would have flopped and we would be still be in the dark ages.
Dude you need to actually look into the archie sonics if you actually think they just "gave up after 24 years". 💀
Sonic 06 was never in "development hell", quite the opposite in fact.
When something is in "development hell" it's basically not given attention at all, and ignored to the point where most games in development hell never get made.
Sonic 06 was rushed and sent out incomplete because stockholders in SEGA wanted it out within a certain time window (I'm pretty sure it was for an anniversary date) despite the devs saying it wasn't going to be ready, the people who were rushing it just didn't care, they only cared about sales. Sonic 06 was a failure because of corporate greed.
And as far as Sonic Chronicles: Dark Brotherhood, that had nothing to do with Bioware being acquired by EA, though that didn't help matters. What happened there was Ken Penders 😑 after Dark Brotherhood did one of his stories better than how he pitched it to SEGA, he got pissy and sued them for copyright infringement, and that led to a very messy time in Sonic's history
But yeah, Sonic's gone through a lot, I'll agree with that 👀
Sonic Forces is a whole ass dark age itself. Atleast 06 is enjoyable. Both trash anyways.
Archie is a bad comic series
No, not all of it is bad. Ken Penders just soured it
Honestly, I really don't think Sonic 06 is as bad as people say it is.
We're so used to unfinished games in '24 it makes 06 look acceptable. Back then you couldn't release a buggy or broken product. You got burned alive.