Gold & Silver from a Secret Gold Mine - Crushing, Smelting and Refining Process

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  • @kerzwhile
    @kerzwhile Рік тому +8

    Gotta say, Jason is by far the consumate standard in gold mining channels. From the raw mining to the manufacturing of the machines through the smelting process, and then to a product Sreetips could purify. Awesome channel Jason!! It's obvious why Dan and Jeff rely on You.

  • @mickeyfilmer5551
    @mickeyfilmer5551 Рік тому +16

    To stop your crucible from sticking to the brick in the furnace, place a small square (about the size of the base the crucible) of corugated cardboard under the crucible. |this will turn to charcoal, and form a barrier that prevents the crucible from sticking.

  • @vadenk4433
    @vadenk4433 Рік тому +9

    Seeing gold run in the galena is neat. Usually it’s high grade silver that runs in galena in NE Washington. I’ve seen assays that ran over 1000 ounces a ton (silver) on galena

  • @fredygump5578
    @fredygump5578 Рік тому +17

    Thanks for sharing. I'm not a miner, but the adventure is real! It's fun to follow along.

    • @nunyabisnass1141
      @nunyabisnass1141 Рік тому

      I am not a:
      Miner
      Hoof trimmer
      Chemist
      Rust game player
      Astro physicist
      Stock trader
      But i like watching all of those.

  • @rom65536
    @rom65536 Рік тому +7

    I mentioned Brent at Cerro Gordo, and you went and did a collaboration with him. Then I mentioned Dan Hurd, and you were off to Canada.
    Now - considering what you are embarking on, I want to mention Sreetips. If you are breaking out the chemistry set and the nitric acid, you need to talk to Sreetips.

    • @steingat
      @steingat Рік тому

      Agreed!

    • @newmexicogold2234
      @newmexicogold2234 Рік тому

      Yeah sreetips is the
      Definitely one of the gurus of the

    • @newmexicogold2234
      @newmexicogold2234 Рік тому

      Is that street sweeps is one of the gurus of the precious metals refining for jewelry and electronics and stuff He's he's very smart and knowledgeable I also want to try to get him on the show maybe a show and an adventure it's going to be the quest for the eight noble medals and I've got a bunch of ideas and I got my show so check a little take a look and see what kind of just messing around on the side side show jobs because refining recovery of precious metals gets those very boring moments that's when we fill it in with all the sideshow stuff but I want to do this signal that like an adventure thing in mind I'll keep in touch I'll keep you in the loop you need to let me know if you're interested and yeah like I said we could actually get a good little collaboration of us like-minded and talented people put our minds together and we have us one hell of a team anyways later talk to street tips I'll be talking to him too maybe we can collaborate later

  • @johannesthe5th154
    @johannesthe5th154 Рік тому +11

    I will stay tuned for the next refining video for sure 👍
    Word of advice before starting devolving the buttons in nitric acid.
    Get yourself a gold karat test kit. You will need to get the gold content to around 25% or lower by adding either copper or silver to the material. Otherwise the gold will protect the silver from going into solution.
    There are a lot of information about this around the Internet, and it’s a fairly simple refining trick.
    Search for “assaying gold/silver with inquartation”

    • @punkinhaidmartin
      @punkinhaidmartin Рік тому

      I think I've heard h talk about "inquartation" (?) before.

    • @briancasey3421
      @briancasey3421 Рік тому +1

      sreetips has lots of info about this

  • @fit_pharmd4830
    @fit_pharmd4830 Рік тому +4

    Love the series! The work with Dan Hurd was a special treat!

    • @Fatamus
      @Fatamus Рік тому +3

      Dan makes such light and fun videos, 🙄 Jason on the other hand make more fun and light videos. I think 🤔they work well together. But that's just me 🤣😂🤣

    • @patricknoveski6409
      @patricknoveski6409 Рік тому +1

      You are right. Feather and wedges!

  • @Rockymountainprospector
    @Rockymountainprospector Рік тому +13

    That's crazy I was thinking it was going to be way richer but still impressive thanks Jason for the update can't wait to see the helicopter ore processed as always its been a pleasure learning from you thank you sir Happy holidays to you and yours

  • @jimwednt1229
    @jimwednt1229 Рік тому +7

    It's about time ! Yahoo 😂😂 I've been waiting for this one 👏👏🤞
    Hope you get outstanding gold recovery!
    Thank you !

  • @elbybrook9466
    @elbybrook9466 Рік тому +8

    This would be the perfect video to do a collab with Street tips.

  • @patchvonbraun
    @patchvonbraun Рік тому +4

    I've been watching "Flour Gold Wizards" lately as well. The HUGE difference between the yields around Lake Superior and West Coast is striking. For beach gold along Lake Superior, a 0.3g day is a "huge" day.

  • @rockman531
    @rockman531 Рік тому +2

    Hi Jason, AWESOME!! Dynamite video! Very exciting to see the gold line go across the shaker table. It will be very interesting to see what the #2 concentrates button produces in gold/silver. Also looking forward to the assay results from the #4 waste. How many gold specimens did you not crush & refine? Stay safe!! Thank You for another fantastic video. Jim

  • @bilrand
    @bilrand Рік тому +6

    Love your videos, thank you. I am surprised about 1 item, your guessing of the gold silver content in your buttons. For the amount of work you do refining gold/silver wouldn't be worth buying a gold and silver testing and detection scanner so you know the exact content of the gold/silver in each button? I know they are expensive but how about a used one for sale. These analyzers can even be used checking the gold/silver ore content in the mine vein.

    • @RJ-zm3tr
      @RJ-zm3tr Рік тому

      I'd love to see that. But understandable being that a decent unit cost upwards of $4 - $25k

  • @Uriel_222
    @Uriel_222 Рік тому +3

    Enjoyed it thoroughly Jason . Can’t wait to see the outcome of the actual gold content. Thanks for taking us along 👍

  • @williamv780
    @williamv780 Рік тому +4

    You read my mind when u said at the end that you are going to part the silver and base metals away with chemical reactions!! You will get some really nice looking gold for sure after u do, can’t wait to see the results!!

  • @RJ-zm3tr
    @RJ-zm3tr Рік тому +11

    Love, love, & love the smelting/result videos!!

  • @ericm8811
    @ericm8811 Рік тому +2

    Hey mbmmllc! Maybe use a selfie stick or similar expansion rod horizontally between the walls and clamp the camera to it so you can record more of the ore extraction process and have both hands free to work! Greetings from Vancouver British Columbia Canada! Ride ride ride!

  • @victorbryant2791
    @victorbryant2791 Рік тому +8

    Watching the pour cool down and seeing that surface of the sun is one of my favorite parts of your videos Jason. Great content keep up the good work and stay safe!

  • @marcussteers4629
    @marcussteers4629 Рік тому +3

    Hard day in the office Jason. Looking forward to the refinement video.

  • @sergiovaca2162
    @sergiovaca2162 Рік тому +13

    Thanks for all your effort and dedication!
    This is one of your best videos ever, mainly because we can learn what to do when things turn south, thanks for not cutting off the mistakes and letting us learn from your experiences.

  • @danielcoulthardjr6608
    @danielcoulthardjr6608 Рік тому +4

    This is so frickin cool. I'm a geologist, and I wish I could get goin on something like this.

  • @Landogarner83
    @Landogarner83 Рік тому +4

    Hey Jason
    Have you ever tried to oxydize the lead without cornflaking it first?
    As lead has a slightly lower melting point than Potassium nitrate i suspect that most or nearly all of the reaction happens with the lead already molten anyway.
    So that additional step of cornflaking the lead could be avoidable.

  • @TravelingThrifter
    @TravelingThrifter Рік тому +2

    That was a cool video!! I am a long time watcher, and this was up there as being my favorite video series because of all the steps you will have to take to complete the processes.

  • @orixxboy
    @orixxboy Рік тому +2

    Well Jason one thing is for sure! And that your precious metal is unique unto you. I hope you enjoy purification of the gold out process? Love and luck from Ireland 🇮🇪 ❤️

  • @dennisshoemaker2789
    @dennisshoemaker2789 Рік тому +4

    Thanks for taking us along with you on this adventure! Really interesting.

  • @michaelpass2176
    @michaelpass2176 Рік тому +3

    Thank you Jason, these videos are great!

  • @dewardtaylor4192
    @dewardtaylor4192 Рік тому +4

    Great video looking forward to seeing you use the nitric acid. Thanks for taking your time to share this

  • @StirlingLighthouse
    @StirlingLighthouse Рік тому +3

    Exciting stuff Jason!
    Part 2! Excellent!
    Let’s GO!

  • @KarensCookieJarCollection
    @KarensCookieJarCollection Рік тому +2

    Finally an answer to my question if the gold and silver can be separated. I can't wait until that video comes out. Please be as detailed as possible. Did you smelt the pan of #4 tailings?

  • @mickeyfilmer5551
    @mickeyfilmer5551 Рік тому +3

    So about $5k worth of gold - what a nice payday -even though a lot of hard work , I've learned so much in just this one video. Excellent !

  • @officialrubix63940
    @officialrubix63940 Рік тому +1

    I'm a teenager, and I'm absolutely fascinated with mining and minerals.
    What advice would you give to someone like me to get into the mining industry?

  • @mikeparadise5024
    @mikeparadise5024 Рік тому +6

    Thank you Jason love the videos keep them up wish I could join the hunt for gold it is alot of hard work keeping the dream alive and kicking

  • @KingParzival
    @KingParzival Рік тому +3

    Just found your channel, and I gotta say this is AWESOME. I love your format and the way you present your mining and then refinement processes. LOVE your channel, keep doing you!

  • @DavidC_AZ
    @DavidC_AZ Рік тому +7

    To separate the Au and Ag from the buttons you'll need to inquart with some more Ag to bring the Au concentration to around 25% or less. Too much Au will prevent the HNO3 from getting to all the Ag. An excellent book that some refiners consider as the bible on this subject is "Refining Precious Metal Wastes" by CM Hoke.

    • @mericksonj
      @mericksonj Рік тому +4

      UA-camr sreetips has a great channel where he does this regularly. Each video (especially his lastest ones) is a great tutorial on his process.

    • @ziegemitfahrer5277
      @ziegemitfahrer5277 Рік тому +3

      @@mericksonj Jason and sreetips are my gods.

  • @joshuajackson6442
    @joshuajackson6442 Рік тому +2

    Thank you, enjoyed very much. Excited for the next part of the journey.

  • @jonsdigs1
    @jonsdigs1 Рік тому +1

    I get it about parting, nasty acids, vacuum filtering, at least you can popcorn quench to avoid rolling, but the gold you get is so buttery yellow!

  • @benlipman
    @benlipman Рік тому +2

    Maybe build a hoist? A tripod frame that sits over the vertical shaft opening with a winch. You could climb the ladder then winch the bags up. Unless you like the exercise I guess!

  • @pikepoke
    @pikepoke Рік тому +2

    as you mention - seems like 70% 30 mesh and 50% 50 mesh isn't small enough to collect all the smaller gold. also appears that there are some larger quartz chunks passing thru as well. what would it take to get it down to sub 100 mesh? dreamy vein for sure. great stuff, thanks for the share, enjoy your challenges as well as successes!

  • @Wrathwithin18
    @Wrathwithin18 Рік тому +5

    Hey Jason, you could do a collab with Sreetips to refine your gold! He's great at it.
    Always cool to see the trial and tribulations of smelting the concentrates!
    Looking forward to the refining video!

    • @biffedya
      @biffedya Рік тому +1

      I was going to suggest sreetips too

    • @mixmasta
      @mixmasta Рік тому

      I agree with the @sreetips idea. I guess a lot of us are subscribed to both of you guys.

  • @davidnash8586
    @davidnash8586 Рік тому

    Blimey, that WAS a lot of work! I watched every second and enjoyed it immensely !

  • @SKILLED521
    @SKILLED521 Рік тому +1

    I'm glad your equipment is selling briskly. You seem like a great guy and the channel's a treat. Kudos, sir.

    • @Fatamus
      @Fatamus Рік тому

      I want a turnkey setup . 🤣😂🤣 don't I wish.🤫

    • @SKILLED521
      @SKILLED521 Рік тому +1

      @@Fatamus : Pretty elegant system. Fun to watch!

    • @Fatamus
      @Fatamus Рік тому +1

      @@SKILLED521 i know very nice system.

  • @thankor
    @thankor Рік тому

    Dude after seeing that bat, that would be the end of my prospecting for the day!
    I want to point out how good of shape your in Jason, walking that material up and down that ladder

  • @gub0ne182
    @gub0ne182 Рік тому

    I just realized I've been watching your videos for some time as they were recommended but I was not subscribed. I fixed that. Thank you for these really cool videos. It is something I don't ever see myself doing, but I do enjoy watching.

  • @AJShiningThreads
    @AJShiningThreads Рік тому

    I love that you show the whole process in one video.

  • @rastaralph7154
    @rastaralph7154 Рік тому +1

    Areet. looking forward to the follow up video to this. Really wanted to know like you the results on this one. 💚💛❤️👍 Ps I shared your sketchy gold mine video on my community page 👌

  • @christopherleubner6633
    @christopherleubner6633 Рік тому +1

    You can use an electromagnetic separator to separate the Galina from the gold. To do so, have the powder run past the magnet on a thin stream on a conveyer. The gold and silver will get kicked away while the rest goes straight through. Magnitite, if present, will stick to the magnet. Old microwave transformed with the primary attached, but the secondary hacked off so it makes an E core works well. Hook 3 in series for 120VAC.

  • @darrellbroomhall7020
    @darrellbroomhall7020 Рік тому

    Been looking at your edu vlogs for years. So glad to see you building subscription count. Thanks yo.

  • @gillesbrugnon5837
    @gillesbrugnon5837 Рік тому +2

    Merci cher Monsieur j'adore votre travail qui est très très professionnel ouï très inprecionan . merci beaucoup et à bientôt 👍

  • @Shaggydude2
    @Shaggydude2 Рік тому

    Your channel has really improved, I've been enjoying catching up. Someone needs an oiling can. You really have that table tuned good.

  • @mikemarriam
    @mikemarriam Рік тому +2

    Love to see a colab between mbmm and sreetips.

  • @stevendunham9702
    @stevendunham9702 Рік тому

    You really need to make a Christmas/Holiday fireside video of the close up of the boiling "surface of the sun" as everything cools. I could watch that for hours. Combine all of your footage so it is constantly changing. Maybe even have it as a screensaver.

  • @silvaorgold
    @silvaorgold Рік тому +3

    Man this has been a fun Journey watching you start and now finally crushing and recovering gold that stuff looks insane I've always wondered why when you guys do that corn flaking why you never poured over ice is there a reason or is it just you don't have any ice available I would think it would make smaller Corn Flakes but I can't wait for the one where you part with nitrate should be good times thanks for the great videos Man you always make my day

  • @user-lb8do4ew6k
    @user-lb8do4ew6k Рік тому +1

    Woo hoo! All that hard work is paying off. Congrats

  • @bobcansee
    @bobcansee Рік тому +2

    Nice job Jason. I wanna see the nitric!

  • @goldieirish9958
    @goldieirish9958 Рік тому

    Wow! What a perfect separation system in this shaker table! You would have a hard time getting it any other way. Lots of very fine beautiful gold! What Country are you in?

  • @Rob337_aka_CancelProof
    @Rob337_aka_CancelProof Рік тому +1

    You mentioned copper staining was the blue wonder if you could elaborate a little more on what the different colors indicate because that area working in there seems to have quite a variety of colors that I'm not able to correlate with minerals and even if it's not helpful in practice my curiosity gets the best of me sometimes

  • @j_freeman3230
    @j_freeman3230 Рік тому +1

    That was great to see. I implore you to work with sreetips on some project in the future

  • @cyrusgrissom646
    @cyrusgrissom646 Рік тому +1

    Looks like fun would love to join you next time not afraid of some hard work for that shiny

  • @patrickc.allenlive4373
    @patrickc.allenlive4373 Рік тому +1

    Wow! Great adventure show. I loved the mine quest.

  • @bacongrz
    @bacongrz Рік тому +2

    Amazing work Jason. Can’t get enough of your channel 👍🏻

  • @Fatamus
    @Fatamus Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video. So you can separate the silver from the gold and salvage them both. 😁👍 thanks for the info👍👍

  • @arte9855
    @arte9855 Рік тому

    Jason, see if you can find someone with an XRF gun to get you a readout of the pucks as a baseline?
    Then when you break them down further you can have some expectations on results.

  • @EverydayDiy
    @EverydayDiy Рік тому

    i could watch that shaker table all day

  • @Rorschach1024
    @Rorschach1024 Рік тому +7

    Have you ever considered trying to do acid separation on your tailings to see if there's anything still attached to quartz that might be recoverable?

    • @christurbeville7230
      @christurbeville7230 Рік тому +1

      checkout sreetips channel he does all sorts of acid refining

    • @HansFormerlyTraffer
      @HansFormerlyTraffer Рік тому +1

      Jason is trying to develop ways of eliminating as much of the hazardous refining as possible...hence the shaker table refinements.

    • @nunyabisnass1141
      @nunyabisnass1141 Рік тому

      @@HansFormerlyTraffer acids aremt that bad to work with, but i wpuld stay away from the cyanide solvent process.

    • @christurbeville7230
      @christurbeville7230 Рік тому

      @@HansFormerlyTraffer true though Im curious how much lead is emitted in the cupeling versus nitric reduction

  • @pertinentparadigm1337
    @pertinentparadigm1337 Рік тому +4

    Appreciate all the hard work you put into these videos, especially sharing the mishaps, helps us all learn. It'd be cool to team up with sreetips YT channel and have him refine these for you, although I think he's on the other side on the country.

  • @bruceneely4859
    @bruceneely4859 Рік тому +2

    you should watch the Sreetips channel for the acid recovery and refining process, he's very detailed on the step by step detail orientated.

  • @ADDeeJay
    @ADDeeJay Рік тому +6

    Hey, there is a channel by a jeweler named sreetips who does silver/gold inquarting, and he makes some of the most pure gold I've seen on YT. Maybe you can get with him or do some work together to build both of your channel bases like you have with dan heard and ghost town living.

  • @garyking3459
    @garyking3459 Рік тому +1

    Good video Jason. FYI Streetips is a great channel for chemistry processing of gold and silver.

    • @bw4593
      @bw4593 Рік тому +2

      UA-cam algorithm def knows me better than I know myself cause this video auto played after a Sreetips video for me 😂. I have no illusions I’ll ever refine or mine gold, but I sure get some strange sense of both calm and excitement watching others do it! Calm right up to the reveal and excitement at the reveal of the spoils 😊

  • @bonks4395
    @bonks4395 Рік тому

    Jason, you're doing great with the Oregon claim. I'm kinda happy (sorry) about you needing to crush your ore down finer to free up more gold. I assume you're using a roll mill or a noisy ball mill? Hope it is a roll mill that works with the hammer mill. Love the work you do and look forward to buying another hard rock plant from you again....Bryan in Oregon

  • @peterwiley4383
    @peterwiley4383 Рік тому +1

    Love to watch that table work.

  • @andron967
    @andron967 Рік тому

    That vein is beautiful ! And with a very nice solid looking hanging wall. Don't break it ! I do think it's time for some timbering though.

  • @ThrowingItAway
    @ThrowingItAway Рік тому +2

    The last cupel was saturated and didn't fully remove the lead. You need to put it back in with a fresh or partially used cupel.

  • @RyanMartin-wg7gm
    @RyanMartin-wg7gm 6 місяців тому

    Right on Jason thanks alot all the time you really give me a good idea to keep learning about mining minerals and especially precious metals see ya 😊

  • @austdom
    @austdom Рік тому +1

    Great to see that I am not the only one who fails. Can't wait to see the final result. Great video.

  • @jerrodbeck1799
    @jerrodbeck1799 Рік тому +1

    Mistakes are good. They help you learn.👌🏻

  • @madshephard2boots157
    @madshephard2boots157 9 місяців тому

    Jason.. You did say when you were in the mine that there was copper staining in the area you were working so I would say yes there would be some copper mixed in. Just an observation from watching lots of your videos..

  • @jakebrakebill
    @jakebrakebill Рік тому +3

    I admire your tenacity

  • @robertholland7457
    @robertholland7457 Рік тому +1

    Not a miner or expert, but I have seen inside many mines. Many times the miners may leave a piece like that to support the roof/sides. I would feel much safer with some added supports before digging that out.

  • @billoc1255
    @billoc1255 Рік тому +1

    Does the part that dribbles out and that you dump out after you pour in the cone mold contain gold/silver? If yes, any appreciable amount ?

  • @Bekspacemusic
    @Bekspacemusic Рік тому +1

    Real great video man. But the Hammermill need some grease imo =P
    Love the content!

  • @louiscaraballo6786
    @louiscaraballo6786 Рік тому

    Do you ever check those underground tailings for any gold I wonder if any make it down there though the shaker table practically speaks for itself. 😮

  • @johnslugger
    @johnslugger Рік тому +1

    *Why the heck would you mix oxidizer with pour metal???? That just makes complex oxides. Oxidizers are from Reacting with Carbon, all sulfides and other complexes like Antimony tri-sulfide, etc, etc.* (John S: Class 1979 Colorado School of mines. Master refiner for Engelhard 34 year+.)

  • @ianburton8050
    @ianburton8050 Рік тому

    Good work and complete without the BS. Was that a pillar the old miners left to keep the walls from caving in? If they leave 5 to 10 onz quartz, you have to imagine the grade they were mining in the rest of the reef was pretty spectacular. 😊😊

  • @danvigue2238
    @danvigue2238 Рік тому

    I watch all your videos this is one of the best...

  • @willx27
    @willx27 Рік тому +1

    New camera? Video looks great!

  • @barthanes1
    @barthanes1 Рік тому +1

    Super cool, can't wait to see the results. Sreetips is all set up for refining. Maybe you could collaborate with him.

  • @VenturiLife
    @VenturiLife Рік тому

    Could be about $4,500 USD of gold there, plus a little extra for the silver content. Seems profitable, particularly as you already own the equipment to do it all :)

  • @jakejacobson2999
    @jakejacobson2999 Рік тому

    It’s so satisfying watching the shaker table

  • @codywilkes8049
    @codywilkes8049 Рік тому

    I can’t wait to see it run this summer!!!

  • @Only1Orinthal
    @Only1Orinthal Рік тому +4

    Be sure to add some extra silver to the gold for good acid penetration. Sreetips does good work on the recovery/refining process

    • @damianstasek8946
      @damianstasek8946 Рік тому +1

      Inquarting I believe its called. Diluting the gold with silver or even copper to purify it. Seems crazy but works amazing!

  • @madshephard2boots157
    @madshephard2boots157 9 місяців тому

    At around 40:00 after you flipped it out, I think I would have turned the cone upside down and heated it with a torch to get all the lead out. Just a thought.

  • @EyeOnVenture
    @EyeOnVenture Рік тому +1

    Outstanding work. I was glued to the vid, even though I've never been into the pursuit. But I was a science teacher, so I love the many techniques to concentrate the gold you use. Wow. I'm looking forward to the follow-up.

  • @rodneyarmstrong3813
    @rodneyarmstrong3813 Рік тому +3

    How do you separate the gold and silver.

    • @patricknoveski6409
      @patricknoveski6409 Рік тому

      Yes I wonder that also

    • @mericksonj
      @mericksonj Рік тому +1

      Nitric acid dissolves silver, but not gold, soak they material, heat, pour off the liquid (repeat several times to be thorough) into a jar with pure copper to cement the silver nitrate back to silver powder. Metallic gold and silver separated.

  • @hotrod2893
    @hotrod2893 Рік тому +2

    Love the content. Don't have many options for gold mining down here in Texas. Its great to be along with you for the adventure.

  • @markpashia7067
    @markpashia7067 Рік тому +1

    Wouldn't a slate/acid test give you a good idea of the gold content of each button? I mean 18k is what, about seventy five percent and 14k is about fifty percent. Not exact but a good estimate. What am I missing?

  • @PaulHigginbothamSr
    @PaulHigginbothamSr Місяць тому

    About the many things😊 that grinds smaller than the hammer mill is a ball mill, or stamp mill. People don't use stamp mills much today.

  • @jaywebb3105
    @jaywebb3105 Рік тому +1

    How often do you grease all the moving parts on your table?

  • @mariocardamone1846
    @mariocardamone1846 Рік тому

    awesome just came across your channel and enjoyed it i hope you strike it rich with a ton of pure gold gold luck from australia

  • @joshsmith9558
    @joshsmith9558 Рік тому +3

    Do you ever clean out the pit and rerun the tailings? That would be interesting to see the results of.

    • @SKILLED521
      @SKILLED521 Рік тому +1

      I recall him doing that and getting nearly no valuable metal.

  • @dave082360
    @dave082360 Рік тому

    Very informative and entertaining - even though I don't understand your lingo 👍