What does 'Rust' armorer verdict mean for Alec Baldwin? | Dan Abrams Live
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- A jury found armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed guilty of involuntary manslaughter and not guilty of evidence tampering in the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film “Rust.” Hutchins was killed, and director Joel Souza injured, by what was thought to be a prop gun during an Oct. 21, 2021 rehearsal in New Mexico. NewsNation legal contributor Jesse Weber, "True Sunlight" podcast Liz Farrell and "To Catch a Predator" host Chris Hansen join "Dan Abrams Live" to discuss.
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Alec refused to hire enough people with firearm experience. Alec knew accidental gun shots were happening on his set, and wrecklessly pressed forward until he killed his cinematographer.
WTF are you on about? Baldwin wasn't in charge of the hiring. You MAGA fans are totally deranged. Where did you come up with this nonsense?
Alec's problem is going to be that he didn't show weapon safety on set.
Idle like to reword it to say that his problem was that he displayed VERY UNSAFE handling of the gun multiple times. I realize we are saying the same thing but this is how it will be perceived and that’s very very bad.
If you’re holding a weapon, surely you are responsible for it?
But here, in theory (at least I imagine), the weapon shouldn't have been a 'real' one. So what the hell happened?
the weapon wasn't supposed to be real to begin with, that's why the armorer is responsible.
@@SkepticalChrisrules apply for replicas as well.
@@SkepticalChrisincorrect. The weapon has to be real. Rubber guns cannot fire blanks. What shouldn't have been real are the cartridges. Somehow cartridges with bullets in them made their way onto the set.
Yes that is the law and noone else can relieve you of the legal duties that goes with it. That is why the government does not call them props even in stage use. If it is able to fire a round it is a gun. There are props of various materials the look real but lacks the means to fire any round. They even make blank only guns that have an only partly bored barrel and vents added at slight angles to permit gasses to pass for smoke. They often will have a stepped chamber to preven a real bullet from being introduced also. Still has some risk in the revolver styles fireing blanks as there is a gap that can cause the holder to be hurt with an improper grip resting past the cylinder.
It’s a ridiculous notion to think a 24 year old woman will tell Alec what to do 😂 He has an over sized ego
The Trial was too flawed for the verdict to stand.
Doesn’t take away from the fact that she loaded live rounds in the pistol. Regardless of who mixed the ammo on the cart, she was responsible to check each round. Doesn’t make Baldwin less guilty. He was also responsible to check each round. He also aimed the gun directly at the person behind the camera. Weapons are always aimed off target during filming and rehearsal. There are more people guilty than just the armorer.
@@user-nf2th3bn5t but the procecutor didn't prove the gun wasn't tampered with.
She put a gun with a live round in the hands of an actor and told him "The Gun Is Cold." Period. Every actor has the 100% reasonable expectation that when an armorer puts a gun in your hand and tells you "the gun is cold" that it is. Now, sue Baldwin for negligence as a producer of the film? Sure. But involuntary manslaughter? Only an idiot would want to do that.
The armourer is responsible for checking & double checking the gun, that’s her main job… Baldwin is absolutely NOT responsible, as this is NOT his job !!
Who ever hired the young woman who clearly was not qualified for that position should be responsible too.
Bingo!
That whole film crew clearly wasn't qualified to do their jobs.
i remember at the beginning of all this, that it was said that Alec chose 'lesser than' staff in order to keep costs down. Honestly, it sounds like something he would do.
And who ever raised the person who hired the armory supervisor needs to answer for this too.
@@PauloBerni699 "Raised?" now we're blaming the parents of the people involved? Just for context:
Thell Reed is the most respected armorer and gun coach working in Hollywood today. The man has been a professional competition shooter since he was eight years old, going back to the 1940s. He certainly raised his daughter to be safer and more competent than she was on the set of not only _Rust,_ but _The Old Way,_ where apparently she oversaw *another* negligent discharge that caused Nicolas Cage to halt production and bitch her out on set. That was last year, long after her actions caused someone's death.
Her upbringing is not the issue. She seems to be mentally unhinged and has a drug problem. She does not need to be involved in film production, or in any profession that can cause death through malfeasance.
Really- the footage he seemed like a bully! He was waving the gun around! Atrocious. He should have been drug tested!
Not to mention he’s a notorious drunk.
He is a bully. Has nothing to do with "drugs."
I’ll clear this up, he’s a narcissist. With narcissistic personality disorder. I Know them intimately. So he’s probably a drunk and always an a- $$- hole. He’s selfish, he has zero compassion for others but will PRETEND TO to avoid getting sued. He HAS to go on tv and do interviews because his narcissism demands that he be in control and manipulate other’s opinions. And he HAS to use that opportunity to say how innocent he is while also making it clear that he feels zero guilt (all creatures who possess the ability to empathize feel guilt, even if they did not do anything wrong or intentional. Narc.
It was his baby. Ultimately he has to be held responsible.
The videos from the church, where Alec kept pulling the gun with his finger on the trigger, just before she got shot....that is very damning
He also had a responsibilty.
Someone said it perfectly..
“Do you think Alex Baldwin would have checked the gun if the scene called for him to point it at his own head?”
Someone mentioned that Baldwin hired “lesser than” staff to keep costs down…the other reason is so he could be in total control and boss everyone around!
He had to sign off on the hires. He was the top Producer the Executive Producer, he hired the Line Producer who with his and other producers ok hired the rest.
On a movie set where everything is fake, the gun had to be real. What irony.
The guns are always real, the bullets are fake, or supposed to be.
Baldwin is fake too.
Pretends to be human .
Most of the time the guns are real on a movie set. Are you dumb or just stupid?
That’s not actually true, most props are real things. A ceramic coffee mug is an actual ceramic coffee mug. Not a plastic mug made to look ceramic, and so on…
@@kateashby3066 Nope. I have to correct you here. Everything is made of balsa-wood, polystyrene and plastic. Even glass windows are just imitation, all made of fake translucent stuff. Cars and planes are just empty shells with people hidden inside pushing them.
She’s the patsy, Baldwins money will save his ass.
Hope not. Let justice be served.
🤔.really not sure on this one... with all the evidences against him you can clearly see that he's just a freakin liar and everything is public... forget it he's gonna have some jail time 2 do 4 sure!....annnnd ACTION!!🎬
"PATSY!"?? SHE was 100 percent responsible for the weapons. SHE put a live round in the gun. She told the AD and Baldwin the gun was safe. A jury and millions of others heard the FACTS. SHE is where she belongs!!
@carlosdeno
Sadly I do believe you are correct about Baldwin's money saving his ass
@@DogmanPiaf I hope so, I really do.
Alec Baldwin is at least as culpable as Hannah. I think even more so. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s. Our entire family were hunters. It was ingrained in us from a very early age that the one pulling the trigger was ultimately responsible. He not only was acting a fool, but he pulled the trigger WHILE he was pointing the weapon at his victims.
Alec Baldwin took advantage of an inexperienced 23 year old. He was yelling and telling her to hurry up and she didn't have the experience to stand up to him. It should be him in jail not her.
What?! Nonsense..
She didn’t check the gun before handing it over. At the very last minute , she didn’t check. And that’s it. The jury got it right, esp one juror who works in a nuclear plant. 😱 he is responsible but so is she.
You're right and wrong; yes Baldwin was yelling (not a crime). He wasn't yelling at her-he yelled at everyone (not a crime). He was not responsible for the state of the prop/weapon. Te unqualified, immature, drug addict, alcoholic child was responsible-and she is 100 percent responsible.
Alex Baldwin is also guilty. He pointed the gun at her pulled the trigger.
Absolutely no armorer would be able to stand up to him because he’s a narcissist. And THAT is why you quit. Blaming HER irresponsible action in HIM is absurd. If I’m a cop and my boss tells me to shoot at a peep to stop them from running away (totlaly illegal to do), I WOUKD NOT DO IT because I know right from wrong and don’t want to cause someone’s death. You do NOT take a position that requires you MANAGE the safety of others if you don’t have the right personality for it. 🤦🏻♀️ this is in HER and HIM. She doesn’t get a free pass for being a weirdo girl.
ANYONE who holds a firearm should know and practice basic gun safety. Even Alec Baldwin.
What's the difference in outcome?
"I was just cleaning my gun and it went off?!"
"I was just filming a movie and it went off?!"
Every member of the crew that testified against her deserves part of the blame. Especially the ones who knew she was using drugs. One call to the ATF could have stopped this from occurring. I think she was guilty and should be held accountable but this was a failure on the part of the entire crew.
Well said 👏👏👏
Alec Baldwin loud mouthed himself into an indictment
These geniuses, who've never held a gun or taken a gun safety lesson, believe that the guy who pulled the trigger and killed the other person isn't the "most responsible party". People should stick to talking about stuff they understand.
They're all responsible. He was told it was a cold gun. Hannahs job was to open it and check, not his.
@@bbloodyangel1 Jesus H Christ himself could come down from the sky hand me a gun and swear that it's unloaded and I would still check it because that's what gun safety calls for.
Do you really think an actor can check every gun he handles in a scene? Eg James Bond, John Wick, etc where they use multiple guns in one scene many taken from other actors mid-scene?
@@duannecb was Baldwin handling multiple guns when he fired that shot?
@@bbloodyangel1rule number one… treat every firearm as if it was loaded. Never take anyone’s word for it, you are ultimately responsible for what happens. If she said it was cold, he should have asked her to clear it in front of him. Plus, he was just rehearsing, not even need to have blanks in it. They were just trying camera angles… and finally, you NEVER point a gun to ANYONE, film or real life situation unless you want to hurt them
Hanna handed Alex the gun and said it was cold. He had plenty of time to check the GUN himself. They weren’t filming yet he decided he wanted to “practice “. My son hands me a gun on the gun range and tells me it’s not loaded and I still check it. And even when I’m practicing I would never ever point a gun to a human being unless I would have intentions of harming them. GUN safety 101. Yes he pulled the trigger. The gun did not shoot itself the gun did not aim itself at a person. He did both of those. Careless. Reckless. Fatal.
And it happens all the time because guns are inherently unsafe, as evidenced by the hundreds of accidental gun deaths every year in the U.S. alone. Gun safety 101: get rid of the guns.
The cinematographer was probably mouthing off to Alex and he probably decided he wants to scare her a little. Dumber things have happened in Hollyweird
@@pallhe "get rid of the guns" isn't gun safety at all. It just means that only the government and the criminals have them, leaving the law abiding average citizen at the mercy of both.
There are about 500 "accidental" firearm deaths per year in the US, which is a negligible statistic. For example, there are about 4,000 drownings per year in the US. There are about 251,000 medical malpractice deaths per year in the US.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 You're comparing apples and oranges. A high number of drownings doesn't excuse a high rate of gun-related deaths. In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data are available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S. The U.S. has the 28th-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. This is because the country is awash with firearms, which multiplies the risk of such deaths. In Great Britain, the rate of gun ownership is 3.3 per 100 people in the population, compared with the U.S. rate of 101, thirty times higher. In the UK not even policemen carry firearms -- it's only specially-trained firearms officers that carry them. So how does the U.S. fare compared with the UK on this front? Answer: The U.S. rate of deaths from gun violence in 2021 was approximately 340 times higher than in the UK which had 0.013 deaths per 100,000. I repeat: 340 times higher!!! Go figure.
No one likes him and I hope he's held responsible for his part
True. I think the only people that like him are his current wife and his dozen children that are too young to know better.
I still say the propmaster got away with guilt....she quickly got rid of evidence....WHY? WHY did they feel the need to grant the propmaster IMMUNITY???? She through Hannah under the bus. Granted Hannah has some guilt, but Sarah and that turncoat, SLOPPY ammo supplier who is so full of himself, is guilty, too......betcha some of those live bullets were in the boxes he provided....but we'll never know, will we? Sarah threw everything away.
we do know hannah loaded the gun. baldwin accepted without seeing it cleared himself. if hannah finds the live round, her job, or it's found by baldwin demanding a thourough check done before taking, then not pointing or touching trigger Hutchins lives.
Sarah should've fired Hannah like she said she wanted to, if she thought she was sloppy. And Seth schmoozing with the red haired corporal ugh
Absolutely.
Exactly
@@pinkieruralThat corporal looked like she wanted to protect Seth's pistol, if you know what I mean.
Who loaded the gun? Why were blanks and live loads mixed together? 🤔
Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger, ultimately he should face tougher sentencing.
But why was he holding a 'real' weapon in the first place? Is that common practice in Hollywood?
@rigelb9025
Yes, they use real firearms, that's why they have armores
@@elizabethlacky6068 Why the hell do they use real firearms?
@@rigelb9025he likes real guns on set
Who does?
That lawyer representing Hannah brought absolutely nothing to the table. He came across as a very dry prosecution attorney, instead of a passionate defense attorney. Not one raised eyebrow from this guy at all.
She should've taken a plea deal instead of hiring a cheap attorney, her reasoning skills is really lacking
Be careful, a "passionate defense attorney" typically just shows that the lawyer has no arguments and is just "pounding the table". Hannah's lawyer worked pro bono and certainly wasn't the most competent one.
The biggest disappointment of the Rust tragedy is that Baldwin was not filming a suicide scene ...
I all but guarantee you that if he was, he would have TRIPLE checked that gun!!!
that's just rude.
Nah....
There's plenty of culpability to go around.
He not only fired the shot, he hired the idiot armorer.
She was thrown under the bus by her management team, who clearly should have employed and paid a professional armorer. Where have you ever been on a movie set like that?? Where were the co-producers and why didn't they tell Baldwin his actions were dangerous and against standard procedure. He was a loose cannon something bad was bound to occur....
If Baldwin doesn’t get convicted for his part of this production, justice won’t have been served.
Are you a lawyer? What do you know about justice. All you are is just an angry little man
I think Hannah ended up very likable at the end of the trail versus by public opinion going into trial. Just my opinion.
Did you watch most of the trial? Did you feel that Sarah should bear any responsibility?
@@almac9203 Oh yes......didn't like her at all. Turncoat! She and Seth had a plan to destroy evidence.
That was an act. Her police interview showed her true colours. Narcissistic nepo baby.
Sarah got rid of evidence, maybe on advice received on her phone from Seth.
Not a prop gun, not an accident.
They both have responsibilities with this awful event. She was hired specifically for gun safety. Why there was live ammunition on set is something I don’t understand. There is never a reason why there should be live ammunition on set.
Jesse is the man. As a crime junkie, he's my favorite person on YT . 🤙
But why were there live bullets in the gun??
cocaine
@@bbloodyangel1 No evidence for that.
@@bbloodyangel1 Wow. That hardly answers the question. Let me re-phrase it : Why were there real weapons/ammo on-set to begin with??
@@Rabenov-wq8qy2qg5t except literal testimony
Possibly Kenney is responsible, since he had live ammo with him for self-defense.
He did not bring the ammo. She was firing guns with others with live ammo. He was handed a loaded gun..
I don't remember that coming up in the trial - is that substantiated?
Hannad admitted to the cops the box of live amunition was from her dads
I keep asking the same question. Why did Mr. Baldwin point a weapon at a cinematographer who not another actor ????
Baldwin was pointing into the camera.
Jail for Baldwin and throw the key😂
Then they will have to find it in at most 18 months.......
It does NOT matter if ALec pulled the trigger or not!!! The gun should have not have live bullets in it and on the movie set and that is the fault of the Armorer and the assistant director and the prop master. Plain and simple!
It is the responsibility of the ARMORER/WEAPON HANDLER to ENSURE safety of firearms on set. I did that job professionally, I know it inside out. A LIVE ROUND found it's way into a pistol during a film shoot and someone DIED. That is the ultimate sin for a film weapon handler. Conviction is correct and proper, sorry.
Liz is wrong. Baldwin is the Producer and as such has overall responsibility on safety for what happens on set.
It’s kinda like turning a car with a passenger. You ask them if traffic is clear, they say it is, and you check anyway just to be safe
If you've ever work on a film set you you will run across the "l'm in charge type" but when the shit hits the fan they seem to grow 10 extra fingers for pointing blame.
Alec Baldwin was mostly responsible for having an unsafe working environment. And his saying he did not pull the trigger? Horrible man all around.
The Actor isn't the one who was responsible for loading the gun - that is not his responsibility -- if anything he is a victim along with the women who was shot. Now he has to live with this horror!
Agree
The safe handling of a firearm is not a "job" . It is an individual legal requirement set forth in state and federal law. Handling of a firearm with a willful disregard for the safety of others is considered criminal negligence. If a person dies due to that criminal negligence, then it is involuntary manslaughter.
There is LOTS of case law on this. After all, Baldwin isn't the first person unintentionally shooting someone. It happens about 500 times a year nationwide. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
He’s not off the hook. The burden of their negligence is on both of them.
Baldwin was careless and irresponsible, he had his finger in the trigger guard, he pulled the trigger, he pointed the gun at the victom
If the scene called for Alec to commit suicide would he check the barrel before shooting?
Jesse Weber got a name wrong here as well, suggesting Halyna gave Alec the weapon when he likely meant Hannah. these guys are also play fast and loose with legal facts!
There were drugs on the set, the judge knows that so that might be why she could give a longer sentence. Just saying. And, Hanna was VERY NEGLIGENT…..she acted childish.
He must be locked up !
The woman doesn't grasp the concept that more than one person can be culpable for the same crime. Just because Halls and Hannah G were convicted for their roles it doesn't absolve Baldwin from his responsibility in the tragedy. He was in possession of a deadly weapon. He knew it was a deadly weapon and failed to exercise due care and circumspection. He failed to personally verify that the firearm was safe by inspecting it. Secondly, he acted recklessly by pointing a firearm at another human being (a firearm that he knew was capable of lethal force and that he had not personally verified to be safe). Thirdly, he pulled the trigger. regardless of what Halls or Hannah G did, his responsibility existed discreetly, and he will be on trial for involuntary manslaughter with a very strong legal case against him. He won't be able to offload his responsibility for gun safety onto anyone else regardless of what they have been charged and convicted of. Special rules regaridng gun safety don't apply because you are on a movie set. One size fit's all.
Chris Hansen should go back to his old Entrapment job!
I still don’t get why they would even have live rounds on a set,… for what purpose would they be used for 🤷🏼♀️
There's 2 theories here.
1. The live rounds wound up on stage due to bad organization by armourer and she took people out shooting and mistaking brought that ammo on set
2. The disgruntled camera crew left a little "gift" on her cart to emphasize how dangerous the set was and why they walked off set
@@rossome3043yea these two seemingly unrelated events, suspiciously line up.. and noone knows where the live round came from. Or some one is lying (likely)
The should not have been both the prop girl and kinny are suspect but as defense pointed out the evidence was thown away and as they had a walk out over safety the day before, tampering is posible too. Many reported they would do target practice between takes as well, if true that is troubling indeed. It is rare any live rounds should be used on any normal set but there are a couple exceptions.
Documentry or testing shows that film how guns and ammo perform, sometimes against various items. Some reenactments or range shoots in a limited way with a gun range condition. Also with reenactments actors often spend weeks to train before filming. TNT's Rough Riders had some good bts bits if interested. Also some civil war reenactors can give detail. Glory had a couple live shots I believe with the load faster bit as they show the whole loading process.
@@charlesmaurer6214 That's never made sense to me, how do you throw away evidence in such a way that it can't be recovered, it's not like they had a high temp incinerator on site.
@@rossome30433. A live training session was done on 1883 and the live round got mixed up with the dummies, and seth kenney brought the mixed up batch to set.
In a word, NOTHING. ALEC IS THE DEFINITION OF SELFISH AND IRRESPONSIBLE.
Judge sounded stupid with her "somebody died here" on the remand question. It was a manslaughter case. Has she sat on a manslaughter case where someone miraculously lived?
Well, apparently the convicted felon had to be reminded that "somebody died here" because of her negligent actions.
Chris Hanson to Baldwin "How ya doing?....why don't you have a seat right over here?.."
It means she’s been made an escape goat so he can get off Scott free from shooting and killing another human being. He violated every firearms safety rule and must be held accountable for his incompetence and negligence. He’s a democrat Hollywood elite and they are trying to blame everyone else except Alex even though he’s the one who failed firearms safety and pointed the gun at another human, put his finger on the trigger and pulled it. He’s as guilty as one can get.
Bang Bang once again not being held accountable!
Alec is just guilty,why he bullied,yelled,and made the crew uncomfortable, rushing ,he was in charge,trust me he is NO CLINT EASTWOOD,ANGER MANAGEMENT HE WENT OFF TO MANY TIMES
Alec Baldwin didn't know about the live round in the fuckin gun! Enough said, for fuck sake!
What this trial has established is you cannot trust another person as to the safety of the gun you are holding, because another person can be negligent.
Be great to see him do time..
The subject interviewed will be held accountable if actually convincing in these matters.
This trial went really badly for Alec
Actually the Mistrial will go very well for him.
Dan Abrams really didn't want to hear "hi, I'm Chris Hansen, have a seat". Then he remembered "wait a minute, I'm the host, Chris drove over here. What are you doing here, Chris? Don't run, Chris. Wow, Chris is really moving, wouldn't have thought he was that fit".
How did the live ammo get into the movie set in the first place? They don't allow such things into movie productions at all.
He’s a jerk anyway
He was an executive producer and half the cast walked off the week before due to the lack of firearm safety. He has the responsibility to ensure a safe work environment.
Alec Baldwin is not the only additional person that should face a trial - the others mentioned below should also be in the dock!
Only having just watched most of this trial, the evidence given by Seth Kenny seems that is has been over rehearsed with the Prosecutor beforehand!
It is twisted and confusing in order to baffle the jury!
The Defense didn’t intervene to insist that his gobbledegook be clarified for the benefit of them!
Why was Seth Kenny not fully investigated?
Why was Sarah Zachary given a deal by the Prosecutor?
Why was David Hall, the first assistant director and safety coordinator, allowed to get off with a 6 months weird charge after claiming that he was “negligent" and should have checked the firearm.
What actually qualified Hannah Gutierrez-Reed to be given the job of Armourer in the first place?
Who actually gave her the job of being an Armorer on the “Rust” set - how did they assess her capabilities and experience to do the job correctly?
What paperwork was signed and how was she paid and by whom?
If this was presented as evidence then it wasn’t apparent to me in what I was watching.
Hannah has more of an appearance of an adolescent teenager and not that of someone capable of being in control as is expected of an Armorer!
David Hall was the first assistant director and safety coordinator on the set of the movie “Rust” with Alec Baldwin. Hall took the stand to say he had no concerns regarding armorer Hannah Gutierrez and her performance on the job.
Someone supplied or brought live rounds onto the set but they can’t prove who that was.
Hannah has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
Yes, she warrants blame but all of the others do so too!
She should not have been in the dock alone and to me this appears as a miscarriage of justice.
I did find it really strange that at one point whilst giving his evidence, Seth Kenny actually took out his mobile phone on the stand to “look at something” and no body intervened!
Alec is going to serve some jail time.
accept he doesn't have a NM gun permit and hes waving his pistol around like a pointing stick and he's demanding the armorer to hurry up and reload and everyone's ignoring barrel discipline... they all should be found guilty 🤡🌍
Chris Hanson? Where are the cookies? 18 months? THe max is 15 years for inv manslaughter.
Murica - where you can get a life sentence for a non-violent drug offense (and now, also for a miscarriage) - but where getting someone killed out of sheer negligence only gets you 18 months.
This would have been 15 years in the sate of Florida! New Mexico, however, is a "progressive" state, where criminals get off easy. Recreational and medical marijuana and abortions are legal in New Mexico as well.
Wow ,glad to see chris hansen back on tv
There is one thing that is absolutely un-deniable: There is NO place on a movie set for live ammunition. Zero. Responsible armorer often even check cars, people, bags of anyone coming on a set that uses guns to make certain no one "by mistake" bring their own gun or have forgetten some live amo in their car etc.
So in my book Hanna is responsible for not doing her job. If she did not know where the amo was coming from who did?
At the same tie Baldwin was director and as director he has the responsibility for the entire set and there is no doubt that he acted negligently.
Is CC still at NN? Yes? Not watching. Stopped 1 second in.
I blame the person that hired Hannah. She had no qualifications other than her dad was an armorer. It is not what you know it is who you know.
Baldwin said in his famous tv interview that he was asked to point the gun towards the camera by Hutchins. That is what we believed since her death. In the trial, the director clearly says he was only to pull the gun out sideways to figure out the scene, never to point it at the camera. That is going to bite Baldwin big time. Doesn't matter whether he checked the gun or not, he willfully pointed it at a person when he wasn't supposed to, and accidentally pulled the trigger.
I wonder why they had real ammo at a movie set.
18 months is a short period of time
More than 1 person have hold responsibility. Her statement was dumb
Im sorry but no live rounds belong on a movie set. Done! Fake rounds dont kill people, period.
Was there not a actor who thought the same thing and killed himself with blanks. This happen 10 or so years ago.
Blanks can kill another posted the name starting with Hux.. he did the old voyager time travel show. He blew his brains with a blank to the head. A blank lacks the bullet but still has all the force of the charge and perhaps a wad (that would burn or stop in a couple feet, often would be a wad of cotton to help hold the powder in the case)
The irony of Baldwin playing Trump on SNL and Baldwin going to jail is glorious!
Alec will be headed to prison after his conviction.
Let’s hope the verdict means he cannot father another child for at least 4-6 years!
Ya. I think we found the guilty party, and she even looks the part of a saboteur. Throws bullets in the trash something she has never done before. WHY would she do that other than to get rid of evidence of a crime she committed.
This trial will be all about money vs justice. Money wins in our "justice" system. Lets see how public holds his feet to fire i wouldnt give a fuck about justice being served... these people dont go to jail....
Jails and prisons weren’t built for their kind.
@@djuarakurniawan4738 good thing we get to watch "justice" play out. Watch what millions of dollars gets you. Freedom
Yes, HGR was technically responsible, but the higher ups knew, or should have known, that she was unqualified for the job. You don't skimp on budget, hire someone not qualified, and then use that as a 'get out of jail card' excuse.
Baldwin pulled the trigger of the weapon that killed a person, why would he not be held responsible? If he walks, baldwin will get even worse than he already is.
He will get away with it ..
The point you're missing is the FBI guy said he had to break the gun to get it to fire without pulling the trigger, then said he can't account for every possibility outside his lab, that was just in the lab. And another redditor said that trigger was sensitive and could easily go off by a small accidental touch
The FBI broke the gun to destroy evidence.
"And another redditor said that trigger was sensitive and could easily go off by a small accidental touch" 🤣 😅 😂 This is too funny. Yeah, the defense should definitely call that redditor as an expert witness. The trigger pull is 4.5 pounds on these. 🤦
Alec knew the routine from his many years in the industry to the point where he could of been the armorer himself. Having seen countless times how armorers go about their job; and for this set to lack everything that should be there. Is something he should have had the better judgement to understand to be WRONG.
he has not got that confidence he has that EGO
dont mean shit, he wont face charges
Whats chris hansen doin here
The people in the middle of this table are very weird.
So am I. What's your point??
Alec never said Halyna handed him the weapon. She didnt have anything to do with handeling the guns.
Alec said Halyna was directing him to point the gun at her . What an ass he is. So of course he does it.
@@pinkieruralthat's not unreasonable. She wants to see what the scene looks like so directed him to draw the gun and she would guide him so that it would look better on film.
@@almac9203negative. Under no circumstances do you ever point a gun at something you don't intend to kill.
@@DJSt3rling wrong. This is a movie set not the forest. He was directed to do so by the cinematographer.
It's frustrating to watch mainstream media not addressing past incidents and how Hollywood handled it.
This isn't the first time it happen.
One very famous case is the death of Brandon Lee in 1993.
He was killed by a prop gun that was used for blanks. The co-star was not charged and lives with guilt.
Another is John Hexum when he pointed a prop pistol to his head and the blank charge went off while waiting for action.
Another big accident involves The Twilight Zone movie.
Landis, Folsey, Wingo, production manager Allingham, and explosives specialist Paul Stewart were tried
and acquitted on charges of manslaughter in a nine-month trial in 1986 and 1987. They brought down a UH-1 Huey on Vic Morrow
and child actors Myca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen. The chopper blades...😢
History has shown that being in charge doesn't mean guilty like the CEO of a company after a workplace accident.
They can try Alex Baldwin but it will end in acquittal.
You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Baldwin meant for a round to leave the chamber and it's not there.
How does he know there were live rounds in the weapon and yes some sets are on a tight schedule.
Yes, it's stressful like Tom Cruise blowup on Mission Impossible set.
Not a fan of Alec Baldwin but this was on the armorer using set props for live fire.
Why not just use different weapons and have a clear conscience...
"You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Baldwin meant for a round to leave the chamber and it's not there." -- BLATANTLY FALSE! c is charged with involuntary manslaughter, meaning he DIDN"T intended to kill someone. If he did, then he would haven been charged with murder.
The safe handling of a firearm is an individual legal requirement. Handling of a firearm with a willful disregard for the safety of others is considered criminal negligence. If a person dies due to that criminal negligence, then it is involuntary manslaughter.
I highly recommend that you study the NM jury instructions for manslaughter (NM 14-231). The key sentences are:
- Alec Baldwin should have known of the danger involved by Alec Baldwin's actions.
- Alec Baldwin acted with a willful disregard for the safety of others.
- Alec Baldwin's act caused the death of Halyna Hutchins.
The first point is clear. Alec Baldwin testified that he knew that he was handling a real firearm and therefore was aware of the danger involved in pointing it at the victim, cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger. Alec Baldwin also testified that he had 3 decades of firearm training. He certainly should have known that there could be a live round in there and therefore should have checked it for himself, or simply not pointed the gun at the victim, cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. In fact, he is on video on the Rust set saying that.
The second point is clear by his testimony and by the evidence. He assumed that the firearm wasn't loaded, pointed it at the victim, cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger. By his own testimony, he wasn't sure that the gun was or wasn't loaded. Baldwin isn't the first person unintentionally shooting and killing someone. It happens about 500 times a year nationwide. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
The third point is clear by the evidence. He shot and killed the victim.
Baldwin is toast!
It means he’s going to the slammer
would you believe someone with an Ace Ventura haircut?