Thinkin I should say that with folks' different interpretations of when Maria exactly went to the ARK, it's legitimately why I shared the two different ones in this video. 😅 I learn towards how it's said in Gerald's journal where Maria has been on the ARK long enough for researchers to actually think she was born there, so it would suggest that she's been there ever since she was at the very least around three or four. I'm also thinking the stories Maria tells Shadow about exploring on Earth (ie. Spagonia) was when she was a toddler and Gerald told her about it so she could at least know where she's been before she got on the ARK... or she just had a VERY good memory. And besides, Maria being on the ARK for most of her life adds to the weight of how badly she wanted to go back to Earth, I think! I appreciate the love yall have been giving this video so so much! 😊
It's possible she goes down to earth occasionally, and expend time with her parents, but as her condition worse the shorter the time she could be there until it becomes impossible, maybe the Spagonia travel was the last time they were all together. Besides she said 'I miss my baby Sister', meaning she met her, and to that point is a toddler at most, and the younger Maria would be there is 10-11. It's likely her sister would be introduced later using Commander Tower's as a bridge, for the age gap(around 5 years) I wouldn't be surprised if result being her wife. PD: it's not confirmed if Abe is married, but we know he have a son/daughter and 2 grandkids. It's curious but they reintroduce him little by little, inclusive it's implied he gives Shadow, Gerald's diary at some point.
let's make this even more heart breaking. Shadow meets Maria's little sister who now has a daughter, who is now around the age that Maria was at when she died & Maria's sister called her daughter Maria in memory of Maria. Oh & the daughter looks almost like Maria.
If she is still alive, would that mean she'd also carry the Robotnik family name? If so, imagine how embarrassing it must be for her how, every time she tunes into the news, her cousin is threatening to conquer the world, but then he proceeds to get beat up by a blue rat through the power of friendship and magical rocks.
It be hilarant 😂😂😂 the news part would be pretty funny. But I doubt she still uses Robotnick as her last name. She is over 50(as born before the ark disaster), it's likely to be married, and my bet is they already talk about her family.
i REALLY want to know about the extended CANNON robotnik family, like what do they all think of eggman? are they shunned by society because of eggman's actions? do most people even KNOW robotnik is eggman? GAHH I NEED 2 KNOW!!!!!
Most people do, he openly went as Robotnik prior to adopting the nickname Sonic gave him. His siblings/other cousins likely have a different name to remove themselves further from him, like Kintobor or Towers- on account of Abraham
@@ashemabahumat4173except that’s only in western releases He’s always been called Eggman in Japanese, they just made Robotnik the name of his Grandfather to connect the 2 different lores together For all we know, Eggman is descended from Gerald Robotnik on his mother’s side, and he obtained the Eggman name from his dad After all, Maria is his cousin, but his sister, meaning that Gerald had at least 2 kids
@Broomer52 or that nobody questions that the earth was shot into several continent sized pieces and so far nothing significant happened via the ensuing category 100 earthquake
Some more Robotnik Family Angst thoughts: Maria’s death weighed really heavily on the family for years. In Eggman’s logs in Frontiers, he says even through he never met Maria, he was constantly being compared (or felt like he was compared) to the idealized image of their martyred loved one. It’s implied this is one of the reasons he went over the deep end and became an egomaniacal supervillain. Now the whole world knows what Gerald Robotnik programmed the ARK to do. What Ivo Robotnik has subjected the planet to. Her family is seen as monsters the world over. Maria’s sister may have forsaken her name and gone into hiding, so when Shadow starts looking, there’s no trace of her.
Makes me wonder if the Robotnik family have tried to distance themselves from Gerald and Eggman by changing their name and going underground, so as to avoid any scrutiny in the public eye? The family likely heard of Shadow, but probably want nothing to do with him or any association with the past, especially with Gerald. That would make things difficult, especially if Shadow tried to find Maria's sister....
It would be interesting if they decided to change their last names to Kintobor, I wouldn't mind seeing that plot point return from the Fleetway and Archie Comics
Is Gerald still hated even though he came in clutch during the black arms disaster is my question. Cuz I'd be surprised if he were still on everyone's shit list due to no one knowing exactly what was done to him. I'm not saying it's excusable but I'd probably be like "yeah, makes sense. Fuck his grandson tho"
I think it's interesting that Black Doom knew about chaos control cause he's a alien and we now know the emeralds came from space so Black Doom must have know about the aliens from frontiers.
Maria didn't go to the ARK when she was a toddler. She has memories of visiting Spagonia while she was still healthy and on earth. This leads me to believe that actually met her baby sister before she fell ill and was taken to the ARK. That being said, assuming this baby sister is still alive, this would make her at least 50 years old but younger than 62, since we know Maria was 12 years old when she died 50 years ago, but we don't know when exactly she went to the ARK and saw her baby sister for the last time. Assuming she's still alive today, Maria's sister probably took up her father's passion for archeology, just as Eggman took up his father's passion for robotics.
However there is a certain contradiction - in SA2 she wonders what it's like in Earth. It's only in English version so it could be non-canon mistranslation, but perhaps Maria forgot because of her illness which has "neuro" in the name.
Actually not, is baby sister was born after Maria was sick and in the ark they had her to replace her when she passes away, that was the point were Gerald disowned his son.
@@ZeroTaichi "they had to replace her" That's not at all what it says, and Gerald never disowned his son. You're either misreading it or injecting your own beliefs into it. If anything, the son was disowning the father. He was furious Gerald was still holding onto Maria and not allowing them to see her. They didn't "replace" Maria. Gerald flat out says in the journal entries: they either way Maria back so they can spend their final days together, or to have her cured. They weren't trying to "replace" Maria by having another child, they wanted both children.
I don't think we ever got Maria's age, did we? The general assumption is 12, but she could be as old as 14 I think. Maria's baby sister is mentioned in Gerald's Journal as being born after Maria came to the Ark. She was probably at most 4 years old, but more likely between newborn and 1 year. I think it was between Shadow being planned to be created and Shadow being finished, so it couldn't be that long before the Ark Incident and Maria's death.
you probably already know this but that's shadow's plot arc thing in the pre genesis wave archie comics; he finds a long lost relative of maria called hope and bonds with her
RIGHT?! As soon as I found out, I was like "Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute!!!! Maria has a little sister?!?! Where is the story where Shadow goes to find Maria's family or accidentally sees Maria's sister and is shocked by the family resemblance?!" Shadow doesn't need any more pain, but I agree with AbbyBubbls; get Shadow some therapy, someone to commiserate with who knew Maria and gets it. However, Shadow will never move on if he doesn't face this and only he can choose if he does that or not. Maria's family isn't exactly Shadow's family because he never knew them and they might not accept him the way Maria did, but it would be interesting to see what the game writers might have in mind (if they're going in this direction).
Just pointing some things out. 1. Eggman in Frontiers states that he was a very lonely child and never could fully grasp the concept of all the adults in his family giving Maria their full attention. 2. Maria looks to be anywhere from 8-12, she WOULD have memories on Earth and WOULD remember meeting her younger sister. 3. Gerald in a later cutscene explains that since Maria's condition (Neuro-Immuno Deficiency Syndrome (NIDS), basically Super AIDS) couldn’t be cured on Earth, he had her moved to the Ark so he could both easily monitor her and stabilise her condition.
This has been building up since Sonic Adventure 2, Eggman mentions in his Egg Memo's(in Sonic Frontiers) that he didn't really know Maria that well(and in SA2 Eggman mentions to Tails that he idolized Gerald as a kid and wanted to be a great scientist like him when he was older) and his family neglected him because they were still mourning Maria's death. I really hope they do something with this and all this recent build up amounts to something and not tossed away.
It's also MASSIVE that we saw Eggman's dad and uncle! Not only were they mentioned, but we actually SAW them in pictures! Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time we have even heard about these characters in the games?
I'm glad they did that, because now that Shadow has gained closure with Gerald, Maria, and Black Doom, the next Shadow game could focus on Maria's family.
Funny enough Eggman’s family tree and upbringing has always been interesting to me as both Ivo/Eggman and Maria are cousins but couldn’t be more different in spirit and nature but inherited bits of Gerald’s genius as we know of what Eggman is capable of and Maria was the one who designed Shadow’s Airshoes and the possibility of another Robotnik being around and is possibly alive is a bit of a shock and I have a feeling that this might become relevant info later in the series maybe possibly as a reference or game counterpart to Hope Kintobor/Robotnik
It was fun for me when an Eggman Memo in Frontier mentions Maria and how he felt resentment against Maria because all the love and affection she got and felt like everyone in the family was just ignoring him. He admired his grandpa and wanted to be just like him but also wanted love and respect he felt owed which is probably what led him down the path of an Evil Genius
Shadow wouldn't have any connection with Maria's now 50 year old sister. They were friends, close as family, literally family, depending on how you look at it. But the rest have no meaning to him. Even Eggman he blindsided with the ARK Collison Course plan in SA2, Shadow dngaf about Eggman. And Eggman returned that energy post-SA2. I'd love to see Eggman's relationship with his family, what they think of him, how they fit into society, etc. And I'd love to see the start of one of them becoming like Eggman or Gerald.
I think that's exactly where the Sonic lore is going: First Eggman creates Sage and gets attached to her. Then a Frontiers memo mentions he "never really knew" Maria, hints at him being jealous of her getting more love from his family and wonders if they saw her like he sees Sage. And now we get a game largely about Maria and Gerald with the reveal that Eggman's still got a living cousin. They're totally setting up Eggman's family relationships.
Depends on if Maria's sister has a granddaughter that deeply resembles her or not. Eggman was just her cousin or something, this would be a much closer blood connection, and that might matter.
It would help Shadow so much for him to meet Maria's little sister, and possibly her daughter since when Shadow was initially captured he was put away for 50 years before being released by Eggman. Thinking of him talking to her and meeting possibly a daughter of the sister, explaining who he is and what Maria was like just my FEELS, it's too good SEGA please make a short series about this. It's so real and good to show a healthy way of working through trauma via television.
Not just little sister but full grown little sister, who could have had her own child who is full grown and has their _own_ child. Maria's sister, neice/nephew, and grandneice/nephew.
The image of Gerald holding baby Maria is most likely just him meeting her for the first time, on Earth, his journal entry specifies that she had just been born and he was happy to meet her.
1:01 that's definitely not the case, there was a cutscene with Gerald and Maria in the hospital, i guess that was the moment, where he decided to take Maria to ARK and she looked more or less the same, so she definitely was old enough.
I almost wanted to believe that both Maria's appearance in this game and in SA2/Shadow the Hedgehog is accurate. Gerald mentions Maria developing into a young woman, so she did grow a bit while aboard the Ark. This game depicts her as appearing younger than in SA2/Shadow the Hedgehog. However, the timing doesn't work because of the Black Comet, unless we assume that the "50 years ago" is not a fully accurate time period and is just an approximation. I think Maria in the hospital doesn't look much younger just because they're keeping one Maria design and not showing multiple ages for her. She had to have been on the Ark for at least a couple of years.
My head Canon is that Some Random Character ordinary Somehow finds The Seal of Mephiles, And they Just Go on Some Chaotic Journey throughout the Franchise. Lego DC Supervillain style.
It's both fitting and very likely that the rest of the Robotnik Family secluded themselves from society after both the events of The Ark and when Eggman declared war on the world to takeover. This would explain why we only ever get information on Gerald and Maria. Eggman likely also got disowned by his family which could be another reason he adopts the Dr. Eggman name. Both to protect his family, and to give himself his own name because he wants to be independent.
Shadow meets Marias sister, Maria's sister has a daughter that looks just like Maria and is named Maria, personality wise though probably vastly different
It would fit thematically aswell, SA2 and Heroes was about discovering the past, Shadow The Hedgehog and Sonic 06 were about him moving on from the past, and Shadow Generations is about embracing his past and being able to live with his new life while still missing Maria and his old life. This hypothetical new game about Maria's sister would essentially be the final chapter of Shadows story and would honestly be the perfect ending.
There's already some inconsistencies between Sonic X Shadow Generations, Dark Beginnings, and Gerald's Journal. The Maria sister age thing. Shadow breaking into GUN and stealing a rocket, then him telling Rouge in the game that he is on a mission from GUN. Etc.
Him being on a GUN mission is more in line with previous continuity than him breaking into GUN. You know, him being a GUN agent in '06 and all (no, the internal retcon wouldn't negate that happening, his agent status predates the start of '06).
@ShadwSonic 2 Things: A. Can you cite for me when Shadow joined GUN? I thought that was 06 ngl. B. Instead of just asking, Shadow attacked and stole a rocket ship to go to the ARK to investigate something of his own volition. Then in SXSG he says "GUN sent me on a mission". The Only Possible way this could make sense is if after he attacked and stole the ship anyway GUN asked him to check something out aboard the ARK since he was already there. And that's still a pretty stupid explanation.
@TheBoneHeadClan Well, in his own game, you can unlock an Expert Mode. The justification for this is that it's some form of training taking place after the main game... but since some locales don't exist anymore (Black Comet), this has to be VR. Moreover, both the President and the GUN Commander pop in to say things, so this isn't just some exercise that Tails whipped up or something. Next we see of him, Shadow is mid-mission for GUN in '06.
@@TheBoneHeadClan He doesn’t say GUN sent him there just that they a detected a bio signature there and since Shadow wanted to go there they probably ran a bio scan found something and told Shadow.
I've been thinking about this as well! I really hope that they'll do something with it. I'm pretty sure that Maria didn't move to the ARK when she was a toddler, but rather as a kid? And maybe she saw her baby sister before leaving.
We also get to see what Maria and Eggman‘s dad’s look like when they graduated school and we don’t know which is which but it would be interesting for Maria’s sister to be introduced in a subsequent game and for her to meet shadow and Abe Towers, and have some therapy about it
So get this, we might know exactly WHO Gerald's other granddaughter is. In Gerald's Journal before the actual journal starts there is a note from someone called T, they are from the Archival & requisitions department of G.U.N. What they are isn't important, what is important is a line in the note "It's a pity (that Gerald's journal is damaged and missing information) I would have very much liked to have greater insight into Gerald and Maria's lives too." For a scientist learning about Gerald is understanding, but why Maria unless they have a certain connection to them. Maria and her sister never met, her sister was born while Maria was already on the ark, so if this T person is Maria's sister, it's understandable she would want to learn about a sister and grandfather she never got to know.
I kinda want a future Shadow game where Shadow gets hurt part way into the story and is found and nursed back to health only to wake up to a girl similar in appearance, age and personality but with differences. He founds out the girl is the Maria's niece and that she and her mom, Maria's sister helped him. He has to wait until he is healed so a bond starts to form, then they end up involved because they genuinely want to help so by the end of the game Shadow is shown going to their home for dinner and being treated like family, like an uncle.
Some are hoping that through her sister, we get the equivalent to Hope Kintobor from Archie comics, maybe as a grandchild. In the comics, she was a close friend to Shadow who reminded him of Maria.
A part of me thinks this is some wink and nod to the old Sonic comics where we got to see the extended Robotnik family and Shadow became friends with a distant relative of Maria's who looks nearly identical to her but with a more tomboy look. I doubt they'd use the same character for the games since the comics cast has been wiped from existence but it made me think of that
Oh dear... that is a interesting lore drop. Maria didn't seem much younger when she was on Earth from SXSG so she likely hasn't been on the arc that long. (The baby picture was likely taken on Earth. Like the graduation pic.) Wonder if they'll do anything with this in future games. Though Maria's sister is gonna be at least in her 50's.
I don’t know if this plotline could be in a game but if they ever do another dark beginnings or a canon tv show they could have Shadow find Maria’s sister
maria had a younger sister? wtf. honestly if they named Maria's sister hope I'll love it, not only is that a archie reference just different but it's similar to king sombra and radiant hopes situation in the mlp comics.. shadow and sombra have a lot of similar things. one thing that would be heart breaking is if marias sister hated shadow, straight blamed shadow for the gun raid that killed Maria blamed shadow for being created by a black arms monster that could've led to marias death, blamed shadow for being this suppose cure for maria yet one that never worked and was forced farther away from maria because of it..blamed shadow for being a monster creation left alive while her sister had to die.
That’s literally what I want to see to is shadow make a new connection with Maria’s sister and he’ll protect her from any harm hopefully in the next shadow game we’ll get more information about this sister because I’m really really interested
@@Hehrtsa3977 Baby sister. And the graphics were not the best for showing age at the time. If Maria was 13 fifty years ago, it's possible her sister is in her 40s.
Gerald's Journal mentions that Maria's sister was born after Maria, so idk how she could miss her if she was already aboard the ARK. Unless it's like a sentimental meaning, just including her with the rest of "missing the family". Because the way it was said in the journal the family didn't have faith and Professor Gerald to cure Maria before she died so they had a new kid essentially replacing her.
Entry #162 Gerald conveys his excitement, reflecting on how it feels like just yesterday he was celebrating his sons becoming men, and now he is a grandfather. He describes Maria as perfect in every way, bringing joy to everyone she meets, and declares that she is his legacy. From this day forward, everything he does will be for her. Entry #185 Gerald begins this entry by announcing his most ambitious project: the world's first orbital space station, the Space Colony ARK. He envisions it as a hub for scientific research aimed at improving Earth and a vessel to pass on the values of life and peace to future generations, though he admits he may have been a bit self-indulgent in its design. His primary concern is securing funding, but as a genius, he feels confident he will find a solution. Entry #428 Gerald reports troubling times as Maria has been diagnosed with Neuro-Immune Deficiency Syndrome. With no current cure, he hopes to change that and brings her aboard the ARK for treatment, despite her family's lack of enthusiasm. Fearing she would feel isolated among the researchers, who have all left their families on Earth, he is surprised to find that Maria has become an adoptive daughter to everyone on board, even babysitting the ARK's "happy little accident," a young Abraham Tower. Gerald adds that the president continues to pressure him to explore the mysteries of life, thinking perhaps the president’s funding and influence could aid in creating a cure for Maria. Entry #589 Gerald reflects on Maria growing into a lovely young woman, feeling saddened that someone like her is burdened by a disease. He is also frustrated by the ableism she faces from some researchers regarding her invisible disability. Despite the fear and pain, Maria remains optimistic, expressing her unwavering faith in his ability to cure her and her desire to return to Earth one day. In contrast, her family lacks such confidence. Some researchers have come to believe that Maria was born on the ARK. Her family wants either a cure or her return home, but Gerald feels powerless to fulfill either wish, noting that their scorn feels even harsher than the increasing pressure from the government and military for more weapons research. Entry #670 Gerald announces that Project Shadow is complete, and he has successfully awakened Shadow. He pre-programmed a significant amount of data into his mind, and Shadow’s ability to process and apply this information is impressive. All of his vitals are strong, showing no signs of instability or mutation, unlike the Biolizard. Yet, the triumph of his physical and mental achievements pales in comparison to Shadow’s bond with Maria. Gerald had hoped they would connect, but their relationship is far deeper: she serves as his guide to the world, and he stands as her steadfast companion. He has never witnessed such immediate friendship and trust between two beings, reinforcing his determination in his work. Back on Earth, his son and Maria’s parents have welcomed another girl, who shows none of Maria’s symptoms. While this news is received positively, the unspoken implications are clear: he must save Maria, reunite his family and Shadow is the key to it all.
I hate how people keep saying they "replaced" Maria. The second child likely would have been born anyway, they weren't trying to replace Maria. Another likely explanation is they were trying all that time to have another child and only had one much later. They wanted both their children. And they wanted Gerald to either cure Maria or let them live out the rest of their life with her, not this situation where they couldn't see their daughter at all and have her die separated from them.
Given how eggman is there’s always the chance her sister is evil like eggman Though I bet her parents cherished their only remaining daughter and were very protective
Not even that Maria’s sister is still alive, but that she probably has a child of her own now that’s around the same age or just a few years older than Maria.
Her children would be older: Maria's sister must be in her mid/late fifties by the current timeline, so her children must be adults by now; unless she waited until her late thirties or forties, in which case they might be closer to Maria's age.
@@rikamayhem "mid-to-late 50's" Eh, if anything, she was probably 2 at most when Maria died. She's probably early 50's. Still, any children would be quite young. Its difficult for women to have children in their 40's, though its not technically impossible. More likely is Shadow could either meet her granddaughter that's younger than Maria (same age is very unlikely, but not impossible), or a young woman who resembles a grown up Maria.
@@JaidynReiman Early 50s by SA2, but we can infer it's been another 2-3 years since then by the latest canon. So I think she's at least 54-55 by now; I wonder how that compares to Eggman's age. I agree, though: Shadow would either meet her grown up daughter or her kid granddaughter, resembling Maria either way for emotional impact. Unless the writers want to revive the character concept of that one teen niece of Eggman from the Archie comics lol. But then they'd be fuzzing the timeline ever further.
I think it would most likely be shadow racing against Eggman to find Maria's sister. Why? Idk suspense. In a world with anthropomorphic hedgehogs that go super sayin I'm sure we can make up an excuse why Eggman would want her. Worst case we say he was just being petty
my friend had a cool idea where if the sister was close with maria, the younger sister becomes shadow's rival like his own eggman. a shadow game where shadow has to grow further by mentoring and helping another person get through the grief of maria's death IDK IT'D BE SO COOL
We could also get some remarks about Eggman actually having family, even if just an older cousin. Also, as much as people focus on Maria for Shadow's character, the Professor was basically a father to him and was a notable part in Shadow's initial motivation to hate humanity. Having someone with at least a passing knowledge of having a respected family member suddenly disappear or learn of their fall from grace could help on that front as well. At the very least, she probably would've seen the Sonic Adventure 2 broadcast declaring the ARK would crash and had opinions on it.
After finding out while reading the journal, I thought to myself that if they explored that lore, make it a part of Shadow’s story, be it game or comic, and he comes in contact with Maria’s now grown sister and she herself has a family of her own with a daughter who resembles Maria, perhaps this could give some closure to our rude, edgy boy. LET HIM BE HAPPY TOO 😭😭
Here is the sad part about this. Precisely because the white space is a temporal anomaly , there is a high likely hood that upon the collapse of it, all memories obtained within them will be erased. More ever, what we saw here was potentially the creation of variant timelines. With Shadow arriving at places he hadn't gone to yet. Gerald even says that precisely because he doesn't remember these stages means, these are places in Shadow's FUTURE. The swapping out of the Yellow emerald for the fake one, that's another time line. What I don't get is if these timelines can be created so easily, why can't shadow just create a variant timeline where Maria isn't murdered. I honestly was really hoping this game was going to be a more time travel adventure rather than what it was. But the story was heart breaking because it seems like Ian Flynn gave shadow hope just to rip it away, which is harsh.
To me what's confusing is her not being born in the space colony ARK In SA2 she speaks of the earth like she never been there, fascinated by how it must be, but with SxS now it's a retcon
If her sister is still alive, she’d likely be over 50… and likely never knew what truly happened to Maria, having Shadow meet her would be great for both of them.
My biggest guess towards Maria's sister is that purple haired lady we saw all the way back in TailsTube Episode 1, and they've been stringing us along this whole time.
What if the mysterious pink-haired girl from TailsTube is a Robotnik? She does have a bit of an archaeologist look to her so she may be Maria's sister who may have taken her father's love for archaeology 🤔
We learned Gerald has two sons which is also new information. I was always curious about what's between Gerald and Ivo so I am really glad that we are getting to know more. There is a decent chance that they might still be alive as well.
What I’ve been wondering is if its possible that Topaz is the sister, or at least knows who the sister is. She looks like a young adult in the show but im not sure if her age was ever stated. I found it really interesting too that at the beginning of Gerald’s journal “T”’s note laments especially how she wanted to know more about “gerald and maria” specifically.
@HoldmyApplejuice Yep, she traveled there and had food with her family. Just because Gerald holds baby Maria doesn't mean it was aboard the ARK. She's like 13, I doubt he was up there for 13 straight years.
Thinkin I should say that with folks' different interpretations of when Maria exactly went to the ARK, it's legitimately why I shared the two different ones in this video. 😅 I learn towards how it's said in Gerald's journal where Maria has been on the ARK long enough for researchers to actually think she was born there, so it would suggest that she's been there ever since she was at the very least around three or four.
I'm also thinking the stories Maria tells Shadow about exploring on Earth (ie. Spagonia) was when she was a toddler and Gerald told her about it so she could at least know where she's been before she got on the ARK... or she just had a VERY good memory. And besides, Maria being on the ARK for most of her life adds to the weight of how badly she wanted to go back to Earth, I think!
I appreciate the love yall have been giving this video so so much! 😊
It's possible she goes down to earth occasionally, and expend time with her parents, but as her condition worse the shorter the time she could be there until it becomes impossible, maybe the Spagonia travel was the last time they were all together.
Besides she said 'I miss my baby Sister', meaning she met her, and to that point is a toddler at most, and the younger Maria would be there is 10-11.
It's likely her sister would be introduced later using Commander Tower's as a bridge, for the age gap(around 5 years) I wouldn't be surprised if result being her wife.
PD: it's not confirmed if Abe is married, but we know he have a son/daughter and 2 grandkids.
It's curious but they reintroduce him little by little, inclusive it's implied he gives Shadow, Gerald's diary at some point.
Gerald really said “damn, Maria died. Fuck my grandsons and other granddaughter, I’m gonna destroy the earth for revenge”
let's make this even more heart breaking.
Shadow meets Maria's little sister who now has a daughter, who is now around the age that Maria was at when she died & Maria's sister called her daughter Maria in memory of Maria. Oh & the daughter looks almost like Maria.
literally policenauts story
You said Maria 6 times 💀
MARIAAAAA
At this age, it would likely be a granddaughter
She'd have a daughter at 42 to be Maria's age
If she is still alive, would that mean she'd also carry the Robotnik family name? If so, imagine how embarrassing it must be for her how, every time she tunes into the news, her cousin is threatening to conquer the world, but then he proceeds to get beat up by a blue rat through the power of friendship and magical rocks.
It be hilarant 😂😂😂 the news part would be pretty funny.
But I doubt she still uses Robotnick as her last name. She is over 50(as born before the ark disaster), it's likely to be married, and my bet is they already talk about her family.
maybe because of Eggman's actions, they changed their name to Kintobor...
i REALLY want to know about the extended CANNON robotnik family, like what do they all think of eggman? are they shunned by society because of eggman's actions? do most people even KNOW robotnik is eggman? GAHH I NEED 2 KNOW!!!!!
Canon*
What you put is like a medieval weapon
@@Pacifrisk2015 Yet both achieve the same goal: destroying ships.
@@Justin-qj7fk ok thats HILARIOUS!!
Most people do, he openly went as Robotnik prior to adopting the nickname Sonic gave him. His siblings/other cousins likely have a different name to remove themselves further from him, like Kintobor or Towers- on account of Abraham
@@ashemabahumat4173except that’s only in western releases
He’s always been called Eggman in Japanese, they just made Robotnik the name of his Grandfather to connect the 2 different lores together
For all we know, Eggman is descended from Gerald Robotnik on his mother’s side, and he obtained the Eggman name from his dad
After all, Maria is his cousin, but his sister, meaning that Gerald had at least 2 kids
"Most likely alive"
Considering what happens in this world, I think that's less of a "most likely" and more of a "hopefully"
Honestly I’m just surprised it took them this long for them to remember Earth’s Moon got shot into pieces because of Eggman.
@Broomer52 or that nobody questions that the earth was shot into several continent sized pieces and so far nothing significant happened via the ensuing category 100 earthquake
@@titaniumstar1772 Earth's jus built different in the Sonic universe
I was just listening to that part when I read this 😂
Some more Robotnik Family Angst thoughts:
Maria’s death weighed really heavily on the family for years. In Eggman’s logs in Frontiers, he says even through he never met Maria, he was constantly being compared (or felt like he was compared) to the idealized image of their martyred loved one. It’s implied this is one of the reasons he went over the deep end and became an egomaniacal supervillain.
Now the whole world knows what Gerald Robotnik programmed the ARK to do. What Ivo Robotnik has subjected the planet to. Her family is seen as monsters the world over. Maria’s sister may have forsaken her name and gone into hiding, so when Shadow starts looking, there’s no trace of her.
Ian is really cooking, I fucking love it. Robotnik family drama wasn't what I expected the Sonic series to tackle, but I'm here for it.
Makes me wonder if the Robotnik family have tried to distance themselves from Gerald and Eggman by changing their name and going underground, so as to avoid any scrutiny in the public eye? The family likely heard of Shadow, but probably want nothing to do with him or any association with the past, especially with Gerald.
That would make things difficult, especially if Shadow tried to find Maria's sister....
It would be interesting if they decided to change their last names to Kintobor, I wouldn't mind seeing that plot point return from the Fleetway and Archie Comics
@@markgill346 OMG, I would love if they canonize Hope
@@dancing-bread So would I.
It'd depend on who owns the rights to her @@dancing-bread
Is Gerald still hated even though he came in clutch during the black arms disaster is my question. Cuz I'd be surprised if he were still on everyone's shit list due to no one knowing exactly what was done to him. I'm not saying it's excusable but I'd probably be like "yeah, makes sense. Fuck his grandson tho"
Sega, you can’t just lore drop these things so casually!!! Where is Maria’s sister? Did Shadow ever meet her? We need answers!!!!!
(In starkiller voice):
*WHERE IS SHE?!?!*
Saga: I lied.
@@thatonea-hole she should be 50 years old, my bet is that she is commander Tower's wife.
@@santiagoarrieta2175 abraham: Shadow, your nephew and niece need you to babysit their kids.
@@torinodeguzman4243 hahahhahah
I think it's interesting that Black Doom knew about chaos control cause he's a alien and we now know the emeralds came from space so Black Doom must have know about the aliens from frontiers.
Maria didn't go to the ARK when she was a toddler. She has memories of visiting Spagonia while she was still healthy and on earth. This leads me to believe that actually met her baby sister before she fell ill and was taken to the ARK.
That being said, assuming this baby sister is still alive, this would make her at least 50 years old but younger than 62, since we know Maria was 12 years old when she died 50 years ago, but we don't know when exactly she went to the ARK and saw her baby sister for the last time. Assuming she's still alive today, Maria's sister probably took up her father's passion for archeology, just as Eggman took up his father's passion for robotics.
However there is a certain contradiction - in SA2 she wonders what it's like in Earth. It's only in English version so it could be non-canon mistranslation, but perhaps Maria forgot because of her illness which has "neuro" in the name.
Actually not, is baby sister was born after Maria was sick and in the ark they had her to replace her when she passes away, that was the point were Gerald disowned his son.
@@Gnidelit was a mistranslation in the Japan version it’s not in the script at all.
@@ZeroTaichi "they had to replace her"
That's not at all what it says, and Gerald never disowned his son. You're either misreading it or injecting your own beliefs into it.
If anything, the son was disowning the father. He was furious Gerald was still holding onto Maria and not allowing them to see her. They didn't "replace" Maria. Gerald flat out says in the journal entries: they either way Maria back so they can spend their final days together, or to have her cured. They weren't trying to "replace" Maria by having another child, they wanted both children.
I don't think we ever got Maria's age, did we? The general assumption is 12, but she could be as old as 14 I think.
Maria's baby sister is mentioned in Gerald's Journal as being born after Maria came to the Ark. She was probably at most 4 years old, but more likely between newborn and 1 year. I think it was between Shadow being planned to be created and Shadow being finished, so it couldn't be that long before the Ark Incident and Maria's death.
you probably already know this but that's shadow's plot arc thing in the pre genesis wave archie comics; he finds a long lost relative of maria called hope and bonds with her
RIGHT?! As soon as I found out, I was like "Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute!!!! Maria has a little sister?!?! Where is the story where Shadow goes to find Maria's family or accidentally sees Maria's sister and is shocked by the family resemblance?!"
Shadow doesn't need any more pain, but I agree with AbbyBubbls; get Shadow some therapy, someone to commiserate with who knew Maria and gets it. However, Shadow will never move on if he doesn't face this and only he can choose if he does that or not.
Maria's family isn't exactly Shadow's family because he never knew them and they might not accept him the way Maria did, but it would be interesting to see what the game writers might have in mind (if they're going in this direction).
Just pointing some things out.
1. Eggman in Frontiers states that he was a very lonely child and never could fully grasp the concept of all the adults in his family giving Maria their full attention.
2. Maria looks to be anywhere from 8-12, she WOULD have memories on Earth and WOULD remember meeting her younger sister.
3. Gerald in a later cutscene explains that since Maria's condition (Neuro-Immuno Deficiency Syndrome (NIDS), basically Super AIDS) couldn’t be cured on Earth, he had her moved to the Ark so he could both easily monitor her and stabilise her condition.
Is AIDS the best comparison? Considering how you get it?
This has been building up since Sonic Adventure 2, Eggman mentions in his Egg Memo's(in Sonic Frontiers) that he didn't really know Maria that well(and in SA2 Eggman mentions to Tails that he idolized Gerald as a kid and wanted to be a great scientist like him when he was older) and his family neglected him because they were still mourning Maria's death. I really hope they do something with this and all this recent build up amounts to something and not tossed away.
It's also MASSIVE that we saw Eggman's dad and uncle! Not only were they mentioned, but we actually SAW them in pictures! Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time we have even heard about these characters in the games?
No not really I never heard any sonic games bring up relatives from there family so this is the first to me
I'm glad they did that, because now that Shadow has gained closure with Gerald, Maria, and Black Doom, the next Shadow game could focus on Maria's family.
Funny enough Eggman’s family tree and upbringing has always been interesting to me as both Ivo/Eggman and Maria are cousins but couldn’t be more different in spirit and nature but inherited bits of Gerald’s genius as we know of what Eggman is capable of and Maria was the one who designed Shadow’s Airshoes and the possibility of another Robotnik being around and is possibly alive is a bit of a shock and I have a feeling that this might become relevant info later in the series maybe possibly as a reference or game counterpart to Hope Kintobor/Robotnik
It was fun for me when an Eggman Memo in Frontier mentions Maria and how he felt resentment against Maria because all the love and affection she got and felt like everyone in the family was just ignoring him. He admired his grandpa and wanted to be just like him but also wanted love and respect he felt owed which is probably what led him down the path of an Evil Genius
Shadow wouldn't have any connection with Maria's now 50 year old sister. They were friends, close as family, literally family, depending on how you look at it. But the rest have no meaning to him. Even Eggman he blindsided with the ARK Collison Course plan in SA2, Shadow dngaf about Eggman. And Eggman returned that energy post-SA2.
I'd love to see Eggman's relationship with his family, what they think of him, how they fit into society, etc. And I'd love to see the start of one of them becoming like Eggman or Gerald.
I think that's exactly where the Sonic lore is going: First Eggman creates Sage and gets attached to her. Then a Frontiers memo mentions he "never really knew" Maria, hints at him being jealous of her getting more love from his family and wonders if they saw her like he sees Sage. And now we get a game largely about Maria and Gerald with the reveal that Eggman's still got a living cousin.
They're totally setting up Eggman's family relationships.
Depends on if Maria's sister has a granddaughter that deeply resembles her or not.
Eggman was just her cousin or something, this would be a much closer blood connection, and that might matter.
It would help Shadow so much for him to meet Maria's little sister, and possibly her daughter since when Shadow was initially captured he was put away for 50 years before being released by Eggman. Thinking of him talking to her and meeting possibly a daughter of the sister, explaining who he is and what Maria was like just my FEELS, it's too good SEGA please make a short series about this. It's so real and good to show a healthy way of working through trauma via television.
Not just little sister but full grown little sister, who could have had her own child who is full grown and has their _own_ child. Maria's sister, neice/nephew, and grandneice/nephew.
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The possible daughter of the sister is Topaz
The image of Gerald holding baby Maria is most likely just him meeting her for the first time, on Earth, his journal entry specifies that she had just been born and he was happy to meet her.
1:01 that's definitely not the case, there was a cutscene with Gerald and Maria in the hospital, i guess that was the moment, where he decided to take Maria to ARK and she looked more or less the same, so she definitely was old enough.
I almost wanted to believe that both Maria's appearance in this game and in SA2/Shadow the Hedgehog is accurate. Gerald mentions Maria developing into a young woman, so she did grow a bit while aboard the Ark. This game depicts her as appearing younger than in SA2/Shadow the Hedgehog. However, the timing doesn't work because of the Black Comet, unless we assume that the "50 years ago" is not a fully accurate time period and is just an approximation.
I think Maria in the hospital doesn't look much younger just because they're keeping one Maria design and not showing multiple ages for her. She had to have been on the Ark for at least a couple of years.
Shadow: arent you maria?
Maria: im not your mary
Shadow meeting Maria sister would be really awesome story and super interesting in my opinion
Same bro
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"what's the ideal first date?"
"So we sit down for dinner and she says... "
My head Canon is that Some Random Character ordinary Somehow finds The Seal of Mephiles,
And they Just Go on Some Chaotic Journey throughout the Franchise.
Lego DC Supervillain style.
Time to update the family tree
*retcon
It's both fitting and very likely that the rest of the Robotnik Family secluded themselves from society after both the events of The Ark and when Eggman declared war on the world to takeover.
This would explain why we only ever get information on Gerald and Maria.
Eggman likely also got disowned by his family which could be another reason he adopts the Dr. Eggman name. Both to protect his family, and to give himself his own name because he wants to be independent.
Gerald's journal also confirms that his sons grew apart later on. So they grew apart long before Eggman rose to power.
I DONT NEED SLEEP I NEED ANSWERS
I’m going to like this simply for the perfect use of the “something just happened” xD
Shadow meets Marias sister, Maria's sister has a daughter that looks just like Maria and is named Maria, personality wise though probably vastly different
It would fit thematically aswell, SA2 and Heroes was about discovering the past, Shadow The Hedgehog and Sonic 06 were about him moving on from the past, and Shadow Generations is about embracing his past and being able to live with his new life while still missing Maria and his old life. This hypothetical new game about Maria's sister would essentially be the final chapter of Shadows story and would honestly be the perfect ending.
I'm imagining this edgy brooding hedgehog having a therapy session with this mid 50s grandma and maybe we do need that.
I see very little point in mentioning Maria had sister unless they would want to develop this story plot in the future ?:0
We'll see I guess.
okay, maybe im just nuts and reaching at straws here. Buuuuuut, could this be a psuedo-refrence to Hope from the Archie comics?
Robotnik family reunion with Eggman and Sage on one side, Maria's sister on the other, and Shadow in the middle PLEASE
man this game made me cry for Maria and Shadow we are so back 😭
"Points a gun at Sega"
WHERE IS SHE ?!!
There's already some inconsistencies between Sonic X Shadow Generations, Dark Beginnings, and Gerald's Journal.
The Maria sister age thing.
Shadow breaking into GUN and stealing a rocket, then him telling Rouge in the game that he is on a mission from GUN.
Etc.
Him being on a GUN mission is more in line with previous continuity than him breaking into GUN. You know, him being a GUN agent in '06 and all (no, the internal retcon wouldn't negate that happening, his agent status predates the start of '06).
@ShadwSonic 2 Things:
A. Can you cite for me when Shadow joined GUN? I thought that was 06 ngl.
B. Instead of just asking, Shadow attacked and stole a rocket ship to go to the ARK to investigate something of his own volition. Then in SXSG he says "GUN sent me on a mission". The Only Possible way this could make sense is if after he attacked and stole the ship anyway GUN asked him to check something out aboard the ARK since he was already there. And that's still a pretty stupid explanation.
@TheBoneHeadClan Well, in his own game, you can unlock an Expert Mode. The justification for this is that it's some form of training taking place after the main game... but since some locales don't exist anymore (Black Comet), this has to be VR.
Moreover, both the President and the GUN Commander pop in to say things, so this isn't just some exercise that Tails whipped up or something.
Next we see of him, Shadow is mid-mission for GUN in '06.
@@TheBoneHeadClan He doesn’t say GUN sent him there just that they a detected a bio signature there and since Shadow wanted to go there they probably ran a bio scan found something and told Shadow.
@@dumbguyontheinternet7641 That's true.
I've been thinking about this as well! I really hope that they'll do something with it.
I'm pretty sure that Maria didn't move to the ARK when she was a toddler, but rather as a kid? And maybe she saw her baby sister before leaving.
Can’t wait for Shadow 2 and it’s all about him protecting Daria, Maria’s edgier and darker sibling.
People also use the phrase "Baby Sister/Brother" to refer to a younger sibling, doesn't necessarily imply a literal baby.
I believe in the Archie comics Eggman had another cousin named Hope who was younger than Maria, maybe it could be a reference to her?
Hope was his niece and his nephew Snively's half-sister.
We also get to see what Maria and Eggman‘s dad’s look like when they graduated school and we don’t know which is which but it would be interesting for Maria’s sister to be introduced in a subsequent game and for her to meet shadow and Abe Towers, and have some therapy about it
The maria's sister thing also made me go nuts
So get this, we might know exactly WHO Gerald's other granddaughter is.
In Gerald's Journal before the actual journal starts there is a note from someone called T, they are from the Archival & requisitions department of G.U.N.
What they are isn't important, what is important is a line in the note "It's a pity (that Gerald's journal is damaged and missing information) I would have very much liked to have greater insight into Gerald and Maria's lives too."
For a scientist learning about Gerald is understanding, but why Maria unless they have a certain connection to them.
Maria and her sister never met, her sister was born while Maria was already on the ark, so if this T person is Maria's sister, it's understandable she would want to learn about a sister and grandfather she never got to know.
SEGA! Give more Robotniks and my life is yours!!
I kinda want a future Shadow game where Shadow gets hurt part way into the story and is found and nursed back to health only to wake up to a girl similar in appearance, age and personality but with differences. He founds out the girl is the Maria's niece and that she and her mom, Maria's sister helped him. He has to wait until he is healed so a bond starts to form, then they end up involved because they genuinely want to help so by the end of the game Shadow is shown going to their home for dinner and being treated like family, like an uncle.
To look like Maria may need to be a granddaughter. Remember, Abe is a grandfather and he was a kid then.
@@JosephJohns-xi1qb ah true.
Some are hoping that through her sister, we get the equivalent to Hope Kintobor from Archie comics, maybe as a grandchild. In the comics, she was a close friend to Shadow who reminded him of Maria.
ngl this video captures the exact same *essence* as a 2015 gamer girl animating
The way spoilers were avoided on this video's title & thumbnail is hilarious!
A part of me thinks this is some wink and nod to the old Sonic comics where we got to see the extended Robotnik family and Shadow became friends with a distant relative of Maria's who looks nearly identical to her but with a more tomboy look.
I doubt they'd use the same character for the games since the comics cast has been wiped from existence but it made me think of that
It would be interesting if they added that in because they have plans to introduce her in Sonic the Hedgehog 3.
Brings to mind Hope Robotnik from the Archie comics.
Imagine if this is the canon Hope Kintobor…
THEY CANT LEAVE US ON DAT NOTE DJXBSJSNDB NEEDA KNOW ABT DA ROBOTNIK BROS & MARIAS SIBLINGS
MARIA HAS A SISTER?!???!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!?!! I need to start digging through the game.
I am wrecked... She has a sister....omg I am tears.
Oh dear... that is a interesting lore drop. Maria didn't seem much younger when she was on Earth from SXSG so she likely hasn't been on the arc that long. (The baby picture was likely taken on Earth. Like the graduation pic.) Wonder if they'll do anything with this in future games. Though Maria's sister is gonna be at least in her 50's.
I don’t know if this plotline could be in a game but if they ever do another dark beginnings or a canon tv show they could have Shadow find Maria’s sister
Least adhd Sonic fan:
maria had a younger sister? wtf.
honestly if they named Maria's sister hope I'll love it, not only is that a archie reference just different but it's similar to king sombra and radiant hopes situation in the mlp comics.. shadow and sombra have a lot of similar things.
one thing that would be heart breaking is if marias sister hated shadow, straight blamed shadow for the gun raid that killed Maria blamed shadow for being created by a black arms monster that could've led to marias death, blamed shadow for being this suppose cure for maria yet one that never worked and was forced farther away from maria because of it..blamed shadow for being a monster creation left alive while her sister had to die.
unrelated but this video spooked me when i clicked on it because you sound like me lmao
oh god you actually sound almost exactly like me this is horrifying
ANYWAY cool video!! i didnt notice this lore drop in my speed watch of the game
Imagine if they introduced Maria’s sister as another evil genius like Eggman
So you're saying, Eggman has a surviving cousin that lives as a civilian this whole time?
That’s literally what I want to see to is shadow make a new connection with Maria’s sister and he’ll protect her from any harm hopefully in the next shadow game we’ll get more information about this sister because I’m really really interested
I don’t think Maria went to the Ark as a toddler. She likely spent her first 10 years of life on earth.
Yeah, at her youngest she probably was brought to the Ark at 8.
Fan Theory: It's the President's secretary because they kind of look alike and debut in the same game.
She's too young to be Maria's sister
@@Hehrtsa3977 Baby sister. And the graphics were not the best for showing age at the time. If Maria was 13 fifty years ago, it's possible her sister is in her 40s.
This is a silly theory
@@shady5595 It absolutely is. I just always thought it was odd she had her own wallpaper in the game.
@Fairfieldfencer Honestly neat theory. Nothing wrong with it. If anything it'd be like, "No way this whole time it was her" for the audience.
Gerald's Journal mentions that Maria's sister was born after Maria, so idk how she could miss her if she was already aboard the ARK. Unless it's like a sentimental meaning, just including her with the rest of "missing the family".
Because the way it was said in the journal the family didn't have faith and Professor Gerald to cure Maria before she died so they had a new kid essentially replacing her.
Entry #162
Gerald conveys his excitement, reflecting on how it feels like just yesterday he was celebrating his sons becoming men, and now he is a grandfather. He describes Maria as perfect in every way, bringing joy to everyone she meets, and declares that she is his legacy. From this day forward, everything he does will be for her.
Entry #185
Gerald begins this entry by announcing his most ambitious project: the world's first orbital space station, the Space Colony ARK. He envisions it as a hub for scientific research aimed at improving Earth and a vessel to pass on the values of life and peace to future generations, though he admits he may have been a bit self-indulgent in its design. His primary concern is securing funding, but as a genius, he feels confident he will find a solution.
Entry #428
Gerald reports troubling times as Maria has been diagnosed with Neuro-Immune Deficiency Syndrome. With no current cure, he hopes to change that and brings her aboard the ARK for treatment, despite her family's lack of enthusiasm. Fearing she would feel isolated among the researchers, who have all left their families on Earth, he is surprised to find that Maria has become an adoptive daughter to everyone on board, even babysitting the ARK's "happy little accident," a young Abraham Tower. Gerald adds that the president continues to pressure him to explore the mysteries of life, thinking perhaps the president’s funding and influence could aid in creating a cure for Maria.
Entry #589
Gerald reflects on Maria growing into a lovely young woman, feeling saddened that someone like her is burdened by a disease. He is also frustrated by the ableism she faces from some researchers regarding her invisible disability. Despite the fear and pain, Maria remains optimistic, expressing her unwavering faith in his ability to cure her and her desire to return to Earth one day. In contrast, her family lacks such confidence. Some researchers have come to believe that Maria was born on the ARK. Her family wants either a cure or her return home, but Gerald feels powerless to fulfill either wish, noting that their scorn feels even harsher than the increasing pressure from the government and military for more weapons research.
Entry #670
Gerald announces that Project Shadow is complete, and he has successfully awakened Shadow. He pre-programmed a significant amount of data into his mind, and Shadow’s ability to process and apply this information is impressive. All of his vitals are strong, showing no signs of instability or mutation, unlike the Biolizard.
Yet, the triumph of his physical and mental achievements pales in comparison to Shadow’s bond with Maria. Gerald had hoped they would connect, but their relationship is far deeper: she serves as his guide to the world, and he stands as her steadfast companion. He has never witnessed such immediate friendship and trust between two beings, reinforcing his determination in his work.
Back on Earth, his son and Maria’s parents have welcomed another girl, who shows none of Maria’s symptoms. While this news is received positively, the unspoken implications are clear: he must save Maria, reunite his family and Shadow is the key to it all.
I hate how people keep saying they "replaced" Maria. The second child likely would have been born anyway, they weren't trying to replace Maria. Another likely explanation is they were trying all that time to have another child and only had one much later.
They wanted both their children. And they wanted Gerald to either cure Maria or let them live out the rest of their life with her, not this situation where they couldn't see their daughter at all and have her die separated from them.
@JaidynReiman Gerald talks like thry have no faith in him, his family is goreing apart, worst fears, etc. I'd say reread it
I am so so so glad I am not the only one brainrotting about these two still. I want Shadow to have more friends so bad
Eggman got a living cousin. Meaning Sage got a living Aunt.
Given how eggman is there’s always the chance her sister is evil like eggman
Though I bet her parents cherished their only remaining daughter and were very protective
Eggman's family split from Maria's family in the past. Gerald makes mention of this.
You know this is a good way to make hope kintobor from the archie comics cannon.
Im pretty sure maria was only brought to the ark shortly after her condition started to develop. She even says she misses the food on earth
Not even that Maria’s sister is still alive, but that she probably has a child of her own now that’s around the same age or just a few years older than Maria.
Her children would be older: Maria's sister must be in her mid/late fifties by the current timeline, so her children must be adults by now; unless she waited until her late thirties or forties, in which case they might be closer to Maria's age.
@@rikamayhem "mid-to-late 50's"
Eh, if anything, she was probably 2 at most when Maria died. She's probably early 50's. Still, any children would be quite young. Its difficult for women to have children in their 40's, though its not technically impossible. More likely is Shadow could either meet her granddaughter that's younger than Maria (same age is very unlikely, but not impossible), or a young woman who resembles a grown up Maria.
@@JaidynReiman Early 50s by SA2, but we can infer it's been another 2-3 years since then by the latest canon. So I think she's at least 54-55 by now; I wonder how that compares to Eggman's age.
I agree, though: Shadow would either meet her grown up daughter or her kid granddaughter, resembling Maria either way for emotional impact.
Unless the writers want to revive the character concept of that one teen niece of Eggman from the Archie comics lol. But then they'd be fuzzing the timeline ever further.
I will say, every time black doom showed I kept having the shadow fan dub pop into my head with "Hey! :D it's me, da devil from da bible"
I think it would most likely be shadow racing against Eggman to find Maria's sister. Why? Idk suspense. In a world with anthropomorphic hedgehogs that go super sayin I'm sure we can make up an excuse why Eggman would want her. Worst case we say he was just being petty
Knowing Shadow's tragic past? He's never meeting her. Or if he does-... Uh oh.
my friend had a cool idea where if the sister was close with maria, the younger sister becomes shadow's rival like his own eggman. a shadow game where shadow has to grow further by mentoring and helping another person get through the grief of maria's death IDK IT'D BE SO COOL
We could also get some remarks about Eggman actually having family, even if just an older cousin. Also, as much as people focus on Maria for Shadow's character, the Professor was basically a father to him and was a notable part in Shadow's initial motivation to hate humanity. Having someone with at least a passing knowledge of having a respected family member suddenly disappear or learn of their fall from grace could help on that front as well. At the very least, she probably would've seen the Sonic Adventure 2 broadcast declaring the ARK would crash and had opinions on it.
The little sister and Eggman will go on Rick and Morty style adventures. Watch, I bet that's exactly whats going to happen.
After finding out while reading the journal, I thought to myself that if they explored that lore, make it a part of Shadow’s story, be it game or comic, and he comes in contact with Maria’s now grown sister and she herself has a family of her own with a daughter who resembles Maria, perhaps this could give some closure to our rude, edgy boy. LET HIM BE HAPPY TOO 😭😭
Here is the sad part about this. Precisely because the white space is a temporal anomaly , there is a high likely hood that upon the collapse of it, all memories obtained within them will be erased. More ever, what we saw here was potentially the creation of variant timelines. With Shadow arriving at places he hadn't gone to yet. Gerald even says that precisely because he doesn't remember these stages means, these are places in Shadow's FUTURE. The swapping out of the Yellow emerald for the fake one, that's another time line. What I don't get is if these timelines can be created so easily, why can't shadow just create a variant timeline where Maria isn't murdered.
I honestly was really hoping this game was going to be a more time travel adventure rather than what it was. But the story was heart breaking because it seems like Ian Flynn gave shadow hope just to rip it away, which is harsh.
To me what's confusing is her not being born in the space colony ARK
In SA2 she speaks of the earth like she never been there, fascinated by how it must be, but with SxS now it's a retcon
Your hyper fixation is so endearing XD LMAO
3:06 ... where is that clip from pleaseeee
I edited it! Each audio clip is respectively from SaltyDKDan's Kart Racers Brainrot video and Snapcube's Shadow the Hedgehog Real-Time Fandub!
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This is a sadder thought that Maria's parents gave up on her and had her sister as a replacement....
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YES EXACTLY I THOUGHT THIS TOO WHEN I PLAYED THE GAME!!!!
If her sister is still alive, she’d likely be over 50… and likely never knew what truly happened to Maria, having Shadow meet her would be great for both of them.
hey you have no right to make me sad in 3 mins
Ian Flynn on his way to send you an invitation to SEGA HQ:
$500 on my desk at this very moment, Mr. SEGA, PLEASE
My biggest guess towards Maria's sister is that purple haired lady we saw all the way back in TailsTube Episode 1, and they've been stringing us along this whole time.
What if the mysterious pink-haired girl from TailsTube is a Robotnik? She does have a bit of an archaeologist look to her so she may be Maria's sister who may have taken her father's love for archaeology 🤔
We learned Gerald has two sons which is also new information. I was always curious about what's between Gerald and Ivo so I am really glad that we are getting to know more. There is a decent chance that they might still be alive as well.
Yeah learning about that Gerald has two sons and Maria saying she has a sister left me speechless now I need to know what there names are
2:13 i don't think she went to the ARK as a baby, pretty sure that is gerald holding her on earth
What I’ve been wondering is if its possible that Topaz is the sister, or at least knows who the sister is. She looks like a young adult in the show but im not sure if her age was ever stated. I found it really interesting too that at the beginning of Gerald’s journal “T”’s note laments especially how she wanted to know more about “gerald and maria” specifically.
i think there's a line where you can talk to maria and she says something along the lines of going to spagonia, not sure if that helps.
@HoldmyApplejuice Yep, she traveled there and had food with her family. Just because Gerald holds baby Maria doesn't mean it was aboard the ARK. She's like 13, I doubt he was up there for 13 straight years.
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I'm 100% sure they dropped this cause it's gonna be a plot point in the movie
Eggman Nega wishing he came from Maria’s side of the family instead of the other lol