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  • Опубліковано 26 сер 2019
  • Tom Crawford (sporting a Navier-Stokes tattoo) talks about the famed equations - subject of a $1m Millennium Prize.
    Part 2 (Reynolds Number): • Reynolds Number - Numb...
    Part 3 (River Water): • Where Does River Water...
    More links & stuff in full description below ↓↓↓
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  • @numberphile
    @numberphile  4 роки тому +197

    Full Playlist: bit.ly/NavierPlaylist
    Part 1 (Navier-Stokes): ua-cam.com/video/ERBVFcutl3M/v-deo.html
    Part 2 (Reynolds Number): ua-cam.com/video/wtIhVwPruwY/v-deo.html
    Part 3 (River Water): ua-cam.com/video/5mGh0r3zC6Y/v-deo.html

    • @ssmith8828
      @ssmith8828 3 роки тому

      A mathematician named Agostino Prástaro claimed that he solved it, is it true?

    • @MrMawnster
      @MrMawnster 3 роки тому

      Could that new bit of work by Martin Hairier who just won the Breakthrough prize be applied to turbulence for modeling that in these equations? Would that be the best we can get as an averaging the random turbulence? Maybe it's not totally deterministic and we're stuck with that's the best for along time kind of like the QM/QFT stuff. Lol I bet one day we find a connection there too in how those individual points behave. Some QM behavior in say modeling turbulence in fluids

    • @RockBrentwood
      @RockBrentwood 3 роки тому

      D00d?! Really? If you're gonna tatoo equations, at least put them back together. The Transport Laws:
      ∂ρ⁄∂t + ∇·(ρ𝐯) = 0
      ∂(ρ𝐯)⁄∂t + ∇·(ρ𝐯𝐯 + ℙ) = ρ𝐅
      ∂(½ρv² + 𝒰)⁄∂t + ∇·((½ρv² + 𝒰)𝐯 + ℙ·𝐯 + 𝐐) = ρ𝐅·𝐯
      ℙ = p𝕀 - ½μ(∇𝐯 + 𝐯∇⁺)
      (∂/∂t + 𝐯·∇)ρ = 0
      where ∇⁺ is ∇ applied to the left, and where the second to last equation is restricted to the "Navier-Stokes" stress tensor, and the last equation to incompressible fluids ... so those two equations go onto another part of the body and are impressed only with lick-on tattoo decals.
      Nobody's going to be solving the equations in generality by ripping them apart and restricting them to special cases. They gotta be handled all together as a single entity, not split and ripped. And you also have the transport laws for the other kinematic symmetry group Noether charges: angular momentum and "moving mass moment". Those figure prominently in fluid dynamics, too! (Think: vortices.) And dropping them totally muddies the picture.
      Oh .... if we solve them first, nobody's winning the prize. The bounty will be refused. Just to give you a head's up.

    • @emanmoba
      @emanmoba 3 роки тому

      @11:02 Reynolds Average N.S equations are averaged in time not space.

    • @tadhgofogartaigh
      @tadhgofogartaigh 3 роки тому

      💕

  • @DocteurZeuhl
    @DocteurZeuhl 4 роки тому +5762

    I spent my PhD working on Navier-Stokes, but instead of tattooing the damn formulas on myself, I celebrated the end of my PhD by writing them on a piece of cardboard and setting fire to it while drinking vodka.
    EDIT: This is my most liked comment of all time. The world is a silly place

    • @michaeldamolsen
      @michaeldamolsen 4 роки тому +321

      Yes, I can see how that might be awkward to do with a tattoo.

    • @Saxshoe
      @Saxshoe 4 роки тому +69

      "why'd you do it?"
      "Well......................."

    • @TheEasyRail
      @TheEasyRail 4 роки тому +121

      @Docteur Zeuhl I can see how that night could have ended up with the equation tattoo on the body

    • @intfxdx
      @intfxdx 4 роки тому +66

      My PhD also dealt heavily with Navier-Stokes :) I made a bonfire with old notes

    • @IoT_
      @IoT_ 4 роки тому +22

      Are you from Russia?)

  • @tulasdanslecubitus21
    @tulasdanslecubitus21 4 роки тому +3770

    So after his beef with Eminem, Machine Gun Kelly found a career in fluid mechanics.

    • @saumitjin5526
      @saumitjin5526 4 роки тому +24

      XDD

    • @saumitjin5526
      @saumitjin5526 4 роки тому +425

      Still wouldn't be able to beat Eminem's flow

    • @ElTurbinado
      @ElTurbinado 4 роки тому +10

      Lolll

    • @AirNeat
      @AirNeat 4 роки тому +8

      They don't even look close to similar

    • @amitv9128
      @amitv9128 4 роки тому +20

      @@saumitjin5526 this comment is more amusing than the navier stokes equation

  • @adamgray9212
    @adamgray9212 4 роки тому +1620

    Physicists and engineers: "Why can't you just be normal?"
    Mathematicians: *Screaming*

    • @lopkobor6916
      @lopkobor6916 4 роки тому +17

      RRREEEEEEEEEEEE

    • @mellinghedd267
      @mellinghedd267 4 роки тому +173

      Mathematicians: Everything must work together, that's how math works.
      Physicists: If the math doesn't work out then we need to reevaluate what we're doing
      Engineers: pi=e=3, g=10, f=ma, every body is rigid, and exponents can be approximated as multiplication.

    • @calencrawford2195
      @calencrawford2195 4 роки тому +4

      @@mellinghedd267 lol

    • @is-ig4zh
      @is-ig4zh 4 роки тому +2

      mathematiciants : AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • @ipovaric
      @ipovaric 3 роки тому +30

      @@mellinghedd267 Hahaha In theory, theory and practice are the same...in practice they are not. As an engineer, I laughed at your joke and have heard many like it. They illustrate the different pressures engineers in industry experience vs. a mathematician or a physicist working on a thesis or a paper. At the end of the day, the engineer typically has to deliver a product or a result, and deadlines have a way of stripping out all the information other than what's relevant to your current goal.

  • @HavasiP
    @HavasiP 4 роки тому +696

    I'm jealous of this guy. Not of his intelligence (maybe a little) but of his passion and enthusiasm. I would like to know what that feels like.

    • @davidobenitez3866
      @davidobenitez3866 3 роки тому +32

      It’s amazing, but im not a Navier Stokes Equations guy as much as I am Maxwells Equations guy

    • @biashacker5542
      @biashacker5542 3 роки тому +12

      It feels like ever lasting curiosity

    • @sharrick1208
      @sharrick1208 3 роки тому +14

      I'd just like to not be suicidal on a regular basis lol having passion and enthusiasm is like a dream

    • @sharrick1208
      @sharrick1208 3 роки тому +2

      @Train 2noplace lol you have no idea how many I take

    • @user-mv1hv5ce3b
      @user-mv1hv5ce3b 3 роки тому +10

      @@sharrick1208 I’m sorry you’re dealing with that /:

  • @jmcbresilfr
    @jmcbresilfr 4 роки тому +1033

    10:34 "We kinda find ways to cheat."
    Math in physics described in one sentence.

    • @TheAkantor
      @TheAkantor 4 роки тому +76

      "exp(x) = 1+x for small x" - Physics in a nutshell

    • @nicholaslau3194
      @nicholaslau3194 4 роки тому +53

      @@TheAkantor sinx=x

    • @dynamight34
      @dynamight34 4 роки тому +4

      I absolutely hate when they do that :(

    • @vatsdimri3675
      @vatsdimri3675 4 роки тому +73

      @@dynamight34You're gonna hate it even more if they don't do it.

    • @lynk5902
      @lynk5902 4 роки тому +40

      You mean it's not ok to assume a horse is a sphere to make the math easier?

  • @numberphile
    @numberphile  4 роки тому +1257

    More with Tom Crawford on this topic is coming soon.

    • @esotericVideos
      @esotericVideos 4 роки тому +15

      Does he have a matching tattoo?

    • @tonygrace2735
      @tonygrace2735 4 роки тому +9

      Dr Hanna Fry's phD was about that...

    • @MrMineHeads.
      @MrMineHeads. 4 роки тому +5

      Yes please

    • @turkosicsaba
      @turkosicsaba 4 роки тому

      I thought Numberphile was about maths and Sixty Symbols, about physics.
      Why did you decide to post a physics video on the maths channel?

    • @frognik79
      @frognik79 4 роки тому +2

      no thanks

  • @marcodesanti9304
    @marcodesanti9304 4 роки тому +786

    Navier-Stokes - Invokes Tears
    Anagrams are too real sometimes...

  • @ondermetu
    @ondermetu 3 роки тому +120

    What a flow like narration, full of enthusiasm and fluent as much as nature taking its course

  • @Rotem_S
    @Rotem_S 4 роки тому +2384

    "describes any fluid on earth" *uses the incompressible formulation*

    • @wansichen3743
      @wansichen3743 4 роки тому +220

      exactly my thought when i see a math channel doing physics topic

    • @wansichen3743
      @wansichen3743 4 роки тому +37

      and a bit fail at it tbh in my opinion

    • @SO-dl2pv
      @SO-dl2pv 4 роки тому +350

      Actually, besides of that, the given equation is valid only for Newtonian fluids.

    • @blue-pi2kt
      @blue-pi2kt 4 роки тому +76

      One must always start somewhere. It is only step by step, you can complete the impossible.

    • @wolfyklassen
      @wolfyklassen 4 роки тому +184

      ​@@SO-dl2pv Which is funny since there was a bottle of ketchup in the cartoon when he said "think of any fluid"

  • @collintmay
    @collintmay 4 роки тому +417

    That image of ketchup at 9:30 is actually a special case of the Navier-Stokes equations. Ketchup is a shear-thinning fluid, meaning that, in simple terms, it's a special type of non-Newtonian fluid that becomes less viscous as it is disturbed, then returns to some baseline thickness when you stop disturbing it. There is a modified form of the N-S equations which can handle fluids that get thicker or thinner as they are handled, but it is not covered in this video. Food for thought!

    • @zubin8010
      @zubin8010 4 роки тому +16

      My guess is that the ketchup/lava images were added in post-production, because they aren't mentioned at all, just shown as accompaniment

    • @nathanashley2693
      @nathanashley2693 3 роки тому +9

      I'm currently doing research into non-newtonian shear thinning fluids and ketchup is the classic example.

    • @Henryguitar95
      @Henryguitar95 3 роки тому

      Are you sure about that? He said ice flow would count, even gas. So I’m not quite sure I trust you on this one.

    • @rvsen5351
      @rvsen5351 3 роки тому

      @@Henryguitar95 It would work. I just guess that the part where viscosity is handled would get a lot more complicated, because it isn't constant as it is implied in the video.

    • @markel-masry2389
      @markel-masry2389 3 роки тому

      Interesting, at my uni, we are being not being taught that it could also describe non Newtonian fluids too.

  • @catherinebrower3560
    @catherinebrower3560 4 роки тому +283

    "Further our understanding of Nevier-Stokes equations"
    translation
    "Plz halp" - science

    • @andy-kg5fb
      @andy-kg5fb 2 роки тому +4

      Navier* not nevier

    • @johnbiluke8406
      @johnbiluke8406 2 роки тому +3

      @@andy-kg5fb Pointless comment.

    • @andy-kg5fb
      @andy-kg5fb 2 роки тому

      @@johnbiluke8406 -->

    • @adi8oii
      @adi8oii 4 місяці тому

      I mean really all open-to-research questions can be described as a call for help, no?

  • @billyjames3046
    @billyjames3046 4 роки тому +541

    Omg this is my tutor at Oxford 😆 he’s amazing btw

    • @brainmind4070
      @brainmind4070 4 роки тому +18

      He seems like a cool guy, but the format of these "-phile" videos kind of makes me hate him a little.

    • @samgentle
      @samgentle 4 роки тому +188

      @edward Lol yeah he might have a PhD in mathematics but I have a PhD in not getting a tattoo so who's the genius now?

    • @brainmind4070
      @brainmind4070 4 роки тому +6

      @@billyjames3046 Um, I think you're going after the wrong person, Billy. Sam was being sarcastic.

    • @Cory_Springer
      @Cory_Springer 4 роки тому +18

      My cat has a PhD in not getting a tattoo.

    • @WorldisArt
      @WorldisArt 4 роки тому +26

      ...so is your tutor single? 😆

  • @Maniclout
    @Maniclout 4 роки тому +2113

    Who else thought his rho's look like integrals?

    • @aianvigare1158
      @aianvigare1158 4 роки тому +126

      Everyone.

    • @andymcl92
      @andymcl92 4 роки тому +48

      Who else thought he drew the partial derivative symbols from the wrong end?

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 4 роки тому +5

      @@andymcl92 isnt that a bit petty?

    • @andymcl92
      @andymcl92 4 роки тому +20

      @@wierdalien1 Petty? I was just surprised. It's like how Michael from Vsauce draws 8 as two circles, as in draw the top circle then draws the bottom circle.

    • @gregoryfenn1462
      @gregoryfenn1462 4 роки тому +1

      @@andymcl92 What do you mean? You start in the middle and spiral outwards, that's what he did..

  • @Garbaz
    @Garbaz 4 роки тому +2382

    Funnily enough, Nabla isn't a Greek letter. It's a made up symbol named after the Greek word for a harp.
    Sorry, had to be that guy :/

    • @hugoburton5222
      @hugoburton5222 4 роки тому +84

      Yeah. Well it is derived from upper delta.

    • @DocteurZeuhl
      @DocteurZeuhl 4 роки тому +94

      Some people still call it atled, actually.

    • @davideranieri5553
      @davideranieri5553 4 роки тому +80

      *the Hebrew word for a particular kind of triangular harp, the "nebel". So, it's got nothing to do with Greek at all (unless you call it "anadelta" but nobody does that).

    • @unflexian
      @unflexian 4 роки тому +40

      @@davideranieri5553 That doesn't mean it comes from Hebrew, it could be the other way around, like how the word נרקיס (Narcissus) comes from greek mythology.

    • @arcuscotangens
      @arcuscotangens 4 роки тому +25

      Don't feel bad. Someone had to do it, might as well be you.

  • @acerovalderas
    @acerovalderas 4 роки тому +36

    This mathematician is excellent. Extremely clear and joyful. I would like to see more videos of him.

  • @kdawg3484
    @kdawg3484 4 роки тому +45

    Chemical engineer here, so I spent plenty of personal time with the Navier-Stokes equations in Transport Phenomena my junior year. I know mathematicians love pure answers, but using these equations is all about making simplifications and assumptions and setting the right conditions to reduce them to something usable. And doing that requires making extremely smart choices. Probably the most memorable thing from that class for me was going through a famous reduction of the equations, removing insignificant terms and making various assumptions, until the equations could actually be solved analytically. This was first figured out way before computers. The elegance with which these brilliant engineers reduced these equations to a solvable form was, in my opinion, legitimately beautiful. It's similar to how the Schrodinger Equation can be solved exactly for hydrogen. These people had incredible minds.
    I would actually watch a dozen or more videos of different simplifications for the N-S equations depending on the context. It requires great ingenuity and can go off in all different directions. That's probably a little equation-y for Numberphile, which is fine, but if some other channel wants to do that, I'm all for it.

    • @SonnyBubba
      @SonnyBubba 8 місяців тому

      All those different directions is why the equations get so complicated.
      A pure closed form solution to Navier Stokes would give you the motion of a 5 cm eddy within a hurricane, as well as the motion of the hurricane.

    • @youssef16844
      @youssef16844 4 місяці тому +1

      You're missing the point though. It's not about practicality, which is "solved". It's about the edge cases where the laws of physics should be making sense but they don't, such as the inifinite speed example at the end of the video. I agree with the interviewee that there's probably a new form of mathematics, which we just haven't developed yet, which will explain those edge cases. Which could also be applied to the Riemann hypothesis and likely the other unsolved Millenium problems. If there exists such a new form of mathematics, it can then also be applied to physics and engineering.

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 роки тому +543

    0:02
    When you want to cheat on your test but used permanent Sharpie instead.

    • @mathevideos9909
      @mathevideos9909 4 роки тому +3

      I lol'd 😂

    • @AcieVODS
      @AcieVODS 4 роки тому

      *Tattoo gun

    • @entangledmindcells9359
      @entangledmindcells9359 4 роки тому

      if your going to try and cheat.. give the tattoo guy a clue and tell him you need it small and inconspicuous

    • @lPlanetarizado
      @lPlanetarizado 4 роки тому +1

      damn this guy is everywhere lol

    • @MrTVx99
      @MrTVx99 4 роки тому +1

      Wtf I see you on every bodybuilding and gym channel and you are here too

  • @hansb1337
    @hansb1337 4 роки тому +218

    You know you're dealing with serious science when you have to ask which way round to read the equation.

    • @athitham96
      @athitham96 Рік тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣after all the explanation man asked which way to read

  • @lborate3543
    @lborate3543 4 роки тому +3

    I love Tom’s excitement, and passion for the topic. Bravisimo!

  • @eliasgallegos3058
    @eliasgallegos3058 4 роки тому +2

    This is one of the best videos I've seen in a while! Time felt like it passed in a second!

  •  4 роки тому +506

    0:53 "Something that changes shape to match its container." So… a cat?

    • @Trias805
      @Trias805 4 роки тому +64

      Well, it's a known fact that cats are liquid.

    • @HolyAvgr
      @HolyAvgr 4 роки тому +8

      I'm positive there was a meme somewhere about this, yes. Something about expressing a cat as fluid.

    • @ThePrimevalVoid
      @ThePrimevalVoid 4 роки тому +21

      @@HolyAvgr There's a paper that discusses the rheology of cats.

    • @alakis
      @alakis 4 роки тому +20

      Well, yes, I think you could model the cat's shape over time using Navier-Stokes. The force that the cat's muscles produce, have to be taken into account as part of the external forces.
      I don't go to parties so I don't need to be funny.

    • @stulora3172
      @stulora3172 4 роки тому +1

      @@ThePrimevalVoid correct. it's rule ᔭƐ.

  • @SM321_
    @SM321_ 4 роки тому +208

    Are you going to make videos on other millenium problems?
    So far we have only Riemann, Poincare and Navier Stokes now

    • @hafizajiaziz8773
      @hafizajiaziz8773 4 роки тому +39

      They already have P vs NP by Simon Singh.

    • @danieljensen2626
      @danieljensen2626 4 роки тому +29

      Those are the only ones you can really understand without spending like 10 years studying the specific area the problem comes from.

    • @zennincasl9425
      @zennincasl9425 4 роки тому +4

      They also have poincare but that's been proved

    • @jackozeehakkjuz
      @jackozeehakkjuz 4 роки тому

      @@zennincasl9425 And don't forget Poincare.

    • @zoraizmohsin935
      @zoraizmohsin935 4 роки тому +2

      Ayy. What about poincare?

  • @PetraKann
    @PetraKann 4 роки тому +33

    There are specific circumstances involving fluid flow where the Navier-Stokes equations have analytical mathematical solutions. And example would be laminar steady state flow of a Newtonian fluid in a cylindrical pipe.
    The problems arise when the the flow becomes more complex (such as transitional or turbulent flow) and/or the fluid properties are Non-Newtonian (such as visco-elastic fluid flow, or time/temperature dependent viscosity effects, shear thinning, yield stress etc).
    In fact most of the fluid flow phenomena seen in nature or real life, do not have exact analytical solutions of the Navier-Stokes equations. In these instances, Numerical techniques such as Finite-Element analysis, are normally used to solve the Navier-Stokes equations. Complex fluid flow such as turbulence around a airplane wing or irregular shaped objects such as a stone falling through a thick starch-water mixture which is non-Newtonian do not have exact solutions to the Navier-Stokes equations in order to predict the resultant fluid flow behaviour. Perfect job for Finite-Element Analysis.
    It is more to do with a limitation in analytical mathematical techniques or tools needed to solve the Navier-Stokes equations, rather than a lack of understanding of the processes involved or an inadequacy of the Navier-Stokes equations themselves. (although a lack of thorough understanding of the physical processes involved in the myriad of fluid flow phenomena out there presents its own set of challenges and problems).
    In turbulent flow conditions, determining the pressure drop across a standard 90 degree elbow has no exact solution to the Navier Stokes equations - even when using simple Netwonian fluids such as water. This does not mean there are no alternative methods and numerical techniques available to accurately estimate this pressure drop and use it in practical or engineering applications. Finite Element Analysis using super fast computing produce astonishing results that are validated by observation and experimentation (the basis of the scientific Method)
    Cheers

    • @aerpk
      @aerpk 4 роки тому +2

      Petra Kann I agree with you. For many practical problems there are numerical methods to seek for a solution, but in the end at some point the models come to their limits. It may be turbulence model's limitations or grid density or something else in the modeling that simply is not anymore accurate. It doesn't mean the simulations would be rubbish. There are just areas that model is not able to represent accurately.

    • @shaxxshelmet1938
      @shaxxshelmet1938 6 місяців тому

      Yes, but FEA (CFD in this case) analysis is averaging just as he described. It’s taking small little cubes or squares and averaging the properties and parameters of them, running them through the Navier-Stokes (or similar relevant equation) and getting results that are so close to the real answer that it doesn’t matter if it’s a little off. If you could take the little finite elements and make them infinitely small, you would be truly solving the equation for every particle, but that isn’t really possible as we know it because it would take an infinite amount of time to solve.

  • @Smonserratm
    @Smonserratm 4 роки тому +39

    Only a painful equation could be tattooed in a painful area. Fitting.

  • @StuntpilootStef
    @StuntpilootStef 4 роки тому +87

    I'm pretty Stoked about this video.
    But joking aside, I've been waiting for you guys to cover Navier-Stokes. Thanks for doing a video on it.

    • @vodkacannon
      @vodkacannon 4 роки тому +1

      U could have said i'm pretty stoked about this video, and it would have been funny. U didnt have to say im joking

    • @curtiswfranks
      @curtiswfranks 4 роки тому

      I was surprised that it took so long!

    • @StuntpilootStef
      @StuntpilootStef 4 роки тому +1

      @@vodkacannon I could have, but I wanted to show genuine appreciation for the video. It's a fascinating equation and it's great Numberphile has finally done a video on it.

  • @ethanderagon7907
    @ethanderagon7907 4 роки тому +1

    I've been waiting for you to this for years brady! I'm so excited

  • @caseydouglas3671
    @caseydouglas3671 2 роки тому +2

    I love how excited he is talking about his field and this problem, it makes me excited to learn about it.

  • @danielmarkkula3004
    @danielmarkkula3004 4 роки тому +172

    I was hoping for graphs but this is cool too.

    • @harrysvensson2610
      @harrysvensson2610 4 роки тому +1

      Don't you mean simulations?

    • @MsSlash89
      @MsSlash89 4 роки тому

      How do you graph such equations?

    • @trololollolololololl
      @trololollolololololl 4 роки тому

      @@MsSlash89 u do

    • @trololollolololololl
      @trololollolololololl 4 роки тому +3

      @@MsSlash89 u can graph it in bath xD or see weather forcast

    • @photinodecay
      @photinodecay 4 роки тому +2

      There was a "graph" of the right angle turn solution. The problem is that what you're looking for is a 6-dimensional object so it won't look like any simple x versus y graph you've seen before

  • @jppagetoo
    @jppagetoo 4 роки тому +6

    I love this stuff. As an undergrad I specialized in numerical solutions to fluid dynamics and heat flow problems solved by numerical analysis. But... I have forgotten too much after all these years (33 years since I got my math degree). Channels like this on UA-cam has been great for keeping up on the world of math and physics I was once deeply involved in.

  • @gabrielsetyohandoko7178
    @gabrielsetyohandoko7178 4 роки тому +21

    I am preparing for my undergrad thesis defense 1 hour from now... This video really helps me to understand the governing equation i use on my research. Thanks Numberphile!!!

    • @TomRocksMaths
      @TomRocksMaths 4 роки тому +5

      You're very welcome - hope it went well!

  • @IBITZEE
    @IBITZEE 4 роки тому +9

    Thanks Tom... always a pleasure to hear from someone who can explain the subject to a 5 year... when this happens... means you really master it... 🧐🧐🧐

  • @lalapt127
    @lalapt127 4 роки тому +184

    Tao has proposed a program for ns-equation millennium problem. May be numberphile can to a 2nd part on the proposed methods.

    • @GerSHAK
      @GerSHAK 4 роки тому

      +

    • @cwaddle
      @cwaddle 4 роки тому +4

      I think i read it but it seemed so complex to me and probably way too techical for numberphile

    • @frtard
      @frtard 4 роки тому +11

      @@cwaddle "I think i read it" If you're not sure of even _that_ then yeah, your're probably right lol

  • @AlphaNumeric123
    @AlphaNumeric123 4 роки тому +71

    Tom Crawford did his undergrad at Oxford, his PhD at Cambridge, and now he’s at Oxford. Watching this video, I’m not surprised at all!

    • @puckry9686
      @puckry9686 4 роки тому

      What about Masters

    • @hoixthegreat8359
      @hoixthegreat8359 3 роки тому +1

      @@puckry9686 He did an MMath at Oxford for his undergrad, so he did his masters at Oxford. Most top universities let you stay on do a masters course right after your bachelors for mathematics (you normally have to decide by the end of your second year though), including Oxford and Cambridge.

  • @carolinewilhelm7672
    @carolinewilhelm7672 4 роки тому +4

    Thank you for such a clear explanation! Love your ink too. You found amazing artists.

  • @adamhrabovsky5485
    @adamhrabovsky5485 4 роки тому +4

    I’ve been waiting for this video for years!! Thank you, Brady! Thank you, Tom!

  • @jhonbus
    @jhonbus 4 роки тому +439

    This guy Stokes my Navier.

  • @521Undertaker
    @521Undertaker 4 роки тому +6

    A beautiful explanation. Thank you for expanding my knowledge!

  • @tobiasgehring2462
    @tobiasgehring2462 4 роки тому +19

    Three thoughts on this:
    "Clearly a solution where the velocity blows up to infinity is nonsensical" makes me immediately think of relativity. Could that possibly what's missing to ensure a well-behaved solution always exists?
    "With a perfectly right-angled channel, the velocity is infinite at the corner" - but of course we can't have a perfectly sharp corner in reality. Maybe if we could, then the velocity would blow up in reality too. Perhaps well-behaved solutions only exist for well-behaved (i.e. physically plausible) input, of which the perfect corner is not one.
    And finally, if in 3D we know that a well-behaved solution exists when the velocities at t=0 are "small", why can't we start with no velocity at t=0, and then use the external force F to manipulate velocities to a given desired state by t=k, and then consider the resulting solution as a solution for the desired velocities, but using (t-k) instead of t?

    • @msrodrigues2000
      @msrodrigues2000 4 роки тому

      The second thought is interesting, but if we could actually accomplish the free manipulation of single atoms, we could make a perfect corner, so my guess is that we get those results because of the way we treat the problem, the viscosity in the problem is not a function of temperature for example, which itself should be a function of velocity, so we are using average viscosity in each area of the flow, this of course leads us to a blow up, what may be occuring is that maybe the single atom of this corner in a well know time reaches high enough temperature so that its viscosity goes low enough for it to make trough the corner without breaking the relativity.

    • @msrodrigues2000
      @msrodrigues2000 4 роки тому

      But again, this only show us the discrepancy of what we consider and what really happens

    • @simpletongeek
      @simpletongeek 2 роки тому +2

      Velocity cannot be infinite for something that has mass, right? So, there's that limit. Also, something with light speed will split atoms. So, doesn't that describe the erosion of smooth river stone?

    • @tobiasgehring2462
      @tobiasgehring2462 2 роки тому +2

      @@msrodrigues2000 even in the case where you're manipulating single atoms, an atom has a radius, so you still don't have a perfectly sharp corner.
      There's also the fact that presumably as the velocity at the corner tends to infinity, so will the force exerted by the fluid on the container, which in reality would eventually get to the point where you break something off the corner and round it off further.

    • @sheabrown
      @sheabrown Рік тому +1

      Perhaps developing a perfect corner is the key to lightspeed travel 😂

  • @not_potaytoes_hobbit
    @not_potaytoes_hobbit 3 роки тому +12

    I love seeing people with enthusiasm teaching stuff, so inspiring!

  • @delanask
    @delanask 4 роки тому +13

    I really wish he talked about the assumptions used in the equations: continuum and incompressibility. If there is a reason they don't work it comes from one or both of those. Especially continuum, it actually slightly explains the 90 degree bend issue: there are never any particles at the point which has infinite velocity

  • @igNights77
    @igNights77 4 роки тому +47

    "Why did you do that?"
    "To cheat on an exam."

  • @darklink1113
    @darklink1113 4 роки тому +4

    Absolutely fascinating.
    Great video

  • @johnnymichaelnoobmaster69
    @johnnymichaelnoobmaster69 4 роки тому +4

    By far the coolest guy to appear on this channel. We need more of this.

  • @camelectric
    @camelectric 4 роки тому +491

    Precision: this is the equation for incompressible fluids, not all fluids

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer 4 роки тому +123

      Yep, incompressible and newtonian on top of that. So no gasses, no ice, no ketchup.
      He's enthusiastic, but somewhat inaccurate, if you ask me.
      (Wouldn't have been so picky if not for calling nabla a greek letter too...)

    • @Smonserratm
      @Smonserratm 4 роки тому +53

      @@landsgevaer Just sauce, raw sauce.

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 4 роки тому +47

      And even “incompressible” fluids are only incompressible in a “sufficiently normal” environment.

    • @antoniogarest7516
      @antoniogarest7516 4 роки тому +15

      Quick maths

    • @Thalario
      @Thalario 4 роки тому +10

      Do I understand it right that the “small” equation states that sum of volumetric changes zeroes out, which is where incompressibility comes from?

  • @FryuniGamer
    @FryuniGamer 4 роки тому +9

    "There is nothing we have said here, hopefully, that anybody could possibly disagree with"
    You have way too much hope in humanity.

  • @gertorrrrrr6
    @gertorrrrrr6 4 роки тому +2

    His passion and motivation are so amazing. It makes me so jealous to see someone like that.

  • @moreaufamily437
    @moreaufamily437 4 роки тому +44

    I'm an ME and fluid mechanics was one of my favorite subjects and I loved working on Navier-Stokes. It's hard work though. I remember working for hours on a single simple problem. Have fun explaining the tattoo ;). There is some truth in the differences between engineering and math. As an engineer I get the answer I want and keep working. A mathematician though knows that there may be more than 1 solution or inconsistencies that need to be explained.

    • @sentientmgtow1039
      @sentientmgtow1039 Рік тому +1

      In fact, history verifies how an engineer and a mathematician work, knowing how Stokes (mathematician) and Navier (engineer) came to the development of their equations. I found it fascinating.

    • @SonnyBubba
      @SonnyBubba 8 місяців тому

      The difference between engineering and math, the engineers would be satisfied with an answer that’s accurate to three decimal places…

    • @labibbidabibbadum
      @labibbidabibbadum 6 місяців тому

      @@SonnyBubba For government jobs we just use the little one.

  • @hao2000ki
    @hao2000ki 4 роки тому +4

    Just learned this in my Intro to Fluid Mechanics class last semester so this is cool to see

  • @gertorrrrrr6
    @gertorrrrrr6 4 роки тому +8

    Fabulous explanation. If more teachers were like this much more kids would study math.

  • @username-zs6dv
    @username-zs6dv 4 роки тому +1

    thank you for the absolutely amazing explanation.
    You sound sooo passionate

  • @afterthesmash
    @afterthesmash Рік тому +32

    If I'm not mistaken, Navier-Stokes assumes continuum mechanics, and does not finally apply for molecular systems in any case.

    • @sebz.2756
      @sebz.2756 Рік тому +1

      Yes, you are right.

    • @neologicalgamer3437
      @neologicalgamer3437 Рік тому +2

      Neither does fluid dynamics in general. Try applying their equations to sand. It works more or less the more grains you add in

    • @randybobandy9208
      @randybobandy9208 Рік тому +1

      I was thinking that as you get to the molecular scale maybe there are uncertainty effects that come into play.

    • @SonnyBubba
      @SonnyBubba 8 місяців тому

      Quantum effects would mean that these equations don’t describe the motion of fluids in a nanometer scale.
      But for a centimeter to kilometer scale, they work, in the sense that what they predict is in close agreement with what’s observed.
      But, again, there’s that bit about averaging.

  • @michaellavy3269
    @michaellavy3269 4 роки тому +11

    Just finished a fluid mechanics class and it feels awesome to fully understand a numberphille video that I wouldn’t have understood beforehand

  • @LogicraftRedstone
    @LogicraftRedstone 4 роки тому +50

    I loved studying this at uni, still look over all of my notes and coursework in pride :D

  • @ninawii5318
    @ninawii5318 4 роки тому +16

    I just passed my fluid mechanics course so now I can fully enjoy this video without stressing myself beacuse I might fail due to Navier-Stokes and me not knowing how to use it properly
    also, because of all the pipe losses

  • @EtzEchad
    @EtzEchad 4 роки тому +4

    Now that I know a little bit about this, I'm really Stoked by it!

  • @subhasish-m
    @subhasish-m 4 роки тому +10

    This is the same guy that made the video called Equations Stripped: Naviers-Stokes. Worth a watch

  • @peanutboy41
    @peanutboy41 4 роки тому +9

    Perfect, I have a course in fluid dynamics starting next month. This was a perfect introduction!

    • @FM-rb3kq
      @FM-rb3kq 4 роки тому

      If it's your first course on fluid dynamics you might not have to worry about NS. That's usually Fluids 2 material

  • @MrSabba81
    @MrSabba81 4 роки тому +3

    Nice one! I am an ecologist working on Eddy Covariance as a post - doc at the University, that's inspiring!

  • @whalingwithishmael7751
    @whalingwithishmael7751 4 роки тому +23

    I quite fancy the style of this man

  • @josephelmes2165
    @josephelmes2165 4 роки тому +15

    Finally, some fluid dynamics!! 👍🏻

  • @matthewconcepcion1756
    @matthewconcepcion1756 4 роки тому +28

    Hey! Can you make a full playlist explaining these millennium prize problems? :D That would be awesome :))

  • @FWilliamWeaver
    @FWilliamWeaver 4 роки тому +1

    Great show, thank you for the presentation.

  • @pornhubhatesme
    @pornhubhatesme 4 роки тому +1

    I like how this guy actually translates each portion of an equation into words. It definitely simplifies the process of understanding the equation.

  • @tomhanlon1090
    @tomhanlon1090 4 роки тому +105

    honestly pretty cool to see a young guy with tats & piercings on the channel. anyone can do math.

    • @brainmind4070
      @brainmind4070 4 роки тому +15

      I don't know if I'd say that. Having 'alternative' style choices doesn't preclude one from having mathematical talent, though.

    • @sakki3378
      @sakki3378 3 роки тому +5

      @Niels Kloppenburg please tell me you're joking

  • @eve8372
    @eve8372 4 роки тому +93

    Tom Crawford has furthered my understanding of the Navier-Stokes equations, can he win the prize?! 😂

  • @KX36
    @KX36 4 роки тому +2

    I think this is the clearest numberphile video ever! Good job Tom.

  • @matthewherald1905
    @matthewherald1905 4 роки тому +1

    This is now my favorite video of all time

  • @TheSecretmirror
    @TheSecretmirror 4 роки тому +15

    The best thing about maths is really seeing people almost explode of excitement cuz well, the maths behind it is just too fckn cool

  • @pinnacleexpress420
    @pinnacleexpress420 4 роки тому +5

    Ive never been so ok with not fully understanding the concepts discussed. this was great.

  • @ekobbl2011
    @ekobbl2011 4 роки тому +2

    awesome explanation about "inversion" and "ill-posed" concepts.

  • @michaelrisinger6414
    @michaelrisinger6414 4 роки тому +2

    A great bridge between mechanical engineering and mathematics. Very well explained

  • @fourierbird
    @fourierbird 4 роки тому +9

    TOM IS FABULOUS AND I LOVE HIM ALREADY

  • @eashanshenai4980
    @eashanshenai4980 4 роки тому +37

    Damn. I never expected someone looking like him explaining math. Opened my eyes, should not judge on looks.

  • @VEER4L
    @VEER4L 7 місяців тому

    I'm an engineering student and I would really like to thank you sir a lot for making me understand the equation and it's problem so so easily.

  • @bcaudell95
    @bcaudell95 4 роки тому +34

    This was my first introduction to Tom, and I want to see a thousand more videos from him. He seems like such an awesome guy.
    Also giving me some inspiration for future tattoos.

  • @abdelmalekghassen563
    @abdelmalekghassen563 4 роки тому +3

    Two of the most elegant equations that I've ever seen.
    Well them and Maxwell's electromagnetic equations

  • @stefanschacht3322
    @stefanschacht3322 4 роки тому +17

    Thumps up for the remark that star-formation is due to magneto-hydro-dynamics instead of gravity! Finally...

  • @sumilidero
    @sumilidero 4 роки тому +30

    "Oh yeah, your river is gonna be flowing at infinity miles per hour"

  • @m.w7848
    @m.w7848 Рік тому

    just gorgeous the way you explain it. BIG THANKS

  • @kursatdagci5274
    @kursatdagci5274 4 роки тому +8

    This is crazy stuff, I love you and your fascinating contents.

  • @zhongzhenpronouncedassciss7060
    @zhongzhenpronouncedassciss7060 4 роки тому +278

    A random Terrance Tao has appeared

    • @HanabiraKage
      @HanabiraKage 4 роки тому +26

      It's starting to feel like Terence Tao is a modern-day Euler. The man's friggin everywhere, it's insane.

    • @hassanakhtar7874
      @hassanakhtar7874 4 роки тому +1

      @@HanabiraKage according to his interview with numberphile his weakness is algebra and topology. He is insane at PDEs and number theory.

  • @SunayH01
    @SunayH01 4 роки тому +1

    The best Numberphile video of all time. GOAT!

  • @stefanraul2070
    @stefanraul2070 3 роки тому

    Lovely to see such passionate people!

  • @sahin8780
    @sahin8780 4 роки тому +3

    Not kidding, I am in love with y'all, all I need is math and you as math talkers

  • @TomatoBreadOrgasm
    @TomatoBreadOrgasm 4 роки тому +9

    Very similar to the logic Schrodinger used in deriving his equation. He built it up from the idea that the energy of a system can be separated into kinetic and potential energy, then massaged that into an eigenvalue equation.

  • @jazzsoul69
    @jazzsoul69 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for this video ! I want more like this

  • @blakhokisbak
    @blakhokisbak 4 роки тому +1

    Finally a video on my favorite equations!

  • @wilderuhl3450
    @wilderuhl3450 4 роки тому +14

    Tom Crawford is now my favorite numberphile guest.

  • @cesarangulo1402
    @cesarangulo1402 4 роки тому +13

    Absolutely an outstanding video! I was totally focused for the 20 minutes. Great!

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  4 роки тому +4

      That’s great to hear. Thank you.

    • @cesarangulo1402
      @cesarangulo1402 4 роки тому

      it's true! I enjoy the 20 minutes and almost didn't notice when finish. and I believe a grasped a lot@@numberphile

  • @ciroalberghi
    @ciroalberghi 4 роки тому +2

    I'm watching this amazing video while my MHD simulations are running. Thank you Numberphile, great work!

  • @erikhalvorseth3950
    @erikhalvorseth3950 7 місяців тому

    Thanks, Tom. I knew shyte about Navier-Stokes. Fascinating

  • @darkermatter125.35
    @darkermatter125.35 4 роки тому +7

    The last guy I met with a physics equation tattooed on them had F=ma. It is nice to see someone have a more complicated equation on them like me, also in fluid dynamics no less XD

  • @RealHypeFox
    @RealHypeFox 4 роки тому +4

    Earliest I’ve caught one! It’s like spotting a majestic beast in the wild.

  • @f1tech249
    @f1tech249 2 роки тому

    You are the rockstar of Thermodynamics OMG THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN CONCEPTS ARE AMAZING THANK YOU SO MUCH THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

  • @JamesVestal-dz5qm
    @JamesVestal-dz5qm 8 місяців тому

    The video is very clear and easy to understand so I liked it.

  • @KirbyTheKirb
    @KirbyTheKirb 4 роки тому +6

    13:55
    Terence Tao is everywhere. What a genius.

  • @KC-dw6yz
    @KC-dw6yz 4 роки тому +4

    I appreciate the use of the theme from 'The Right Stuff' at about 15:23 :)
    Have been waiting forever for Numberphile to do Navier Stokes. Would be great to see more fluid dynamics, stuff like Couette flow or pipe flow or trailing vorticies, it's a really pretty science when shown visually.

  • @KayvanAbbasi
    @KayvanAbbasi 4 роки тому

    Finally! A non-graph non-sequence video! I enjoyed this one a lot. I agree with Brady: If the equation solution blows up to infinity, then the equation modeling has to change.

  • @avtaras
    @avtaras 4 роки тому +1

    Best video so far !!