Candle Making Controversy: What Temperature to Add Fragrance Oil & How Long to Stir?
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What temperature to add fragrance oil to wax and how long to stir are two wildly debated topics among candle makers. Let's chat about why.
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Wade, if you were a teacher, you would be everyone's favorite teacher.
🤣 lol. Thanks.
I 2nd that 😂
I agree!!
Amen!
Ditto
When I get frustrated with testing I just put on a Wade Thomas video, sit back, relax and have some down time. You always bring me back to reality, to calm, then I'm ready to get back at it again. You have the best videos on candle making and you are a cheerleader for all of us to keep going to perfect our candle making business! Thank you!
Oh wow. Thanks so much Linda! :)
Totally!!
A science experiment is definitely the best way to describe it. And a VERY EXPENSIVE one btw... Great video, both the mixing and pouring temperatures that I use are nowhere near what the manufacturers recommend, but they work for me
Haha. You aren't lying! And thanks for sharing!
I have watched so many videos on candlemaking. Thanks for yours. You speak so well and at the right pace. I really enjoy listening and I take it all in unlike a lot of videos on UA-cam.
Best description and very detailed!!! Just what I was looking for. Thanks for being so detailed and to the point!!
you are welcome. thanks for watching!
Thank you so much Wade! I've been making candles for almost 10 years, but always learn something new or a different perspective listening to you! You are very generous with your time and sharing of your experience and knowledge and I truly appreciate that!
Thank you Jane. Appreciate that
Thank you very much for the information. I’ve just started making my own candles and I find your video very informative and helpful. 😊
Great video! I’m so glad you made it. There is so much talk and arguing about this topic. Love the funnies you leave in. I’m rollin’ 🤣🤣
Haha! Thanks. Lol
You are funny--don't cut the fun stuff. I've been bingeing on your vids. Thanks so much for all the help and great advice. I'm a Skillshare subscriber of two years now and I can heartily recommend it to your viewers!
Awesome and thank you!
I am so glad you made this video and I came across it. This has been on my mind lately. I work with coconut apricot cream wax and I really like the end result with it. I won’t worry if I am doing it wrong now.
That's great. Are you working with high Temps with that wax? I hear many do
Very helpful video, Wade.
After a long hiatus, I have decided to start "playing" with candle making again and your videos are my go-to resource! Thank you for all the work you do.
Thanks Andy. Good luck. Thanks for being here!
Thanks for this video, great content as always. I now make my candles in smaller batches and let them cure for longer periods and I find this helps enhance my HT along with other variables.
Yes for sure!
Amazing as always!
Ty! :)
Thanks, first of all, for putting a lot of the "hard and fast" rules in their place- which is to say, a place of subjectivity. As a new candle maker just starting out, I've seen so many rules thrown out there with so little explanation regarding the science behind them (though with a little reasoning and basic science, a lot of it is guessable). I'm a person who needs the "why" along with the "how" and your channel encouraging experimentation and documentation, as well as putting to rest all of these too-easy rules, is incredibly helpful. It demystifies candle making into the simple scientific process of experimenting until you get your desired results. That made it a lot less intimidating for me, an obsessive research-minded "I need to know every inch of this craft before I ever even attempt it" kind of person. I can't tell you how much peace of mind it gives me to know that yes, it really is simple steps, and yes, all you have to do is tweak the ingredients, materials, or process. And while "rules" are sparse in your channel, they are replaced with such incredibly useful suggestions. Thanks for that- you are the reason I made my first batch of candles so soon- it only took me a week of research... instead of a year. 😅😝
Ahh, thanks Rachel for the feedback. I just try to share real world experience ahich isn't always hard fast rules. Glaf you are enjoying the channel. ❤️
I always learn so much listening to you.
Thanks for listening
You are a good Teacher,Thanks for the knowledge
Ty very much!
This video was so helpful! Thank you!
No problem!
All of this is true ... and a little maddening! TEST, TEST, TEST! great advice
😁🤷♂️. Yes... yes it can be. Lol
Hello Wade, I just made my small batch of wax melts as was given a kit for Christmas and what I couldn't get to grips with was when you test your wax with the thermometer the longer you keep it in the wax the higher the reading! I think I will just go with what you say and when I have converted over to centigrade I will add fragrance when I think is right. When testing the melts if it isn't strong enough I will try different things! You are so east to listen to so thank you so much. Brenda.
Love your videos Wade!
Thanks so much!
Great educational piece. I think it's also important for candle makers to remember that when adding the FO, the temperature of the wax can drop significantly and even below the reccommended or preferred pouring temperature.
Yep!
Thanks. I’m learning a lot with your videos.
Great! Thanks Karen! :)
You do you and I'll do me and.. oh my made me laugh 😃 thank you! But thank you so much for mentioning the many differences that can have an effect. And that safety matters. You're awesome to and that's why I share so many of your videos!♡
Thanks so much Cathy. And glad you got a laugh. I almost cut it out and then thought.... ahh what the hell. Lol
Really enjoyed your video. Thank you so much.
You're welcome Cathy!
yeah everything is so particular to each person's situation, it always cracks me up when people get so offended and secretive when they say they finally figured their stuff out and people on facebook groups try to ask how. if you're in dry ass arizona, someone's gonna have a bad time using your process if they're in south florida or something so maybe calm down and be helpful. i've been getting into making concrete jars and i found some posts where people said here's what i use down to the gram, and i thought oh cool a good starting point and that's what it turned out to be, i still had to tweak stuff after and honestly their stuff still looks better than mine because i haven't found the right way yet for doing it at my house with my setup
❤️ Needed this information. Thank you!
Of course!
@@BlackTieBarn Question please; I purchased a respirator on one's suggestion b/c the FOs bother my throat and chest, and leave me with a headache. I can still smell the FO strongly, nothing changed when using respirator, and it's stifling. Do you have any knowledge regarding this, or any thoughts? Does this mean the respirator isn't working?? How do you work through strong scents??
@@athenagoldsby4497 most likely the respirator isn't fastened on correctly or the filters aren't in correctly (or need replaced). Those are just guesses though. But bare in mind... respirators aren't necessarily going to stop all smells, its just meant to filter out particles. However, that usually means less smell as well. I would check the filters and make sure you have it on correctly. All that being said, if you are super sensitive to scents, as it sounds like you might be, that may be the other reason as well.
@@BlackTieBarn okay. Thanks so much. You are awesome!
Wade you're my favorite mentor.
Ty so much! :)
Thank you Wade,
It's wonderful to have the 'Black Tie Barn Library " to go to for a review on my questions when needed😃
Thank you🌿🥀🌿
PeAcE
Haha. No problem!
Great tips and advice.
Glad it was helpful!
He does an excellent job explaining everything in simple terms. 👍 So, I would make notes about the following:
1. Environment
2. Jar
3. Type of wax
4. FO and %
5. Additives
6. Type and size of wick
Jotting all results will make us to be better at candle making. Until we get that “perfect” candle that has not only a great HT, but excellent burning 🔥 time, etc. In my opinion like I said is to jotting down all information of your testing will make your company’s “perfect” candle. Thanks 🙏 Wade.
Thanks Joe. And I 100% agree
Best channel!
Thanks so much
Love your channel
Ty. Good to be back from my trip!
Great video! I hope the sticklers on FB get to see this 😉👍
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You crack me up sometimes. Thanks for the giggle
Lol. Np
Great video 👍🏽
Thank you! 👍
Such common sense advice. Kudos!
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Super interesting and extremely helpful and informative. You made me laugh at the end…! 😄
Ha ha. Thank you!
The temperature in your house and humidity also needs to be addressed. I have both in Arkansas plus insufficient heating and cooling, but I have found a way around it. Good job as always thanks for sharing!
Yes. Absolutely. I touched on that in the video but you are right.... trying to create a consistent environment is helpful
Hey Wade, are you saying that we have to test our candles. Lol. Yes, thank you for all your insight. Testing is best.
Ha. Yup! Lol
Great video. I have an idea for your next video. Alot of people are really trying to focus on the looks of their products more so than the making part. Maybe a video like marbling techniques for candle/melts. Maybe mica double pour.
Thanks for the ideas! I have a lot planned and scheduled but will add this to the list! Thank you
you made our work easier...😂😂😂
salamat🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Never mind... I'm not going to finish that sentence LOL! Once again, thank you for sharing your knowledge and perspective.
Haha. I almost did. Almost. 🤣😆 But then i would have had to edit that out I'm sure. Might have lost some followers. Or who knows... maybe gained some. 🤣
As always, your videos are fun and informative. You lift me up when I'm frustrated with testing. Also, what ratio would you recommend for soy (flakes or chunks?) + 100% organic yellow beeswax for glass jar candle?
Hi again Wade! Do you have any advice or videos on combining two different fragrance oils and "how to" or the pitfalls of doing so? Thanks!!!
Not really. Stay with a ratio that sounds reasonable to you and then adjust if needed. Some scents are much more potent. Some you want to be the primary etc. You will get to know how they work together over time. You can use Cotton swabs to dip into each and then place in a jar. If you want a 3 - 1 ratio do three cotton swabs to 1 for example
Is there such a thing as stirring too long? I'm not through all of the video, so the answer may be there. Thanks, you're the best!
Not too long... but too fast. You don't want to introduction a bunch of Micro bubbles
Thanks for clarifying the wax heating temperature. Why cool the wax before pouring and what temperature do you recommend cooling it to?
Thank you as usual,
What about if the candle mix of soya and coconut, are we going to be in the middle in between ?
Hey Wade! Keep the videos coming. Question... in terms of mixing, temperature, etc. I've been testing adding fragrance at 185 and lower temps around between 160-140. Trying to avoid sink hole etc. But I'm still getting a little cratering and cracking around the wick. I'm at a loss for what to do except use the heat gun. Still experimenting with how far away and THAT part is making me crazy! Oh, back to my question... So when the temperature gets cold during the winter, can the customer end up with cracked candles even though they look fine when it leaves my shop? You can tell I'm VERY new at this and haven't shipped anything yet. Just concerned about the end product the customer may get during colder months.
Thanks! I'll answer your second quotation first: Yes. Cracks can come later. Especially if shipped in cold whether. But they aren't really a super big deal.
As far as first question. What wax? Pouring cooler but not letting them cool too rapidly is usually the key
Quick question.. What would you say is the recommended temperature to add fragrance oil to kerasoy 4120 pillar wax blend.. And what would you say is best pouring temp? My partner is currently trying out making wax melts and seeing different answers everywhere TIA👍
Idk I go up to 250 in the pot once it comes pitcher 240 add FO 230 once I add it drops to almost 200 and pour 190 180 so when you say add 190 once u add the oil may go down to low like 160 unless you can Maintain 190 for mixing time maybe like a heated pitcher
Yep. Totally depends on the wax type though. Many waxes don't drop temp that quickly
I melt my wax at 185F (golden soywax 464), around 140F I add my fragrance oil. This is quite enough and I get good results.
Awesome. This was more for those who notice some issues with their applications
Thanks for this great vid Wade! Question, I happened to try a new scent last time. and when i mixed it in, it was cloudy until I poured. have you ever tried this?
Waa the oil cold? Some oils make a more cloudy or milky look depending on the wax too. If it performed fine its probably no big deal
@@BlackTieBarn I use 100%soy and I added it at 175F. Hot throw was not so good. Will try to experiment on this again. Thank you so much❤
Just to give you an update Wade. FO settled at the bottom of the jar😔 have you experienced this before?
Great video! Always great information. I got a question in regards of temperature and presto pots. Can you reheat/reuse the wax that wasn't poured considering it reached a certain degree a couple or multiple times? Would it ultimately affect the candle's performance when it comes to hot throw? 444 wax. Or I suppose any wax in general
I’m curious about this too!! Great question!
You can definitely reheat and use. Very normal. Just don't overheat it or heat it on high for days.
Yes you can. Just don't overheat or it can break down the wax some
Thanks for asking- I was wondering the same thing!
Can you do a review on the 454 coconut soy wax? I've been looking at ordering some but can't find any videos to give an opinion!
Well add it to my list. :)
Wade …. I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS !!! thank you so much . I would love to chat one on one ?
Hi Wade, Jenny from the UK. Please could I ask for some helpful advice as a beginner in wax melts making.
I purchased Coconut and rapeseed melt wax and followed the manufacturer instructions. Melt at around 75c, add FO at 65c, and pour at between 65c-45c. When the melts have curd, there is an oily swirl pattern left on top. What am I doing wrong? Are the manufacturers instructions just guidelines? Should I be melting at a hotter temperature and add the FO at that high temperature? Many thanks, and I would very much appreciate any feedback from you. Jenny UK.
Excellent video but when Pouring at lower temperatures do I give it a mix again before pouring or leave it and just pour?
If it's actually mixed in thoroughly originally.... then it technically shouldn't need another stir. But.... it's not gonna hurt. ;)
Hi ! Did you try cocosoy ?
I al new to candle, what is the flash point for fragrance oil and for was please?
I have a question? Does when you pour the wax in the container effect the scent? I have made a few soy wax melts/tarts and the cold throw is great but not so great on hot throw. I was wondering if the sent was effected by sitting in the pot for a few minutes to cool before pouring.
The pour temp does not. But the temp your adding the FO could. So if you add it hot and mix it in real well and then it just sits there a while to cool off. Sure, it will lose a little. Usually nothing noticeable but a little.
But does pour temp directly affect hot throw. Nope. Only how the candles cools and sets up in the container
I do wish those making fragrance oils could give a density for each oil. Knowing and comparing density could possibly help in identifying wick types and sizes🤔
Good point I agree. You can could make yourself a range chart though which may be helpful. Pour like 5 fluid ounces of each oil you have and then weight them. The volume will be the same (5 fl oz) but the weights will vary a bit. So you could at least make a chart of average, light, or heavy oils at least in treks of weight/mass. This doesn't necessarily help with viscosity but might still be helpful. :)
@@BlackTieBarn great point! I just find the denser oils typically take a different wick than do the less sense oils (I think)
I find that also sometimes I can reduce the fragance load on the denser oils.
Can you add color and fragrance oil at the same time?
Hi wade, any idea, where to buy candle clear jars from wholesale at a good price?
Check out some of my supplier videos. But the short answer is... lots of places. :)
Most csndle supply companies sell them. Csndle science, lonestsr, Aztec, Flaming candle, SKS, Fillmore, etc.
Hi Wade. I am new at candle making and been watching several of your videos for about 3 months I have been doing a lot of testing of wax f/o and of course WICKS your videos on all these items have been very helpful I don't feel I would have gotten this far without them I am now getting ready for the next step (to sell a few) will let you know how that works out Thanks Again
Thanks Jerry! Appreciate that
Do you have any experience with using paper cups as a candle container? I'm trying to source flame retardant paper cups (which is very challenging), but I'm also worried that I'm missing something like deformation or wax not sticking to the sidewalls.
I have not. I'd be nervous to try that. Lol
When I started searching for my queries while making candles I had X no. of problems after watching these videos I have ∞ doubts. Not able to guess where to start with everything "It Depends".
What about the temperature of your house? I'm seeing quickly added to videos but not really being factered in a specific video. Can you confirm that the house should kept at a certain temperature in the candle curing time? Thanx
Hi Wade, when I add my FO at 185°, do I need to continuously try to keep it at that Exact temperature for the entire two minutes while stirring? I'm having a hard time trying to keep it at exactly 185° while stirring, between checking the temp and it fluctuating back up too high, then taking it off the heat and waiting for it to come back down to 185° to keep stirring, I'm driving myself crazy. Surely I'm just making it too complicated? Please help. 😩
Hey there, I'm the 1st one here!!
Hey Latrice!
You’re fast Latrice. How you do dat 😁
@@lauriewilson4741 😂🤷🏽♀️
Could you explain pour temp and the importance of it?
Yep. It's coming in a separate video because it would have caused confusion I think in this one. As it's not related to the reasons/factors for fragrance oil.l temp or stir time. :) but definitely coming!
@@BlackTieBarn can’t wait! Thanks!
Great video as usual, but I'm facing an issue these days which is the melts loses their scent on the second use, and I don't know why, I'm sure I'm following the instructions and I've changed the fragrance too many times, any help
What wax? Many waxes release scent quickly so they are strong but don't last long. Also, your bulbs might be too hot. Also many melts only last 12-36 hours. So could depend on how long they are goinf
@@BlackTieBarn at the first begin I used to use soy, then to get the fine shape I started to mix with paraffin, but still facing the same problem, one time use of melt is all what I get
Do you think it's because I live in a hot area, but can I store the oil in the refrigerator
I'm seeing some chandlers stirring their fragrance oil into their wax using those magnetic stirrers from Amazon for about $25.00. What are your thoughts on that?
Hey hope you can help. How much fragrance can you put in for wax melts? I heard 15-18 percent but I don’t know. Can you help?
It will depend on your wax and how much it can hold. But yes.... you can add more than you would for a candle since no wicking involved. But that much is expensive. Lo
@@BlackTieBarn thank you so much…. Yessss absolutely expensive… I will try a few different oz. And thank you 🙏
CAN YOU DO THIS WITH THE PARRIFIN/SOY CONTROVERSY??
Already did. Last year ;) If you go to my list or videos here you will find all sorts of stuff. But here is link yo thst specific video:
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Thanks Maria!
I have noticed that adding fragrance oil significantly lowers the temperature of the wax before I even have the chance to stir. Do you know if this has an impact on the throw?
Oil is cooler than wax so, yes, anytime you add something cooler to something warmer it will bring the temp down. That's normal with anything. But no... doesn't impact scent throw. It's normal
@@BlackTieBarn Thank you! ❤️
Right
Have you ever used the Soy Bliss Wax from 16/17?
I have some to sample but haven't used yet. Not a fan of the price though. Lol
@@BlackTieBarn ya all their prices are quite high but if this wax is as good as I've heard then I guess it will be worth it. I'm new to candle making & I've tried a couple different waxes & so far I'm not impressed with either of them. Plus they are about 2 hours from me so I can save on shipping if I really like it!
So, when conducting a test, how do I know if it was a success where the oil and wax blended well?
You can usually see the fragrance in the wax sort of like oil and water but not that significant. It should have no issue blending if Stirred well and not too much used
@@BlackTieBarn
I really appreciate the reply! Thanks! Your videos are awesome. My mom and I made candles 18-22yr ago. She passed 18mo ago, and I have been trying to get back into it. But, I was barely a teenager when she figured out her materials and process. I have been nearly starting from almost scratch.
I did some experiments, and I got a good blend.
Hey hey
Hi! I'm back! 😁🤣
@@BlackTieBarn how’s the warehouse coming? And…thanks for posting … been a minute 😬
@@lauriewilson4741 Ya, not sure if you are on my other social channels but i been on a roadtrip. Gone about 2 weeks so trying to get back and caught up now. Ha. Warehouse coming slowly for similar reasons. Been super bust making it damn near impossible to get moved over, plus gone a lot. But... it will get there. Small update coming later this week I hope.
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How long should I wait to test a wick with soy wax before I light it?
I like yo rest twice to see if results stay consistent. With soy, I'll test after a few days and then again after 2 or 3 weeks to compare
@@BlackTieBarn thanks you so much!!
Thank you for the video ! Your the best Wade and the coolest . I have vanilla from candle Cocoon , I heat it to 180f and it still sweats when I burn the finished candle . What I’m I doing wrong ?(yes I stir longer and throughly ) thanks !
It may just he a really heavy oil and might have to use a lower fo load.
Help please!! so what is a good temperature to add your fragrance to soy wax is 145 or 170. I made a couple of candles and I noticed the fragrance is lite I put 10% in the candles. Just need a Lil help
Have you tested different wicks? That will make a big difference also if you're not using the correct one for the wax/FO
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So I'm trying different wicks right now that's the batch that doesn't really smell that strong. I tried wooden wicks with the same batch The only thing I could think of was the new soy wax I was using and I also used the company website where I got the fragrance from the Measure. They have Measuring calculator for the fragrance that I was using So I don't know if their measurements were too late. Can I add the fragrance at a 150ﾟOr is that too light of a temperature to blend with the soy wax?
@@tie191401 I use GB444 soy and get great results using 7-10% FO. (No dye) I add the oil between 140-150 and pour around 110. I use mainly ECO wicks from size 10 to 16 depending on my jar and oil. I get great H/C throw and results are pretty consistent but it takes a lot of testing. Ultimately it comes down to which FO I’m using and the diameter of my jar to determine which wick and % of FO I use
@@angela0037 So I don't know if it's a candle wax I'm using the freedom soy wax of Amazon off the Amazon I got the 25 pound Box. When I did my research I said that was good for beginners but it doesn't necessarily say if it's the 444 or the 464. Just a little frustrated. So you can pour your fragrance at that temperature a 140ﾟ to a 150ﾟ
Can you burn off your FO if you add it at a high temperature?
It has to be super hot. I wouldn't worry about it unless it's a very volatile oil and very hot wax. For perspective.... the larger companies using coconut, palm or paraffin waxes are adding oils very hot... around 200
@@BlackTieBarn Thanks for sharing, that’s good to know. I use Makesy’s Virgin coconut wax and pour FO in at around 185-190 but still can’t seem to get a great HT using Candle Science’s FO.
At 2:22 you explain f/o added to soy and you go on to explain adding the temps - my question is are you using Degrees Celsius?
I see people adding fragrance oil to the pouring pitcher before pouring into the container. This makes one have to really wash out the pitcher to get all of the scent out.
I just put the oil in the container and stir from there. Does this cause any negative outcomes?
Uts much harder to stir in the jar but you certainly can. I've tried it before when making single testers and it's fine. Although stirring around the wick is a pain. Lol. It's really preference. But it isn't really sustainable as you scale and start pouring hundred candles
@@BlackTieBarn Thank you for responding! That makes a lot of sense, and, you're right, I'm not quite there yet. Since I make small batches, I think I'll do that until more people decide to like my products, haha.
Thank you for these videos and I'm happy that you were able to recently expand! I'm glad you're so successful.
Weird question - but I'm brand new to this - is soy wax supposed to smell kind of weird/unpleasant in the bag when it's still unscented? Just asking because it just smelled funky to me, & I got random soy wax on Amazon, & I'm wondering if i should just not use it, or if that's normal. It's not a strong, disgusting smell, but it's definitely not a nice smell either.
It would be great to have Celsius conversions for the temperatures you mentioned.
Please , is using perfumes fragrance oils wrong while making a candle ?
mixing for 2 minutes cools down from 80 to 60 and when pouring it sticks to the container.. but if I place the essence at a higher temp it will evaporate... and then the liquid stays on the bottom and not on the wax... please help
The fragrance oil shoululdnt evaporate at a higher temperature. I mean... don't add at like 200, lol. But you can add higher than you are unless you've witness evaporation
@@BlackTieBarn I just made 150 candles 5 different scents and placing the sticker I saw that all the scent stayed at the bottom, the metal wick holder is rusted, is their any fix... I need to deliver them tomorrow....
its coconut soy wax, 160grs of wax 8% scent, absolutely no scent at all, and now I know the reason, everything is tuck on the bottom and it didn't blend.. HELP please
Is it Kelvin/farhenheit/Celcius?
This was Fahrenheit
Kelvin 🤣🤣🤣
Adding FO at 185 will burn off & leave you with a virtually scentless candle...true or false?
False
@@BlackTieBarn thank you for clearing that up. As you may know, there are some wild myths out there in the wild 😂
@@MisterWhatWhat for sure. I mean, sure,.... occasionally a FO might be recommended to add a different temps for different waxaes, but that is a wax issue.. not a FO issue. If adding FO at 185 was problematic... companies wouldn't be adding it around 200 for palm wax, coconut wax, and many paraffin waxes. Lol
ANSWER IS: '' IT DEPENDS''
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