Four Jacks Cabin was a very basic shooting cabin originally built by a gamekeeper called Mike Tym. At some later date it was rebuilt with two rooms - one for the guns, one for the beaters by four local men all called Jack, hence "Four Jacks Cabin". When most of Kinder Scout became open country the cabin became a bit of a "litter pit" so the gamekeepers left it to ruin. As for the Jacks - Jack Burdekin and Jack Belfitt were farm labourer and farm bailiff respectively at Grindslow House. They both lived into their 90's in Edale. Jack Burdekin lived at the White Cottage next to the road near the church. Jack Rowbotham was a local builder in Edale and Jack Tym (relative of Mike the original builder) was his mate. I could be wrong but I think some of the Tym's family still live in Edale, there have been Tyms in those parts for centuries.
@fraserChapman I was chatting to a woman at Edale train station a few months ago who lives in those little Bungalows on the left side of the road that leads into Edale just after the pub and she was telling me that she grew up in Allport Valley. Do you know of any books or references about the Dark Peak area that go into detail about the Geology and the origins of the names of the features etc ???
@@Olan... Ah nice! Chatting to locals is always a good place to start. As far as books/references - really the local history section of the library is your best bet. That said a great general reference for local knowledge would be Chris Goddard's "The South Yorkshire Moors" - not only does it have beautiful hand drawn maps but the little bits of less known local knowledge are amazing. Also I would recommend the "Derbyshire Mapping Portal". This is superb as it lets you view lots of old maps of the area - Belper 1791, Alderwasley 1841, Darley Abbey 1936, etc - it can be really interesting to see how names have changed over time, or where farms or buildings used to be. Really though my best source of knowledge has always been my own family...I've lived in the Dark Peak most of my life and Kinder, Howden and Bleaklow were my childhood playground...my Grandad knew every single rock, every bit of history, names, families, etc, and passed a good amount on to me. Also a good pal of mine is Roger Baumeister, he is one of the founding members of the Dark Peak Fell Runners...he's has forgotten more about the Dark Peak than most will ever know and is a veritable fount of information!
thats brilliant fraser i did actually come across some old pics in a book in the pennypot cafe some time ago..those names were mentioned & the pics depict a rather noticably larger building than the remains would suggest so wether its a different place over the same spot just descaled over the centuries who knows..always fascinating though for me finding info out like that i reckon me & you could have a real good old chat..
@@AndrewBeavers Aye I reckon we could. Surprised I've never bumped into you on the tops, we seem to love the same places! I'm often pitched up at Bleaklow, or round High Stones way. Maybe we could arrange something some time, I'm always up for a wander and a natter! Had my hands full of late mind, have a new Whippet pup. Actually called him "Scout" after Kinder.
I agree with you on the fires mate. Surprised me the amount of remains of fires in the woods below the Snake Road at Birchen Clough. Great video. Really enjoyed it.
I looked up Edale Village, what a beautiful place to live. It is about 29 hours travel for me to get there from NZ, which is not going to happen, so thank you for making these videos for me to enjoy. You are a great ambassador for the area, I almost feel as though I have been there. Spring here and I am looking forward to a long, hot summer as last summer was a complete failure of a summer.
It is beautiful, a real gem! Funnily enough a lot of the landscape around there is quite like some of the Tararuas - tussock grass, bog, etc - although we don't have an alpine environment. I actually just walked the full length of NZ - from Cape Reinga to Bluff and was really struck by just how similar some of it was. Parts of the Richmonds could be any number of places in Scotland :)
Just watching this now. That scramble up the right hand fork looks mint as! I’ve always wanted to have a go at that side. I’ve done the main one but that right fork was gushing the day I did it. Excellent video again as always. 🙂
I enjoy watching your unconventional routes into the plateau. Especially to the Aztec rock, brilliant weather too. I don’t know how people who leave their rubbish up there live with themselves, after lugging a tent up on their back you’d think they could manage an empty can and teabags. Really winds my key 🔑glad you raised this in your film. BW, Sarah
Hi Andy, cracking video as always mate, really enjoyed it. It seems these litter louts are becoming much more prevalent in the hills nowadays, you see it everywhere. I brought someone's crap down with me from the fells last Friday. All the best mate Dave
That stone carving is beautiful. Some cracking hidden gems around there. Spot on about the rubbish, beggars belief…….I can’t wait for some winter camps to quieten those hills a bit. Atb
Pitched at Fairbrook Naze last Sunday night. Tried to get my Tarp Tent Notch into that pitch just down from the path overlooking the edge. Fitted in ok it just couldn’t get the ridge level or taught, so moved up to the usual spots without the view. Just shows how more flexible you MLD tarp is! Thanks for the info regarding the 7 min crossing. I’ve come up the path from Grindsbrook but didn’t know you could cross from there, even though it’s marked on Harvey’s 1:40 maps I used to cross at Edale moor trig! Many thanks !
An interesting film mate, I saw some aspects of Kinder there that I wasn't aware of. I did trace your route on the map so hopefully I'll be able to check those out sometime. I think I need to add a bit of variety to my ways up Kinder, I always seem to go up the same few routes so this has given me plenty of inspiration. A bit of luck with the weather would help though.....each time I'm available lately, it's either pissing down or blowing a gale 😭. Anyway, enough moaning, great vid Andy and thanks for sharing. ATB, Chris
more routes up kinder than you can imagine chris..a lot of the cloughs are all accessible & some great scrambling bits too...the plateau has a lot more to it than folk like to admit i do love a meander around up there just exploring..tfw mate.
Nice one Andy love your passion on keeping the litter off the hills. Easier and lighter to take it out than bring it in. Great vid’ once again very enjoyable.
Love your videos man! It would be super cool if you showed us you brewing your tea, cooking food, setting up your tent etc. that stuff is fun to watch as well! Hello from the Pacific North West in the United States!
A cracking video Andy. I appreciate you pointing out those spring locations mate, most useful. 👍It was fascinating watching you scramble up Grindsbrook, lightly sprinkled with an inspirational air of 'Perhaps even I could do that?'. 🙂That trek from Grindsbrook>Aztec Stone>Seal Stones felt familiar and reminded me of day 2 from our recent trip, but kinda in the opposite direction, so I found that part of the video very enjoyable to watch. Also, fantastic morning views with the clag (I'm a bit weird, as I love it when it's like that). There's nowt much more that I can say/write mate, apart from thanks for giving me something truly decent to watch on the telly.👍
Hi Andy we have chatted before about the peaks a few times. Just wanted to say I find your videos really helpful I’ve not been up the peaks yet but always wanted to go and your stuff is really helpful always a pleasure to watch 👌💪😉
i camped at seal stones coming up via blackden brook! Rite good scramble with a proper little climb if you want to take a proper good look at the waterfall! This 1 is deffo on my list
Thanks for climbing that Clough twice just for our enjoyment😊. Went to one of my favourite spots in the Brecons recently and found empty food cans and plastic forks - what's wrong with people? Nice trip, and as always plenty of info on the place. ATB Roger
My first jaunt up kinder was up grindsbrook Clough when I was about 15 or 16 with my uncle who introduced me to hill walking...I must have ascended grindsbrook over 20 times over the years, that right fork never gets boring, it's always different. Great video as always 👌🏻
@@AndrewBeavers crowden Clough is awesome in winter as well, my mate and I ice scrambled it with crampons and single mountaineering axe, it was the best fun I've had in the peaks with my clothes on lol.
Went up grindsbrook a few weeks ago and saw that fire pit just ridiculous no need, went up again today and still there. Seen people say it clears up after a few days but it certainly doesn't just awful
Fire pits sterilise and scar the ground. Indeed it is possible to recognise fire pits from the Paleolithic archaeological record. So no, it doesn't "clear up after a few days" - it is detectable for a few thousand years!
no they certainly dont clear up after a few days..like fraser mentions you can find evidence of fires from thousands of years ago so they certainly arent clearing up after a few days.
Great stuff. Still to camp in the wild but building myself up to it. Made it a fair way across the seven minute crossing (from the south) in the snowI a few weeks ago, I crossed that little stream bit in the same spot and continued for another minute or so before turning back as I wasn’t exactly sure if I was on the correct path (now I know) and didn’t want to get caught out by the light as it was mid afternoon and I was on my own. have been tempted by that right fork exit a couple of times but happy to leave it for a while yet. A question… There is another scramble a little further down on the same side of grindsbrook clough, right near the fence / gate. I have crossed it at the top and it does look quite steep and rocky. Have you done that one before ?
There is a good little camp spot at height spot 623 which I think you would appreciate. I normally approach from Seal stones and then in the morning head along the Grindsbrook river. Great. Idea as always. Love the durstan 1. I upgraded to the two but regretted it as the footprint was way to big for Wildcamp’s. Good exercise with the camera appreciate that. Never tried that way up Grindsbrook but now will give it a go 😊
Nice one as always Andy.......where did you find out the origins of 4 Jacks cabin ??? I dont do any social media other than YT but i would be interested to know. All things Aztec, Incas and the Mayans intrigue me especially as it's not really that long ago . Some of the ideas and technology those civilisations had and techniques for cutting stone and using what we refer to as precious metals were way ahead of time and its my belief that the powers that be dont want us to know the true extend of that knowledge and the beliefs they held in those days. Bring on them lower temps hey :)
i came a cross 4 jacks many years ago olan & thought it was an old grouse butt initially..but after asking around a few knowledgable folk & seeing pics in some books that how i found out...ayy i reckon there's a lot of stuff about history the powers that be dont want us knowing..all very intriguing isnt it..
@@AndrewBeavers I have got my theories why Swiss Guards are stationed at The Vatican ...Theres miles of bookshelves filled with historical records from libraries and museums from across the globe...Swiss Guards guarding stolen goods that non of us ordinary people are allowed to go anywhere near !!!!! Hmmm nothing remotely suspicious about that though :)
Another great video. I’ve yet to try the right hand fork on Grindsbrook but it looks fun! I’ve been to Four Jacks cabin ruin before but I didn’t know the name or the stories about it (or that it was supposed to be haunted)! Can I ask what your information source is? It’s not named on OS maps and I’ve not come across information about it in any of the books I have.
info source is from many years walking in the area & talking to people who have lived in the area for many years & their ancestors too..the right books also have a lot of info..
When it comes to those making fire on the moors, you can't get your head round it, because it just does not make any sense whatsoever! It boils my blood to see the damage it does and the potential for a large scale fire. Totally inconsiderate numpties that believe its all about them, and no consideration for others! Had to make this comment when you mentioned the fire! 😁 Now I will continue to watch
You were on about somebody having a fire on your way up Andrew, it's just been on the local news somebody cut down the tree at Sycamore Gap on Hadrians Wall overnight, the police have apparently arrested a 16 year old, Why do they do such things.
Another great video! Absolutely love watching these. X
Four Jacks Cabin was a very basic shooting cabin originally built by a gamekeeper called Mike Tym. At some later date it was rebuilt with two rooms - one for the guns, one for the beaters by four local men all called Jack, hence "Four Jacks Cabin". When most of Kinder Scout became open country the cabin became a bit of a "litter pit" so the gamekeepers left it to ruin. As for the Jacks - Jack Burdekin and Jack Belfitt were farm labourer and farm bailiff respectively at Grindslow House. They both lived into their 90's in Edale. Jack Burdekin lived at the White Cottage next to the road near the church. Jack Rowbotham was a local builder in Edale and Jack Tym (relative of Mike the original builder) was his mate. I could be wrong but I think some of the Tym's family still live in Edale, there have been Tyms in those parts for centuries.
@fraserChapman I was chatting to a woman at Edale train station a few months ago who lives in those little Bungalows on the left side of the road that leads into Edale just after the pub and she was telling me that she grew up in Allport Valley. Do you know of any books or references about the Dark Peak area that go into detail about the Geology and the origins of the names of the features etc ???
@@Olan... Ah nice! Chatting to locals is always a good place to start. As far as books/references - really the local history section of the library is your best bet. That said a great general reference for local knowledge would be Chris Goddard's "The South Yorkshire Moors" - not only does it have beautiful hand drawn maps but the little bits of less known local knowledge are amazing. Also I would recommend the "Derbyshire Mapping Portal". This is superb as it lets you view lots of old maps of the area - Belper 1791, Alderwasley 1841, Darley Abbey 1936, etc - it can be really interesting to see how names have changed over time, or where farms or buildings used to be. Really though my best source of knowledge has always been my own family...I've lived in the Dark Peak most of my life and Kinder, Howden and Bleaklow were my childhood playground...my Grandad knew every single rock, every bit of history, names, families, etc, and passed a good amount on to me. Also a good pal of mine is Roger Baumeister, he is one of the founding members of the Dark Peak Fell Runners...he's has forgotten more about the Dark Peak than most will ever know and is a veritable fount of information!
thats brilliant fraser i did actually come across some old pics in a book in the pennypot cafe some time ago..those names were mentioned & the pics depict a rather noticably larger building than the remains would suggest so wether its a different place over the same spot just descaled over the centuries who knows..always fascinating though for me finding info out like that i reckon me & you could have a real good old chat..
kinder scout derives from anglo saxon olan..the old name escapes me but meant to mean something like "water on the edge"
@@AndrewBeavers Aye I reckon we could. Surprised I've never bumped into you on the tops, we seem to love the same places! I'm often pitched up at Bleaklow, or round High Stones way. Maybe we could arrange something some time, I'm always up for a wander and a natter! Had my hands full of late mind, have a new Whippet pup. Actually called him "Scout" after Kinder.
Great video Andy.👍
Another great video Andy cant wait for the next one
Very envious of your 3 nights. Wow looks amazing camp. Perfect location 👌
I agree with you on the fires mate. Surprised me the amount of remains of fires in the woods below the Snake Road at Birchen Clough. Great video. Really enjoyed it.
I looked up Edale Village, what a beautiful place to live. It is about 29 hours travel for me to get there from NZ, which is not going to happen, so thank you for making these videos for me to enjoy. You are a great ambassador for the area, I almost feel as though I have been there. Spring here and I am looking forward to a long, hot summer as last summer was a complete failure of a summer.
It is beautiful, a real gem! Funnily enough a lot of the landscape around there is quite like some of the Tararuas - tussock grass, bog, etc - although we don't have an alpine environment. I actually just walked the full length of NZ - from Cape Reinga to Bluff and was really struck by just how similar some of it was. Parts of the Richmonds could be any number of places in Scotland :)
Great video again.😊
Great video Andy 👍🏼
Just watching this now. That scramble up the right hand fork looks mint as! I’ve always wanted to have a go at that side. I’ve done the main one but that right fork was gushing the day I did it.
Excellent video again as always. 🙂
I enjoy watching your unconventional routes into the plateau. Especially to the Aztec rock, brilliant weather too. I don’t know how people who leave their rubbish up there live with themselves, after lugging a tent up on their back you’d think they could manage an empty can and teabags. Really winds my key 🔑glad you raised this in your film. BW, Sarah
Alcoholics always hide their containers. Maybe it’s guilt. Hate littering
@@kennethcarter5720 I think it’s more to do with pure disrespect and laziness 😌
Can’t understand why folk leave their crap, whenever I’m out I’m always bringing others crap back.
Great video 👍
Hi Andy, cracking video as always mate, really enjoyed it. It seems these litter louts are becoming much more prevalent in the hills nowadays, you see it everywhere. I brought someone's crap down with me from the fells last Friday.
All the best mate
Dave
That stone carving is beautiful. Some cracking hidden gems around there. Spot on about the rubbish, beggars belief…….I can’t wait for some winter camps to quieten those hills a bit. Atb
Great video x
Love that route up to top Andy..makes a pleasant change .👍
Very nice! Great location, good views, good weather, interesting history and good company. Can’t ask for anything more! Thanks, Andy!
Pitched at Fairbrook Naze last Sunday night. Tried to get my Tarp Tent Notch into that pitch just down from the path overlooking the edge. Fitted in ok it just couldn’t get the ridge level or taught, so moved up to the usual spots without the view. Just shows how more flexible you MLD tarp is! Thanks for the info regarding the 7 min crossing. I’ve come up the path from Grindsbrook but didn’t know you could cross from there, even though it’s marked on Harvey’s 1:40 maps I used to cross at Edale moor trig! Many thanks !
An interesting film mate, I saw some aspects of Kinder there that I wasn't aware of. I did trace your route on the map so hopefully I'll be able to check those out sometime.
I think I need to add a bit of variety to my ways up Kinder, I always seem to go up the same few routes so this has given me plenty of inspiration. A bit of luck with the weather would help though.....each time I'm available lately, it's either pissing down or blowing a gale 😭. Anyway, enough moaning, great vid Andy and thanks for sharing. ATB, Chris
more routes up kinder than you can imagine chris..a lot of the cloughs are all accessible & some great scrambling bits too...the plateau has a lot more to it than folk like to admit i do love a meander around up there just exploring..tfw mate.
Cracking video as always pal!! Shame about the scrubbers who cant take their litter 'om' with em.. good effort!
Nice one Andy love your passion on keeping the litter off the hills. Easier and lighter to take it out than bring it in. Great vid’ once again very enjoyable.
Love your videos man!
It would be super cool if you showed us you brewing your tea, cooking food, setting up your tent etc. that stuff is fun to watch as well!
Hello from the Pacific North West in the United States!
Enjoyed that!
I love it when you share your knowledge of the Peak... That hut is a little gem!
A cracking video Andy. I appreciate you pointing out those spring locations mate, most useful. 👍It was fascinating watching you scramble up Grindsbrook, lightly sprinkled with an inspirational air of 'Perhaps even I could do that?'. 🙂That trek from Grindsbrook>Aztec Stone>Seal Stones felt familiar and reminded me of day 2 from our recent trip, but kinda in the opposite direction, so I found that part of the video very enjoyable to watch. Also, fantastic morning views with the clag (I'm a bit weird, as I love it when it's like that).
There's nowt much more that I can say/write mate, apart from thanks for giving me something truly decent to watch on the telly.👍
Another great video Andy, love to visit the Peak District more often, just a bit too far away.
Hi Andy we have chatted before about the peaks a few times. Just wanted to say I find your videos really helpful I’ve not been up the peaks yet but always wanted to go and your stuff is really helpful always a pleasure to watch 👌💪😉
time to rectify that im sure you'll enjoy the place..
i camped at seal stones coming up via blackden brook! Rite good scramble with a proper little climb if you want to take a proper good look at the waterfall! This 1 is deffo on my list
Thanks Andy for another vicarious trip out in the fresh air! Good to see your sub numbers surpassing 10k. 👏👏👏
Absolutely loved this video Andy, best ive seen this week, your knowledge of Kinder is awesome.
Gotta get up there soon.
ATB
Darren
Thanks for climbing that Clough twice just for our enjoyment😊. Went to one of my favourite spots in the Brecons recently and found empty food cans and plastic forks - what's wrong with people? Nice trip, and as always plenty of info on the place. ATB Roger
My first jaunt up kinder was up grindsbrook Clough when I was about 15 or 16 with my uncle who introduced me to hill walking...I must have ascended grindsbrook over 20 times over the years, that right fork never gets boring, it's always different. Great video as always 👌🏻
yeah always a different challenge everytime you go up there..winter is a fav time of mine to head up that route.
@@AndrewBeavers crowden Clough is awesome in winter as well, my mate and I ice scrambled it with crampons and single mountaineering axe, it was the best fun I've had in the peaks with my clothes on lol.
Found this weird carving about 8 years ago been back couple of times don't know much about it other than it's "Weird"
not fully sure but supposed to represent thankfullness or an appreciation of the land..
Went up grindsbrook a few weeks ago and saw that fire pit just ridiculous no need, went up again today and still there. Seen people say it clears up after a few days but it certainly doesn't just awful
Fire pits sterilise and scar the ground. Indeed it is possible to recognise fire pits from the Paleolithic archaeological record. So no, it doesn't "clear up after a few days" - it is detectable for a few thousand years!
no they certainly dont clear up after a few days..like fraser mentions you can find evidence of fires from thousands of years ago so they certainly arent clearing up after a few days.
Great stuff. Still to camp in the wild but building myself up to it. Made it a fair way across the seven minute crossing (from the south) in the snowI a few weeks ago, I crossed that little stream bit in the same spot and continued for another minute or so before turning back as I wasn’t exactly sure if I was on the correct path (now I know) and didn’t want to get caught out by the light as it was mid afternoon and I was on my own. have been tempted by that right fork exit a couple of times but happy to leave it for a while yet. A question… There is another scramble a little further down on the same side of grindsbrook clough, right near the fence / gate. I have crossed it at the top and it does look quite steep and rocky. Have you done that one before ?
hi yeah i know the bit you're referring to & yes ive climbed it once before..gets a bit rocky towards the top end but still a good one to do..
Another Belter pal. I’ll be out tomorrow can’t wait 👍👍👍
There is a good little camp spot at height spot 623 which I think you would appreciate. I normally approach from Seal stones and then in the morning head along the Grindsbrook river. Great. Idea as always. Love the durstan 1. I upgraded to the two but regretted it as the footprint was way to big for Wildcamp’s. Good exercise with the camera appreciate that. Never tried that way up Grindsbrook but now will give it a go 😊
yes i know the spot you mention ive earmarked it for future..
Nice one as always Andy.......where did you find out the origins of 4 Jacks cabin ??? I dont do any social media other than YT but i would be interested to know. All things Aztec, Incas and the Mayans intrigue me especially as it's not really that long ago . Some of the ideas and technology those civilisations had and techniques for cutting stone and using what we refer to as precious metals were way ahead of time and its my belief that the powers that be dont want us to know the true extend of that knowledge and the beliefs they held in those days. Bring on them lower temps hey :)
A chap has just put a comment on here explaining the history buddy. Quite interesting indeed
Thanks for that.@@Indigenous-English-Man
i came a cross 4 jacks many years ago olan & thought it was an old grouse butt initially..but after asking around a few knowledgable folk & seeing pics in some books that how i found out...ayy i reckon there's a lot of stuff about history the powers that be dont want us knowing..all very intriguing isnt it..
@@AndrewBeavers I have got my theories why Swiss Guards are stationed at The Vatican ...Theres miles of bookshelves filled with historical records from libraries and museums from across the globe...Swiss Guards guarding stolen goods that non of us ordinary people are allowed to go anywhere near !!!!! Hmmm nothing remotely suspicious about that though :)
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Good video m8 just wish u would put what gear u use in your vids.
He’s has some earlier videos of all his kit. There was quite a recent one I believe 😊
Another great video. I’ve yet to try the right hand fork on Grindsbrook but it looks fun! I’ve been to Four Jacks cabin ruin before but I didn’t know the name or the stories about it (or that it was supposed to be haunted)! Can I ask what your information source is? It’s not named on OS maps and I’ve not come across information about it in any of the books I have.
info source is from many years walking in the area & talking to people who have lived in the area for many years & their ancestors too..the right books also have a lot of info..
When it comes to those making fire on the moors, you can't get your head round it, because it just does not make any sense whatsoever! It boils my blood to see the damage it does and the potential for a large scale fire. Totally inconsiderate numpties that believe its all about them, and no consideration for others! Had to make this comment when you mentioned the fire! 😁 Now I will continue to watch
Hey Andrew, can I ask what sleep mat you are using ?
thermarest x-lite..
Been past there before but thought it was just a grouse butt.
Pisses me off so much, I always end up carrying out more than I carry in, I just don’t understand these selfish people mentally
You were on about somebody having a fire on your way up Andrew, it's just been on the local news somebody cut down the tree at Sycamore Gap on Hadrians Wall overnight, the police have apparently arrested a 16 year old, Why do they do such things.
If I see someone drop a can whilst out on the hills, I know where I'll be shoving that can.