This is indeed and interesting topic and something that has changed (slightly) as the sport has evolved and developed. I would personally echo your thoughts that Yellow Glove equates (as near as possible) to a black belt in other arts. In my past... Yellow glove was the point where you could enter "Combat" competitions....you had completed your apprenticeship, you had the required skills and knowledge of technique and movement (deplacement), you had competed at assaut, you were a qualified judge /referee and elidgable for instructor training. Silver glove and it's 3 x degree's were always considered to be equivalent to the "Dan" grades seen in other martial arts so... to be a Silver glove, 3rd degree was (and still is, I belive) quite a rare accolade and Gold Glove... is an honoury grade that is only ever bestowed on people who have made outstanding changes/benefits to the sports development or given a life long dedication to the art, this grade cannot be applied for and gained or earnt, it is only granted to the absolute legends of Savate.
Hi there James. I would say I agree with you that red glove is equivalent to blackbelt in any other striking arts( that uses belt as reference for the skill and abilities ) . 1st Degree black belt = Advance Student ( at this level all basic skills are completed but not yet in the assistant instructor level ) , 2nd Degree Black belt = initiate / Assistant Instructor or associate instructor to some ( this could be white or Yellow ) and 3rd Degree Black belt = Full Instructor. ( Could be equivalent to Yellow or Silver ) . 4th degree blackbelt = Mastery Level ( could be Silver Glove ) 5th degree blackbelt and up = Grandmaster level , or simply practitioner's who have contributed to the art ( could be silver glove levels ) 10th Degree black belt = Founder of the art or the father figure / head of the art ( could be the honorary Golden Glove )
Totally agree for the yellow glove! In other martial discipline, black belt is given after succed an exam facing a jury. For the yellow glove it's the same.
Greetings from Savate Leuven (Belgium). Can you say hello to Delphine? Coming back to your question, it is indeed the yellow gloves rank, because this is the first rank that has to be given by the Savate NGB (National Governing Body) of a country, while the earlier colours are given within the club. It's about the same way most of the styles with a belt system follow: coloured belts in the club, dan grades by the NGB. The only exception where a lower glove rank is also tested by the Savate NGB is when you are doing the the instructor traject and you want to become an "Animateur" (assistant-instructor) in Savate. You need to have the level and rank of red glove for "Animateur", just like you need the rank of yellow glove for "Initiateur" (full instructor). I haven't checked yet, due to covid19, if the silver glove technique 1 rank is needed to become a "Moniteur". But I've got time for that later, first I'll need about two years training to get back in shape once the club opens again.
Hi Rene, thanks. Yes, this all makes sense. These points about instructor training and NGBs, however, differ in different national federations. It is not the same case in every country. So I was going by the technical aspects of the grades only.
@@LondonSavate Indeed the instructor training program differs from country to country and is an complementary program that exists in parallel with the glove colour grades, but I was under the impression that if we look solely at the glove colour ranks that this program should be the same in each Savate NGB because it has to follow the guidelines from Savate France and the French National Department of Sport and Physical Education. So all colours preceding yellow are club colours, yellow and above is NGB awarded. So according to the procedure it would be that yellow gloves = black belt. Off course the picture changes according to technical aspects required by the grades and there exists no conform answer, just like there is a gigantic difference between the technical aspects of a black belt in strip mall Karate and a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
@@renegysenbergs3171 I'm intrigued by the proposition that each Savate NGB around the world must follow the French Federation guidelines. Having worked with a few national federations, I can say this is not the case - or at least that they have successfully evaded the enforcement of these rules.
@@LondonSavate ah, something I didn't know. Being that Belgium is just beside France the NGB of Belgium follows the French federation guidelines, with one exception, namely to get official grades in Savate Défense we have to do our exams in France under their NGB. I don't know the details behind this, but for some reason you can teach Savate Défense in Belgium, but you can't grade in it here.
@@214warzone I beg to differ. A Federation standardizes the curriculum and levels, so that if you train in another club, there would be no surprises to the MINIMUM known knowledge and experience by glove level. This prevents mismatches during training. It's identical to the usage as the kyu grades in Judo which has also a strong Federation. On club level: how do you train any Martial Arts and especially Combat Sports if you don't have a steady access to training partners? A club of people with like minded interests, skills and mentality is the best way to further your and theirs journey in Combat Sports. This does not say that you should not cross train from time to time, in another club and even style, but these learning opportunities should only be an add-on to regular training and not be the bulk of your regular training.
As you’ve said, very difficult to get an answer to this one. Particularly as the first thing to determine is which level of Black Belt (1st - 10th). As an opinion, I’d go with the Red Glove as about a 1st Dan level. In theory you’ve gained knowledge of the basics enough to be able to share it (teach them). At the same time you’re (theoretically) continuing your own learning under the guidance of someone more senior. Yellow glove I would personally consider more around the 3rd Dan level. You’ve gained the wisdom of how to apply the basics and can offer better informed advice of the when and how to use them. Still as you have said it is such a difficult question to respond to. Well done on taking on the challenge of it and I look forward to reading other people’s opinions as well.
Yes, agree about the difficulty. If we note that our hypothetical Black Belt may do, eg, Okinawan Karate, Kickboxing in the USA, Judo in France, Brazilian jiu jitsu, or any of dozens of styles which award belts, it becomes even harder. In some, Black Belt will be seen as 'broad competence', which is Red in Savate; as 'Mastery', which is Yellow, or 'Expertise; which is Silver. So any one of those answers is likely right somewhere....
Excellent question, think the belt colour gives an indication of training time behind one, a black belts execution of technique should reflect the 1000's of reps that were practised. As you mentioned they are guidelines and vary markedly between styles and clubs. I tend to watch the person and not the grade. Ultimately training time and dedication would poss be best way to compare.
Another great video. I feel like to people who would harp on this question are more concerned with belt rank than actual knowledge, but that's just my humble opinion. Regardless, you answered it masterfully: Keep up the good work/content.
mmm, but what is the real point here?, i believe that the knowledge and the skill only give the time and a good teacher not a belt, so if you only want to learn and be a good sports player just listen your teacher and practics a lot, that is i believe. Thanks @londonsavate you are a very good master
I think you are astute to say that the real point is knowledge and skill. This is why I recommend seeking out good people rather than comparing styles. Thanks!
So look I'm 21 and the reason I want to learn this Combat Sports Sanda kyokushin karate Taekwondo ITF muay Thai savate combat sambo it's because they are the best Combat Sports of all time good effective in self-defense street fighting work in Combat Sports MMA
Hell Gerardo, impressive list, but you would be training a whole lot of techniques double and wasting a lot of time, effort and money. 1) La Boxe Française-Savate covers English boxing, Taekwondo (ITF and WT(F)), Okinawa Karate, Sport Karate and the punching/kicking of Sanda 2) Muay Thai covers Kyokushin Karate + offshoots, Okinawa Karate and some of the throws of Sanda 3) Combat Sambo covers Unified rules MMA, Judo, Wrestling (Greco-Roman, Freestyle and Grappling) and the remaining throws of Sanda So with three styles you can train all the techniques of the combat sports in your list, but it will still be a lot of hours per week (2x 2hours per sport per week). Train safe!
@@renegysenbergs3171 thats why i will train one at a time but you know i might keep sanda and muay thai since both are the best kickboxing styles of all time
This is indeed and interesting topic and something that has changed (slightly) as the sport has evolved and developed. I would personally echo your thoughts that Yellow Glove equates (as near as possible) to a black belt in other arts. In my past... Yellow glove was the point where you could enter "Combat" competitions....you had completed your apprenticeship, you had the required skills and knowledge of technique and movement (deplacement), you had competed at assaut, you were a qualified judge /referee and elidgable for instructor training. Silver glove and it's 3 x degree's were always considered to be equivalent to the "Dan" grades seen in other martial arts so... to be a Silver glove, 3rd degree was (and still is, I belive) quite a rare accolade and Gold Glove... is an honoury grade that is only ever bestowed on people who have made outstanding changes/benefits to the sports development or given a life long dedication to the art, this grade cannot be applied for and gained or earnt, it is only granted to the absolute legends of Savate.
Cheers Ross.
Hi there James. I would say I agree with you that red glove is equivalent to blackbelt in any other striking arts( that uses belt as reference for the skill and abilities ) .
1st Degree black belt = Advance Student ( at this level all basic skills are completed but not yet in the assistant instructor level ) , 2nd Degree Black belt = initiate / Assistant Instructor or associate instructor to some ( this could be white or Yellow ) and 3rd Degree Black belt = Full Instructor. ( Could be equivalent to Yellow or Silver ) .
4th degree blackbelt = Mastery Level ( could be Silver Glove )
5th degree blackbelt and up = Grandmaster level , or simply practitioner's who have contributed to the art ( could be silver glove levels )
10th Degree black belt = Founder of the art or the father figure / head of the art ( could be the honorary Golden Glove )
Thanks Kenneth!
Totally agree for the yellow glove!
In other martial discipline, black belt is given after succed an exam facing a jury. For the yellow glove it's the same.
In France, and many other places, that is certainly true. Thanks!
Greetings from Savate Leuven (Belgium). Can you say hello to Delphine?
Coming back to your question, it is indeed the yellow gloves rank, because this is the first rank that has to be given by the Savate NGB (National Governing Body) of a country, while the earlier colours are given within the club. It's about the same way most of the styles with a belt system follow: coloured belts in the club, dan grades by the NGB.
The only exception where a lower glove rank is also tested by the Savate NGB is when you are doing the the instructor traject and you want to become an "Animateur" (assistant-instructor) in Savate. You need to have the level and rank of red glove for "Animateur", just like you need the rank of yellow glove for "Initiateur" (full instructor).
I haven't checked yet, due to covid19, if the silver glove technique 1 rank is needed to become a "Moniteur". But I've got time for that later, first I'll need about two years training to get back in shape once the club opens again.
Hi Rene, thanks. Yes, this all makes sense. These points about instructor training and NGBs, however, differ in different national federations. It is not the same case in every country. So I was going by the technical aspects of the grades only.
@@LondonSavate Indeed the instructor training program differs from country to country and is an complementary program that exists in parallel with the glove colour grades, but I was under the impression that if we look solely at the glove colour ranks that this program should be the same in each Savate NGB because it has to follow the guidelines from Savate France and the French National Department of Sport and Physical Education. So all colours preceding yellow are club colours, yellow and above is NGB awarded.
So according to the procedure it would be that yellow gloves = black belt. Off course the picture changes according to technical aspects required by the grades and there exists no conform answer, just like there is a gigantic difference between the technical aspects of a black belt in strip mall Karate and a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
@@renegysenbergs3171 I'm intrigued by the proposition that each Savate NGB around the world must follow the French Federation guidelines. Having worked with a few national federations, I can say this is not the case - or at least that they have successfully evaded the enforcement of these rules.
@@LondonSavate ah, something I didn't know. Being that Belgium is just beside France the NGB of Belgium follows the French federation guidelines, with one exception, namely to get official grades in Savate Défense we have to do our exams in France under their NGB. I don't know the details behind this, but for some reason you can teach Savate Défense in Belgium, but you can't grade in it here.
@@214warzone I beg to differ. A Federation standardizes the curriculum and levels, so that if you train in another club, there would be no surprises to the MINIMUM known knowledge and experience by glove level. This prevents mismatches during training. It's identical to the usage as the kyu grades in Judo which has also a strong Federation.
On club level: how do you train any Martial Arts and especially Combat Sports if you don't have a steady access to training partners?
A club of people with like minded interests, skills and mentality is the best way to further your and theirs journey in Combat Sports. This does not say that you should not cross train from time to time, in another club and even style, but these learning opportunities should only be an add-on to regular training and not be the bulk of your regular training.
Wise answer and good pointe 👍🏻
Cheers!
As you’ve said, very difficult to get an answer to this one. Particularly as the first thing to determine is which level of Black Belt (1st - 10th).
As an opinion, I’d go with the Red Glove as about a 1st Dan level. In theory you’ve gained knowledge of the basics enough to be able to share it (teach them). At the same time you’re (theoretically) continuing your own learning under the guidance of someone more senior.
Yellow glove I would personally consider more around the 3rd Dan level. You’ve gained the wisdom of how to apply the basics and can offer better informed advice of the when and how to use them.
Still as you have said it is such a difficult question to respond to. Well done on taking on the challenge of it and I look forward to reading other people’s opinions as well.
Yes, agree about the difficulty. If we note that our hypothetical Black Belt may do, eg, Okinawan Karate, Kickboxing in the USA, Judo in France, Brazilian jiu jitsu, or any of dozens of styles which award belts, it becomes even harder. In some, Black Belt will be seen as 'broad competence', which is Red in Savate; as 'Mastery', which is Yellow, or 'Expertise; which is Silver. So any one of those answers is likely right somewhere....
Excellent question, think the belt colour gives an indication of training time behind one, a black belts execution of technique should reflect the 1000's of reps that were practised. As you mentioned they are guidelines and vary markedly between styles and clubs. I tend to watch the person and not the grade. Ultimately training time and dedication would poss be best way to compare.
Nice thoughts there Mat, thanks!
In Japan it a black belt basically means they take the majority of what you can throw at them.
Another great video. I feel like to people who would harp on this question are more concerned with belt rank than actual knowledge, but that's just my humble opinion. Regardless, you answered it masterfully: Keep up the good work/content.
Ok where do you get those Tshirts,I want one.
This one is from an event (a training 'stage') in Boulouris 2017
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mmm, but what is the real point here?, i believe that the knowledge and the skill only give the time and a good teacher not a belt, so if you only want to learn and be a good sports player just listen your teacher and practics a lot, that is i believe.
Thanks @londonsavate you are a very good master
I think you are astute to say that the real point is knowledge and skill. This is why I recommend seeking out good people rather than comparing styles. Thanks!
So look I'm 21 and the reason I want to learn this Combat Sports Sanda kyokushin karate Taekwondo ITF muay Thai savate combat sambo it's because they are the best Combat Sports of all time good effective in self-defense street fighting work in Combat Sports MMA
Which of those sports do you want to learn?
@@LondonSavate I will learn it in America these Combat Sports some I can learn in Houston where I live others you know
Hell Gerardo, impressive list, but you would be training a whole lot of techniques double and wasting a lot of time, effort and money.
1) La Boxe Française-Savate covers English boxing, Taekwondo (ITF and WT(F)), Okinawa Karate, Sport Karate and the punching/kicking of Sanda
2) Muay Thai covers Kyokushin Karate + offshoots, Okinawa Karate and some of the throws of Sanda
3) Combat Sambo covers Unified rules MMA, Judo, Wrestling (Greco-Roman, Freestyle and Grappling) and the remaining throws of Sanda
So with three styles you can train all the techniques of the combat sports in your list, but it will still be a lot of hours per week (2x 2hours per sport per week). Train safe!
@@renegysenbergs3171 thats why i will train one at a time but you know i might keep sanda and muay thai since both are the best kickboxing styles of all time