I used an iPad Pro as my main computer for a few months. It’s great for most tasks but the few things that require a proper desktop OS for are frustrating as hell to do on iPad OS
100% - using an iPad Pro as a main device is awesome ... until it isn’t. The final straw was when I needed to resize a PDF and print it . I shouldn’t be pinching to resize if I already know the dimensions I need.
@@dextertittil from what I got from the last few events, there are no plans to get iPadOS there. Apple seems to have it stuck in their head that this is a supplemental device ONLY to be used alongside everything else. Which is fine I guess but only if ur aware of that going in
The average user doesn't apply color grading, title and edit 4K footage in Final Cut pro. Those who do would not probably actively search out a 2014 mbp in the first place.
I have this MacBook Pro and editing 1080p footage with LUTs, CG etc. is horrible... Even basic Photoshop editing is not a good experience... so I'm waiting for the new MacBooks on Monday
@@denniskoeman3098 It’s not horrible but compared to the M1 MBA it’s not a good experience working with >30MP photos… very usable, but not great… still a better experience than using it on my 2019 iPad… the 13“ MBP also doesn’t have a dedicated GPU though….
I just bought the iPad 9th gen because I saw your first video about this new iPad, and I’m very happy. Thanks for help us with your amazing content Luke!
GREAT VIDEO!! For the 'General Person', I think you are spot on with your choice Luke (won't spoil what product this is). So many people think of the traditional ways to do daily tasks they need the traditional Apple Machine, but Apple offer an alternative to get these tasks done and a lot of people fit into this catogery but not aware of this. Thank You for making them aware.
Great answer, +15 social credit! Your ability to consoom new products from The World's Largest Corporation™️ has qualified you to become an officially compensated Covert Apple Representative. Well done!
Does it run common desktop apps? Can you easily do some budgeting on desktop Excel with a precise trackpad? Does it have a built in backlit keyboard for darker rooms and is it comfortable enough to type long Word documents/assignments on? Can you extend it to an external monitor? Can you move your windows around and multitask in a meaningful way? Do you have a proper file manager? Can you god forbid connect a USB or external drive to it easily? Only one machine here can do that and it is not the iPad.
Great video Luke! I like that you always put yourself in the position of someone on a tight budget and help them make smart choices. Not everyone has thousands of dollars for gadgets! Love the channel man. Keep up the great work
Even if you get a MacBook Pro with the anti-reflective coating peeling off of the display, you can easily fix it by removing the rest of the anti-reflective coating.
We have a 6th gen and an 8th gen iPad and they’ve been phenomenal. I’m an android user, but there is no better tablet maker than Apple. We haven’t gotten the 9th gen, and I’m not sure if we will, but our 6th gen is still rocking and rolling and just as usable when compared to nearly all android tabs. Heck. It’s almost as good as the 8th gen.
My daily workflow is built around a 2017 MacBook Pro 13" and an 8th gen iPad. As a piece of hardware, I think I like the iPad more (more portable, more power, better battery life, fanless, no butterfly keyboard, pencil support), but if the iPad broke, I would still be able to use the Mac to get my work done. If the Mac broke, there are things I wouldn't be able to do on the iPad, and I would have to get another Mac (or a PC).
I *really* want an iPad as my daily driver. Thin, lightweight, and true all-day battery. As a software developer, however, I spend much of my day in a command prompt. I live in iTerm2. So yeah, MacOS and a real keyboard are what I need
@@CertifiedSlamboy Good to know. My personal machine is a 2014 MBA. It still works great but has its limitations. I had been thinking about an M1 MBA, but decided to wait for mini-LED to get even better battery life. I’m hoping for either an MBA or fan-less MBP in a smaller package (
The lack of a real keyboard is huge for programming and a lot of other basic task. Yeah you can get those add on keyboards for iPad but they are not going to be something you want to type all day on. And of course ios is both a blessing and a curse. For light use it’s great, but step out of the box for something as complex as coding and all you get is work arounds that never fully overcome the shortcomings of iOS.
Not so long ago,when I was ditching windows PCs, I was wondering would an iPad be enough,or only a mac?At the end I realised both are better,lol, so bought an iPad and bought a MacBook, they are both good in different situations and can't replace one another IMO,so best is to have both.
iPad is far superior for research and reading PDFs and any ebook based work. So definitely they shine in their respective areas. You CAN use the iPad like a netbook for typing and browsing and email, but obviously the ports on a MacBook Pro are superior for what it is also. Both together are the best option. Especially for the base model iPad and a used MacBook Pro. It’s literally cheaper than a new machine, and you get both.
@@ghost-user559 for research I need up to 20 PDFs open at a time and at least 4 on one monitor, so an iPad is typically not feasible with its operating system
@@NFStopsnuf Well for me that is a different phase of research. When I am reading specific text very deeply that is a different step than skimming and comparing 20 sources and compiling a bibliography. But you do have to have a certain workflow and mindset. For example going through one source at a time (which at some point is necessary to actually absorb information on a new topic) the iPad is perfect because as an ereader it excels at hard to read text because you can change the zoom and brightness and orientation in a tactile way very easily, so it is ideal for dealing with specific sources you need to be very familiar with. For broad strokes? Or research on a multitude of sources that you might just have to regurgitate for school or an essay or something? Yeah you probably want multiple monitors. But to me you wouldn’t want just one device anyway because they are focusing on different steps of the research process. Annotating individual sources? iPad. Compiling all your sources and weeding through your entire bibliography? Desktop computer. But only using one and you loose the advantage of the other. Try taking handwritten annotations on your multi monitor display? You cannot. Just like iPad does poorly with spreading out 20 documents all at once. They both have a different place in the research process. If I had to choose one I would use the computer, but the iPad basic is 299$ so no one has to choose only one anymore, they have become affordable devices to integrate into anyone’s workflow.
This video was interesting - thanks Luke for doing these perspective on older/base machines. As you said, I think you can go either way depending on your needs
I bought a MacBook Pro 13 Retina Late 2012 for around 350 with a new battery, I chose this instead of an iPad just because of the bigger screen and it just can do more for the price. Everything runs perfectly smooth too.
I don't have the space to thank you enough for your videos. Not only do you somehow think of EXACTLY what I need to hear about apple products, you do it in a professional, humorous and detailed way with time stamps. Thank you so much or helping us, it's extremely appreciated!
NO sh***t. These videos are so clicky baity. You could take an m1 mba and a ipad and do the same thing. What people that do not nerd out on geekbench realize that they are the 92% of tech users vs the people that always want it to do more than it does and whine (ok whine is strong) or better word state that they always need more. If that is the case build a custom pc. Most people can use an ipad for what they need. Anyways Monday will be here soon. Let the complaining BEGIN!
@@savagligorijevic4639 depends, I tried using a iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard as my main computer because I gifted my MacBook Air but the os was trash to be used as a sole device so I sold everything and got an M1 MacBook pro
Not all Apple desktop users are into graphics design or media. I would never pick a tablet over a proper MacBook Pro with SSD and huge ram (minimum 16 GB)
So sad that the M1 can't address more than 16 gigs of ram. I won't even consider a new laptop unless I can put 64 gigs in it, and if Apple doesn't bring ECC to the next Macbook they can just forget about my patronage altogether.
I agree with your conclusion. I like the idea of using an iPad as a replacement for my laptop but there are just some things that are easier for me to do on the laptop or desktop. For example, I recently had to fill out a mortgage application and I did not even consider doing that with my ipad even though I have a magic keyboard. To me it still doesn't feel like a full laptop for typing. I still use my iPad for lots of stuff like games and content consumption. It is still my favorite for casual old man games. I use it for games more than my switch or phone.
This was a very creative yet practical idea for a video. Thanks for making these! Without being aware of this video, I suggested a few days ago that my girlfriend help her mom (early 80's with early onset dementia) buy exactly this iPad. She has a 2012 MBP 13 and an early base iPad. Both of those devices are well past their prime, and her mom is now at a stage where quality of life and helping her to do things easily will become increasingly important. This video showcases the value proposition for the 2021 iPad makes my point for why I made the recommendation so well I have already told my girlfriend about it.
Thanks Luke. I took the 'poorer man's' route.......I love (and am keeping) my mid 2012 MacBook Pro, but bought the basic iPad just to get a cheap-ish route to another 7 years of support / upgrades to at least one Apple OS
You should consider putting Linux on it now that Apple doesn't support it. You'll be getting security updates that wouldn't otherwise get installed on MacOS.
Ok so : Intel Macs as of right now have 8 years max of software updates (including the original version they ship with). So I think the M1 Macs will have 10 years of software updates (including the original version they shipped with).
@@vihaansingha8340 You can also use patchers made by the community to go well beyond that even. I can get Monterrey on my 2012 MacBook Pro, and it list support on Catalina.
I’m watching this video on my iPad 9 rn and I gotta say, best purchase ever, as a student this is way more versatile and comfortable for me to use as an everyday machine, I’ve written countless notes, essays and more on my iPad while also doubling it as a media consumption device, the display is more than large enough and looks pretty damn good if I do say so, the speakers are loud and clear, there was a never a point while using it where I thought, “damn I wish I bought a laptop”, plus Apple Pencil is a win
I've been using my 2018 iPad pro for so long and just now got a used macbook pro! And I love it was the non touch bar 2017 13in mac configure with an i7, 16Gbs ram, and 256 ssd for only $380! Love using the both of them for school
This video really sold me on the new base iPad. I do own an older MacBook Pro and after I replace the hard drive and the disk Drive for SSD’s I am sure it’s going to enjoy yet another long life. Plus, I can still install windows in it which is fantastic.
This is a little bit off topic because it’s different devices, but I have been using an iPad air 2 with a folding Zagg keyboard case for years and while the ipad has all the limitations of it’s age that you would expect, but that Zagg keyboard case is so much better than any other tablet case out there I can’t figure out why no one else is doing it! The keyboard is comfortable to use, it sits on your lap like a laptop, it’s thin and light, and the battery life is incredible. I try to remember to plug it in every couple of months so I’m not sure how long it will go before it dies, but it lasts forever and I use it constantly. Apparently Zagg has quit making that case for newer devices too (why? Apple copyrights? I don’t know) but I can’t believe no one else makes something like this. I have used a folding case like the one you show and no comparison of comfort of the keyboard keys, etc. I actually originally bought this case at Goodwill before I bought my ipad just because I thought it might make a good bluetooth keyboard to use with my kindle tablet, even if it didn’t snap in. I bought a used iPad air 2 soon after and was pleased to see it coincidentally was the right size for my random case. I’ve replaced it once since then (for $19 new on eBay) and it’s going strong. The hinge broke on the first one, but I’m not particularly careful with it so they have been very durable.
I actually made an attempt at trying to replace a MacBook with an iPad. I sold my previous MacBook and bought a 4th gen iPad Air. While I was able to do a majority of what I would do on the iPad, I found myself wishing I had the MacBook for a few specific tasks. Therefore, I ended up getting myself another MacBook by selling the iPad Air and also being able to get an older iPad Air 2 that still supported the latest iOS.
Since my initial comment, I have swapped back and forth several times lol. I tend to be indecisive. My current iPad is a M1 11 inch iPad Pro and a 2013 MacBook Pro. The MBP I got REALLY cheap from someone on fb market that didn’t know much about it. Turns out the previous owner before they had it had locked it out somehow. I was able to get past that and basically do a complete reset and now it’s working perfect. Only issue is that it needs a screen replacement. It’s not horrible. It could actually be used as is without fixing the screen but I’m gonna get it fixed.
I typically use Apple products for away from desk devices so regardless of the video outcome I would choose the ipad as I will most always have a superior at desk option waiting for me. The extra battery life and content consumption options on the ipad fit my needs more. I also believe that from a budget perspective if someone were trying to start a channel on UA-cam that software to accomplish that would be easier to find on ipad and your trade offs would be less impact than the actual compute loss from an older gen macbook like in the video. Cool comparison!
If you are a creative professional, you might want both. Scenario: Graphic designer. Macbook Pro sits on a laptop stand with external monitors, mouse and keyboard hooked up. Ipad used to hand draw stuff with apple pencil and then airdrop the files to the macbook for integration into larger projects using the full adobe suite.
As part of my emergency go bag, I have an iPad that is added to it I also have an iPad Mini that gets given to any companion that is exiting with me. These are meant to be backups to cell phones and are registered with alternative service providers for the cell phones.
The sole thing that I miss on my iPad is a full version of office. The iOS version has become better over the years, but it’s still not as good as the MacOS version. Apple page is wayyyy better on the ipad.
Just ordered a late 2013 MacBook pro with a 15 inch display, I7 8 gigs,, and 256gig storage no delamination for under $350. Hard to beat. Also got offers from several other ebay sellers to lower their price on other MBPs. I think they want to dump anything that will not get updates. 2015 and higher still supported on the latest update. However with a patcher you can still get latest Macos. For now.
MacBook Pro unless you need the extra power. I've been using a 2013 i7 MBP attached to a 27" monitor and loving the double screen, the keyboard, and the options. Sure the 8gb of RAM can be an issue along with heat/fan if you try to do too much (too many CPU/RAM sucking apps) but for most tasks it works very well. iPad would be a poor replacement for me. I am likely to replace it with a M1X Mac mini soon though!
It's not either/or for some of us. In addition to a pair of new M1 iMacs, which we use for most of our main solo work, my wife and I both have older MBPs (2012 and 2015) and a pair of relatively new (last year) iPads. When we're working together, facing one another across a table, we use the MBPs to access files we're reviewing and we use the iPads for a number of specialized foreign-language apps that are available to each of us individually for quick look-ups.
While I prefer the way MacOS handles multitasking and just overall functionality for productivity tasks, if you are spending $400 on a computer, you’re likely going to only use one or two applications at a time and the iPad does that type of multitasking incredibly well.
Does it run common desktop apps? Can you easily do some budgeting on (desktop w/ formulas) Excel with a precise trackpad? Does it have a built in backlit keyboard for darker rooms and is it comfortable enough to type long Word documents/assignments on? Can you extend it to an external monitor? Can you move your windows around and multitask in a meaningful way? Do you have a proper file manager? Can you god forbid connect a USB or external drive to it easily? Only one machine here can do that and it isn't the iPad. I think the average user doing regular productivity work will be more annoyed by the walls they run into with an iPad as their main computer, than they would on a new budget pc or used high-end Windows laptop/Macbook. After all many of us did those same things in 2014 with a regular desktop OS, the processing power is adequate for basic productivity work. The iPad is limited not by raw processing power but software limiations.
I have found that Numbers works better for me on the MacBook Air then it does on my iPad. Still spent 5 years as an iPad only user tho and the M1 Air is my first Mac. Lovin both and both have pros and cons.
For 330 usd about 300 pounds you can get a better xiaomi pad 5 here In the uk 6gb ram +128gb 120hz ips Dolby vision 10 bit full screen display Snapdragon 860 7nm which delivers better performance than the a13
Nice video. I've recently made the transition from carrying an iPad, Magic Mouse, Magic Keyboard, and stand to carrying a laptop. I mostly used my iPad for text, email, phone calls, FaceTime, and media consumption. Then I remembered I had a Late 2014 MacBook Pro lying around. My laptop bag got heavier. But my everyday setup is cleaner and easier to use. Due to my low demand on the MacBook, I haven't experienced any performance issues. Being that both devices are performing the same low demand task, my MacBook is definitely faster. But then again, it may be that I am more efficient on the MacBook. Just create desktop shortcuts to your favorite websites, change the icons to you liking, then an old MacBook can be a perfect couch buddy.
My combination has been iPad and iMac for years. Currently my 10.5” iPad Pro with Logitech Combo Touch keyboard replaces most day to day tasks - writing, surfing, gaming and creative stuff with Procreate and Lightroom. It’s great. The iMac is for when I need to get a lot done, and finish off Lightroom stuff. But everyone’s needs are different, which is what I ask folk when they ask me whether to get an iPad or not.
@@grumbirky I don't have that issue yet with the light spots, because I always kept a tempered glass protector on it. I am getting my battery replaced as I type this. With this model I know battery replacement becomes necessary after a good 3-4 years of usage. And only costs 100 bucks.
Hi Luke. First of all thanks for the excellent content you bring to us. That is another good one in regards to cost-effectiveness when comparing devices. One thing to maybe check again is the upgradability of the MacBook. I had that same MacBook for a few years and I’m pretty sure there is no way to upgrade its SSD since is tin plated to the motherboard. Thanks again.
I am still using a 2015 13 inch retina macbook pro. And I have the latest entry level ipad as well as an Ipad pro 2017 10.5 model. While I absolutely love my iPad's and have a lot of use for them they simply lack the fluidity of the macbook, even one as old as the one I am typing this message on. The Eco-system and ease of use of a macbook pro is simply unbeatable. For the record I also have one of the touch bar macbook pro's and I still use the 2015 one more. That said, there are things I prefer to do on the iPad, such as reading comic books and ereader apps. Photo editing may be better on a iPad but still do it on the Macbook mostly using preview believe it or not. Bottom line is, Macbooks are still fantastic machines even ones that are 6 years old. If I wanna do heavy lifting an M1 Mac Mini for about $550 is there for me.
Thanks Luke. My standard iPad (6th gen) doesn't cut it for editing video - can't edit Dolby Vision HDR, and it can't auto-sync audio. LumaFusion was supposed to get audio auto-sync "sometime this summer," but nope. I'd never buy a 2014 Mac, nor would I upgrade my iPad to a Gen 9. With an M1 Mac Mini I could run FCP and Compressor to get good-looking small files out of Dolby Vision footage. PLUS Macs are more fun - file management in iPadOS is awful, especially if you aren't in an all-Apple environment (no PCs allowed). So - Mac, Mac, Mac.
I would go with the MacBook Pro, as you mentioned, even for the things like browsing etc, we run to the 12 year old MacBook Pro, and that's well, true with most of the people, I have the Macbook Air M1 and a 2012 MacBook Pro and an IPad Air 4th Gen, but still i run to either of my MacBook's for small stuff like watching a video on youtube or browsing etc
You know if you use and iPad as a Mac replacement you yourself will be frustrated with all the limitations you get from iPad os for very simple task you have to use time consuming workarounds.
I sold my MacBook Pro and bought a 27” iMac thinking that I could do all the portable things I need to do on the iPad I have. I have since realised how frustrating iOS can be for the more administrative type work I do. So, I have now bought an old 2013 13” MBPro to supplement what the iPad isn’t so good at.
I use an older IPad Air with a keyboard as my only mobile computer for studying and granted, I’m not rly pushing it (just Office, Mails, Browsing the Web, Netflix). But it is doing everything rly good
I spend most of my day creating and editing MS Word documents. Hard enough to do that on a laptop - the tiny toy keyboard of the iPad would drive me nuts in no time.
The iPad can replace a computer for people who don't need a computer. It's like asking: "Could this dirt cheap new bicycle replace a twenty year old used car?" Yes, it absolutely can. If you don't need a car. Makes no fucking sense, to be honest.
I do think Luke makes a good point here. Compare two Apple devices you can buy for the same amount. For an only / primary device I would not hesitate a second and choose the MacBook in a heartbeat. The iPad is certainly very usable but I only use mine to make notes on pdf files with an Apple pencil for which I bought a very cheap secondhand set (iPad, keyboard, pencil) :- )). The MacBook is and always will be the absolute King of my Apple ecosystem. The iPhone coming in at second place at a long distance.
You said it perfectly but why not both? as an intel late 2013 MbP 15 user, the iPad with the smart keyboard is perfect for 90% of the tasks of what a laptop can do but I use the MacBook for pure development work.
There is definitely a use case for both of them, i personally use a 2012 MacBook Pro on Monterey with OCLP, and its working just fine for me, but I do see the value of the iPad in some perspective.
I have been using the iPad 9th Gen as a replacement for my MacBook Air 2017. Personally, I do not miss the MacBook all that much. The iPad has the functionality of a keyboard with a track pad (Logitech) and also the ability to connect with a mouse. Admittedly, my usage is limited to browsing, email, social media and online shopping. All of which work well. I choose to move to the iPad only because t’s cheaper with the option of a keyboard and mouse. I would not have switched otherwise.
I have ordered the basic new iPad 2021 at work to complement my MacBook M1 Pro 13.3 16/512GB. It's main use is for quick emails (MS Office etc), scheduling and quick browsing. It will come into its own using the Apple pencil on MS White Board and OneNote, as I teach engineering + it is a second screen with sidecar etc.. As I have a personal smart keyboard and pencil already, and my Uni gets decent discounts for staff and students, the basic 2021 iPad is a bargain. I'm a value seeker so have an iPhone SE2, which is also great value and acts as a mobile hotspot. Given you can get both the new iPad and an iPhone SE2 for less than a new iPhone 13 - these are bargain and high quality products. I am looking forward to trying center stage as well.
If you are going to use the old mac for a short time then you should opt for the MacBook, but if you are going to use it for a bit more longer then you should opt for the iPad because Apple now has a pc performance iPad (iPad pro m1) which is more capable than what the iPad os is meant for so they will eventually give the iPad os more multitasking capabilities and professional apps like Davinci resolve. And if that is the case then the iPad will receive multitasking capabilities ect in a few years and will surpass some more expensive new laptops.
Hi Mr.Luke Miani .... I am a student... And I bought a MacBook Air with m1 chip... It costed me around $879.99 in Costco.. Can you make an unboxing video on that mac air and speak abt the drawbacks and good features about it.... Ur channel is great Thank you:)
I’ve recently lost 3 machines due to failure on logic boards. 2011 MacBook Pro (my college workhorse), 2012 MacBook Pro (non retina), 2009 Mac Pro (my favorite machine). This forced me to use my 2018 iPad and my 2012 iPhone pro max a bit more. To be truthful, if I didn’t work for companies that require me to edit in davinci resolve, the iPad is quite powerful with the right accessories. Logitech combo touch, wd 4tb my passport wireless pro, and a couple of usb a to lightning flash drives, and the standard dongle life, The iPad is quite a work horse!
I live in India and last year I had nothing but the iPad 8th gen, I used it with a simple case, a bluetooth keyboard (cheap af but very very good quality and keys were great) and a bluetooth mouse (again cheap af but pretty amazing) and it worked perfectly, much better setup than buying the original apple keyboard (which costs 185$ here and pretty difficult to find used). The iPad here costs 400 bucks and the setup I had costed me around 35 bucks so yeah it was great value for money
Thoughts: no trackpad on iPad? A Logitech combo touch for $150 is a great keyboard/trackpad/case. It also has a kickstand, so it’s better (not great) on the lap. Brydge makes solid iPad keyboards that basically turn them into laptops (in the literal sense). The Mac is better if you need features that are only available on a Mac, ie Mac only software, Windows, heavy multitasking. Otherwise, go with the iPad.
8:15...No brainer for me. Have to say that I much prefer the look and versatility of a nice laptop than any iPad and keyboard.👍If you've got more money then there's no way would I pay £1,000 for a spec'd up iPad Air and keyboard when for the same (or less) money I could get a M1 MacBook Air. Nice video by the way.😎
Glad you made this video. I have the new base model iPad and am very happy with what you get for the price. I also have a 2012 Macbook Pro and I rarely use it anymore. The only upside for the older Macbook is the connectivity of drives, ect... I also agree with you on the app functionality being inferior to Mac OS. Like on Amazon I like to open multiple tabs and you can't do that with the app. I suppose I could open Amazon in the browser on the iPad?
I own a MacBook Pro 2015 and also an Android tablet. If I have the choice, I'll always go with the MacBook, purely because I find it more enjoyable to use a laptop device than a tablet, even one with a keyboard. Its a personal preference that might change with time. Having said that, I use my tablet a lot for reading. I don't view them as comparable devices.
I've been a macOS user since late 2009. I have been an iPad user since 2018. I Choose the 9th gen iPad over the 2014 MBP. As I am a hobby artist and I cannot do with out the Apple Pencil.
Honestly if you're not a super dedicated user or relying on MacOS to make a living, the iPad is probably the better choice. The portability is just wild and if you really need desktop-esque experience you can always rent a Mac mini in the cloud and access that from anywhere.
@@subhadeepdutta3086 Yes. Apple will never port MacOS to iPad. So iPad can never be a proper laptop replacement. But if you're a real light user and instead of buying a budget friendly Core i3 laptop from 2017, you buy the base model iPad 9th gen, its a pretty solid deal.
Dude, just throwing it out there as food for thought, while the entire argument is tight, but basic ipad has very little actual feature in real life situations assuming everyone still has a phone, while the old mac is still pretty loaded with value is that is what the budget is. So I think if it is down to the basic ipad, the older mac is a better choice. I only grabbed the mini this time around, and I have an older ipad pro, and a really old ipad air around, but to me, I think the older Macbook pro has so much more real life applications in comparison. This of course is doubled up by the more languages I speak making some software library and or media content libraries so much richer when you add in the parallel desktop features.
Hey Luke great video ! How about an update . I bought my iPad 9 for $270 as a 2nd apple and love it for ease of use . I am a consumer as a user. I take my iPad to my nightstand in the evenings . Besides an update what about a work around and show us how to add a ssd or any memory options that work with lighting ?
I mean ever since Apple brought full desktop class browsing to the iPad it has actually been a viable replacement for a computer. At least for anyone who does the majority of their work online (like most kids these days buying chrome books) I am honestly shocked Apple does not work at the iPad more heavily towards students. There are a lot of ways it’s actually superior to chrome books at least in its price category. Especially when you factor in the education discount
Luke! I need the update to your certained budget with all of Apple Ecosystem! It is the most intriguing discussion to me right now! You can start with $1000 Apple Ecosystem Budget! Desperately! 😩
Luke Miani I have a question So I have an old iPad that won't turn on unless I plug it in... When I do that my iPad is stuck in boot loop.. When I connect it to my Mac it won't show the Apple Logo...
Luke, I sell a lot of used laptops and what I do to remove the majority of stickers on any laptop is I take an old hair dryer put it on medium or high and within minutes the stickers will peal off without leaving residue. Easee Peasee..
Whilst I own a MBP, I can say that my iPad is used so much more overall I am quite a hands on person, so writing notes by hand, drawing etc are things I do basically daily My MBP is mainly used for heavy document typing (I don’t use a keyboard currently with my iPad), some picture editing and surprisingly gaming (not only on the M1, used to do gaming on my old MBA back in 2014 as well) If I had to get rid of one though, I would 100% ditch the MBP over the iPad as I can do almost everything comfortably with it these days
Thanks a lot for this thought-provoking discussion! This topic kind of reminding me of the topic on the IOSification of the macOS........ which a lot of the macOS fans afraid of!
I used an iPad Pro as my main computer for a few months. It’s great for most tasks but the few things that require a proper desktop OS for are frustrating as hell to do on iPad OS
So true. I’d go full iPad if there was a way to boot macOS for occasional use. Or if iPadOS was treated as seriously as the hardware deserves
100% - using an iPad Pro as a main device is awesome ... until it isn’t. The final straw was when I needed to resize a PDF and print it . I shouldn’t be pinching to resize if I already know the dimensions I need.
iPad OS simply isn’t there as yet. Especially that “mouse” system.
@@dextertittil from what I got from the last few events, there are no plans to get iPadOS there. Apple seems to have it stuck in their head that this is a supplemental device ONLY to be used alongside everything else. Which is fine I guess but only if ur aware of that going in
There is parallels if you really want to have a desktop os on it
The average user doesn't apply color grading, title and edit 4K footage in Final Cut pro. Those who do would not probably actively search out a 2014 mbp in the first place.
I have this MacBook Pro and editing 1080p footage with LUTs, CG etc. is horrible... Even basic Photoshop editing is not a good experience... so I'm waiting for the new MacBooks on Monday
2015 MBP is the greatest Mac for devs ever if you ask in emerging markets
@@jorrit_o Photoshop is smooth on a 2014 MBA so how could it be horrible on a Pro with a GPU and SSD ?
@@denniskoeman3098 It’s not horrible but compared to the M1 MBA it’s not a good experience working with >30MP photos… very usable, but not great… still a better experience than using it on my 2019 iPad… the 13“ MBP also doesn’t have a dedicated GPU though….
@@jorrit_o Yeah was referring to 15 inches
I just bought the iPad 9th gen because I saw your first video about this new iPad, and I’m very happy. Thanks for help us with your amazing content Luke!
Frugal computing! A great theme. Luke, you are filling a valuable knowledge niche, done with mindfulness and great care. Gratitude.
GREAT VIDEO!!
For the 'General Person', I think you are spot on with your choice Luke (won't spoil what product this is). So many people think of the traditional ways to do daily tasks they need the traditional Apple Machine, but Apple offer an alternative to get these tasks done and a lot of people fit into this catogery but not aware of this. Thank You for making them aware.
Dude ur vids are just the same shit you regurgitate over and over
@@sarhan_, your spelling and grammar needs some work.
Great answer, +15 social credit! Your ability to consoom new products from The World's Largest Corporation™️ has qualified you to become an officially compensated Covert Apple Representative. Well done!
@@michaelhall9146 and probably Matt talks tech,there’s some spelling errors like category
Does it run common desktop apps? Can you easily do some budgeting on desktop Excel with a precise trackpad? Does it have a built in backlit keyboard for darker rooms and is it comfortable enough to type long Word documents/assignments on? Can you extend it to an external monitor? Can you move your windows around and multitask in a meaningful way? Do you have a proper file manager? Can you god forbid connect a USB or external drive to it easily? Only one machine here can do that and it is not the iPad.
Great video Luke! I like that you always put yourself in the position of someone on a tight budget and help them make smart choices. Not everyone has thousands of dollars for gadgets! Love the channel man. Keep up the great work
Even if you get a MacBook Pro with the anti-reflective coating peeling off of the display, you can easily fix it by removing the rest of the anti-reflective coating.
😂. Mind = Blown
That’s what I did with my used 2015 MacBook Pro!
How would you do it? I want the stains out...
@@kairumk baby wipes/ wet wipes, theres an acidic solution in most brands
(its probably what damaged it in the first place)
@@gfx8391 on my 2013 macbook pro i had, i used some Lysol disinfect wipes. worked like a charm
We have a 6th gen and an 8th gen iPad and they’ve been phenomenal. I’m an android user, but there is no better tablet maker than Apple. We haven’t gotten the 9th gen, and I’m not sure if we will, but our 6th gen is still rocking and rolling and just as usable when compared to nearly all android tabs. Heck. It’s almost as good as the 8th gen.
My daily workflow is built around a 2017 MacBook Pro 13" and an 8th gen iPad. As a piece of hardware, I think I like the iPad more (more portable, more power, better battery life, fanless, no butterfly keyboard, pencil support), but if the iPad broke, I would still be able to use the Mac to get my work done. If the Mac broke, there are things I wouldn't be able to do on the iPad, and I would have to get another Mac (or a PC).
I *really* want an iPad as my daily driver. Thin, lightweight, and true all-day battery. As a software developer, however, I spend much of my day in a command prompt. I live in iTerm2. So yeah, MacOS and a real keyboard are what I need
I'll add one thing.
I do not (and have never got) all day battery life from any iPad I have used as my DD.
You know what I do get it on? My M1 MBA.
@@CertifiedSlamboy Good to know. My personal machine is a 2014 MBA. It still works great but has its limitations. I had been thinking about an M1 MBA, but decided to wait for mini-LED to get even better battery life. I’m hoping for either an MBA or fan-less MBP in a smaller package (
The lack of a real keyboard is huge for programming and a lot of other basic task. Yeah you can get those add on keyboards for iPad but they are not going to be something you want to type all day on.
And of course ios is both a blessing and a curse. For light use it’s great, but step out of the box for something as complex as coding and all you get is work arounds that never fully overcome the shortcomings of iOS.
It sounds like an M1 MacBook Air would be great for you!
Depending on what you need iterm for, I use blink on my ipad a lot to ssh into servers
Not so long ago,when I was ditching windows PCs, I was wondering would an iPad be enough,or only a mac?At the end I realised both are better,lol, so bought an iPad and bought a MacBook, they are both good in different situations and can't replace one another IMO,so best is to have both.
Well tbf Sidecar is the only reason why I’ll buy an iPad.
And that’s the reason why iPadOS is closer to iOS so that you can buy both.
iPad is far superior for research and reading PDFs and any ebook based work. So definitely they shine in their respective areas. You CAN use the iPad like a netbook for typing and browsing and email, but obviously the ports on a MacBook Pro are superior for what it is also.
Both together are the best option. Especially for the base model iPad and a used MacBook Pro. It’s literally cheaper than a new machine, and you get both.
@@ghost-user559 for research I need up to 20 PDFs open at a time and at least 4 on one monitor, so an iPad is typically not feasible with its operating system
@@NFStopsnuf Well for me that is a different phase of research. When I am reading specific text very deeply that is a different step than skimming and comparing 20 sources and compiling a bibliography. But you do have to have a certain workflow and mindset.
For example going through one source at a time (which at some point is necessary to actually absorb information on a new topic) the iPad is perfect because as an ereader it excels at hard to read text because you can change the zoom and brightness and orientation in a tactile way very easily, so it is ideal for dealing with specific sources you need to be very familiar with.
For broad strokes? Or research on a multitude of sources that you might just have to regurgitate for school or an essay or something? Yeah you probably want multiple monitors.
But to me you wouldn’t want just one device anyway because they are focusing on different steps of the research process. Annotating individual sources? iPad. Compiling all your sources and weeding through your entire bibliography? Desktop computer.
But only using one and you loose the advantage of the other.
Try taking handwritten annotations on your multi monitor display? You cannot. Just like iPad does poorly with spreading out 20 documents all at once. They both have a different place in the research process.
If I had to choose one I would use the computer, but the iPad basic is 299$ so no one has to choose only one anymore, they have become affordable devices to integrate into anyone’s workflow.
This video was interesting - thanks Luke for doing these perspective on older/base machines. As you said, I think you can go either way depending on your needs
I bought a MacBook Pro 13 Retina Late 2012 for around 350 with a new battery, I chose this instead of an iPad just because of the bigger screen and it just can do more for the price. Everything runs perfectly smooth too.
I don't have the space to thank you enough for your videos. Not only do you somehow think of EXACTLY what I need to hear about apple products, you do it in a professional, humorous and detailed way with time stamps. Thank you so much or helping us, it's extremely appreciated!
I really was not a big fan of the older MacBooks until Luke really made them popular!
same😅
I liked this video more than I thought I would. Valid points on both sides. And your luck with the eBay lottery is on point as always.
Spoiler: it depends on your usage scenario.
NO sh***t. These videos are so clicky baity. You could take an m1 mba and a ipad and do the same thing. What people that do not nerd out on geekbench realize that they are the 92% of tech users vs the people that always want it to do more than it does and whine (ok whine is strong) or better word state that they always need more. If that is the case build a custom pc. Most people can use an ipad for what they need. Anyways Monday will be here soon. Let the complaining BEGIN!
@@roguewavecreative if devices are different that should already mean what's the you tuber is gonna say, like you said: it depends
@@roguewavecreative nope, I use the macbook and it's bad. the iPad is much better value
@@savagligorijevic4639 depends, I tried using a iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard as my main computer because I gifted my MacBook Air but the os was trash to be used as a sole device so I sold everything and got an M1 MacBook pro
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This was my search today and now he makes a video about it! Mindreader!
The best thing about your content is, it’s transparent, no oversell , just great video👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Not all Apple desktop users are into graphics design or media.
I would never pick a tablet over a proper MacBook Pro with SSD and huge ram (minimum 16 GB)
So sad that the M1 can't address more than 16 gigs of ram. I won't even consider a new laptop unless I can put 64 gigs in it, and if Apple doesn't bring ECC to the next Macbook they can just forget about my patronage altogether.
@@dial2616 apple event today, your wishes will be fullfilled
@@marwin436 does the new macbook have error correcting memory yet?
@@dial2616 the event didnt even start
@@marwin436 i thought you said my wishes were fulfilled though
dang luke, the b roll in this video is astonishing! keep up the good work!
I agree with your conclusion. I like the idea of using an iPad as a replacement for my laptop but there are just some things that are easier for me to do on the laptop or desktop. For example, I recently had to fill out a mortgage application and I did not even consider doing that with my ipad even though I have a magic keyboard. To me it still doesn't feel like a full laptop for typing. I still use my iPad for lots of stuff like games and content consumption. It is still my favorite for casual old man games. I use it for games more than my switch or phone.
This was a very creative yet practical idea for a video. Thanks for making these!
Without being aware of this video, I suggested a few days ago that my girlfriend help her mom (early 80's with early onset dementia) buy exactly this iPad. She has a 2012 MBP 13 and an early base iPad. Both of those devices are well past their prime, and her mom is now at a stage where quality of life and helping her to do things easily will become increasingly important. This video showcases the value proposition for the 2021 iPad makes my point for why I made the recommendation so well I have already told my girlfriend about it.
Your content is the answer to my questions. You are amazing ❤.
Thanks Luke. I took the 'poorer man's' route.......I love (and am keeping) my mid 2012 MacBook Pro, but bought the basic iPad just to get a cheap-ish route to another 7 years of support / upgrades to at least one Apple OS
Did you know that OpenCore Legacy patcher can patch macOS Big Sir or Monterey to run smoothly on macs 2009 or newer?
I am still using macbook pro mid 2012. New hard drive but I still love it.
Same. Its really not slow for me at all and doesnt use up anywhere near close to 16 gbs of ram.
It's great with a SSD and 16 GB ram despite the outdated design.
Also hosts one the greatest keyboards ever
You should consider putting Linux on it now that Apple doesn't support it. You'll be getting security updates that wouldn't otherwise get installed on MacOS.
@@denniskoeman3098 I know, love the keyboard too.
@@dial2616 Thanks, I don't really know how to do that. My repair guy who installed the new hard drive told me specially not to install chrome though.
You bring up an interesting idea regarding software longevity on the Mac. I wonder if we’ll start to get 7 years of software updates with the M1 macs?
interesting thought Alex
Ok so :
Intel Macs as of right now have 8 years max of software updates (including the original version they ship with).
So I think the M1 Macs will have 10 years of software updates (including the original version they shipped with).
@@vihaansingha8340 You can also use patchers made by the community to go well beyond that even.
I can get Monterrey on my 2012 MacBook Pro, and it list support on Catalina.
Amazing video ! I’ve actually upgraded my mid 2014 MacBook Pro with a M1 Mac mini for my home office and an ipad 8 for Uni last year.
You're the most outstanding analyzer for choosing affordable and suitable Apple devices. Please review and analyze apple pencils, warches and Airpods.
Very interesting 🤔 watching in my iPad 6 and still fine on my mid 2012 mbp
exactly what i wanted to see at exactly the right time
I’m watching this video on my iPad 9 rn and I gotta say, best purchase ever, as a student this is way more versatile and comfortable for me to use as an everyday machine, I’ve written countless notes, essays and more on my iPad while also doubling it as a media consumption device, the display is more than large enough and looks pretty damn good if I do say so, the speakers are loud and clear, there was a never a point while using it where I thought, “damn I wish I bought a laptop”, plus Apple Pencil is a win
Nice video. I’ve always loved the combo of iMac + iPad (Pro). That’s not for everyone off course but I think you get the best of both worlds.
I've been using my 2018 iPad pro for so long and just now got a used macbook pro! And I love it was the non touch bar 2017 13in mac configure with an i7, 16Gbs ram, and 256 ssd for only $380! Love using the both of them for school
This video really sold me on the new base iPad. I do own an older MacBook Pro and after I replace the hard drive and the disk Drive for SSD’s I am sure it’s going to enjoy yet another long life. Plus, I can still install windows in it which is fantastic.
since i bought an m1 mac mini, i search for a mac device to accompany it...the ipad you refer to, seems a good idea!!!thanks Luke!!!
This is a little bit off topic because it’s different devices, but I have been using an iPad air 2 with a folding Zagg keyboard case for years and while the ipad has all the limitations of it’s age that you would expect, but that Zagg keyboard case is so much better than any other tablet case out there I can’t figure out why no one else is doing it! The keyboard is comfortable to use, it sits on your lap like a laptop, it’s thin and light, and the battery life is incredible. I try to remember to plug it in every couple of months so I’m not sure how long it will go before it dies, but it lasts forever and I use it constantly. Apparently Zagg has quit making that case for newer devices too (why? Apple copyrights? I don’t know) but I can’t believe no one else makes something like this. I have used a folding case like the one you show and no comparison of comfort of the keyboard keys, etc. I actually originally bought this case at Goodwill before I bought my ipad just because I thought it might make a good bluetooth keyboard to use with my kindle tablet, even if it didn’t snap in. I bought a used iPad air 2 soon after and was pleased to see it coincidentally was the right size for my random case. I’ve replaced it once since then (for $19 new on eBay) and it’s going strong. The hinge broke on the first one, but I’m not particularly careful with it so they have been very durable.
I actually made an attempt at trying to replace a MacBook with an iPad. I sold my previous MacBook and bought a 4th gen iPad Air. While I was able to do a majority of what I would do on the iPad, I found myself wishing I had the MacBook for a few specific tasks. Therefore, I ended up getting myself another MacBook by selling the iPad Air and also being able to get an older iPad Air 2 that still supported the latest iOS.
You should've chosen a newer ipad air 2. I'm pretty sure thats the last update it gets...
Since my initial comment, I have swapped back and forth several times lol. I tend to be indecisive. My current iPad is a M1 11 inch iPad Pro and a 2013 MacBook Pro. The MBP I got REALLY cheap from someone on fb market that didn’t know much about it. Turns out the previous owner before they had it had locked it out somehow. I was able to get past that and basically do a complete reset and now it’s working perfect. Only issue is that it needs a screen replacement. It’s not horrible. It could actually be used as is without fixing the screen but I’m gonna get it fixed.
Thank you for your videos Luke! I found it soothing the music and video on minute 5:21 while you cleaning up the macbook 😇
It sounded like Mr Rogers neighborhood. I mean that in a good way. I thought he was going to take us to the land of make believe.
For a moment I thought to get iPad Pro for video editing instead of M1 MacBook. But gave up the idea
Dang, 1 year warranty in the US. That's pretty shitty. We get 2 years on *everything*. I guess that's why we have higher VAT.
I typically use Apple products for away from desk devices so regardless of the video outcome I would choose the ipad as I will most always have a superior at desk option waiting for me. The extra battery life and content consumption options on the ipad fit my needs more. I also believe that from a budget perspective if someone were trying to start a channel on UA-cam that software to accomplish that would be easier to find on ipad and your trade offs would be less impact than the actual compute loss from an older gen macbook like in the video. Cool comparison!
If you are a creative professional, you might want both. Scenario: Graphic designer. Macbook Pro sits on a laptop stand with external monitors, mouse and keyboard hooked up. Ipad used to hand draw stuff with apple pencil and then airdrop the files to the macbook for integration into larger projects using the full adobe suite.
As part of my emergency go bag, I have an iPad that is added to it I also have an iPad Mini that gets given to any companion that is exiting with me. These are meant to be backups to cell phones and are registered with alternative service providers for the cell phones.
This is like having a old car but with V8.. design might be old but performance 📈📈
this comparison is like all car metaphors. it sucks
More like a 2.3 mustang.
@@CyberPunkSimms yea and M1 macs are like the BMW M1
@@AidenRZ777 M1? Isn’t that car from the 70s? Or are you referring to the 1 series m sport?
The sole thing that I miss on my iPad is a full version of office. The iOS version has become better over the years, but it’s still not as good as the MacOS version. Apple page is wayyyy better on the ipad.
Just ordered a late 2013 MacBook pro with a 15 inch display, I7 8 gigs,, and 256gig storage no delamination for under $350. Hard to beat. Also got offers from several other ebay sellers to lower their price on other MBPs. I think they want to dump anything that will not get updates. 2015 and higher still supported on the latest update. However with a patcher you can still get latest Macos. For now.
I would go with the MacBook, as all the cons for the iPad are literally must haves for me for a daily driver device.
You should compare the 12.9 in iPad Pro the first generation which is about $350 to the Mac would be more even comparison
Thank you for actually answering the question you asked👍🏾
MacBook Pro unless you need the extra power. I've been using a 2013 i7 MBP attached to a 27" monitor and loving the double screen, the keyboard, and the options. Sure the 8gb of RAM can be an issue along with heat/fan if you try to do too much (too many CPU/RAM sucking apps) but for most tasks it works very well. iPad would be a poor replacement for me. I am likely to replace it with a M1X Mac mini soon though!
It's not either/or for some of us. In addition to a pair of new M1 iMacs, which we use for most of our main solo work, my wife and I both have older MBPs (2012 and 2015) and a pair of relatively new (last year) iPads. When we're working together, facing one another across a table, we use the MBPs to access files we're reviewing and we use the iPads for a number of specialized foreign-language apps that are available to each of us individually for quick look-ups.
While I prefer the way MacOS handles multitasking and just overall functionality for productivity tasks, if you are spending $400 on a computer, you’re likely going to only use one or two applications at a time and the iPad does that type of multitasking incredibly well.
Does it run common desktop apps? Can you easily do some budgeting on (desktop w/ formulas) Excel with a precise trackpad? Does it have a built in backlit keyboard for darker rooms and is it comfortable enough to type long Word documents/assignments on? Can you extend it to an external monitor? Can you move your windows around and multitask in a meaningful way? Do you have a proper file manager? Can you god forbid connect a USB or external drive to it easily? Only one machine here can do that and it isn't the iPad.
I think the average user doing regular productivity work will be more annoyed by the walls they run into with an iPad as their main computer, than they would on a new budget pc or used high-end Windows laptop/Macbook. After all many of us did those same things in 2014 with a regular desktop OS, the processing power is adequate for basic productivity work. The iPad is limited not by raw processing power but software limiations.
My primary is a 4th gen iPad Air. Bought it last year, haven’t missed a laptop at all.
I have found that Numbers works better for me on the MacBook Air then it does on my iPad. Still spent 5 years as an iPad only user tho and the M1 Air is my first Mac. Lovin both and both have pros and cons.
For 330 usd about 300 pounds you can get a better xiaomi pad 5 here In the uk
6gb ram +128gb
120hz ips Dolby vision 10 bit full screen display
Snapdragon 860 7nm which delivers better performance than the a13
Nice video. I've recently made the transition from carrying an iPad, Magic Mouse, Magic Keyboard, and stand to carrying a laptop. I mostly used my iPad for text, email, phone calls, FaceTime, and media consumption. Then I remembered I had a Late 2014 MacBook Pro lying around. My laptop bag got heavier. But my everyday setup is cleaner and easier to use. Due to my low demand on the MacBook, I haven't experienced any performance issues. Being that both devices are performing the same low demand task, my MacBook is definitely faster. But then again, it may be that I am more efficient on the MacBook. Just create desktop shortcuts to your favorite websites, change the icons to you liking, then an old MacBook can be a perfect couch buddy.
My combination has been iPad and iMac for years. Currently my 10.5” iPad Pro with Logitech Combo Touch keyboard replaces most day to day tasks - writing, surfing, gaming and creative stuff with Procreate and Lightroom. It’s great. The iMac is for when I need to get a lot done, and finish off Lightroom stuff. But everyone’s needs are different, which is what I ask folk when they ask me whether to get an iPad or not.
Is that the 2017 ipad pro? I have that one also.
@@ClayMationNation Yes, it would be perfect if it wasn’t for the light spots near the home button, and the bad battery life.
@@grumbirky I don't have that issue yet with the light spots, because I always kept a tempered glass protector on it. I am getting my battery replaced as I type this. With this model I know battery replacement becomes necessary after a good 3-4 years of usage. And only costs 100 bucks.
Hi Luke. First of all thanks for the excellent content you bring to us. That is another good one in regards to cost-effectiveness when comparing devices.
One thing to maybe check again is the upgradability of the MacBook. I had that same MacBook for a few years and I’m pretty sure there is no way to upgrade its SSD since is tin plated to the motherboard.
Thanks again.
any macbook pro before the 2016 touch bar macbook pro had upgradable storage you might have a newer model.
I am still using a 2015 13 inch retina macbook pro. And I have the latest entry level ipad as well as an Ipad pro 2017 10.5 model. While I absolutely love my iPad's and have a lot of use for them they simply lack the fluidity of the macbook, even one as old as the one I am typing this message on. The Eco-system and ease of use of a macbook pro is simply unbeatable. For the record I also have one of the touch bar macbook pro's and I still use the 2015 one more. That said, there are things I prefer to do on the iPad, such as reading comic books and ereader apps. Photo editing may be better on a iPad but still do it on the Macbook mostly using preview believe it or not. Bottom line is, Macbooks are still fantastic machines even ones that are 6 years old. If I wanna do heavy lifting an M1 Mac Mini for about $550 is there for me.
That Macbook is literally the same as the one I'm watching the video with!
Thanks Luke. My standard iPad (6th gen) doesn't cut it for editing video - can't edit Dolby Vision HDR, and it can't auto-sync audio. LumaFusion was supposed to get audio auto-sync "sometime this summer," but nope. I'd never buy a 2014 Mac, nor would I upgrade my iPad to a Gen 9. With an M1 Mac Mini I could run FCP and Compressor to get good-looking small files out of Dolby Vision footage. PLUS Macs are more fun - file management in iPadOS is awful, especially if you aren't in an all-Apple environment (no PCs allowed). So - Mac, Mac, Mac.
I would go with the MacBook Pro, as you mentioned, even for the things like browsing etc, we run to the 12 year old MacBook Pro, and that's well, true with most of the people, I have the Macbook Air M1 and a 2012 MacBook Pro and an IPad Air 4th Gen, but still i run to either of my MacBook's for small stuff like watching a video on youtube or browsing etc
This was actually a very clever video. Thanks
You know if you use and iPad as a Mac replacement you yourself will be frustrated with all the limitations you get from iPad os for very simple task you have to use time consuming workarounds.
I sold my MacBook Pro and bought a 27” iMac thinking that I could do all the portable things I need to do on the iPad I have. I have since realised how frustrating iOS can be for the more administrative type work I do. So, I have now bought an old 2013 13” MBPro to supplement what the iPad isn’t so good at.
I use an older IPad Air with a keyboard as my only mobile computer for studying and granted, I’m not rly pushing it (just Office, Mails, Browsing the Web, Netflix). But it is doing everything rly good
I spend most of my day creating and editing MS Word documents. Hard enough to do that on a laptop - the tiny toy keyboard of the iPad would drive me nuts in no time.
The iPad can replace a computer for people who don't need a computer. It's like asking: "Could this dirt cheap new bicycle replace a twenty year old used car?" Yes, it absolutely can. If you don't need a car. Makes no fucking sense, to be honest.
I do think Luke makes a good point here. Compare two Apple devices you can buy for the same amount. For an only / primary device I would not hesitate a second and choose the MacBook in a heartbeat. The iPad is certainly very usable but I only use mine to make notes on pdf files with an Apple pencil for which I bought a very cheap secondhand set (iPad, keyboard, pencil) :- )). The MacBook is and always will be the absolute King of my Apple ecosystem. The iPhone coming in at second place at a long distance.
what's the budget for the secondhand set (iPad, Keyboard, pencil)?
iOS also doesn’t have Finder. I use it extensively for my business. The integration that it can support with cloud applications is great too.
You said it perfectly but why not both? as an intel late 2013 MbP 15 user, the iPad with the smart keyboard is perfect for 90% of the tasks of what a laptop can do but I use the MacBook for pure development work.
Lukey Mudukey, you and B Tong & Renae “Victor this is Vector” Richie are gonna explain to us all what goes down in Cupertino tomorrow.
There is definitely a use case for both of them, i personally use a 2012 MacBook Pro on Monterey with OCLP, and its working just fine for me, but I do see the value of the iPad in some perspective.
I have been using the iPad 9th Gen as a replacement for my MacBook Air 2017. Personally, I do not miss the MacBook all that much. The iPad has the functionality of a keyboard with a track pad (Logitech) and also the ability to connect with a mouse. Admittedly, my usage is limited to browsing, email, social media and online shopping. All of which work well. I choose to move to the iPad only because t’s cheaper with the option of a keyboard and mouse. I would not have switched otherwise.
I have ordered the basic new iPad 2021 at work to complement my MacBook M1 Pro 13.3 16/512GB. It's main use is for quick emails (MS Office etc), scheduling and quick browsing. It will come into its own using the Apple pencil on MS White Board and OneNote, as I teach engineering + it is a second screen with sidecar etc.. As I have a personal smart keyboard and pencil already, and my Uni gets decent discounts for staff and students, the basic 2021 iPad is a bargain. I'm a value seeker so have an iPhone SE2, which is also great value and acts as a mobile hotspot. Given you can get both the new iPad and an iPhone SE2 for less than a new iPhone 13 - these are bargain and high quality products. I am looking forward to trying center stage as well.
If you are going to use the old mac for a short time then you should opt for the MacBook, but if you are going to use it for a bit more longer then you should opt for the iPad because Apple now has a pc performance iPad (iPad pro m1) which is more capable than what the iPad os is meant for so they will eventually give the iPad os more multitasking capabilities and professional apps like Davinci resolve. And if that is the case then the iPad will receive multitasking capabilities ect in a few years and will surpass some more expensive new laptops.
Hi Mr.Luke Miani .... I am a student... And I bought a MacBook Air with m1 chip... It costed me around $879.99 in Costco.. Can you make an unboxing video on that mac air and speak abt the drawbacks and good features about it.... Ur channel is great
Thank you:)
I’ve recently lost 3 machines due to failure on logic boards. 2011 MacBook Pro (my college workhorse), 2012 MacBook Pro (non retina), 2009 Mac Pro (my favorite machine). This forced me to use my 2018 iPad and my 2012 iPhone pro max a bit more. To be truthful, if I didn’t work for companies that require me to edit in davinci resolve, the iPad is quite powerful with the right accessories. Logitech combo touch, wd 4tb my passport wireless pro, and a couple of usb a to lightning flash drives, and the standard dongle life, The iPad is quite a work horse!
If 3 of my laptops died to hardware failure, I'd probably stop buying laptops from that company...
I live in India and last year I had nothing but the iPad 8th gen, I used it with a simple case, a bluetooth keyboard (cheap af but very very good quality and keys were great) and a bluetooth mouse (again cheap af but pretty amazing) and it worked perfectly, much better setup than buying the original apple keyboard (which costs 185$ here and pretty difficult to find used). The iPad here costs 400 bucks and the setup I had costed me around 35 bucks so yeah it was great value for money
P.S. Now I have the 16 inch Macbook Pro i9, iPad air 4 with the magic keyboard😂
Thoughts: no trackpad on iPad? A Logitech combo touch for $150 is a great keyboard/trackpad/case. It also has a kickstand, so it’s better (not great) on the lap. Brydge makes solid iPad keyboards that basically turn them into laptops (in the literal sense).
The Mac is better if you need features that are only available on a Mac, ie Mac only software, Windows, heavy multitasking. Otherwise, go with the iPad.
8:15...No brainer for me. Have to say that I much prefer the look and versatility of a nice laptop than any iPad and keyboard.👍If you've got more money then there's no way would I pay £1,000 for a spec'd up iPad Air and keyboard when for the same (or less) money I could get a M1 MacBook Air. Nice video by the way.😎
Glad you made this video. I have the new base model iPad and am very happy with what you get for the price. I also have a 2012 Macbook Pro and I rarely use it anymore. The only upside for the older Macbook is the connectivity of drives, ect... I also agree with you on the app functionality being inferior to Mac OS. Like on Amazon I like to open multiple tabs and you can't do that with the app. I suppose I could open Amazon in the browser on the iPad?
On the browser its no problem at all.
I own a MacBook Pro 2015 and also an Android tablet. If I have the choice, I'll always go with the MacBook, purely because I find it more enjoyable to use a laptop device than a tablet, even one with a keyboard. Its a personal preference that might change with time. Having said that, I use my tablet a lot for reading. I don't view them as comparable devices.
I've been a macOS user since late 2009. I have been an iPad user since 2018. I Choose the 9th gen iPad over the 2014 MBP. As I am a hobby artist and I cannot do with out the Apple Pencil.
Honestly if you're not a super dedicated user or relying on MacOS to make a living, the iPad is probably the better choice. The portability is just wild and if you really need desktop-esque experience you can always rent a Mac mini in the cloud and access that from anywhere.
You should try the iPad 9th with the Logitech Combo Touch Keyboard, it steps up to iPad Pro level with Magic Keyboard
But it's way too expensive been so it defeats the purpose
It’s the same price as Apple overpriced Smart Keyboard, it’s a better value overall
I already ordered an macbook pro 2014 thnks for the vid man 👍
laptop is laptop and tablet is tablet. They cant replace each other!
This comment, sir
This is the one, yes this one does deserve the Nobel prize
Glass is glass, and glass...breaks.
yes it is , depending on your use case. if you are a light user then it very much can. but for professional task, Laptop is mandatory.
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@@subhadeepdutta3086 Yes. Apple will never port MacOS to iPad. So iPad can never be a proper laptop replacement. But if you're a real light user and instead of buying a budget friendly Core i3 laptop from 2017, you buy the base model iPad 9th gen, its a pretty solid deal.
Dude, just throwing it out there as food for thought, while the entire argument is tight, but basic ipad has very little actual feature in real life situations assuming everyone still has a phone, while the old mac is still pretty loaded with value is that is what the budget is. So I think if it is down to the basic ipad, the older mac is a better choice. I only grabbed the mini this time around, and I have an older ipad pro, and a really old ipad air around, but to me, I think the older Macbook pro has so much more real life applications in comparison. This of course is doubled up by the more languages I speak making some software library and or media content libraries so much richer when you add in the parallel desktop features.
Hey Luke great video ! How about an update . I bought my iPad 9 for $270 as a 2nd apple and love it for ease of use . I am a consumer as a user. I take my iPad to my nightstand in the evenings .
Besides an update what about a work around and show us how to add a ssd or any memory options that work with lighting ?
Bro, you very good, retro is a better word than cheap!
I mean ever since Apple brought full desktop class browsing to the iPad it has actually been a viable replacement for a computer. At least for anyone who does the majority of their work online (like most kids these days buying chrome books) I am honestly shocked Apple does not work at the iPad more heavily towards students. There are a lot of ways it’s actually superior to chrome books at least in its price category. Especially when you factor in the education discount
Luke! I need the update to your certained budget with all of Apple Ecosystem! It is the most intriguing discussion to me right now! You can start with $1000 Apple Ecosystem Budget!
Desperately! 😩
Luke Miani I have a question
So I have an old iPad that won't turn on unless I plug it in... When I do that my iPad is stuck in boot loop.. When I connect it to my Mac it won't show the Apple Logo...
Luke, I sell a lot of used laptops and what I do to remove the majority of stickers on any laptop is I take an old hair dryer put it on medium or high and within minutes the stickers will peal off without leaving residue. Easee Peasee..
Whilst I own a MBP, I can say that my iPad is used so much more overall
I am quite a hands on person, so writing notes by hand, drawing etc are things I do basically daily
My MBP is mainly used for heavy document typing (I don’t use a keyboard currently with my iPad), some picture editing and surprisingly gaming (not only on the M1, used to do gaming on my old MBA back in 2014 as well)
If I had to get rid of one though, I would 100% ditch the MBP over the iPad as I can do almost everything comfortably with it these days
I just bought a late 2013 base model 15” MacBook Pro for £240 in mint condition was it a good buy???????
Thanks a lot for this thought-provoking discussion! This topic kind of reminding me of the topic on the IOSification of the macOS........ which a lot of the macOS fans afraid of!
I bought the original 12,9" iPad Pro for 234 $ equivalent. 😎
Just need the keyboard for cheap ...and pencil... And panzer glass... Eeerm...