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After half a lifetime of making and listening to music, there are *still* very few things that are as enjoyable to my ears as a simple 24dB filter sweep on a 3 oscillator Moog type synthesizer. I just does it for me... Beeaaaoow! ♥
When I first got the model D I was in heaven. I couldn't get it to work initially and tried different KB controllers, but got there after a while. My phone is now full of images of model D settings that I really love. Running this from a MPC X with MIDI and CV is mind blowing.
I have a friend who got into synth and slowly started spending all his money on them, he now sleeps on the floor and when he is awake he will be endlessly twisting knobs
I love the Model-D. Yes, I know "it's not the real thing", but if you want a wonderfull sounding analog synth that doesn't break the bank... go for it!
Still got mine after 3 yrs((after selling my 1st D over 4yrs ago,regretting it)bought one again and never giving it up,it's that good.Awesome mono synth.🤖📼🎧
2:58 i just got this same model and i just got a regular mono stereo cord and found out that it works , and if you patch the “LC gate” to “LFO” then you can indeed sync up all tuning to oscillator 1 while also having the ability to tune oscillators 2 and 3 individually !! this is a dope video !!!!
Thanks so much for another great and informative video. I'm in the market for the Model D myself and this video thoroughly answered all my questions. Probably one of the best videos on the the Model D. Thanks again. All the best.
Great video, well done I’ve had an Original Mini Moog that I bought in 1978 brand new and currently they’re going for about $12,500 you can get the Behringer Model D for around $350 I’m ordering one as one more tool in my box. And yes you have to let them warm up and my original will drift some depending on ambient temperature. Again great video.
You know...I didn't realize that the Model D had 3 Osc. Damn, not sure how I missed that. That's a LOT for such a budget synth like this. Thanks for making note of that.
This is the best video i have seen on the boog D. I watched this last night after working 12 hours and this kept my interest the whole time. Thank you so much.
The model d was my first analog synth, and I certainly have a soft spot for it. It really forced me to learn sound design, and its layout really encouraged me to “play” the panel. It’s so much synth for so little money.
One slight variation on the Ext In feedback is to connect a patch lead from MIX OUT to EXT IN. That feeds the mixer straight back into itself and really drives the filter hard. The stable range is reduced to 0-1, with increasing weirdness and self-oscillation beyond that. However it's a really nice, different type of distortion. More mid-rangey in fact, great for lead sounds.
you just called the Minimoog mixer "basic" - them's fightin' words! It's like, the key to a major part of the sound of the instrument - the overdrive you can do into the filter, all that good stuff! :)
The Model D is my favorite synth among many; I was pleasantly surprised to see that we knew the same tricks like using the mod CV out from the Keystep to automate the filter. There were a couple tricks in there I hadn’t thought of like manually playing with the tuning of an oscillator on a note-by-note basis during performance. Thank you for the video. Subscribed!
One tip for you - you mentioned you never use filter emphasis for basses… using just a bit of the filter emphasis essentially acts like a high pass filter to tighten up a bass patch. I’ve found it to help reduce muddiness especially when using the triangular waves.
I also having that Model D in my stock - you are doing great flowing sounds with it - I should start using it. I'd just know that this thing is nice and done an order, received but never played with it until NOW! ;) Thank you for the sound focused video! Thank you!
I like the Hainbach hands-on approach to sequencers. The most complex one he uses is an SQ-1, because he can fiddle around with the knobs and just experiment. Just a thought.
What you say about the limitations leading to more experimentation, especially with a clearly laid out synth like the D is so true. The other Behringer Analogues are equally as inspiring, I have the Crave and Wasp and this is definitely on my radar at some point.
I have one and I love it - 9/10ths “that” sound for less than 1/10th the price. While it of course doesn’t have real PWM, you can get a very similar sound by mixing oscillator 3 inverted saw with oscillator 2 regular sawtooth.
@@HOLLASOUNDS lol,no. Been using MiniV since 2004. It isn’t the same by any stretch. You can’t just compare an oscillator and call it a comparison. No software can produce that sound that never requires any fiddling in mixing. Only hardware does that and this one is as close to it as you get without getting the original.
There are really two minimoogs and this is a clone of the later (same as the reissues from Moog). So it doesn’t sound like a v1 oscillator because it is/was never trying to be a pre ‘76.
Great video, I have a D as well and whilst I didn't learn anything new (i know you weren't trying to teach us anything new but rather explain how you like to use it!:) ) it was nice to see it used in a different style. I felt like I was having a conversation about it, which is good. I know purists lament Behringer for cloning but it brings analogue synthesis to the masses which is a good thing. I also partner the D up with a Keeley Caverns V2 analog reverb/delay pedal which keeps that instant tweakability with the detuned/desynced character. Nice vid, subscribed :)
Great overview! Depending on your song/arrangement, one oscillator might be enough. So much character involved here as I experienced with the Poly-D version.
For having already tried it, this Model D does not have to blush next to my Subsequent 37! Another great « cheap » bass synth that i like is the Novation Bass Station 2 👌 ua-cam.com/video/R7BwLG56rls/v-deo.html
I have an actual vintage Model D and this thing sounds great! We are currently selling ours for 10k... Might have to pick one of these up! Thanks for the video.
@infoslinger Thats the going price. How am I part of the problem? I didn't set the price. Original MINT 1974 Model D's are going for that much. From 6 to 15k depending on serial number, year and condition. Ours is like new and I'll take 8k for it if it's offered. What's your problem? I mean we paid close to that when we bought it 4 years ago.
@infoslinger I also just said I may pick up the Behringer because I don't feel the Original is worth that much. But the market is what it is. You sound super bitter.
I still like the Minitaur or even Sub (Phatty) more, not least of which is that it's important to me to be able to save and restore sounds, nevermind the sound of course, but the Model D is still awesome and I use it lots too.
This is wonderful drone machine as well. You can patch +2.5v to +5v to lc gate and it will keep on droning and then sculpt the textures live by adusting the mix between oscs and add modulations and filter movement.
it is truely a monster, i have prophet x, actual moogs, elektrons, every synth i ever dreamt of and tbh I always start my idea's with behringers model d
Love your channel and it overall vibe, but this one was particularly interesting and fun as I have a D and there are a few things i picked up from your video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge 👍🙏
It sounds like a Moog because it is a copy of a MiniMoog, if I copy the exact knobs and switche configuration from your model D I can get pretty much the same sound on the Aturia Mini V.
My Poly D sounds weak compared to this in the bass department. Hmmm, Maybe I should bite the bullet and get one of these Behringer Model Ds. I definitely can't afford a real Moog Minimoog. I wish my Poly D sounded thick like this one. I don't like the gainstaging of the mixer on the Poly D because if you use just one oscillator it sounds thin and weak but when multiple oscillators are stacked, there's a drastic volume increase. On Moog synths, the volume remains balanced regardless of how many oscillators are blended. Even one oscillator by itself sounds big and thick. I like the form factor of the Poly D. I just wish it had the sound of the Model D. -----‐‐--------- Second thought, maybe I need to play with the filter a little more. I might have the resonance (Emphasis) up too high, thus killing the bass......still might get a Model D though.
I’m in the same spot as you. The bass actually fluctuates a lot on the Poly D. It has everything to do with that low gain mixer. If you just look at sounds that you EQ out anything above 100hz, the Model D (and even the iPad app) keeps the bass even and compressed sounding no matter what. The Poly goes through wild phase dips. On top of that the original mixer saturation isn’t just naturally compressing but also smoothing high mid harmonics sort of like how guitar cabinets start to comb filter and create a deep dark sound. Also the Model has a lower and more pleasant sounding noise floor you can hear on lowpassed basses. So the Model D has the sound, but I’ve heard it is difficult to keep in tune and OSCs tend to drift from one another, whereas my Poly D is in tune within a minute of starting up. And I really payattention to the detune/beating and base my patches on it so it would drive me nuts. Still not sure but leaning on picking up the Model D.
@@sibbyeskie Yeah, I've read the same from people with the Model D saying it's drifts out of tune from time to time. I used to have a Studio Electronics SE-1x and it also drifted out of tune after being left on for a while in a room with no working A/C that got hot during the summer, which is common with VCOs. But yeah, my Poly D stays in tune without a doubt. That is definitely a good thing. However, I'm still thinking about supplementing it with a Model D (as I mentioned before) and let the Model D handle the thick deep low-end and let the Poly D handle the upper mid harmonics. I could crank up the resonance and do filter sweeps on the Poly D while letting maybe one or two oscillators from the Model D take care of the deeper bass with the filter resonance (emphasis) down completely and the cutoff (frequency) adjusted to taste. Ya know, I should've just kept my darn SE-1x even after I bought the Poly D and used them together instead of trading it in. It's all good though. That Model D sounds nice!
@@kvmoore1 I'm eyeing the same setup as you with the same goal in mind. For the time being I'm actually using the Minimoog Model D official iPad app to sometimes fill out that bass end because it at least emulates the saturation on the oscillators quite well. I just midi it up to my Poly D and then send its audio into the EXT In as if it were just another oscillator (or several). It's pretty goofy that I'm using software to fix issues with something that I got in order to escape the problems of software! I hear you about the regret. It's easy to get enticed by fluff, but in the end it's the sound that really matters!
I hear you on Minimoogs being super expensive. Honestly the only reason to buy an original Minimoog is if you collect vintage instruments, the Moog Matriarch is effectively a modernized, eurorack compatible Minimoog for half the price, making the original a poor value even if you only look at Moog's product lineup. Also the Matriarchs are still made in Asheville, I'm not sure where the Minimoog reissue is being produced.
I am with you bruv, I love the model D, so creative and great sounding synth. It was mine, as yours is 'go to bass', until I got Behringer MS-1/sh101:)
With the advent of the modern DAW, you can keep an unlimited number of takes with your VCO synths. With the use of MIDI sequencing, you get identical performances. So you can take one pass straight, then spend as much time rolling through patch changes and performances. So you can comp together so many interesting changes between song sections to give any composition an interesting arrangement. Finallly, with low cost surface mounted assembly techniques and electronic component production on a global scale, every form of electronic instrument of the past is worthy of re-examination. I think Behringer saw the opportunity to build classic design en mass for a second go around and make their money in volume. It's close enough to a Mini to make a record with.
Actually if you look into the history of Bahringer, there main goal is to bring the most expensive or rare or legendary sythersizors to as low a cost as possible while allowing the user access to the same sound of the out of reach sythersizors.
22:08 That sounded good, man. When you're "doing your own automation", as in moving the knobs manually yourself, is that still automation? Or would you have to consider yourself a robot for that to be true?
Looks like a more analog system than anything I've seen. What do you think of the Dreadbox Hades (in comparison)? I don't want to end up with a lot of equipment or would just buy one of everything. THIS IS A VERY VERY COOL TIME! (It was the best of times, it was the best of times- I would make a terrible Charles Darnay!)
Thx for that and happy new Year.Its nice to see content about the model which i own myself and yea its fun and while its restricted you end up with much. Little Tip, i replaced one knob from the oscillators and changed it for the cutoff, the big Knob is much better in dialing fine movements abd i think i heard someone who got the Original that this whas for him the main difference, the range of filtering you can reach with a big Knob^^ please continue to show us what you eperience with it in the future^^
Have you had a play on the Roland SE02 ?, Iam thinking about the Model D but I have a Roland MX1 , so the SE02 can connect over USB, but it more expensive...doh.! ✌️ 🇦🇺 🪃
After i record bass with it I tune it with Melodyne. After that it sits in the mix perfectly! It's kind of overkill, to grab a $300 D copy and post tune it with a worth of $700 piece of software. Instead of using, let's say, Diva u-he.
I'm fighting a battle of whether I should get a Model D and use it together with my Behringer Pro-1 or get the Pro-800. I will probably end up buying both in the long run
Your video is perfect. I can make a suggestion anywayzzz. For the kids maybe hook up an oscilloscope and show them the waveforms being generated. It helps the young guys think about waveforms, electronics, math, all kinds of shit. Hey have a great day this was really nice you are a natural at YT videos fer sure fer sure!
Hi, there! Some really good vids up in your channel, keep up the good work. A quick question - Did you open your MODEL D to tune it with inside trimpots?
Ive had mine for a few years now and it is indeed a go to. I've since added a Sub37 to my setup and both get plenty of use, it is incredibly impressive that a sub $300 synth can hold up to one that sells for ~$1500. My Model D is pretty far out of tune (about a semitone and a half sharp) and required calibration but it does the job.
@@TeftyMeems I use the 3rd osc in "fifths mode" a lot for techno stuff which is great - but performing live with it I really needed to get it calibrated up so that visually i could "see" when its set to a fifth. over my IEM's in a dense mix I found that "finding" the 5th was a bit dodgy.
I’d like to hear more about your DAWless setup and what you’re doing to orchestrate multiple synths, I’m considering the MPC platform instead of Ableton for that exact reason (live performance, editing synth patches during performance, and minimizing dependencies).
If you like the model D and don't mind saving up alittle look at the moog matriarch... it's surprising how many tones you can get out of it and the way you can reroute it
i have the same thing :) once played a moog one, nothing could give me that bass. The model D did exact the same bass i needed, i couldnt believe it but the diffrence was so small.. It is what it is and i love it
I finally got me BMD and am amazed with it. My question is this: Is the built in 'A 440' tone digital or analog? I mean, is it accurate or does it have to warm up like the oscillators?? It's definitely easy to tune to it. Anyone, thanks.
After watching tons of comparison videos I still prefer the behringer model d to the moog. I also have monark and arturia's mini V but to me they don't compare to this model d. Do you also have a preference between this one and the moog? It's funny because for all other synths the moog ones are far ahead of the behringer imitations in terms of sound (see mother 32) but this one is an exception for me, its just sticks out.
Interesting comparison to an acoustic bass intonation via string length & how bassist plays each note. Your comments on tuning are super helpful. Great video.
That was great Tefty. Thanks for reminding me to use my D more. Question for you: Do you use or prefer to use your MPC One/Live as a "DAW" to control and play your external hardware and record that way, or do you prefer to put midi notes down into the MPC and record those external synths as samples/loops into the MPC and sequence it that way instead?
@@TeftyMeems Perfect thanks. I'm tight on workspace so to get all the hardware out and hooked up to jam them via the MPC is tough, so sampling audio tracks instead is what I'm interested in trying, thanks!
@@SenseiJams personally i am more an « audio track man », than i come into sampling… and since i have my MPC Live i do both… mostly audio tracks, but it’s so easy to chop tracks, and an infinite way to create music differently (not sure of the spelling of everything, excuse my french lol)
I could watch you for hours none stop. Super inspiring. I'm gonna buy one! This might be a silly question... Can I run a Novation bass station through this synth with a simple saw tooth wave init patch and ultimately create the same sort of sounds? I've got a Novation summit ordered and on its way. I want a Novation bass station 2 and a behringer D. Instead of using the aturia board I'm thinking use the bass station 2... New to synthesis.. (Second question) Am I right in thinking if I wanted to use both hands on the behringer D to toggle sounds, I could put sustain on max then the sound wouldn't change until I press another key? Allowing me to play with a continuous sound?
Really like your channel man. Just did the whole "Like, Sub, & Bell" routine. I'm a self taught by ear multi-instrumentalist (drums, bass, guitar, piano/synth, vocalist). We should possibly trade some stems back and forth or just chat sometime. Happy turkey day BTW. 🖖
What a great feature video about the real usage of the unit and your practical thoughts. It was my first synth and i used it a lot and don't know what brought me to watching your video but i certainly enjoyed it! Will go play it right now! :)
Hi, Loopop review suggests that these can go out of tune do you have problems? Did you have to adjust the trim pots?I would be grateful for your feedback and recommendation
You could boost your bass with filter emphasis, if you turn the filter to hi-pass mode. Then set cutoff to low frequency and resonate it with emphasis (low cutoff frequency will be amplified)
Thanks Tefty! Have had my D for a year now. I bought it to go into a Eurorack system to provide that "Moog" sound when coupled with the 960 sequencer - and it delivers, no question! I have felt a bit guilty that I haven't explored its synthesis capabilities further, but I have plenty of other stuff for that... I agree with your idea about reaching for a synth for a "sound" characteristic - just like choosing a particular guitar - and I guess that's what I do with the D.
For my MIDI portable Organ setup, 2 M-Audio keyboards (37Key Upper, 49 Key Lower) and a Voce V-5. I've added other equipment to it including a Roland VP-03 (clone of VP330), an E-MU Piano Module (dated but I like the way the midi Channel selector and octave transfuser on the front Panel), Yamaha QY-70 & Reface CP (Electric Piano with Effects) and a Behringer Model D. The QY-70 is (With the E-MU and CP) Playable on all unused MIDI channels and is (outside of key velocity) Non-Expressive and generally played on the Lower Manual. The Behringer Model D is playing on the Upper Manual, along with the Roland VP-03 on the Lower Manual are Under Expression, but through a straight while the Organ goes through a Leslie. I just ordered a Yamaha Reface YC (makes Combo Organ (Farfisa, Vox, Acetone and Yamaha Combo Organ Tones, in addition to Hammond Tones) and plan to play it through the Model D Filter input. This will allow the Model D Filter to Augment the Reface YC signal with the V-5 Hammond Tones and later with the Upper Manual Hammond Tones.
I just got the Mini Moog Model D app on the iPad Pro and it has presets, fix etc, I am busy twiddling to get your sounds which are super $15 app so good to play around with
Hello Nice video!! I’m curious to know how you have your Behringer Model D set up. I want to use mine with my MPC One and Triton Studio keyboard and later record live audio or stems into logic. Do you have a video on how you actually set it up? I don’t have a mixer but I usually sequence in my MPC one and export the audio stems to mix in Logic Pro
Hello! Please tell me what post-processing do you use? Because your model D sounds fatter and richer in comparison with other UA-cam videos. Or maybe it's something you have on the signal path? Like an analog mixer, or something that makes sound more pleasant. Thanks a lot in advance!
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After half a lifetime of making and listening to music, there are *still* very few things that are as enjoyable to my ears as a simple 24dB filter sweep on a 3 oscillator Moog type synthesizer.
I just does it for me...
Beeaaaoow! ♥
When I first got the model D I was in heaven. I couldn't get it to work initially and tried different KB controllers, but got there after a while. My phone is now full of images of model D settings that I really love. Running this from a MPC X with MIDI and CV is mind blowing.
midi AND cv ? do yo use the cv at the same time ? for filter control etc ?
I have a friend who got into synth and slowly started spending all his money on them, he now sleeps on the floor and when he is awake he will be endlessly twisting knobs
that's you right?
Heaven
Sounds ideal
Sounds awesome!
Bop-It taught him well
Thanks for sharing, blew the dust off my model D and have been having a great time with it after watching this
I love the Model-D.
Yes, I know "it's not the real thing", but if you want a wonderfull sounding analog synth that doesn't break the bank... go for it!
It’s not the real thing
Its not, nut whos gonna know in the mix? Besides there are less that 1% of people who can even guess in side by side comparison
I saw a band where the keyboard player had a controller hooked up to 4 of these units. Talk about a thick Moog sound. WOW.
It's not THE real thing, but it's A real thing. More real than any plugin and extremely close to THE real thing.
@@lucmermans37 It's not THE real thing, but it's A real thing. More real than any plugin and extremely close to THE real thing.
Still got mine after 3 yrs((after selling my 1st D over 4yrs ago,regretting it)bought one again and never giving it up,it's that good.Awesome mono synth.🤖📼🎧
That first demo you did made my mouth water. What a delicious sound.
Good grief…I had no idea what the model D really is until I watched your video. I must get it for myself for xmas. Thanks so much my friend.
2:58 i just got this same model and i just got a regular mono stereo cord and found out that it works , and if you patch the “LC gate” to “LFO” then you can indeed sync up all tuning to oscillator 1 while also having the ability to tune oscillators 2 and 3 individually !! this is a dope video !!!!
it really sounds fantastic
Thanks so much for another great and informative video. I'm in the market for the Model D myself and this video thoroughly answered all my questions. Probably one of the best videos on the the Model D. Thanks again. All the best.
Great video, well done I’ve had an Original Mini Moog that I bought in 1978 brand new and currently they’re going for about $12,500 you can get the Behringer Model D for around $350 I’m ordering one as one more tool in my box. And yes you have to let them warm up and my original will drift some depending on ambient temperature. Again great video.
I just bough mine today, now I'm waiting for its arrival even more eagerly than I was before!
You know...I didn't realize that the Model D had 3 Osc. Damn, not sure how I missed that. That's a LOT for such a budget synth like this. Thanks for making note of that.
Same as the Minimoog.
This is the best video i have seen on the boog D. I watched this last night after working 12 hours and this kept my interest the whole time. Thank you so much.
the tone is great but what really stands out to me is your lighting and overall presentation, the studio looks so warm and lovely
Great video, good to hear perspectives from a real musician
The model d was my first analog synth, and I certainly have a soft spot for it. It really forced me to learn sound design, and its layout really encouraged me to “play” the panel. It’s so much synth for so little money.
Early on i found to put the main out into that overdrive jack. It makes it go mad in a good way. Sold it after a few months, great tool for starters.
One slight variation on the Ext In feedback is to connect a patch lead from MIX OUT to EXT IN. That feeds the mixer straight back into itself and really drives the filter hard. The stable range is reduced to 0-1, with increasing weirdness and self-oscillation beyond that. However it's a really nice, different type of distortion. More mid-rangey in fact, great for lead sounds.
you just called the Minimoog mixer "basic" - them's fightin' words! It's like, the key to a major part of the sound of the instrument - the overdrive you can do into the filter, all that good stuff! :)
It is basic though. As in beautifully simple.
What's wrong with basic?
"Basic" does not mean "bad"
Always good content. Hope you guys have a great Christmas and new year!
Happy New Year!
The Model D is my favorite synth among many; I was pleasantly surprised to see that we knew the same tricks like using the mod CV out from the Keystep to automate the filter. There were a couple tricks in there I hadn’t thought of like manually playing with the tuning of an oscillator on a note-by-note basis during performance. Thank you for the video. Subscribed!
One tip for you - you mentioned you never use filter emphasis for basses… using just a bit of the filter emphasis essentially acts like a high pass filter to tighten up a bass patch. I’ve found it to help reduce muddiness especially when using the triangular waves.
I also having that Model D in my stock - you are doing great flowing sounds with it - I should start using it. I'd just know that this thing is nice and done an order, received but never played with it until NOW! ;) Thank you for the sound focused video! Thank you!
I like the Hainbach hands-on approach to sequencers. The most complex one he uses is an SQ-1, because he can fiddle around with the knobs and just experiment. Just a thought.
Love Hainbach 🙌
What you say about the limitations leading to more experimentation, especially with a clearly laid out synth like the D is so true. The other Behringer Analogues are equally as inspiring, I have the Crave and Wasp and this is definitely on my radar at some point.
That's why I have Reason 12 but still use version 4 most of the time.
I have one and I love it - 9/10ths “that” sound for less than 1/10th the price. While it of course doesn’t have real PWM, you can get a very similar sound by mixing oscillator 3 inverted saw with oscillator 2 regular sawtooth.
Sounds the same as the Aturia mini V and they both sound the same as a Mini Moog.
@@HOLLASOUNDS lol,no. Been using MiniV since 2004. It isn’t the same by any stretch. You can’t just compare an oscillator and call it a comparison. No software can produce that sound that never requires any fiddling in mixing. Only hardware does that and this one is as close to it as you get without getting the original.
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There are really two minimoogs and this is a clone of the later (same as the reissues from Moog). So it doesn’t sound like a v1 oscillator because it is/was never trying to be a pre ‘76.
Such a good Video :) keep it up man!
Great video, I have a D as well and whilst I didn't learn anything new (i know you weren't trying to teach us anything new but rather explain how you like to use it!:) ) it was nice to see it used in a different style. I felt like I was having a conversation about it, which is good. I know purists lament Behringer for cloning but it brings analogue synthesis to the masses which is a good thing. I also partner the D up with a Keeley Caverns V2 analog reverb/delay pedal which keeps that instant tweakability with the detuned/desynced character. Nice vid, subscribed :)
Excellent tone and pacing. Inspiring me to dust off my Polly D. I don’t use it enough.
Love your setup!
Great overview! Depending on your song/arrangement, one oscillator might be enough. So much character involved here as I experienced with the Poly-D version.
Awesome breakdown.....thank u..
Great !
For having already tried it, this Model D does not have to blush next to my Subsequent 37!
Another great « cheap » bass synth that i like is the Novation Bass Station 2 👌
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Thanks. First video of yours that I've seen. Well worth and a new sub. Looking at the Sweetwater page right now.
Cool video. You have a great set up
14:30 "The enemy of art is the absence of limitations."
~Orson Welles
I have an actual vintage Model D and this thing sounds great! We are currently selling ours for 10k... Might have to pick one of these up! Thanks for the video.
@infoslinger Thats the going price. How am I part of the problem? I didn't set the price. Original MINT 1974 Model D's are going for that much. From 6 to 15k depending on serial number, year and condition. Ours is like new and I'll take 8k for it if it's offered. What's your problem? I mean we paid close to that when we bought it 4 years ago.
@infoslinger I also just said I may pick up the Behringer because I don't feel the Original is worth that much. But the market is what it is. You sound super bitter.
I still like the Minitaur or even Sub (Phatty) more, not least of which is that it's important to me to be able to save and restore sounds, nevermind the sound of course, but the Model D is still awesome and I use it lots too.
Just bought one because of this video and feeling totally inspired! Thanks
I did like it, thank you! Subbed.
This is wonderful drone machine as well. You can patch +2.5v to +5v to lc gate and it will keep on droning and then sculpt the textures live by adusting the mix between oscs and add modulations and filter movement.
Great overview!
Thanks for watching 🙏
it is truely a monster, i have prophet x, actual moogs, elektrons, every synth i ever dreamt of and tbh I always start my idea's with behringers model d
Nice room! Mines a mess. That’s my takeaway. Clean my room. Oh and play my Model D more. It is an awesome synth!
Love your channel and it overall vibe, but this one was particularly interesting and fun as I have a D and there are a few things i picked up from your video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge 👍🙏
Awesome! Glad there was something in it for you 🙌❤️🙏
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It sounds like a Moog because it is a copy of a MiniMoog, if I copy the exact knobs and switche configuration from your model D I can get pretty much the same sound on the Aturia Mini V.
Great video
My Poly D sounds weak compared to this in the bass department. Hmmm, Maybe I should bite the bullet and get one of these Behringer Model Ds. I definitely can't afford a real Moog Minimoog. I wish my Poly D sounded thick like this one. I don't like the gainstaging of the mixer on the Poly D because if you use just one oscillator it sounds thin and weak but when multiple oscillators are stacked, there's a drastic volume increase.
On Moog synths, the volume remains balanced regardless of how many oscillators are blended. Even one oscillator by itself sounds big and thick.
I like the form factor of the Poly D. I just wish it had the sound of the Model D.
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Second thought, maybe I need to play with the filter a little more. I might have the resonance (Emphasis) up too high, thus killing the bass......still might get a Model D though.
I’m in the same spot as you. The bass actually fluctuates a lot on the Poly D. It has everything to do with that low gain mixer. If you just look at sounds that you EQ out anything above 100hz, the Model D (and even the iPad app) keeps the bass even and compressed sounding no matter what. The Poly goes through wild phase dips.
On top of that the original mixer saturation isn’t just naturally compressing but also smoothing high mid harmonics sort of like how guitar cabinets start to comb filter and create a deep dark sound. Also the Model has a lower and more pleasant sounding noise floor you can hear on lowpassed basses.
So the Model D has the sound, but I’ve heard it is difficult to keep in tune and OSCs tend to drift from one another, whereas my Poly D is in tune within a minute of starting up. And I really payattention to the detune/beating and base my patches on it so it would drive me nuts. Still not sure but leaning on picking up the Model D.
@@sibbyeskie Yeah, I've read the same from people with the Model D saying it's drifts out of tune from time to time. I used to have a Studio Electronics SE-1x and it also drifted out of tune after being left on for a while in a room with no working A/C that got hot during the summer, which is common with VCOs. But yeah, my Poly D stays in tune without a doubt. That is definitely a good thing.
However, I'm still thinking about supplementing it with a Model D (as I mentioned before) and let the Model D handle the thick deep low-end and let the Poly D handle the upper mid harmonics. I could crank up the resonance and do filter sweeps on the Poly D while letting maybe one or two oscillators from the Model D take care of the deeper bass with the filter resonance (emphasis) down completely and the cutoff (frequency) adjusted to taste.
Ya know, I should've just kept my darn SE-1x even after I bought the Poly D and used them together instead of trading it in. It's all good though. That Model D sounds nice!
@@kvmoore1 I'm eyeing the same setup as you with the same goal in mind. For the time being I'm actually using the Minimoog Model D official iPad app to sometimes fill out that bass end because it at least emulates the saturation on the oscillators quite well.
I just midi it up to my Poly D and then send its audio into the EXT In as if it were just another oscillator (or several). It's pretty goofy that I'm using software to fix issues with something that I got in order to escape the problems of software! I hear you about the regret. It's easy to get enticed by fluff, but in the end it's the sound that really matters!
@@sibbyeskie Yes. I definitely agree. It's all about the sound.
I hear you on Minimoogs being super expensive. Honestly the only reason to buy an original Minimoog is if you collect vintage instruments, the Moog Matriarch is effectively a modernized, eurorack compatible Minimoog for half the price, making the original a poor value even if you only look at Moog's product lineup. Also the Matriarchs are still made in Asheville, I'm not sure where the Minimoog reissue is being produced.
I am with you bruv, I love the model D, so creative and great sounding synth. It was mine, as yours is 'go to bass', until I got Behringer MS-1/sh101:)
With the advent of the modern DAW, you can keep an unlimited number of takes with your VCO synths. With the use of MIDI sequencing, you get identical performances. So you can take one pass straight, then spend as much time rolling through patch changes and performances. So you can comp together so many interesting changes between song sections to give any composition an interesting arrangement. Finallly, with low cost surface mounted assembly techniques and electronic component production on a global scale, every form of electronic instrument of the past is worthy of re-examination. I think Behringer saw the opportunity to build classic design en mass for a second go around and make their money in volume. It's close enough to a Mini to make a record with.
Actually if you look into the history of Bahringer, there main goal is to bring the most expensive or rare or legendary sythersizors to as low a cost as possible while allowing the user access to the same sound of the out of reach sythersizors.
Dawless is so much better especially live
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A noble goal... too bad Uli's an Elon Musk tier
@@teatime2595 If your hardware has a digital display or screan that has a virtual mixer, audio editor, and a sequencer its not Dawless.
@@VestedUTuber I get comments deleted all the time, I even got a warning for hate speech.
22:08 That sounded good, man. When you're "doing your own automation", as in moving the knobs manually yourself, is that still automation? Or would you have to consider yourself a robot for that to be true?
Looks like a more analog system than anything I've seen. What do you think of the Dreadbox Hades (in comparison)?
I don't want to end up with a lot of equipment or would just buy one of everything. THIS IS A VERY VERY COOL TIME!
(It was the best of times, it was the best of times- I would make a terrible Charles Darnay!)
Thx for that and happy new Year.Its nice to see content about the model which i own myself and yea its fun and while its restricted you end up with much.
Little Tip, i replaced one knob from the oscillators and changed it for the cutoff, the big Knob is much better in dialing fine movements abd i think i heard someone who got the Original that this whas for him the main difference, the range of filtering you can reach with a big Knob^^
please continue to show us what you eperience with it in the future^^
The tuning stability for this unit is a real problem but it still sounds amazing
I thought that was solved with solid state.
@@bengsynthmusic It was but this in not solid state
Have you had a play on the Roland SE02 ?, Iam thinking about the Model D but I have a Roland MX1 , so the SE02 can connect over USB, but it more expensive...doh.!
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After i record bass with it I tune it with Melodyne. After that it sits in the mix perfectly! It's kind of overkill, to grab a $300 D copy and post tune it with a worth of $700 piece of software. Instead of using, let's say, Diva u-he.
I'm fighting a battle of whether I should get a Model D and use it together with my Behringer Pro-1 or get the Pro-800. I will probably end up buying both in the long run
Your video is perfect. I can make a suggestion anywayzzz. For the kids maybe hook up an oscilloscope and show them the waveforms being generated. It helps the young guys think about waveforms, electronics, math, all kinds of shit. Hey have a great day this was really nice you are a natural at YT videos fer sure fer sure!
Hi, there! Some really good vids up in your channel, keep up the good work. A quick question - Did you open your MODEL D to tune it with inside trimpots?
Ive had mine for a few years now and it is indeed a go to. I've since added a Sub37 to my setup and both get plenty of use, it is incredibly impressive that a sub $300 synth can hold up to one that sells for ~$1500. My Model D is pretty far out of tune (about a semitone and a half sharp) and required calibration but it does the job.
I probably need to calibrate mine at this point. I've just ignored the amount of tuning needed and set it to "A natural" when it's warmed up.
@@TeftyMeems I use the 3rd osc in "fifths mode" a lot for techno stuff which is great - but performing live with it I really needed to get it calibrated up so that visually i could "see" when its set to a fifth. over my IEM's in a dense mix I found that "finding" the 5th was a bit dodgy.
Can you please walk us through how you’re using the usb/midi input?
Behringer should be called Volkssynthesizer, expensive gear made affordable.
I’d like to hear more about your DAWless setup and what you’re doing to orchestrate multiple synths, I’m considering the MPC platform instead of Ableton for that exact reason (live performance, editing synth patches during performance, and minimizing dependencies).
I enjoy your vids, I have an atria polybrute and a Roland Juno x. Looking forward to learning more about them
If you like the model D and don't mind saving up alittle look at the moog matriarch... it's surprising how many tones you can get out of it and the way you can reroute it
i have the same thing :) once played a moog one, nothing could give me that bass. The model D did exact the same bass i needed, i couldnt believe it but the diffrence was so small.. It is what it is and i love it
I finally got me BMD and am amazed with it. My question is this: Is the built in 'A 440' tone digital or analog? I mean, is it accurate or does it have to warm up like the oscillators?? It's definitely easy to tune to it. Anyone, thanks.
After watching tons of comparison videos I still prefer the behringer model d to the moog. I also have monark and arturia's mini V but to me they don't compare to this model d. Do you also have a preference between this one and the moog? It's funny because for all other synths the moog ones are far ahead of the behringer imitations in terms of sound (see mother 32) but this one is an exception for me, its just sticks out.
Interesting comparison to an acoustic bass intonation via string length & how bassist plays each note. Your comments on tuning are super helpful. Great video.
Thank you! 🙏
That was great Tefty. Thanks for reminding me to use my D more. Question for you: Do you use or prefer to use your MPC One/Live as a "DAW" to control and play your external hardware and record that way, or do you prefer to put midi notes down into the MPC and record those external synths as samples/loops into the MPC and sequence it that way instead?
Mix of both honestly. I’ve been experimenting more with audio tracks recently in the MPC as well. Gonna do a vid on the workflow soon’ish
@@TeftyMeems Perfect thanks. I'm tight on workspace so to get all the hardware out and hooked up to jam them via the MPC is tough, so sampling audio tracks instead is what I'm interested in trying, thanks!
@@SenseiJams personally i am more an « audio track man », than i come into sampling… and since i have my MPC Live i do both… mostly audio tracks, but it’s so easy to chop tracks, and an infinite way to create music differently (not sure of the spelling of everything, excuse my french lol)
just saw you do have a video showing connections Thank You
Awesome! Thanks for watching 🙏❤️
Interesting, thx 🎼
Ive had mine for a year, and along with my Sub 25. it handles all my bass work!
I could watch you for hours none stop. Super inspiring. I'm gonna buy one! This might be a silly question... Can I run a Novation bass station through this synth with a simple saw tooth wave init patch and ultimately create the same sort of sounds?
I've got a Novation summit ordered and on its way. I want a Novation bass station 2 and a behringer D.
Instead of using the aturia board I'm thinking use the bass station 2...
New to synthesis..
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Am I right in thinking if I wanted to use both hands on the behringer D to toggle sounds, I could put sustain on max then the sound wouldn't change until I press another key? Allowing me to play with a continuous sound?
I'm curious how your Pro 3 compares - what about sub since it lacks a sine wave?
"Make it fart out." That, right there is proper synth poetry.
It sounds good. Maybe not a 100% moog but close. Still, it sounds nice.
Ive had mine for months and didnt know it had to warm up. It explains a lot
I’m trying to see where your midi cable is going lol so I can figure out the set up.
Really like your channel man. Just did the whole "Like, Sub, & Bell" routine.
I'm a self taught by ear multi-instrumentalist (drums, bass, guitar, piano/synth, vocalist).
We should possibly trade some stems back and forth or just chat sometime.
Happy turkey day BTW.
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no mention of the Dreadbox Typhon in this priceclass is a shame !
What a great feature video about the real usage of the unit and your practical thoughts. It was my first synth and i used it a lot and don't know what brought me to watching your video but i certainly enjoyed it! Will go play it right now! :)
I've watched a ton of Behringer D videos and this is one of my favorite. Clear explanations and great sounds with good demos with drums. Good stuff!
really like that piece at 22 min in, is that a song u have?
i get a very loud hum when connecting it to mac with usb. why would that be? with midi it works flawless
Usb is notorious for introducing noise
I might get me a model D. I didn’t know modular synthesis was a great way to create music. Keep this kind of stuff coming.
the Model D is pure fun and cheaper than a simple repair job on any original moog - get one, you won't regret it.
Modular isn't a great way to make music. It's inefficient, confusing, and expensive. Which doesn't make it any less awesome.
Hi, Loopop review suggests that these can go out of tune do you have problems? Did you have to adjust the trim pots?I would be grateful for your feedback and recommendation
You could boost your bass with filter emphasis, if you turn the filter to hi-pass mode. Then set cutoff to low frequency and resonate it with emphasis (low cutoff frequency will be amplified)
Thanks Tefty! Have had my D for a year now. I bought it to go into a Eurorack system to provide that "Moog" sound when coupled with the 960 sequencer - and it delivers, no question! I have felt a bit guilty that I haven't explored its synthesis capabilities further, but I have plenty of other stuff for that... I agree with your idea about reaching for a synth for a "sound" characteristic - just like choosing a particular guitar - and I guess that's what I do with the D.
Hi Andrew 👋 thanks for sharing your perspective 🙏
For my MIDI portable Organ setup, 2 M-Audio keyboards (37Key Upper, 49 Key Lower) and a Voce V-5. I've added other equipment to it including a Roland VP-03 (clone of VP330), an E-MU Piano Module (dated but I like the way the midi Channel selector and octave transfuser on the front Panel), Yamaha QY-70 & Reface CP (Electric Piano with Effects) and a Behringer Model D.
The QY-70 is (With the E-MU and CP) Playable on all unused MIDI channels and is (outside of key velocity) Non-Expressive and generally played on the Lower Manual.
The Behringer Model D is playing on the Upper Manual, along with the Roland VP-03 on the Lower Manual are Under Expression, but through a straight while the Organ goes through a Leslie.
I just ordered a Yamaha Reface YC (makes Combo Organ (Farfisa, Vox, Acetone and Yamaha Combo Organ Tones, in addition to Hammond Tones) and plan to play it through the Model D Filter input.
This will allow the Model D Filter to Augment the Reface YC signal with the V-5 Hammond Tones and later with the Upper Manual Hammond Tones.
my problem with the model D is that in theory it should be a great lead synth as well, but it always ends up as a bass synth for me as well.
That's why everyone needs 2 of them!
I just got the Mini Moog Model D app on the iPad Pro and it has presets, fix etc, I am busy twiddling to get your sounds which are super $15 app so good to play around with
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Nice video!! I’m curious to know how you have your Behringer Model D set up. I want to use mine with my MPC One and Triton Studio keyboard and later record live audio or stems into logic. Do you have a video on how you actually set it up? I don’t have a mixer but I usually sequence in my MPC one and export the audio stems to mix in Logic Pro
I reach for it 100% for bass 😂. Maybe I’m obsessed with the bass sounds it makes. Even for sub-bass ish sounds!
Can I get these same sounds form the Poly D?
Hello! Please tell me what post-processing do you use? Because your model D sounds fatter and richer in comparison with other UA-cam videos. Or maybe it's something you have on the signal path? Like an analog mixer, or something that makes sound more pleasant. Thanks a lot in advance!