Can A Show Line German Shepherd Keep Up With Labrador Retrievers?
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Today Uncle Stonnie is following up on our video, How To Help Your Show Line German Shepherd Realize It's Full Potential. In this video we compare a Show Line German Shepherd puppy to a crew of Labrador Retrievers on our basic obedience training course and on an off leash hike.
00:00 - Basic Obedience Demonstration German Shepherd puppy
04:47 - Basic Obedience Demonstration Labrador Retriever puppy
07:50 - Off leash Hike
18:19 - Conclusion
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Perhaps an inane comment, but No Name looks like he is in top form. I don't care how old he is, that is one gorgeous Lab. I'm glad you brought him out today
Thank you!
My show line GSD runs like a gazelle. She’s an incredible athlete from an excellent breeder. I wouldn’t trade her for any dog anywhere. Thanks for being so fair and decent.
Mine too, but it took a while for my girl to grow into her body and to build confidence in jumping over stone walls and full out runs. I also didn't want her to overdo it until she had fully matured into her adult frame. She has amazing reaction time and can catch anything in her mouth at first try. Super biddable and learns a task very quickly.
Love my three GSD, none of them has the same statues as Teddy. I think in Germany the bloodlines are going back to more straight backs. Thanks for your encouragement ❤
My showline GSD has walked a similar course in my backyard from the time she was a puppy. She hikes in the woods with me, camps with me, can catch any frisbee you throw, swims in lakes, snow shoes with me, and walks 25 to 30 miles a week with me.
A lot of people think that "angulation" is the back when in actuality its the angle of the hip and shoulder. I don't know why European GSDs have that roach type back or why it got bred in. My guess is a famous stud who had that characteristic. Did well in competition, so everyone tried to breed one to look like him. You don't find it in American show lines (though you definitely find extreme angulation). That back also wasn't in the GSD as bred by Max von Stephanitz when he created the breed. Anyway, my last GSD was from West German show lines. She was a great dog. Lost her to bone cancer when she was 12.
GSDs (like many breeds) suffer from breeders trying to breed to standard and over-correcting to get there. That's why we have bulldogs and pugs who can't breathe. I really wish the AKC would do more than just be a repository for purebred pedigrees and actively discourage this tendency in all breeds.
Sorry for the soap box! Love looking at all the dogs. It's great how you expose them to so many distractions. People thought I was nuts when Freya was little & I'd approach someone (a beared guy or someone in a hat or on a bike for instance) and ask, "Can I bring my dog next to you? If she sits pretty, please give her this treat." Got a lot of odd looks, but it worked. Freya loved everyone (especially the vet).
ETA: Great talk at the end. I've owned all types of GSDs (working and show, American, West German, DDR, and who knows what rescues). Love them all. All great dogs. GSD lovers need to stop fighting & acknowledge there are problems breeders on both sides of the pond should work on for betterment of the breed. This is true for any breed that has clear bench v. field/work types because they will continue to get further and further apart.
Oh I miss the old DDR & Slovakian BP dogs.. Those were some of the very best working dogs, but could walk into the PPD role without much transition!! Haven’t heard anyone talk about DDR (East German Military/Police/Border Dogs)in Years. I hope someone is still out there keeping those lines continued!
@@johnfarrow3463 Welp, I am old af! lol Hard to find "DDR" when DDR no longer exists. I almost said "European," but there are so many different types of GSD now. Now days we hear about Czech lines. I hope someone is keeping up the old DDR lines, too.
The European Showline has a much less-sloped back than the American Showline. It's the American SL that is known for extreme slope or "hunchback".
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We had a West German GSD from 2003-2014. She was my heart dog, so I’m biased, but she had a pretty straight back and loved to run. ❤
I love seeing you dispel the nonsense out there. Although show line GSDs are definitely more chill than their working counterparts, they are still active dogs with the potential for athleticism.
I hope you are all keeping safe in this horrible weather! Keeping you guys in our thoughts!
Show line are a lot more chill in general, but so much depends on how the dog was raised, trained, and loved. I have a DDR working line. I am amazed with his connection to me, when I’m calm he is calm, when I’m up for play and high energy so is he 110%. But when I go back to calm he does as well. Well bred and well loved and handled dogs are always good dogs. But a GSD is not as easy as a golden or lab. They take some work.
No Name stands out, fellar is an incredible looking dog.
This is always an interesting discussion. I bred and raced Siberian Huskies for 34 years. I was sold on the looks of the shoreline dogs. I was moderately successful in showing. Which was mostly in Scotland. In 1987 I started running dogs. I learned the differences very quickly, and over time I switched to racing lines. The dogs are different as night and day. My racing dogs did nothing in the show ring. And I eventually stopped showing and focused on working dogs. Show line dogs still love to run. They don't like to work. The breed is split like a banana.
I adopted a German shepherd that desperately needed a good home. I'm fairly sure she is a working line shepherd kept in a kennel most of the day. She has a history of attacking other dogs. Me and my 125 lb rottweiler poodle mix have the perfect lifestyle for her. Now I have two loving dogs to hike swim and camp in the Wyoming wilderness with!
I'm glad you gave that GS a chance. The city shelter where I live is filled with GSDs (a problem that irresponsible breeding and uninformed purchasing created).
Rottweiler poodle mix? How it happened?
@@CentralasianshepherdAlabaiUSA a standard poodle the can get 70 pounds or more
@unseenadventures8130 how they got bred? Intention?
@@CentralasianshepherdAlabaiUSA I assume so. Have herd of others having them. I was told he was a labradoodle by someone needing to re-home him. Last year I got a DNA test done on him and he 60% poodle and 40% rottweiler
Stonnie, thank you for the voice of reason. I currently own a field GRD and a West German Show Line GSD. My son's each had a field black lab for upland fowl hunting, all females. My GSD is from an outstanding breeder here in CA (Vom Walters Kennels). Donner (GSD) is 16 months old, is training IGP and Dock Diving. Is she as snappy as the Mal's in class, no, she is longer than the Mal's so getting her rear around is harder, but she is on par with the working line GSD. Donner runs my Golden down consistently. Both my girls are high energy, water loving, hiking dogs, additionally, Donner is loyal and suspicious. Piper (GRD) loves everyone. I love them both and the Labbies and the Berner's and the rescues....dogs, I love dogs. A little respect in the community would be great.
Stonnie you are doing wonderful work educating the public on training and obedience for dogs. God bless you sir don't put to much stock in divisive comments from people who are hateful.
Just to be clear, discussing the breeding of exaggerated features in various bloodlines and the cons of that with respect to the structural health of the dog is not "divisive" or "hateful" just because it is negative. The fact is that the truth can be negative and can be offensive to those who wish not to hear the truth. That should not shut down the conversation. Why would a GSD breeder be offended by this conversation if there is nothing medically bad about breeding dogs with sloped backs?
The fact is that breeding in medically unsound, structural flaws into dogs for the sake of fad and fashion is not good for the dog. People who are offended by this important conversation should do some self reflection. Good breeders should strive to improve the breed and when it becomes apparent that certain blood lines are doing the opposite, there should be concern and conversation.
A true show/pet line GSD vs a true working line GSD are honestly like two diff dog breeds that just look similar. If you get either id recommend getting the genetic/health reports from the vet/breeder on the pups parents and grandparents as well as the puppy youre getting. Get full xrays, blood and lab work etc, both are prone to a lot of health issues, seems the show/pet line has more more often than not. Also be aware the working line temperaments, personality, prey/work drive, being dominant whether its male or female & what that comes with as far as handler and people friendly, food toy etc aggression being possible, the crazy drive for their ball, chew toy, bone and when they learn to work and start training get really into and want to do that amongst a load of other things is completely diff than what most showline GSD are goin to have. Without proper training for the dog and the owner/owners family etc a true working line GSD or any working line dog like a dutch shepard, boerboel, presa canario, rottweiler, doberman, cane corso, alabai, kangal, alapaha bulldog, pitbull (not a standard or xl bully) true working line pitbull, bandog requires an experienced owner willing to put in the work and training by a professional and then maintain it. End of the day both are great dogs, just need to know what youre getting, why youre getting it, what to expect and what you and your family are goin to have to do etc is a must for your, your families and the dogs ultimate safety / happiness.
Yeah Im just sticking with Labs:)
Yeah my working lines Malinois are intense
@@ej2863 yeah any true working line or hunting line dog is night N day different than a show/pet line. Some don't even look the same either.
I have a working line GSD, very very different from a show line. Extremely motivated, but once they have a job and know their job they are absolutely fantastic. My GSD lives for fetching a ball and nose work. But these are not the right dog for inexperienced dog owners. But the love and loyalty they give in return is priceless.
@@puckluck2357 yeah they don't even seem like the same breed at all. Same goes for working line Presa canario, boerboel, Alabai, Rottweiler, Malinois and Dutch shepards, Cane Corsos, Blood Hounds and then even hunting line dogs too vs pet/show lines.
First time i have seen this trainer, love the video and the happy dogs, they all look great. Some of us are more athletic than others, which doesn’t mean most of us can’t still hike and play sports etc. But I would hope breeders take healthy physical traits as a top consideration when breeding dogs. Pretty is as pretty does.
Love love love your videos. I have a 7 yr old American Choc Lab. She is every bit of what your dogs are. So easy to obedience train and so so so smart. I’m a marathon runner and she runs my long training runs..then gets home and wants to play more BALL. More ball the better.. We live in Montana, lots of running hiking and swimming. Even at 7, she is willing to learn new things. Once she learned off lease (6 months of age). It was a new adventurous world. I love love love the breed, and my dog. Oh many times I do not want to carry my water bottle when I run. I then hide it to pick it up on the way back but if I tell her to get my water bottle, she find it and bring it to me. Thank you for your amazing videos.
No Name is such a big, beautiful boy. ❤
Appreciate this video. I have Malinois so appreciate athleticism but I like GSD’s temperament for different uses. Dogs are so great, something for everyone. Thanks for all you do educating the officiandos and experts out here & just dog-loving me types too.
Deer poop, my poodle's favorite outdoor snack.
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This was such an awesome video. I loved seeing all of the dogs together. Labs are one of my favorite breeds, and little Teddy kept up really well! Awesome video Stonnie! 👍💕
I’m glad you liked it!
My understanding is that the hip angulation in German Shepherd Dogs, as told by a show-line preservation breeder, was that they were originally bred in for efficiency in gait, enhancing endurance when acting as a live fence to keep sheep herded together. However, it seems that actual shepherds of the past and present who utilise the German Shepherd for traditional herding avoid the extreme hip angulation that causes the low hip, slanted back, and excessive angulation. This type of conformation doesn’t appear to benefit the dog and seems more impractical when compared to other dogs with normal hips. especially since German Shepherds are now typically used as police dogs and for bite sports.
While I understand the point of your video and the exaggerated concerns of people who don’t like show-lines, what purpose does this hip angulation serve when normal hip angulation is more correct and efficient for locomotion?
Additionally, the breed has a high incidence of hip dysplasia. Although other breeds are also prone, whether this is related to the hip angulation in German Shepherds or not, why take the risk? My opinion is that the negatives outweigh the benefits, even if it’s slight.
Very well said. And I think that reason that show person gave for the angulation, etc. is pure BS. They’re gonna find a way to justify what they do. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna believe them. They do it for the ribbons, the money, and the prestige. And for some reason they think it’s pretty. It’s not pretty, and more importantly, it’s not functional. They’ve done weird things to a lot of breeds. Some countries have even started outlining the breeding of some breeds. I think that goes a little far, but I do wish the American kennel club would get their act together and start breeding for the benefit of the actual dog and not for some unrealistic standard, that they came up with one day.
Well said, people trying to justify the angulation is ridiculous.
My Boxer hangs out occasionally with a pack of Border Collies. My girl is athletic and built, and in pretty good shape. Still after 10 minutes of tennis ball play with the pack, the BCs run rings around her, and she has pooped out and quit, and is lying down in the shade while they keep on. Comparing 2 different breeds head to head is just not a fair trial across the board!
Perfect. We have a fox red english, and had other labradors, and I do agree our red is not as energetic as other labs. My gsd, was a wonderful dog, but didn't need as much running or exercise, but I lived her the same. So I'm not feeling negative towards any of these beautiful spirits.
He has no issues with climbing. But he hesitates at each drop off. He waits for instruction, instead of just walking or jumping forward. I'd be curious to know if he fell off something when he was younger, so he's more cautious about a dropoff? A friend's dog could climb up regular stairs. But he couldn't climb stairs that didn't have risers. The dog could see through that type and realize how much height he was up from the ground. It took her a lot of work and a lot of built up trust to help the dog through that.
The floppy ears and the gallump, gullump, as he's catching up.😂 He's a cute pup.
I always feel bad for the owners having to read the vile comments people spew. Remember this is someone’s pet when you’re making your comments
You can have discussion without degrading.
What I noticed is that this German Shepherd is well liked by the other dogs.
I've had 4 GSD's. All working lines from East Germany. Incredible dogs, super smart, very energetic and loves to work.
While Show line GSD's get all attention because of their appearance, many have such horrific angulation in their hips, they
develop hip dysplasia at an early age.
Go back and view how GSD's looked in the 1960's compared to now. Americans and Canadians have ruined the GSD.
If you're determined to get a GSD, research the working lines and compare their conformation, working drive and intelligence
to the show lines.
I have two labs, a British Black Lab and a British Fox Red Lab. Also previously had a rescue American Black Lab. I seriously
love both GSD's and Labs. They are the best of both worlds imho.
Thoroughly enjoy your dog training videos and the fact that you include other breeds to show variances in athletic prowess
and drive.
I’m glad you like our content! Thanks for watching!
Such sound advice. Thanks for the pack walk & for showing the similarities & differences between the two breeds. I so love watching the Labradors, will always be my hands down favourite breed. Such all rounders & beautiful to train.
Really enjoyed this. My daughter has a mix, German shepherd, pit, lab mix. But her gf son has a smaller shepherd neither r trained but they walk them as they live in the country. I encourage them to train them especially walking by your side. Thank u both love their dogs
Love your channel, it’s been really helpful with my chessie
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy our content!
I like to see the neighborhood Chesapeake retriever out for a morning walk. She sticks to her owner's side like glue (--an elderly man who clearly loves her company).
I love your videos. Especially one's like this. I have a golden Retriever, 4 months. The mom is a show line and the dad a working line. I've been watching to see which he more takes after. He seems to look like a show line and has the energy of the working line. Before listening to you, I wouldn't e en have know there was a difference. Thank you.
Thank you. What a life lesson ! Sir, you are a Bard.
I think any breed of dog deserves to have the best chance at a healthy, happy life. And I think, purposely breeding dogs with deformities that make their life harder and less healthy is a crime. It’s disgusting. I love all dogs, but I wish that breeders cared more about the health then the so-called beauty.
I liked that you afforded the Shepherd some respect and dignity. Great video. It would be fun if you ever get a high drive flat-coated retriever. It isn't a lab but they sure are fun.
German Shepherds back when I was a kid were able to climb straight walls and jump over extremely high obstacles. Just their presence in a home would keep any would be robbers away. I love all the Labs!!! they are the best dogs ever!
It would be interesting to follow this dog as he ages. It just seems that having their legs behind their hips would be asking for trouble, as the hips are not supporting their legs. The AKC is after the English Shepherds to have them join the AKC. It is about money. But the English Shepherd registry does not want to join as we have seen what it has done to the Australian Shepherds. English Shepherds are bred for good health and conformation and intelligence, not how pretty they look. As an English Shepherd owner, I hope that we never join the AKC. I hope this puppy does well long term.
Just watching this Shepard walk around in the first 5 minutes of this video made me come to the comments to see if anyone was seeing what I was seeing. His back legs seemed weak? Wobbly? Just idk how to describe it but just something seemed off about his gait. Front legs seemed a little shaky too but wasn’t nearly as noticeable. You’re the only comment I have found so far that has mentioned anything about this dogs legs.
We are responsible for the existence of basically all dogs. We are responsible when we selectively breed for traits which negatively impact the health and longevity of them. All the brachycephalic dogs come to mind. And the breed I have the biggest soft spot for, the shar pei. Cursing so many of them with chronic cutaneous mucinosis is so cruel for such a unique and beautiful breed. I've even considered breeding bone mouths myself.
Great video
Stonnie, I enjoy every episode!
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The problem with the show line German Shepherd is not that he can't move when young but that he will literally deteriorate with age with that sloped back and hunched legs. The dog will suffer a lot of hip and knee pain in middle and old age. It is a sadistic sin to breed a wolf to be so compromised. The same can be said for the unhealthy other breeds that can't breathe properly, cool themselves, etc. Our neighbor has a beautiful, non-show type German Shepherd and he is big, beautiful and has gorgeous structure and movement-- No slopping of the back with his hocks practically dragging on the ground like the show dogs. Had to avert my eyes watching the Best In Show Westminster 2024 when the female German Shepherd, Mercedes was trotted around the ring. Not trying to be vicious by saying this just telling the truth about what I see. The truth is very visual in this circumstance and then we have the data about hip dysplasia with this structure. The truth is not "mean" or "vicious" or "unfair" it is just simply the truth. When the structure differs this much from the wolf it is bad and hard to look at because we know the consequences for the poor animal.
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Exactly my thoughts, the awful backlegs on this poor thing
My Black Lab Mr. Handsome, prefers split firewood to anything, 1 piece at a time, all over the yard....I love it.
Teddy, thanks to your training, seems surprisingly agile, although he looks as if he suffered from cauda equina. I think chances are good that with the proper food, training and physiotherapy he will live a happy and relatively pain-free life.
Thanks for sharing, what are your thoughts on puppies going through fear periods?
Stonnie if you ever get a juvenile or adult dog who needs a loving home in the burbs we will come and get it. Don’t want to do the new puppy thing Long time lab mom here 🥰
I've owned both a working line and show line GSD and the only difference I've noticed so far is that my workingline hated other animals and my showline loves them! No issues with hips in either dog so far...
My only comparison is my West German show line shepherd and my neighbor’s English chubby. My shepherd has a much higher energy level and heat tolerance. The lab is the most chill dog ever and has zero desire to do much hahah! If it’s hot, forget it. He doesn’t even want to go on walks for very long. Also, his recharge rate is very long, whereas my girl’s is pretty short. But I have to qualify it by saying that my GSD is on the more high drive side than the low drive side, so might not be a true representative of the average showline shepherd.
Two GSD and a black lab here. And they all keep up with each other, what can I say?
I don't know hardly anything about these matters except I thought the German Shepherd appeared to be in pain when he walks. You never said anything about that one way or another, but after watching Teddy today I want to believe that what appears to my eyes to be a painful deformity is just a variation of "normal". As long as its not painful for him to walk, then I won''t judge.
Where did u get that cool zebra queen ?? Thanks
My shep mix looks to be a quarter lab. Super smart dog. I badically speak english to her. She fould keep up. Super fit explorer dog. Now she has a 3/4 lab brother the rest is lab. Great pair.
Naw, the ONLY dogs I'd rule out (for me) are the little prissy ones. As a kid, my options were a poodle, and/or a cat, and fish. That's what mom liked. Poodles make for good dogs, but, been there, done that. I've had one big dog and that was 30 years ago. My last dog was 20 years ago (smaller dog). I'm not too fond of today's (American bred) German Shepherds due to the high percentage of hip problems, but have always like the breed. I dream of having various breeds of dog, but if I do get another one it'll probably be an English chubby. I'm 64 and won't be getting any younger, so a high energy field bred dog wouldn't be a good choice for me (30 years ago would be different). I just flat love dogs. They're the best! Jokingly, cats make for good halibut bait.
God made different dogs because we have so many different types of people. I have had a pure bred lab, and a labra beagle. Both were great dogs. The pure bred lab was a germaphobe. If you sneezed or coughed around him, he would get up, walk to the door, turn around and give you a wth look, then go to the spare bedroom put his head under the bed and go back to sleep. After an hour or so he would come back to lay at your feet. The Labra beagle was just the sweetest most gentle dog. No drama, other than she loved rolling around on dead things. She even rolled on a dead porcupine, much to her chagrin. But over all she was just as lovable and huggable as you can find. I had to put her down last summer, and man I miss her.
I appreciate your training tips.
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So do I!
What kind of dog whistle do you use when training for hunting?
When i was growing up our farm dogs (a collie mix and a lab) we'd drive a tractor at 20 mph for 2 - 3 miles dog running alongside. (Generally couldn't keep up but darn close) then would run back and forth as we farmed prob 8 mph for 4 hours straight.
After two weeks of getting used to it, how many miles do you think the show gsd could run at close to max speed? Do you think it could do a mile at 15 mph?
How many hours could he run mainly continuous at a loping pace?
Same question show lab.
(My opinion 99% of field labs could do it)
Note i realize few dogs are asked to do this today. Trying to guage how limited (or not) the showline gsd is
Where did you get your vest with the pockets? Is it a fishing vest?
Good video. I go hiking with my golden retriever and Alapaha blue blooded bulldog. The bulldog just turned 1 year old. How do I build up her hiking tolerance? Thanks
A little bit at a time…
I love how they are all “ Nerds” 😂
Upper Lines & Lower Lines are clearly completely different phenotypes. I’m not a GSD owner, but as a former Schutzhund Club Agitator/Helper Ive seen hundreds of Lower Lines & Upper Lines GSD & THEYRE all great working dogs with training. But the Old DDR or even Slovakian Lower Lines are as different from show dogs as Rottweilers are from Malinois. They ALL Can do the work, but those Lower Lines make a Schutzhund 3 routine look like a BH COMPARED to an Upper Lines Dog. Even the show Lines GSD are still amazing working dogs compared to my Working Line Rottweilers. They’re usually well balanced between Sharp/Dull to do the routines, but like every show phenotype dog there’s more NERVEBAGS then in the working lines. Watching your Mal vids takes me down memory lane. Then I remember I used to be 6’2” & my arms used to be the same length. 30 years later I’m 5’11” & my left arm is 3” longer than my right. Every Agitator/Helper feels my pain!
What do you mean upper line lower line? What do you mean BH?
I used to be friendly with a handler who'd spent most of his adult life as a K-9 officer for NYC Corrections, then became a handler for detection dogs once he retired. He had several GSDs (one imported from Czech Republic), all beautifully trained. I asked him if he was familiar with Schutzhund and he was a bit dismissive, saying the K-9 training was actually quite similar (at least in NYC). He subsequently bought a new dog and was singing his praises, which included " . . . AND both sire and dam have their Schutzhund titles!" (The sire had apparently earned all three.) I eventually met the dog--he was wonderful.
@@akodo1 upper lines are show lines & lower lines are working lines. The BH is a basic traffic assurance test. Basically a Obedience routine with a few other small parts to make sure the dog has the temperament to go out in public.
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What percent if dogs do you think are for companionship, working, and showing? Im guessing 98%, 1%, 1%? These dogs will make great compsnions
What leash do you use ?
Does anyone know why my female Lab always carefully sniffs a treat for several seconds before eating it? I'm never seen a dog before be so careful about eating. I can only guess this has something to do with training/selection for "Only come back with the fresh birds, not the ones that have been dead for a while."
I think Teddy is gorgeous
I just lost my English Cream Golden Retriever. She had just turned 1 year old. She always chewed on everything. Five days ago she started vomiting and had bloody diarrhea. We took her into the emergency vet. They ran all kinds of tests and took three X-rays but didn’t see a blockage. They weren’t sure what was wrong with her. They kept her a couple days. They wanted to keep her to run more tests and take more X-rays. She wasn’t eating but was drinking. The vet bill was already $3500 so at the rate of $1200 per day we had to make the tough decision to bring her home to take care of her. She only lasted about two days. But at least she died in peace in the quiet of her own bed. 😭
God bless you and your best friend. Only He knows when our time will end. Hang in there. Your pup needs you as much as you need him.
So sorry for your loss. That is heartbreaking. I'm glad you could be with her at the end I'm sure you gave her great comfort.
@@sheenalambert5455 Thank you for your kind words.
That gsd doesn't have excessive angulation and the pup is young. The lab is more mature. Any why would you say "of course" the lab is easier to train learns faster and is a better athlete. I'm an all breed trainer as well as a gsd breeder and I find the gsds easier to train. Definitely more intelligent. So definitely some breed bias But, of course everyone prefers their own breed. And that's no surprise. My dogs are physically sound though. My show dogs work and my working dogs show. And they have no trouble at all keeping up with labs. I have a few German Shepherd dogs here that would retrieve until your arm falls off. And ive Never had even one puppy afraid of a wet tile floor in 25 years of breeding gsds. Great video! Happy training.
This is the kind of defensiveness SD was trying to avoid. The man is doing an objective, comparative study.
Expecting a dog bred for show to work like one bred for work disrespects the breeder and the dog. Do you show? Do you expect the dog to do any work? Look for a breeder that has the same focus as you do. Or adopt a rescue from the shelter, give it a good life and a reason to please you and be the best it can be
The gsd pup Teddy is only 18 weeks old. I promise all you concerned people that he will grow into those clumsy back legs and will not have issues. The angulation does not mean the dog will have more hip dysplasia than a less angulated GSDs. It is NOT a sign of hip dysplasia. The only way to check for possible hip dysplasia is with a good xray. You can never tell with your naked eye.
I’ve been working with GSDs for 30 years and know the growth pattern of these dogs. He’ll turn out beautiful…you all don’t have to worry about his hips.
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How old is No Name?
Depends on the line of the German Shepherd, and also it depends on the line of the lab. Hopefully the German Shepherd is from working lines and will definitely outrun the show lines of the lab.
What makes you think that?
What makes you think that?
Well, I don’t think it I know it and I think you might also, but we don’t have to get into it. The working line German Shepherd is phenomenal. Their bodies were meant to work and the stamina and temperaments to me are much better than the show lines and the show line has such a slope, and I don’t think they could jump 6 feet and much much more you don’t think the same thing
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Burning Wood is a Chore
Had both
German shepherd more health issues
German shepherd will die for you, Lab will be an intruders new best friend
Lab easier to train, but needs more exercise
German shepherd puppy more than double the initial price from a decent breeder
German Shepherd sheds more
Black lab overheats in the sun faster
Just some of my experiences
I was very pleased to discover that the Newfoundland I adopted at five years old will cozy up to just about anyone while we're out walking but if those same people get too close to the front door, she gets very defensive (she doesn't do this with friends who spend time in my house). No one gets in without Mommy's say-so!
You are using the showline shepherd that is night and day with a working line shepherd. Showline is great for people that like the look. Working breeds are not for novice handlers or owners
That’s in the title, no?
Which German Shepherd lines are still being bred to do the same work as the foundation stock?
Too often people lump American "show lines" with West 🇩🇪 German 🐕🦺 show lines; BIG differences between the 2! American Shepherds? Buyer Beware!
It makes me cry that this ever became accepted as the standard. The bent back and forced angulation of the legs cripples the dog's gate. A German Shepherd is certainly and willingly game to go & do, but the genetic changes in these show lines do make it more difficult, and, as was proven, recovery time is longer. My late '60s model GSD-turned-geriatric Tina, at 17, what's still game to go and do anything but was slower due to arthritis and the dog had said hip dysplasia which was actually countered with the fact that she was half Chow. BTW this particular crossbreed has got to be just the most perfect dog because, all of the good qualities cancel out all the bad qualities of the other breed, no matter which way you're looking at it... Health & structure,, sociable-but-alert & wary demeanor & attitude having just enough reservedness to not overreact, independence, trainability & obedience.... They have Instinct, Intuition, and Intelligence in spades, I tell ya!
I had a springer lab cross with hip dysplasia. She was a wonderful dog. She lived to be 16 years old. She came to be because two hunters went hunting one day and their dogs got together. I have a picture of her pointing a bird at eight weeks old. I never hunted, but she would point at things she wanted her whole life. Who knows how long she could’ve lived if it wasn’t for the hip dysplasia.
@@nogames8982 Commercial dog foods that don't supply bone to growing pups and to adult dogs are thought to contribute to skeletal problems in dogs (hip dysplasia not just a breeding/genetic risk). Bone supplies the best mineral mix plus cartilage components whereas most commercial dog foods fall short with their blends of calcium carbonate, hydroxyapatite and calcium phosphate. Ground bone, bone meal or appropriately sized raw bones for consumption supply the natural form and ratios of calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, etc. My field is biochemistry and I have a serious interest in canine nutrition so I read A Lot (I'm not just trying to babble here but instead trying to share info).
SHOW LINE ......... EQUALS .............. FROG LEGS !!!!!!! NO SHOW DOGS !
“ Of all the creatures that walk the face of the earth,
Dogs have chosen us, And us alone, to share their lives with.
May we prove worthy of such a gift.”
~~~ Anonymous ~~~
That’s a pup
You cannot get a healthy German Shepherd any line all in bread. Labrador Retrievers also have problems do to over breading but still can find good breeder.
Ugh, what breeders have done to the rear hips of the GSD is just a sad thing to behold.
I don't like what the German Shepherd breeders did to the hindquarters of that athletic breed. What's next, a pug nose?
Stonnie, it's about the deterioration of structural health over time because of the exaggerated breeding. Repeat this experiment with a middle aged show line German Shepherd that has excruciating pain in the hips, knees and ankles.
I understand your position, and I have demonstrated with older GSDs in older videos.
@@StonnieDennis Well, that is very good to know. I want all these pups to have a good life. Love your channel and have recommended it to all my friends. I literature/anecdote research canine nutrition as an interest. Currently doing a deep dive into excess, toxic copper in various commercial dog foods. Would love to know what you feed your beautiful, active, vibrant pack.
Sir, they just looked deformed and in pain, looking through my eyes
That’s a common observation, which is why I wanted to show one in free movement, with other dogs, for comparison.
@StonnieDennis okay. Thank you. But we need to talk about genetics, inbreeding, messing with genes, breeds, and, of course, mRNA.
Love you
God bless
This video means nothing. The dogs a puppy. Of course I can keep up. Let’s compare every single one of those dogs when they’re eight or 10 years old. And I don’t think people like me who are absolutely disgusted by what the AKC has done to the German Shepherd is ripping on an individual dog. It’s not the dogs fault it was bred that way. Every dog deserves a happy good life. But they deserve a chance and a healthy, happy life without undue struggles. And poor breeding gives them undo struggles. There are some great German shepherd breeders out there. But there are some terrible ones and unfortunately a lot of those terrible ones are being rewarded in the show ring and the pocketbook for breeding dogs that just can’t hold up overtime. And they say they do it for luxe. Which is never a good reason to do it. And it’s not even attractive anyway. So anyway, this video isn’t going to change anybody’s mind as far as their perceptions of the breeding of these dogs, and whether they can physically keep up with another dog. I wish the AKC cared about the health of a dog more than they do. And that goes for many many breeds not just the German Shepherd.
@@nogames8982 Amen
I see deformity and problems
I'm nobody
@@AnnaAnnieAnneofGreenGables basic knowledge of anatomy is all it really takes to realize there’s a big problem with some of these dogs. German shepherds are my favorite dog breed and it is devastating to me when I see the shape of some of these poor dogs. Humans can be so cruel. take those misshapen dogs out and let them run sheep for a couple hours. Let them do that every day for a week. They won’t hold up. There’s a reason the military dogs, police dogs, and even guide dogs are not shaped like that. Because they don’t hold up. They might hold up as a family pet. but that’s not what they were bred for. and I think every dog deserves to live a good life and these poor things just don’t not for very long.
Ears are down. Not happy
Has nothing to do with not being happy, they just haven’t stood up yet.
@@StonnieDennis not yet? Late bloomer
@@StonnieDennis 18 months old?
It takes a few months for those ears to stand at attention
@@miaque6460 I have a gsd. Not 18 months....
LOL! The chocolate lab was like, "I'll just join also".
It’s a shame how they made a beautiful German Shepherd active dog into a handicapped dog….
What a crime to a dog that one of the best dogs out there that is a working line balanced and well raised German Shepherd.
I don’t know what a shoreline German Shepherd is should be given a different name….
No.
You know, you could have at least watched the video first...
@@StonnieDennis unrelated comment but have you ever got to work with working line Kelpies? Reckon you'd really enjoy seeing how quick they learn. We have a 15 month old on the farm here in Ireland now and he's just fascinating to train, learns most things in 2 or 3 repetitions. Even more eager to learn than working line labs I reckon.
This was the DUMBEST video. The problem with the Showline GSD is that they won't hold up over a long period of time, i.e. that puppy at 5 yrs old will show issues physically, nor could they actually HERD, the job they ARE bred for. .
Idiot level comment.
If you know so much, why don’t you explain the concept of line divergence and how the show line GSD came to have this type of structure?
The divergence in the breed, like MANY breeds is because breeders in the ring breed to what wins NOT what is functional. MOST dogs in the breds ring CANNOT and DO NOT actually perform in the function the dog was designed and bred to do.
Sandiejohnson, you actually made some good points but because of your rudeness you lost all credibility. Why could you have not just given your opinion without the nastiness. There is NEVER an excuse for poor behavior.
@@cathyulbrich3481- bingo ! - sandiejohnson : Typical internet keyboard behavior. Just leave out the nasty comments, and you’d be fine. I hope you’d never speak to anyone like that in person. I’d venture not.
@@cathyulbrich3481 I honestly don't care if someone finds me creditable or not. They can do thier own research and find the truth.