Kevin Chiles Details His Mother Getting Killed by 3 Kidnappers (Part 10)
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2020
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In this clip, Kevin Chiles talked about his mother dying after three men abducted the girlfriend of his close friend and business partner. Kevin explained how the kidnappers were led to his mother's house by the abducted girlfriend which eventually ended with everyone in the home being shot with just one survivor. He said he blames his mother's death on his lifestyle and isn't satisfied that his killers are in prison.
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Either Kevin is smarter than most guests, or someone has told him to watch certian levels of question. Because he is VERY guarded. Good job, Mr. Chiles!
Of course, its not like he's new to knowing Vlad's style of questioning i'm sure he's been watching Vlad's videos for years like everyone else. lol
He's got a book to sell. He's not going to tell everything.
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He's a very intelligent man
Kev beat the Feds and then told them he’ll do 10 years if his man got 10 years. Intelligent is an understatement
Vlad Interrupts his guests telling the story like he was there or some shit.
🤣🤣😂
You’re 100% right. He keeps finishing his sentence. What’s the point of the interview then
Right lol
He is so detailed with his way if thinking til he wants more details than the guest are giving. Therefore he fills in the blanks and be like.....uhhhh they did it like this? You were thinking like this?
He’s an idiot
In the end, he says his mothers' killers being imprisoned to this very day or him killing them himself makes No diff to him bc nothing will bring her back. I wish the young men and women today could understand that wisdom.
Dam
Good
Point👍🏿
Never
Fuck that shit, if I was him THEIR families can get it, I'd get the satisfaction of them being locked up knowing they people's blazes up and they cant even go visit em lolol
@P Alexander You glorify a rat like Alpo and believe what he says? I think Alpo is soft. He would have been food in DC if he wasn't paying for protection. This guy walks amongst us with his head held up high. Where's Alpo at?
It's not about bringing her back. It's about them being dead too.
80s 90s New York was wayy beyond savage...
No doubt murders in the thousands per year and modern day Chicago thinks they have it bad or they the craziest generation....nahhh
80s was real fucked the savagely peaked there before the curve started to dip.
@@jamesriley5305 You fail to realize wayy NYC A bigger city than chicago. NY had like 1k murders at its worst. A smaller chicago had 800+...Chicago always been worst than NY lol , their music scene just made them popular recently.
Ratty Gang the same way East STL is more violent than Chicago, but no one talks about it
Ratty Gang nah it was over 2k...multiple murders a day. But you’re right about the difference in city size tho!
I've never seen Kevin smile, trauma runs deep. Sad.
PEPSEP do you know him personally? Didn’t think so.
I never noticed that
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......hello.......???? The man did like 15 yrs in jail not a cake walk by the way................
Not once . I've seen other interviews. He's solid af. Ten toes down. No smiles. All serious, all the time
PEPSEP YO VLAD STFU & LET THESE NIGGAS TALK!!! Got dammmm!!
RIP to his moms!
Wtf
Mad respect to you Mr. Chiles. I wouldn't even try to imagine.
Gabriel Navakuku i concur. You see the pain in that man eyes. He a strong dude.
He is the cause of this happening to his mother he murdered 3 ppl one of which was an older woman with children he was dating her niece and he also shot the girlfriends brother 9 times so it's his fault what happened to his mother
@@matranjlaacres6158 exactly these folks don’t know shit calling him a stand up guy
IDIOT GOT HIS MOMS MURK'D AND YOU SAY "MAD RESPECT"???
@@shimeicareaves I mean y’all don’t know the man neither but y’all speculating shit to us he is a stand up guy
Damn, AZ aunt & Kevins moms basically both innocently died the same way, due to their relatives own business....the drug game can get ruthless for real.
This is the part of the game that niggas don't account for when signing up for that lifestyle. When you decide to become a drug dealer and live the street life, EVERYONE in your family and friends signs up too (whether they like it or not). #SelfishGame
U are Being Bias n Prejudice against NYC Niggas...
What Happen?..
A NYC Nigga stole Ur Girl🤔🤔🤔...
U Nothing but A Hating As# Nigga(True Story)!!!!
@@cerebralmindgame9818 Its also a part of the drug game these studio kingpin rappers dont touch upon enough in their songs....which helps influence kids to make the bad decision of wanting to get in to the drug game
@@lethal5flow679 #Facts
@@cerebralmindgame9818 Didn't use to be like that, but pussies broke the code and started going after family. Family and civilians are supposed to be off limits, greedy suckers couldn't play the game with honor so they broke the code. Once they broke the code, only more dishonorable suckers started rising in the game. Aint no honour left in the game, it's done for. Disgusting.
This hurt but stories like these need to be told.
@N e g r i t o [tenfold] 😂😂
Smh the way he talking you can tell this deeply hurts his soul
But he keeps on telling it for internet love clout
He shoulda though about that when he sold another mans mother drugs. Karma will force humble pie down your throat no matter how tough you may have thought you we're
@@-sdot83 bro respect for this
@@GDNtwofourkilla 💯 appreciate it fam. Right is right and wrong is wrong i dont know why mfs think it only apply to some and not all
@@-sdot83 that's a bullshit narrative. Nobody puts a gun to a users head or a pipe in their mouth. They have a CHOICE, Kevin's mom didn't.
that’s why it’s important for us to remember that the decisions we make can not only affect us but the ppl around us also.
True
Terea can I have your Instagram account??
Your expiration date is already determined as soon as You're born
@@nicksandz3209 that’s somewhat true..we have choices that can alter that
@@tereamusic You can never alter your expiration date
The guilt he carries is unbearable. You can see it smh
i couldnt even fathom it
Dayum... message to the youth : leave that game alone
I remember being a little kid in the height of the Crack Era. You couldn’t play in the park without stepping on COUNTLESS Glass Crack viles. I was so used to it as a kid that I just kept playing with my friends and didn’t even realized how fucking INSANE that was until I grew up and looked back at it. There are stories from the crack era that this new generation would not BELIEVE and would think we were making it up! The 80’s and 90’s were the REAL Deal. I know they say it’s an opioid epidemic now but NOTHING will EVER Compare to the CRACK Era.
NOTHING.
Both my parents started off as dealers and ended up hooked. I grew up in trap houses and in poverty seeing shit no kid should see. People don't understand how the government fucked us up. We bomb countries for less than what the US government did to it's own citizens.
I seen my aunts & uncles stealing meat out of my grandmas freezer for crack.I seen grown women sell their bodies for crack.I Sold crack at an early age crack era was crazy
So that wasn't an exaggeration on New Jack City with the vials on the ground at the basketball court?
Mario Gambino NO Exaggeration my Guy.
Mario Gambino Definitely not an exaggeration. Truthfully speaking it was worse than what New Jack City showcased
Vlad chimes in wayyy too much
underground rapper don’t watch
@@NebraskaPoliceDepartment you love vlad
Facts, but Funk Flex is 100x worse
I hate when Vlad says his “Aha” this man is a real detective that gets happy when he finds clues 5:02
True
Lol
DJ blues clues ass nigga🕵🙄🙄🙄
Then don't watch dummy
Pop Vo why do you watch?
I Know deep down Kev knows that this lifestyle isn't worth it. Keep holding your head brother.💯💯
Wasn't worth it
N e g r i t o [tenfold] weirdo ass nigga you not tired of leaving that comment for shock value?
ALL THAT SAID WITHOUT ONE TEARDROP. THIS GUY'S MENTAL STRENGTH IS BUILT FROM TITANIUM. ALL THE BEST KEVIN GILES.
Youngsters the game is rigged!!! You can not lose if you do not play......The Drug Game Is Cursed!!! Crime doesn't pay. Thanks for keeping it all the way real. He is basically saying that the lifestyle is wrong. True repentance!!! Great interview. 👍🏽
THE TRUTH HURTS should have a million likes
Real shit
I totally agree with you, this game is beyond fucked up! But why our black people promote this lifestyle so much?
@@byronfarley8057 .....Charity really begins at home. I totally agree with you. The more our fathers, coaches, teachers, and leaders and mentors in the community condemn this way of thinking we will see a change in that criminal, shortsightedness mindset...
WE ALL MUST SET A EXAMPLE WITH OUR YOUTH ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. Thank you for your support.
@J Day us???? Crime doesn't pay for no one, nobody gets by..Crime effects all levels of society.
Kevin a real OG fr! He speak volumes in this interview this definitely best interview so far of 2020
Shouts out to this man for coming on camera and reliving this madness. Stand up G
Maaaan. I respect Chiles more and more every time I see another interview.
Now I can respect him, he understands that his lifestyle was the reason, he accepts responsibility.
“Even though she survived that gun war, she would of had to get it again for even taking them to my mothers house” Alpo
facts
TRU DATT .. KEVIN WAS MAKING MONEY ,,BUT WAS A PUNK .. WIT NO BALLS
Vlad is so insensitive sometimes. How are you going to ask someone if they shed tears over their mother's killer!?! Even if he meant it in a rhetorical way, it was an unnecessary remark
He's ridiculous most times! Just didn't make sense to ask that!
That shit was borderline disrespectful
He even giggled and laughed…like wtf, he’s such a spoiled little white boy that has never really been through anything.
@@iSh0otGunz facts
Exactly. He has such a disrespectful tone to him.
Po said he was trying to help with getting at these dudes that killed Kevin's mother but Kevin said he got it. I think Kevin probably just didn't trust Po enough to help with that.
And they were already locked up. Alpo was talking about hitting them in jail
@Skrill Dilly if you know about his famous prison interview, well feds magazine last year released some snippets that no one ever heard before. He talks about how crazy DC was, going to Rich's wake, giving him 100k for his brother, and the Kevin Chiles stuff. Here is the Chiles link and then you can click on the channel and go to videos to see the rest of them
ua-cam.com/video/BUHoEBdZXXw/v-deo.html
His drug dealing brought about the karma. On that basis, what would killing them do?
And Po is dead now. Who's smarter?
@@josefagyeman135 Satisfy his revenge Sherlock!
Listening to Kevin Chiles speak is like being at the movies. You can't wait for the next exciting scene yet you're holding on to your seat in suspense. He's definitely a legend yet a profound story teller at the same time.
Kevin story is the realest, noone ever loses their mom in the game !
50 cent
@@stevenlacy6143 50 wasn't on this guys level in the game.. his mother was also in the game, she wasn't innocent
Bruh ur trippin, mfers lose their whole families in that game all the time! Shit even the family pets, that’s just how shit goes.
@@stevenlacy6143 50 mama got killed because of the game she was in, not 50's lifestyle
I can't imagine the pain this man went thru may she RIP
Goes through*
@@javiersanchez4057 oh great the grammar police I said went thru because I'm sure it was way worse back then instead of now
@@coolcat5798 ignorant as fuck bro . I said it in a way that he to this today he still goes through that pain.
I have watched many interviews with former drug loads,Gang bangers,and mafia killers but this fellow truly shows the repercussions of living that type of life.Although he has turned his life around and is a successful buisness man and community leader,the guilt of him feeling he was at the end responsible for his moms murder must be at times crushing.Although we must live with decisions we have made and things we have done that guilt is tough.I hope he can find peace in the fact that his mom knew how much he loved her and would never do anything to hurt her.
It's a crazy way of life especially since these guys were teenagers and had no clue the money and drugs would cause so many problems smh...
This situation is truly messed up. My Condolences 🙏🏾
Naww, that young lady would had to look me in my face and tell me why tf she took 3 robbers to my moms house .
Exactly
This a Good one Vlad...A++👍
This dude is so well spoken. Some of them who ran the street could run fortune 500 companies. Sad what happen. Example of lifestyles you choose.
Back then young people were far better spoken than today
Being well spoken don’t mean anything you still can be dumb….it’s ppl like you who get finesse by “well spoken” people
Man you went through it I don’t know how you kept your composure and poise during that interview. D Jones will pray for your loss
Truthfully one of the calmest most intriguing interviews of Vlad that I've honestly ever watched. I like the way he takes time to thoughtfully answer the questions. 💯💯👍🏿👍🏿
Have you ever seen Azie's. I have a link if you want. I believe that you would like it based on what you said
Vlad: you didn't shed a tear. Kevin😠 why would I!? Detective Vlad at his finest.
Orlando Cortez that pissed me off hey, how the fuck is vlad trying to joke about this guys mums murders
He's not making this man talk.
I'm convinced he's not sober minded when conducting these interviews, and he certainly needs to take a course in empathetic counseling. Essentially, Vlad is counseling a lot of his guests, allowing them to exorcise demons but, the problem is that, he tries too hard to steer the narrative as well as the conversation, and if you add that to his lust for sensational soundbites, which he uses for titles and flashbacks, then it becomes a borderline disrespectful hack job when it could be award winning journalism. I think it's time he took a holiday and studied some.
Beautifully put
Edward Ricketts well damn it sir
I can see a lot of pain in his eyes 😔
Great content Vlad keep it up brotha
Oh wow his poor mama!!! 😢🥺 RIP to her 💔
Gosh Vlad says some questionable things during this interview that looks like it annoys Kevin too
Southern California yup , that’s Vlad.
I guess that what makes some people effective interviewers. Normal people wouldn’t even want to bring stuff like this up with people, but we do want to hear the stories
implies that he put his friend before his moms..... Vlad is a complete idiot
This is exactly what I was thinking while listening to this. But I tried to think differently.
Vlad oftem seems like a kid reading a comic book or watching a movie like a fanboy. Not realizing it's actually real lives and real situations. Happening.
His interviews are enjoyable but this has always something I noticed...
The level of respect that I have for this dudes pain is beyond comprehension! Because what happened to him is something that could've happened to anyone of us that was in that business. For youngins that don't know this was fairly common back then also kidnappings. Two of my friends mother's were shot in home invasion robberies, but both lived and that alone was traumatizing! That was the crack era!
Why? He is the reason his mother was murdered he killed someone's mother and they retaliated
@@matranjlaacres6158he didn't kill anyone's mother dumbass
You ain’t seen paid in full blood ? Kevin aka Calvin smoked 3-4 people over drugs
Legend..... demeanor is on chill always
Praying for this man. He is sooo tired
Krazy. I'm hunting every enemy I ever had down.
Put that energy into making bread.
Dont type it nigga do it smh
Your a twat.
B. Tisdale yeah but how many people from the pj’s u know that has Osama’s resources. Think before u speak sometimes. Lmao!
He said they couldn't stay in NYC. He was going to do something vicious to them if he caught them
Mr. Chiles has a true intensity bout him.
Much respect to you Bro!!
Alpo said he was upset with Kevin on how he handled it. Alpo told him the guys can get touched and his people only want $10,000. Kevin said no he got it. Then Alpo said he’ll pay for it and handled it and Kevin said no. Alpo also said the girl that took them to his mom would have to die as well. Vlad get that Alpo interview NOW!
To be fair, they were already locked up but Po also said that he would have killed the girl too but Kevin did not even really question her much
Boy I've been watching this clip by bits all day. This shit was heavy.
Damn that’s a tough one to live with Kev. Prayers up for you. “Streets” is the worsts genocide of my people.
not only "of your people" the streets taking lives all around the world bro. everywhere its the same, no matter of color.
richthekix it happens around the world. But black brown communities in first world countries are dying to fast. It’s not supposed to be to the degree that it is in a first world country with communities who have been in the country for centuries. Ions. It’s a unique problem.
But your name alludes to "Frank Matthews". Really?
Mister Fantastic true so should it take away from what I said? Should Kev’s story not be heard because he was in the game?
richthekix black all people suffer true but historically my people suffer the most however you flip the coin
I'll bet he would give ever cent back to have his mother for 1 more year!!! Sad
I can see in his eye's the guilt he feels everyday his actions caused his mother to be murdered. That shit haunts him
Wow his own mom man over some bullshit ass crack ......damn man
Kevin is stand up. I always knew the story but hearing the way he tells it and how he accepts his own responsibility for what happened, I will never speak bad on dude. He stood tall in every situation. He didn't get revenge but its not like they were in NY. Alpo said that he could get them touched in jail but that's not a guarantee when niggaz don't have guns. They also could have told on him to get lesser time. Just a fucked up situation but Kevin is solid.
If you really look back on it, he has a case for being the guy that the streets appreciate the most. He had a longer run than most, had a bigger empire than most, didn't tell the police on the people who killed his mom, and refused to tell when he was facing life.
Top notch stores, the #1 street magazine, and many more. The most solid OG but doesn't get the appreciation just because he didn't get to retaliate on his mother's killers
Only the real will get it...
Alpo wasn't in jail when he offered to handle that he was still on the street lmao you ole over dramatic niggas kill me
He said he also had the drop on one of those kats Moms & chose to let her live.
@@castolano nigga I'm saying that the dudes was in jail. Alpo didn't say that he would do it. He said that he knows some dudes that can get to those cats on the "island" (Rikers) and all they want is 10k in their account. Talk what you know, or stfu
Actually the dude who ran the scheme that killed his mother is another Bronx wild dude. he's well known in NY prisons for let's just say "protecting himself". Even some of the prison gangs made peace with him to avoid a war. But no doubt Kevin is a stand up dude.
Damn man. I was my moms caretaker for 3 yrs and she finally passed from cancer in 12'. That was the worst experience of my life. Sumthn like this might even be worst....
Lovely.E. so sorry for your loss and all the pain you have gone through
I just heard a audio clip of Alpo saying he told Kevin that some of his friends would kill the guys for $10,000, and Kevin said no he would Handel it himself, so somebody is lying
Hats off and salute the big homie Kevin Childes much respect. I was running around Harlem in that era and I can say he was one of Harlem's hustlers who's team I admired. They were smooth and lo key . Big up Estos. Once that store opened he got smarter well insulated. For the record from a Harlem Cat he is definitely not a agent. He did his time protected his people and looked out all the time
Imagining that happening to my own mother crushed me i can only imagine his pain 💔💔Rip mrs chiles
You really never know what people have been through, God bless
Drop the full one already maaaaaan
Sorry for your loss Mr Chiles. Sad story that needs to be told.
Kevin is a respectful classy gentlemen I'd love to see a T.V series made of this story and everything surrounding it
Just listen to AZ!! He seems so credible,don't believe he was against you!
Brotha been through way too much..God Bless & respect
This is a hurtful story,, my condolences to his family,!! He is a strung man to speak about this,!! This would be hard for me to speak,!!
May Her Soul Rest In Peace! 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Damn I remember all party’s the roof top, S&S , LQ , Willie Burger, Everyone going to DC and Virginia Beach 🏖 it was a magical time , All the killing and Robbing it wasn’t suppose to be like this Damn 😞
Willie Burger 145th man good times
I remember Guys out at Willie Burger 🍔 blasting “THE VAPORS” BY BIZ you had to be there Young Black Brothers It was a Special time ; the stick up game wasn’t we’re most people heads were at it was if you needed something and I have it no worries cash ,a car . If you was in College or doing anything positive the Street Guys had your back because they didn’t want you involved in the life;; this story make me sad 😢 being from that era it didn’t have to be , money 💴 was plentiful,just be of integrity and let someone know.
@@Zionyards facts
His mom was a bank manager, damn
I like this dude Kev interviews he a real humble dude I salute
This man been through so much and threw it all he managed to become a successful entrepreneur. I know this hurts you bro.. Just hold your head man and keep striving!
Byproduct of the drug game. He said it. His lifestyle lead to his moms death
He is often intelligent.. Enjoying listening to him...I am really enjoying him..
Why wouldn’t she take them to her boyfriends house. She was in on it and it went bad they couldn’t let her leave either
Exactly I said the same thing
Or like he said, she was so young and not able to think on her toes, she did exactly what they asked. They probably asked for Kevin’s crib and she tried to give them exactly what they asked for. And I doubt a chick is gonna suggest to gunmen that they rob HER MAN instead. Her being “in on it” ain’t farfetched, but the way he explains it is sensible and understandable too. Just crazy circumstances no matter how we look at it. Rest in Peace to his moms.
How would they ask to go to kevin crib's if kevin said he never met them or seen em
RdvaisTv _ You think hustlers always know who it was that hit them? It’s just a matter of getting lined up. Juxmen do they homework. If they can’t get you, they get to the nearest thing to you. They thought shorty could get them to Kevin because he was his right hand’s lady.
I was waiting on someone to say what o was thinking. I'm wondering if his homeboy was in on it. She could of stepped out alone. There is no honor amount thieves. I think Chile's isn't buying her story 100%
Yo Vlad is annoying af in this interview. Let the man speak without you jumping in trying to tell him what happened in his life
That shit is deep man these evil streets ain't even worth the thought of the millions that you can possibly make when you're doing the devils work.
Chilling🥶
my condolences to you family!
This happen to a friend of mine in the L.A. area in the early 80s. His stepdad was a top dog kingpin on the West Coast, and the mom was the wife of this guy. The mom was killed, and my buddy has been in the church for decades. After his mom's death, he flipped out on PCP for awhile. Very sad situation.
I can’t wait for vlad to drop this full interview
Fuck Vlad get his book support him not this Vulture
kevin has a good interview on Infominds channel on youtube Kevin Chiles DOn Diva
I pray that everyone take notes of this interview. sometimes our lifestyle can fall on our love one's .
I have nothing but the highest respect for you my brother.
Wow his friends girlfriend takes her abductors to his mothers house and that's how his moms got killed. She's was a bank manager at that. Dam shame how this drug world is. Innocent ppl get caught in the crossfire. And how ironic that the girlfriend that took them there survives!
The dumb always live
N e g r i t o [tenfold] chiles had numerous spots you think he’ll have the drug money at his momma home ? That’s a no no lol
@@newmoney7213 exactly
that's just so strange that she is the only one that didn't die, she brought them to his mother's house and he has no idea why she would do that smh
That's a tough one 🙏
Drop the full interview
I’m good just sitting here eating chips and smoking weed
Facts
Me to big bru
My life is quiet and boring as fuck
And I wouldn’t have it any other way ✌🏿
I’m sure I wouldn’t have the ability to tell a story like this cause I would be in jail 🤷🏽♂️
another wav them niggas did the race bro you wasnt boutta catch em
Been in jail for what? Killing innocent people. Them dudes got outta there. Do u know how much money and resources Kevin had. If he couldn't find them you wouldn't find them...
Most of us would
@@Amirandmydad19 exactly. It's easy for us to get on here and say what we would have done, like we're more vicious than the person we're ultimately comparing ourselves to but, let's be honest, there are no "real" gangsters in the comments sections of UA-cam. 🤦🏾♂️
What type of special skills do you have in tracking people? Because I’m pretty sure you’re just an herb who comments on UA-cam
I’m glad that he knows and have accepted that it was his lifestyle that got his mother killed.
The 80's and 90's was hard on my family as well as his. S.I.P MY HARLEM KINGS and QUEENS💔🙏🏾
I can honestly say this was
Better than the queens flip interview
I remember rita.. sad..other female killed
Rita? Was she the gf that brought them there or the friend? Do you know if rita died after all this?
@@latuba27 she died.. shot point blank in head. She was pretty too
Sad story 🥺
Great interview. Alotta guys come to Vlad and fairy tale stories but I can tell every thing he saying is authentic.
Kev had a store 25th with a bmw inside the store. And owned Boss sneakers. Lotta cats dont know that.
Keith Gaston yepp Boss sneaker store on 125th street had the BMW in the window as a show piece
My family life's being put at risk is the reason why I didn't choose to sell drugs... Kevin has to live the consequences of is actions... Money is not the route to evil, not have any is!
My 💜 goes out to him
I know of his friend he talked about. His story in of itself is wilder than his, alpo's...and a lot of others. Only he is still alive, and free. So I will never name him all the way.
Standup guy it must have taken a lot of constraint not to kill those guys mother's when he had the opportunity to. They dont make em like this anymore to spare the innocent and accept the consequences of being apart of that drug game.
Not me alot of mamas daughter's sons grandma's all that shit would've got flipped
I like to believe I would have done the same
@@MrTruefacts101 totally understandable
Others get hurt from your bullshit. To hell with people like this. Do all that dirt and get to live while others who did nothing have to suffer.
This
Hey everyone, just out of curiosity, from people that have been in prison or know someone who is or has been to prison, in situations like Kevin Chiles, lets say for example he took matters into his own hands and killed the guys that killed his mother and Kevin gets locked up for life. How will the other prisoners treat him? Especially after checking his paperwork and realize why he's there.
You know the answer to that. It's prison. He would be held in the highest regard which is why Alpo said that he would have killed them and the girl
Dammmm
The OG man
🙏🏼🙏🏼
I think what is even more sinister about K.C. story is this was the norm back then. Your street life associates everybody close to you whether they want to participate or not. GOD bless his mother soul though and GOD bless K.C. If you from the old N.Y. these stories were common and dudes like K.C. were trying to come up under dismal circumstances.