Pyle PLINK5 - HDMI capture that simply works!
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Even 28 years after "plug and play" was first promised to PC users, it's rare to encounter a multimedia peripheral that simply works the first time you plug it in, with no special drivers or software needed. The Pyle PLINK5 PCI Express HDMI capture card is one of those products.
#hdmi #capture #gaming
HDCP-stripping HDMI splitters will do wonders for the problem later in the video, as others have mentioned. I'm using one for capturing my old Playstation 3 amongst some other devices, which for some stupid reason has HDCP permanently enabled at all times (on the PS4 it can be turned off at the cost of no longer being able to play protected video content). The PS3 outputs into the HDMI splitter, output 1 from the splitter goes to my TV/monitor (which supports HDCP and allows it to establish a handshake with the source) and output 2 (devoid of HDCP) goes straight into the capture card
Yep! It's odd that they never let you disable it on PS3. In fact, even with a modded system, it's flat out hardcoded into the system and cannot be disabled.
@@SockyNoob I read somewhere that it's not just hardcoded (as in: in software), but actually done in hardware with the HDMI transceiver on the system board having it permanently enabled and the option to disable it simply not used. I've since found some other devices where it's permanently enabled (HTC phones with HDMI output via MHL) or HDCP support is simply buggy as hell (Xbox One X, starting certain apps like Amazon Prime Video will enable HDCP console-wide til you go to the settings an toggle a power saving option off and back on)
@notfiveo Did you post this in the wrong place or something? Has nothing to do with my comment. That said, MP4 is just a container and can have either H264 or H265 video in it. In the video at 4:26, it's MP4 as a container with H264 video (aka AVC)
@@Knaeckebrotsaege which is kinda ridiculous lol. Have no idea why they put that on a system literally marketed as a multimedia platform lol.
You can bypass HDCP using cheap HDMI splitter
I have cheap Chinese HDMI to USB, which works pretty much on everything tough it has too much lag, and the quality isn't good but still better than nothing!
@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka I rhink I hqve that too. Considering that it streams the video in MotionJPEG, it's not that bad when you capture at 720p60fps.
Now, that does mean that anything larger or samller than 720p will look muddy as all hell, but it's still quite preferable.
@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka yep the cheap MS2109 1080p30 (some seller claim 4k30, usb3, those are fake specs)
Doesn't care about HDCP and does an okay job recording
There's apparently a new version that's real usb3 and 1080p60, can't remember the model name
Yep I use one with the same VCR!
@@TingFeng77MS2130, works great
Hopefully now that you've likely seen all the recommendations for using a cheap HDMI splitter, we can maybe get a "part two" of this video with the VHS via HDMI footage. You could even use a Blu-ray through the capture card to capture a few short clips, and then use those to maybe create your own color profile setting to adjust any differences in terms of color, contrast, etc. between the Blu-ray and the captured footage, which might make your VHS transfers even better if there's any slight differences.
I believe UA-cam could demonetize his video, if he explicitly mentions how to circumvent HDCP because it could be illegal in some regions.
However - freedom of speech and all that, when we innocently try to help him out, mentioning the splitter solution to solve him not being able to play his own recorded videos, is not affected by UA-cam's policy against the creators. (Hehe) :-D
@@thomashenden71 He doesn't have outright mention the solution, just that the UA-cam comments provided him with a solution and "here is the result."
@@thomashenden71 Could be an LBRY exclusive.
the little chimes that Sony camcorder made when you were flicking through the settings is honestly pretty adorable
FYI, some HDMI splitters may help you with your original purpose for this capture card.
Hey I used to record PS3 gameplay videos back in the days. And you were not supposed to be able to capture PS3 footage because of the copy protection. I found out online that getting a cheap hdmi splitter, where you would put the PS3 video feed as the input and connect one of the output to the capture card would actually do the trick. These cheap splitters somehow removed the copy protection. Probably by not fully abiding to the hdmi standards. This could be a possible solution to look into.
I believe they do that because no splitter would ever work unless it stripped the HDCP data. HDMI splitters arent like old composite or svideo ones, afaik, they contain whats basically a HDMI DSP chip with HDCP just like a TV would, due to HDMI being digital and a 2 way connection. HDMI devices negotiate together to determine resolution and format etc, so if you just split the signals like an old analogue Y splitter would do, you end up with none of the devices being able to communicate properly (like they're all "shouting" over each other). In other words, the PS3 would see the splitter as a TV, and then devices connected after that, such as a TV or capture card, are being served individual connections as if you had 2 separate PS3s connected to them.
I hope some of that made sense lol
It is strange that that strange DVD-VHS combo is costantly putting out an HDCP signal even when it's not actually doing anything. Still this would be the proper fix.
Is it possible the HDCP only needs confirmation from one device when a splitter is used?
@@Unirule The way that HDCP works is that it's enforced by the source device. It does a handshake with the receiver device to make sure it's legit, and if it is, it sends put the data. In this case, the DVD/VHS player decides that the capture device is not compliant and sends a picture instead of the actual video. Other devices might so something else; they might not even send anything at all.
The splitters abuse some chips meant to be used in surround sound receivers that act as HDMI input selectors (if the incoming video wasn't decrypted, your receiver couldn't overlay any menu or messages on the signal). Technically if the splitters were compliant they would need to enforce HDCP on the output as well, but most of the cheap ones don't. Glossing over loads of technical details, but that "HDCP Protection" message is almost certainly coming from the DVD/VHS combo when it failed to negotiate HDCP. If you had a HDMI splitter that didn't do HDCP, you would see the same message on a TV as on the capture card if both were hooked up. Receivers that don't support HDCP don't make any special provisions since detecting something was wanting to negotiate HDCP would require implementing at least part of the protocol (which would cost money).
😂 “That ain’t workin’” clip had me laughing!
Oh wow, that 480p is clean. 480i is relaxing to watch.
It does have a nice softness to it but the one camera handling interlaced modes by just splitting 30 progressive frames rather than alternating lines of 60 fields is kinda crummy, but i guess it's just tossed in for compatibility with older TVs.
This is the only video I can find for this card that actually demonstrates the installation and use of the card :D
Your videos are always so thorough and well thought-out. Keep up the good work 👏 👍🏻
I bypass hdcp copy protection for recording tv by using a hdmi splitter device with 2 outputs
This may be one of the few times I've seen you use some up to date hardware and be satisfied with it.
Nice card, And the ability to handle 480i over HDMI is a bonus for those of us who shoot 480i for compatibility with older "stock footage"😊 I hate copy protection schemes.Not because I want to pirate copyrighted movies. It's caused a lot of PITA times when digitizing MY OWN (In other words, shot my ME) videos. 🤬
Same same!!!
Ahh 'shoot 480i' with the 'ol '90s Digital8 Handycam with Night Vision that could 'see through women's bras'. I have that model and it doesn't see through bras - not that I've used it in 20 years...
I managed to snag the PLINK4 off eBay and didn't have any HDCP issues as far as I could tell, interestingly! Also had super ease of it just working. Really happy with it too for routing analog video art and sampling.
Great video and nice intro! For more modern devices that can use HDMI, this is a pretty convenient solution. Plus it actually being plug and play is always helpful! The video quality, even on the lower settings, looks excellent.
I bought a Pyle microphone. It was the best thing I ever did, it was excellent. Very impressed with their products.
My only experience with Pyle products is the Pyle PCA4 mini amplifier I have on my computer to power my speakers. I got sick of listening to crappy powered computer speakers and bought the amp and a nice pair of bookshelf speakers. I did this 6 years ago and everything still works and sounds great. Even the pots on the amp are still nice and silent with no crackling or static.
The Pyle professional speakers are really good too. I got 5 sets of the paper surround 12" woofer, 5.25" backless mid, 4" piezo horn tweeter. Had them for over 10 years and work great for my surround.
Nice to see something new that is reasonable and works as it should!
The two chips on the back are likely FPGAs.
As others have mentioned, some HDMI splitters do strip HDCP out which should allow you to use this card for your original intended purpose.
Good job Pyle for sourcing a competent card ! I'll take it as a W
for the hdcp issue: in most cases the source is shutting down ("rendering that 'HDCP-f*'**-o**' logo): in that case a 1:2 hdmi splitter works: One of the outputs EDP data is passed to the input.
1) connect a TV to one of the outputs(you will have to test)
2) connect the capture device afterwards to the 2nd output (this one isn't seen by the source)
3) the playback device on the source will just "see" the TV and pass a verbatim copy of the stream to the 2nd output. VOILA!
The card contains an HDMI splitter, he just needs to connect an HDCP compliant device to the card's HDMI output...
Pyle have seemingly been putting their name on better stuff recently than they did in the 90s and early 00’s. This will now be the 3rd product of theirs I’ll have bought in the last 2 years having avoided them like the plague in the past
9:13 ! I recently captured the sibling tapes of this very tape series related to windows, word and excel in my everlasting digital hoarding. Small world.
I’ve captured the family home videos long ago, so to occupy myself with a new time consuming enjoyable project, I recently captured whatever remaining VHS tape I could lay hands on. Official movie release tapes (which I probably could have skipped) to the home recordings of tv, and all of it.
It's not likely I’ll ever watch these captured videos in full, but now I have them available and in my PLEX. Watching during capture, seeing some great nostalgia moments (usually in the tv recordings and old commercials), and seeking the video file after it’s done.. the project overall is enjoyable when in the mood.
Like I assume most of your viewers, I relate to your interests, projects and what you show. Many times I’ve found the common ground and relatable to be spooky.. Spooky Mulder even.
An overlong message to say ‘Hey I just captured that tape you showed!’.
An overdue - Thank you for the videos, information, and entertainment.
Pyle has some good cheap stuff. 20 some years ago I had a 2000 watt Pyle Amp in my car. I'm sure it wasn't making rated power, but it was stupid loud. Made my whole car shake. So a big thumbs up to Pyle from me.
I got a Pyle 40” sound bar for my side by side and a Pyle self powered enclosed 8” subwoofer. It sounds like quite the party wagon.
Recently, I've been capturing old VHS, Hi8, and Digital8 videotapes to my computer using a $10 VIXLW brand video to USB 2.0 converter. It has S-Video, Composite Video (RCA jack), and left/right audio (RCA jacks) inputs. For the best results, I use the S-Video output which has separate luminance and chrominance channels. I use OBS Studio to capture the video, but it but it captures at 16:9 aspect ratio with black to the left and right of the video. My video editing software can crop this video to 4:3 aspect ratio for the final product. I usually adjust the crop to minimize the visible videotape tracking noise in the VHS and Hi8 recordings. However, the Digital8 recordings from my 23 year old Sony Digital8 Handycam have absolutely no recording noise and record beautifully. There is the typical sensor noise at low light levels, but that is to be expected. I am very pleased with the results!
I am interested in learning if the Pyle PLINK5 was capable of capturing the HDMI video without compression. This is desirable to be able to apply post-processing algorithms to the raw video frames where the camera sensor output has not had any correction applied.
Those HDMI captrue cards are always handy and actually useful not only for gaming. Well even though I use mine to stream video games (I have an AverMedia Live Gamer Ultra GC553) it is very nice tool for making tutorials, using cameras as a video source for live streaming, the list can go on. I noticed quite an explosion in this market as of recent years, it seems it's not only an Elgato or AverMedia. If I could get this one at a great price easily, I would have done that. Sadly, it's out of reach for me at this point in Czech market. So I gotta stick to my USB thing for now.
A note on how you recorded; the compression used isn’t from the capture card but the camera app. the software defines how well your computer records. Better optimized software will let even weaker hardware record if you keep it up to 1080. And the windows camera app is one of the last things I’d use a capture card with. You could try VLC or OBS, there’s definitely some different software I haven’t heard about as well. (Even command line ffmpeg can do it but it’s a bit less convenient)
+1 on recommending OBS, surprised he wasn't already using it
@@Unirule Me too actually. It's the standard these days.
Not true. This device compresses the video in hardware, like most capture cards. It has to: a 4K 30p 4:4:4 8 BPC signal is 9 Gbps. 1x PCIe 2.0 is 5 Gbps, 1/2 of what you need for uncompressed video. Another example is you cannot get raw video out of most HD webcams, it comes out either MJPEG or H.264 encoded, and 4K webcams use H.265.
Isn't it the case that some cards will perform compression onboard and provide to the PC a compressed video stream? And the recording app is just decoding it on its end or dumping what it's getting to disk? Or is this no longer the case nowadays, and it's just feeding full resolution, lossless video frames?
@@straightpipediesel At 2:00 you can see the formats it supports. 4k NV12 is only half the rate, since the U/V planes are quarter resolution. (ie 4:2:0)
Every once in a while, Pyle has some real gems!
Wow!!! 480p -> 720p looked absolutely gorgeous! 480i wasn't that good of course, but who needs it today? Even old Android boxes from 2014 have adjustable 720p->CRT570/480 internal converters. Just used one such thing today to watch UA-cam on my 25"CRT TV via RDP to my Windows10 desktop
For digitizing VHS, I've had good luck with my RetroTink 2x Pro into a HDMI to USB capture device.
Unideal
Excellent dire straits moment
Just in time for supper a new video yeah I bought that card and was pissed off wasn't able to captures VHS over HDMI...I had big hopes for using it for that purpose... Didn't work I put the card in his box and returned it to the store I got it thanks for making great videos Kevin have a nice week
If you had a hdmi splitter it strip the HDCP
Thanks so much for this review: You helped me make the decision to give this card a try. I have been using an elgato HD60 Pro for about a year now to capture and passthru HDMI from my Nintendo Switch, and I've been frustrated by crackling/noise in the audio that I've not been able to resolve. I'm encouraged to see another brand that is substantially less costly and appears to be a solid contender. And a little shopping let me find it for just $90 - woohoo!
So, the card arrived and it did not function at all. Completely powerless. Unfortunately Pyle could not support it (more than a week with nothing beyond me verifying where/when I bought it over and over again). I'm going for a refund.
Get a Hdmi splitter 1x2 , it can strip hdcp ... this is the common thing you do to record PS3\PS4 footage ... new splitters can do 3D and even 4K and support PS5... don't tell sony about it hahaha
This seems much better than those ubiquitous usb HDMI capture cards, though they are convenient since they can be used with a laptop.
It’s unfortunate HDCP fouled up your plans, since I’m interested in seeing what VHS upscaled via HDMI would look like. Doing VHS digitization and upscaling that way with the Pyle would be less painful than doing things the old way over composite or S video.
Less painful? If you have a decent capture card then recording composite video just works and is also more accurate. Kevin did this in his "VHS - Better than you don't remember" video. IMO HDMI capturing from VHS only makes sense if the only thing you want to do is share it online _and_ you have one of the super-rare VCRs with HDMI output.
@@eDoc2020 It is less painful if all you want you want to do is upscale, deinterlace and save it as an MP4 on the fly. It’s not the right way nor the best quality method but it gives good results for little investment of time and money. I do regular composite capture all the time, but having a quick and dirty upscaled to HD capture process would be nice for low-quality VHS tapes like commercials and TV shows.
HAY That looks like a product key code might be worth going in and blurring it with the UA-cam tool if the software is actually usable.
Thanks for going back to 1080p.
I wish PYLE still made their single 12' bandpass. Haven't seen them since the 90's, the most space efficient single bandpass I've ever seen,😭.
Pyle used to be a decent name but corporate jerks moving out to China, turned the company in to a pile.
@@f.k.b.16 no kidding i got a PDU for my rack and the ears were just thin stamped metal the bend with weight on it (3d printed a filler piece to sit behind it for more rigidity) and all the outlets where the stupid universal ones (you could plug a US, EU, or Chinese plug into the back, although everything was 110) so all the plugs sat loose in the sockets
These 12 feet reminded me of that Spinal Tap scene about the Stonehenge (and about its real-life Black Sabbath origin)
@@jjjacer I was almost scammed by a company selling a new camera without a charger for half than the MSRP. They tried to force me to but the charger at the same cost it was discounted for. After about 10 calls I canceled the order. A few months later, I bought a PYLE amp. It started smoking with zero devices connected to it. I called PYLE's "Customer Support" (from their website) and it sounded like the same people with the same scams. PYLE wanted me to pay about the same price as the amp to fix it while it was still under warranty. The local electronic shop I bought it from was struggling hard so I was trying to help them out by not returning it but in the end I had to stick it back in their laps and got my money back.
Yes. the Pyle company of the 60's- to maybe the 90's was all made in the USA as far as I know. But I don't know if they sold the name to a China company or just moved the MFG to China, but I like the older stuff better. They even made the 4X10 sub woofer speaker driver back then.
7:01 I feel like I've heard those same menu sound effects in a video game before
I wish someone would backwards engineer one of these capture cards and discover an easy way to disable the HDCP garbage. Say by adding a resistor or removing one. Either in the player or the card. Maybe someone has but I've never found it.
If you use a HDMI splitter you can usually get around it.
It's not going to be so easy. Often they're based on a monitor chip and the HDCP keys are in encrypted firmware, not easy to access.
I think Macrosilicon capture/splitter chips can have HDCP configured via i2c eeprom which you can just clamp onto but then the actual HDCP keys are internal so by all reason they're going to be enabled.
Get cheap HDMI splitter, plug in source, and a TV, then plug in capture card. Bypassed
2:36 can't believe Nike made microprocessor now
That's not the Nike logo, that's just a mark on the chip, the chip itself has no logo or text printed on it at all.
If you are serious about video capture using a PCIe capture card, make sure you have multiple slots capable of at least 4x (8x or 16x would be safer)! When I was building a new system I got a prebuilt gaming computer but while it had a 16x slot for the video card, the second slot was only 2x which was too slow for the video capture card!
For the record I use an Elgato Cam Link Pro which has FOUR (4) HDMI inputs and allows you to switch between inputs...it does NOT have an output though, but I use the computer's video card for that.
(for VWestlife) As for getting around HDCP, you can use certain HDMI splitters which passes the video/audio but not the HDCP encoding so they can be captured using a capture card without issue! Search for "How To Bypass HDCP with Splitter."
But that’s a pci-e x1 card. Even if it were put in a x16 slot, it would still run at x1. PCI-e x1 Gen2 is all that is necessary.
The second chip is actually a Nike made ic. Most people don't know they make shoes as well as video capture equipment.
That's not the Nike logo, that's just a mark on the chip, the chip itself has no logo or text printed on it at all.
Great review. I was wondering if the software bundled with it has the option to capture interlaced natively instead of deinterlacing and recording a progressive scan file?
No, the ezcap software can only save video as MP4 files just like the Windows camera app, except it's limited to a maximum bitrate of only 18 Mbps.
A Pyle product that isn't a pyle of horse. Incredible!
If you need HDMI and SDI, then the Decklink Mini Recorder 4K is great. Works with most streaming software. About $300.
I just came home and now this just came out!
😄 Got a kick out of the outro
Looks like it uses a different colorspace too (less contrasty). Similar to the mismatch I see when I use any of my Elgato cards or when I set my Ninja V+ to "legalize" on its color settings.
Also, for capturing HDCP sources, you can chance it with a cheap HDMI splitter (just make sure you can figure out which PCB revision is being used prior to buying because that method depends on a function of HDCP not being properly implemented-it's difficult to ensure you get the right one because often the correct ones get nuked from orbit for legal reasons and replaced with ones that do it correctly in the eyes of the law).
You can also get some HDMI to VGA adapters that will split off stereo audio to a 1/8" plug (as well as spitting the video out over VGA), then use a VGA to HDMI adapter to cram the video and audio back together, but there is a very slight quality drop when using that method (however, it's good enough that I have been able to use that method to do VHS transfers for money-I have a VCR with a HDCP protected HDMI output and the scaler in that thing is insanely good, apparently you can do 1080p60 with a facsimile of 10-bit color over VGA).
Both methods of bypassing HDCP that I am aware of are, for different (and hopefully obvious) reasons, stupidly overcomplicated. The VGA method is also a little bit pricy (supplies will run you about $40 on eBay if you can handle waiting for shipping from China, it's probably slightly cheaper on Wish).
I adjusted the contrast in editing on the scenes showing the monitor to reduce glare. The HDMI capture is what the camcorder was actually recording, without the contrast adjustment.
Ah. With that in mind, it might be more similar to my old EasyCap capture box (that old thing records to USB flash drives, but the way it handles the signal prior to recording may be the same-I was satisfied with it until I could afford an Elgato card).
3:30 Thats the multiverse right there...
The compression is actually AVC. MP4 is just the wrapper (aka file container).
Nice bit of kit .
wow awesome, i was curious about this
Guess what? A $10 HDMI capture USB dongle from eBay will happily ignore the HDCP.
BTW, the Windows Camera App has 2 drawbacks - 1) as you shown it does not play sound in live view and 2) it stops capture as soon as it is minimized. The latter is a deal breaker for me.
I'm trying to remember the name of a video editor software I used in windows 2005-2009, it's name was 5-8 characters and it was somewhere near the letter P alphabetically.. the last time it's name came to mind the software was still available
Pinnacle?
@VWestlife that might just be it.. it gave like a contact sheet of frames where you marked beginning and end then it took the clips and compiled a video.
lol the tape tables turning looks like something you'd play over a dispadge call video on a documentery on like x-files or those cop shows
@8:35 - Reflective face reveal. It's been a LONG time since I saw your face in a video. Long time. Unless I missed more recent showings.
Vwestlife made a video sometime ago called "Coming out", where he talks about his radio station and what it's like being gay. It's one of the first videos where he sits in front of a camera, actually explaining.
@@Lively_1185 That is the video I was referring to albeit trying to use some tact. I've been watching along time.
@@TechGorilla1987 Well other than that one, I can't recall anything else.
@@Lively_1185 Excellent. I didn't mean to sound snippy. Sorry. I just didn't maybe want to bring that subject up out of respect in case it was required. Stay well!
First video i see after i wake up. and VWestlife is doing a NASA thing on me brain 😲
have to see it again when i had some coffee 😛
I kind of want to see what went wrong with the legacy IO PCIe cards that you mentioned in the beginning.
Have no experience with them and I honestly wouldn't have expected these to cause headache.
This looks identical to the ezcap323
All of pyle's capture cards look like ezcap rebrands, actually
If an HDMI splitter doesn't work, a video amplifier might. VHS copy protection usually just involves a weak sync track.
Everyone's going on about cheap HDMI splitters helping you get around HDCP. So I'm totally not going to mention that I have an Amazon Special 4-way 4K HDMI switch that is able to successfully bypass HDCP, because you already know these devices exist and I'm sure you don't need some random person telling you they work really well in-between a source and a recorder, even if you don't use the additional ports. I also would never advocate the use of such devices to make digital backup copies of PPV recordings on cable DVR boxes, hint hint.
the video info thing just shows how the windows camera app records, different recording software with different settings will give different results, the capture card doesn't "record" it just exposes the hdmi input as if it were a webcam
Kudos for pronouncing GIF correctly.
Nice vwestlife 😃
I just read the model number as "plinks"... :P
Cool piece of kit.
Mpeg4 is just the container, the video codec is AVC
The video codec is ACKCHYUALLY called H.264/MPEG-4 AVC or MPEG-4 Part 10 and he showed the container and codec, so...
@@FoxMulder78 That doesn't change the fact that codec and container are not the same thing, Mpeg4 can contain H.264, AV1, H.265, and multiple other variations on those codecs, and that's skipping over the audio codecs and other video codecs. Calling it just Mpeg4 is like saying you got "A UPS Box" when referring to a package, it tells you nothing about its contents and it's contents are ultimately unrelated to the box itself.
Looks good !!! solid product
Do you see the HDCP Protection image if you plug a monitor into the HDMI output jack when plugged into your VHS player? It's a shame that the VHS machine is built that way as there's no need to protect analog video tapes.
FWIW, I am viewing the video in "1080p60"
i have a very similar computer as yours shown in the video... its a dell optiplex 7010 with 3rd gen i5 3470 and 12gb of ddr3 ram and a cheap amd 2gb gpu...i got the pc itself for 20$ off ebay without the cpu hdd or ram and i basically built a pc from it because i had the other parts laying around from a lenovo pc that died..
If the interlaced modes are dropping every other frame, that means that resolution is also halved, isn't it ? Interlaced video sends two half frames (half resolution) at 60 fps which can then be combined to get full resolution frame at 30 fps.
Like everyone said and I'm pretty sure you are aware of it, the use a Chinese HDMI splitter can strip HDCP protection as long as it is not for commercial use, Here in the US you are allowed by law to make a backup copy of a copyrighted material that you own for personal use.
What you could try as getting an HDMI splitter run one of the outputs directly to the TV so you get the handshake for the hccp then run the other to the capture card that should work
Love you can do infinity/howl around like Dr. Who.
So...there's a Pyle product that isn't a complete pile? Wonders never cease.
Your Optiplex 3020 has *real* serial port hardware available, using the same breakout that was offered with the older BTX models.
The Macrosilicon HDMI/USB capture devices (under Linux at least) appear to satisfy all the Copy Control Crap(tm) checks. The only drawback there is that only the onboard motion JPEG compression falls within the limits of what USB 2.0 can manage while maintaining the full frame rate. (There are versions marketed as USB 3.0 devices, though the last I heard, such claims were fraudulent.)
It probably won’t work for long. I have had a Pyle tape deck… something internal failed, it would never power off and worked wrong and made a burning smell. I opened it up and nothing seemed wrong but the power supply was in a sealed soldered case so it was probably that. From less than a year of normal use. I also have a Pyle audio amplifier I’ve had for about 4 years. Works, but distorts above 50% volume, is definitely not the rated 80 watts, and has a bad fit and finish. Also every while there’s horrible distortion and interference. Keep us updated if this thing lasts
The documentation claims that it is a "UVC" compliant device (USB Video Class), which also explains why it shows up under Windows/etc. as a camera without any drivers. I'm curious if it's actually presenting itself as a USB 3.0 bus + device. I have a Magewell Pro Capture HDMI card (HDMI + analog) which is also PCIe, but it requires drivers on Windows and Linux. Although the benefit is that it allows full control and raw capture of the video and all additional metadata (like timecode data and additional info encoded into analog video) -- granted it's significantly more expensive. Main downside is that it still can't capture true interlaced video with fields -- the ASIC onboard handles deinterlacing (although you can choose between weave, blend, and a couple other types), which does a decent job. But there are better quality software deinterlacers available.
Does the capture function work under virtualdub? I tried several HDMI capture cards but most of them didn't properly support 1080i. Now I settled for a blackmagic intensity pro 4k but it has overheating issues with the stock cooling solution 🤔
I have an LG DVD recorder which is region free and it has no hdcp on it for some reason. So I run my VHS through it and it records everything that comes through it.
If you want to give it a real challenge, try using a vga to hdmi converter and see if it can capture DOS at under 640x480. That is where I have had HDMI capture devices fall short of being a 1 trick pony.
This would be an interesting double challenge too, not all VGA to HDMI converters can properly handle DOS video modes, some don't work at all, some handle it poorly, and the rest handles it fine.
It's a real minefield
I wonder if it would capture video from my cable box DVR.
How does this compare to Elgato's products?
Interesting video
i have a $10 usb 3.0 hdmi capture card and its just as good as this
I thought the USB ones can only do 1080p at 30fps, not 60.
one i have can do 1080p 60fps and 30fps and 720p 60fps and 30fps i never tried 480p/i
obs studio & streamlabs do have 480p option
thats a great card.....
What kind of VCR has a HDMI output? I've never heard of any that had one before, this is surreal to me
with the amount of comments that suggest the cheap hdmi splitter that strip hdcp
could you please do a follow-up? :)
The copy protection used to be easy to get around just by using a HDMI splitter. worked for years but I was watching something on Roku box. RAV War Room and suddenly I noticed no sound.. Turned the channel on the Roku box and everything worked fine. I took the splitter off and ran it direct to the TV and it worked fine. So the splitter may work on some things but not everything. You might try that and see what you get. If it works do not make a video about it or they will shut it down. Oh ya I edit this video to say I was not recording anything due to there is not really any thing on TV worth recording. Most stuff I could down load directly from UA-cam anyway with no hardware.
That’s not the correct NTSC framerate, it should be 60000/1001. That could cause issues if you are editing footage from this card together with footage from another device, or with the more professional switching software packages.
Perfectly fine for something like OBS streaming though, though cheap capture cards tend to burn out very quickly!
you could get an hdmi to component then a component to hdmi to get around the hdcp protection, that how i got around it. im also using a Pyle PVRC52.5
A shame that hardware being released these days is not backwards compatible with Windows XP.
Why should it be?
Well, that new PCI Express serial and parallel port card I showed at the beginning came with drivers (on a 3" CD) for Windows versions all the way back to Windows 2000, but none of them worked in Windows 10.
Hey that's my favorite song at 0:08
Cassette deck sounds at 0:09
Note to self: set my desktop to play Money for Nothing when a blue screen appears
you may have to get a cheap hub, splitter or even remuxing box to decrypt the hdcp.
actually i doubt it is decrypting it is telling the device it does not support hdcp so it will give you an unprotected signal.
you can get a hdfury witch strips the protection by the fact it uses the same chips as a tv would have so the to the dvd player it looks like a tv and then converts to analog component video.
then use a component video to hdmi digitizer to get the video back to digital.
for dvds and bluray you can get ripping software if you need clips.
if the vhs outputs analog then you maybe able use a digitizer.
Question: how do you (or have you) digitized from VHS and 8mm?
Right now I've got an old PCIe card with RF and svideo as video inputs. in the past, I used RF for VHS and of course svid for 8mm. I want to redo the VHS tapes with svid, so I got a composite video to svid adapter (just so I can output from the VCR using composite, to be at least a bit better than RF capture). have you had any experience with adapters like that? I didn't see any degradation from using it compared to composite direct to the TV so I think it may work for me.
the other big question is software to use and how to get it deinterlaced. I used to use Windows Media Center unofficially installed on w10 for VHS, but I'm sure there are better solutions out there. 8mm I used OBS studio, which didn't deinterlace at all. I have to either redo all of those or try to use software to render them again with a deinterlace filter... sorry for the rambling, just looking for any suggestions or whatever. my VCR is a JVC HR-VP780U so I think it's decent enough, would rather not look for another VCR to do HDMI out. Maybe Composite to HDMI adapter, into my HD60 HDMI capture card instead? i don't really even know where to start looking for solutions since it can be very technical and not every card works with every software and there can be all kinds of issues
I would have totally blurred out that serial number for the capture program..