Imagine not commenting: ""“Minecraft" "ASMR" "pewdiepie" "music" "Fortnite" "markiplier" “UA-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.” "Runescape" "World of Warcraft" "Shadowlands" "Dream" "MrBeast" "Warzone" "FaZe Clan" "100 Thieves" "Call of Duty" "Pokemon" "Pokemon cards" "card unboxing" "Charizard" "they don't want you to know" "Flat earth" "round earth" "triangle earth" "the earth is not earth" "what even is earth if not earth omg government is lying to you" "Minecraft" "ASMR" "pewdiepie" "music" "Fortnite" "markiplier" “UA-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.” "Runescape" "World of Warcraft" "music" "dj" "love" "rap" rapmusic" "rapper"
I have heard that the issue with putting HDMI devices in series might also have to do with issues with the return channel that would tell the computer what resolutions it is capable of displaying and other complications from the hot plug capabilities
This is called edid. So between devices you need a edid hand shake so the more devices in line you put the more hops that needs to take. Some will emulate, some with have there own, and some will pass through.
@@jenton93 And depending on your setup some are built to split so one output shows 1080p at 60fps while the other output uses 4k at 60fps allowing you to scale to match a device. Had to do that to record through an elgato hd60s at different resolutions while outputting only at max resolution (mainly for 4K) to the tv through the splitter. Finding one that actually works for a good recording setup with varying resolutions being used is a huge pain in the ass. The one I found had to basically have a dip switch so you can adjust either side as needed.
Hey I'm pretty late so thought a new comment would go unnoticed. In chemical reactions, a series of reactions is only as fast as it's slowest step; as no matter how fast the other reactions complete, until the slowest one does, the reaction dosen't complete. I think (guessing) that a similar principle could apply when we daisy chained these devices, and the total input lag was the same as the slowest of the bunch.
UA-cam be like: oh you don't need subtitles? We have activated them anyway. Oh now you need subtitles because you have no headphones but u want to know what they're talking about? Sadly we don't have them.
it depends on what technology of ethernet ones you use. HDbase-t ads a little bit of latency. the cheap copies of hdbase-t ads a lot of latency. expensive av over IP very little latency cheap hd264 compression or similar ads a lot of latency.
@@emeraldbonsai no as a AV system engineer i use hdmi extension over ip all the time. It’s very good when a client already has the Ethernet infrastructure built and it’s not up to spec for 4K over hdbaseT. But essentially it’s a encoder and a decoder but it’s common to use it for extensions and/or as a matrix. The expensive systems use a low latency jpg2000 compression and some of the are used in esports
@@TheGaggenau Yes if it's re-encoding anything it's going to add a lot. Lossless ones need more bandwidth, but other than that it's faster, because they aren't changing anything.
I guess this is a better title than the Floatplane video, as you're half-testing added render latency (w/ the capture cards in a single PC configuration) and half-testing pass-through latency with the sound bar. Your existing Leo Bodnar tester would provide far more accurate results actually testing added input latency for passthrough devices like the sound bar anyway.
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I'd like to see a windows vs linux vs macOS latency test!
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Untested guess, but based on the knowledge of each of their kernels and how they behave for other real-time stuff like delays in audio processing, it would probably be something like this: 1- macOS (best, lowest latency OS and one of the reasons so many music producers and DJs use it, maybe a tie with 2nd) 2- Linux with a real time kernel (maybe a tie with 1st) 3- Normal Linux (with a normal kernel) 4- Windows (not a real-time OS at all, not by default at least) Just a guess tho, would love to see a video on it too
@ Real time OSs are not at all comparable to the others, they are called like that because some processes can just stop everything when an interrupt signal acts for example, making the latency on the range of microseconds, which is very important for robots, airplanes, satellites and thinks like that. Any kind of RTOS would trump macOS, Linux or Windows and programs written for one kind of OS are incompatible with the other without some heavy modification.
electronically the capture cards with a pass through are basically the same thing as an HDMI splitter EDIT: *should be* the results with the 4k60 Pro suggest they can screw it up
Agree. Especially if it was a really simple splitter that just forwarded the HDMI essential signals (clock and the three image channels) without any complex processing, I would just assume a few get a few ns in additional delay from the RTL logic. All these devices adding many ms delay clearly are doing something weird, that’s not some simple electrical thing or a few internal cycles in RTL logic. So my somewhat educated guess is that the most basic splitter with fewest features is most likely have the least delay. Output_a = Input, Output_b = input just should not add weird measurable delays. Linus idea about it being related to devices doing HDCP processing might be correct. Could also be something like a device wanting to buffer entire frames and never transmit a broken frame, that would add ~ 1 frame delay in processing.
@@Topside08 Yep. In theory anything with a passthrough should be exactly as if it were just a passive (dunno if possible to passively split HDMI) splitter. Thats why I think it would have been great to see a super simple one without any processing added in, it would be the 'fastest' way of getting the signal into the devices.
I think the problem is that HDMI involves two way communication. That's how your computer knows the resolution of whatever monitor you've plugged it into. HDMI doesn't support 3 way communication, so it just wouldn't work with a passive splitter. You need an active splitter that basically acts as a router to keep the communication coherent.
This is fascinating, I've been using the elgato 4k60pro mk.2 for capture for a long time now. I'd love to see a version of this testing where you compare the newer version of the capture card in both passthrough vs. duplicated monitor mode to see if there's a difference between them with latency!
Yeah but the audience is still most of the world. As far as marketing goes, it still makes business sense because this video reached billions outside of Canada.
@lucky m3x I'm sure there's a fair number in Europe as well, but you probably wouldn't be wrong the majority may be in the US. still doesn't disprove my point. their goal is to market to potential buyers. even utilizing a Canadian youtuber accomplishes that when its someone with a large audience.
my av receiver is old enough to not have an hdmi connection at all, so I have to use a little box which splits out the audio so i can feed it to the receiver.
@@michamiek1367 They pretty much exploit the algorithm, there is an initial title, which is to send subscribers notifications, then a title which gets picked up by youtube and recommended to others, since pretty much the whole fate of a video is decided within the first hour or so, they more people click and watch the video in the first hour, the greater the chance of youtube recommending it to people later on, after the initial hype dies, they change the title again for a much more long term one, like the one which gives you a general idea of what might be in the video, so that the algorithm plays well with the new title in the long term, since youtube is an evergreen platform
At least there were no claims of negative latency. I suspect they can claim "no latency" as long as it's under some threshold, just like "0g sugar" only means less than 0.5g
@@wilson.5420 did you even watch veritasium's video all the way through? he was only talking about the one way speed of light, and to our current knowledge, differing 1 way speeds of light are indistinguishable from the 1 way speed of light being equal to the round trip speed of light.
@@leozardo7186 so what? still doesn't change the fact that nothing can travel faster than light, at least based on our current understanding of science. and electrical signals certainly travel slower than light.
Great video! Something else that’s important that you all didn’t cover is how linking through devices affects display/audio settings. I my experience, HDR, VRR on displays that support it, color bit depth, audio sampling settings, etc., can all be impacted in weird ways. It would have been interesting to note some of effects.
THANK YOU !!!!!!! I almost sold my sony STR-DN1080 ... because of some feeling of something added lag and suspicion but happy to see this and very proud to own one, and have been expieriencin good quality passtrough with HDR and 4k upscale.. soo yeah ! GOOD JOB. But I would have liked more information about especially from this sony device , because it has allkinds of awesome other applications wifi, spotify, bluetooth two zone music ETC. ..........and it is actually really affordable and goooooooood sounding device that can be applied to multiple things and is very userfriendly.
The """""zero passthrough"""" USB Elgato cards have to add input lag, they mildly mess with colors with the passthrough they have to be doing some weird processing in the background
@@TheGaggenau I used to use an HDMI splitter to record my PS4 back when it didn't have an option to turn off HDCP early on. (It was a weird thing for sure). I wish they would have tested an HDMI splitter/switching device because that might be a good option for people who want to record and have a low latency option. I also have the HD60 pro (pcie 1080/60fps) model and I wish they could have tested that. Makes me wonder if the pcie capture card results are because it was 4k/60 model or just because of the interface difference.
@@Colty0 I was thinking the same thing. If they didn't want input lag, why not use an HDMI splitter? I could probably design a circuit that has lower latency than theirs!
@@Colty0 as a general rule, HDMI switches and splitters should not introduce more than a few milliseconds of lag, since they are pretty much doing nothing more than regenerating (boosting) the HDMI signal.
@@techgeeknzl nope new signal cause of the way HDMI hand shakes work a packet to each device is different once it leaves the splitter and wouldn't work on the other, a least in spec from what I understand.
In all fairness, it's only THAT AV receiver, other models/brands might actually add more latency. This was a limited test and should definitely not be used to generalize over everything that exists or what we might have at home.
Hi, the “handshake” issue you’re talking about is one that I’ve come across quite a few times, it’s an EDID mis-match, you can get a universal EDID “translator” for a fair price, it’s not a common issue, but it comes up a surprising amount in my line of work, it’s basically the way that a display device tells your source what its capabilities are, and when you pass through multiple devices it can get “left behind” of if they don’t all have one common way of communication then the entire system collapses, that’s why it can work fine with each item individually, but not all at once. This is a very simple explanation, but let’s say your screen and PC can both communicate using EDID protocols 1-10, and one of your pass through devices can communicate in protocols 1-5, and the other can communicate in protocols 6-10, both devices will work individually as there’s a common protocol from display to source, but if you try to use both the display communicates (via the first device) in a protocol that the second device can’t understand, so the EDID never makes it to the source and the source doesn’t know how to transmit, this normally results in a loss of signal, but sometimes can result in the communication being limited to early display types so your source will think it’s limited to old aspect ratios, or the wrong refresh rate, or lower resolutions.
It would be neat to test a variety of home theater receivers and see if there are any particularly good or bad models. I am honestly surprised that the Sony did so well considering Sony receivers are on the low end of AVRs.
I appreciate Vizio for being an American company making TV's in such a heavily saturated market. So much so I've ignored my Vizio 32" from like 2014 making ocean noises for the first 20 seconds when you turn it on.
today is my birthday and thank you for making great videos even though I just started watching you guys. Thank you for giving me a great vision of future. Maybe one day I will be able to see it.
i wouldn't say that his employees are "specialists" in their fields. They also only have around 7 or 8 sponsors total at any point in the year. He should have said "not my job" as he is the CEO not the hardware guy which should know what does what and why.
All the companies do everything to reduce costs of each TVs. They're not even putting headphone/RCA outs anymore (too much trouble adding a D/A converter). Not to mention HDMI out... Lots of professional/business grade TVs have output/linking feature because they know the customers dont care about price.
an HDCP problem is usually when you can see the image for a couple of seconds when connecting the cable and then it goes black or green/purple. not getting any picture at all or if it's flickering it's often an issue with signal strength or edid. lowering the resolution and you get a stable image indicates that.
Thank you LTT for changing the aspect ratio by a couple of pixels so that I don’t notice the notch on my iPhone 12 mini. Such a minor change but it makes viewing the videos so much nicer.
I wouldn't worry about any latency introduced by your USB hub, unless it is also carrying your network and video signals. USB (and other networking devices) have latencies measured in microseconds.
I would always recommend people using a cap card to duplicate their output. 1 cable out to cap card, 1 cable out to monitor. It'll still work perfectly and you're not then gaming through the cap card.
As anyone who has an HDTV and home theater sound knows, the video ALWAYS lags behind the sound, which is why most AV receivers let you purposely delay the sound (x number of milliseconds) to match the video. It really becomes obvious when watching a concert and the drummer's movements are out of sync with the sound. The video signal simply takes longer to process (inside the graphics card and/or inside the TV/monitor), than the audio. As for applying this to gaming, doesn't everyone has the same problem on their end, all getting the same lag? So aren't we all on equal footing as far as video lag goes, (discounting monitors with a higher refresh rate, but still have video lag).
So it's impossible to use a PC or console for anything but play a competitive game? I thought they could, well, play media and stuff too when not playing games.
It's just the intro tag for one of the laptop videos. Not sure which one at a glance, but it may have been the recent one where they added thermal pads to the MacBook air and the bottom heated up a bunch.
At 4:35 the audio crackle from Linus' mic sounds like wireless interference. You might want to re coordinate the frequencies used for the wireless gear.
the final delay is the sum of all devices delay. hdcp doesn't add significant delay, as the key exchange is done on startup. it is a source of things not working properly though.
It would’ve been interesting to test out simple HDMI switches and splitters. Maybe if there’s a low (no?) latency splitter, the second output can go to any other necessary equipment, like a capture card or whatever
I think its probably because PCI-E card is relying on computer calculation power to capture the signal and process it, the external card may use some other procesor to do it co connecting it in series would add only these 3 ms of external card and that checks out. As well the processor of soundbar can be just slower so you have similar latency as 4k60 card. Regarding your questions with HDCP- have you checked if capture cards give back any video signal? If they dont they can just pass the signal along so no additional dealy i created: just soundbar and AVR are adding which may check out.
I can see that the Northern Lights desk mat has been tested to withstand a television sitting on it. Will be very handy for when they come back in stock.
Written before the test. I think the low latency is made, bay splitting the hdmi cable in two Strangs. On is captured and one is directly connected to the output.
I wouldn't expect a receiver to add much if any latency, all it's doing it splitting the signal; part goes into the sound processing, and the other part just goes straight to the output HDMI cable to the TV. Unless your receiver is doing some sort of video up-scaling or enhancements, then it should be almost exactly the same latency and a straight run. It's the same as splitting an HDMI cable into two, it's the same speed, just going to two different places.
but is it a mayonnaise cooled PC? IS IT?
Bro it's Boris
Yes
Did not watch the new video but nice to see you here 😂😂
IISS BORIS
Oof
Thanks for the shout out!
You guys are the tits tho, please keep up the amazing work. I recommend yall to all my friends for TVs and lately for headphones too. ❤️
@@manjyot818 typo? Are the what now
@@manjyot818 ayo?
Imagine not commenting: ""“Minecraft" "ASMR" "pewdiepie" "music" "Fortnite" "markiplier" “UA-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.” "Runescape" "World of Warcraft" "Shadowlands" "Dream" "MrBeast" "Warzone" "FaZe Clan" "100 Thieves" "Call of Duty" "Pokemon" "Pokemon cards" "card unboxing" "Charizard" "they don't want you to know" "Flat earth" "round earth" "triangle earth" "the earth is not earth" "what even is earth if not earth omg government is lying to you" "Minecraft" "ASMR" "pewdiepie" "music" "Fortnite" "markiplier" “UA-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.” "Runescape" "World of Warcraft" "music" "dj" "love" "rap" rapmusic" "rapper"
@ZeroV lol I saw u on anime king
I have heard that the issue with putting HDMI devices in series might also have to do with issues with the return channel that would tell the computer what resolutions it is capable of displaying and other complications from the hot plug capabilities
This is called edid. So between devices you need a edid hand shake so the more devices in line you put the more hops that needs to take. Some will emulate, some with have there own, and some will pass through.
@@jenton93 And depending on your setup some are built to split so one output shows 1080p at 60fps while the other output uses 4k at 60fps allowing you to scale to match a device. Had to do that to record through an elgato hd60s at different resolutions while outputting only at max resolution (mainly for 4K) to the tv through the splitter. Finding one that actually works for a good recording setup with varying resolutions being used is a huge pain in the ass. The one I found had to basically have a dip switch so you can adjust either side as needed.
When you find a kid who goes to your school in the comment section...
there is no return channel it's called edid.
Hey I'm pretty late so thought a new comment would go unnoticed. In chemical reactions, a series of reactions is only as fast as it's slowest step; as no matter how fast the other reactions complete, until the slowest one does, the reaction dosen't complete. I think (guessing) that a similar principle could apply when we daisy chained these devices, and the total input lag was the same as the slowest of the bunch.
06:18 "when the product page doesn't claim any kind of gaming or latancy optimization at all"
SONY: *write that down.....WRITE THAT DOWN!!!*
UA-cam be like: oh you don't need subtitles? We have activated them anyway.
Oh now you need subtitles because you have no headphones but u want to know what they're talking about? Sadly we don't have them.
UA-cam: Oh you like the custom subtitle by community. Well, we completely disable them now, so now you can't understand foreign languages youtuber.
UA-cam sucks in the last weeks ..autoplay preview annoying.. way more aggressive ads
@@MrRobsn89 ublock origin: what's the ad?
Also youtube: "here's an ad to a random mobile game in taiwanese european guy(me)"
But there is subtitles
"Director - Who Dat?"
Oooooooooohhhhh we have a new employee on probation!
Yeah most probably. That or they're just trolling around :P
Writer is also who dat but Linus said that he is the one to put in “DHCP” instead of “HDCP”
I really hope they're talking about Madison
@@snjert8406 Madison wont be a writer or director tho
@@snjert8406 The script didn't use the word "poggers" even once, so Madison definitely didn't write this.
I would love to see this with hdmi extensions, like ethernet ones, or wireless.
Wireless for suuureee would add some time.
it depends on what technology of ethernet ones you use. HDbase-t ads a little bit of latency. the cheap copies of hdbase-t ads a lot of latency. expensive av over IP very little latency cheap hd264 compression or similar ads a lot of latency.
@@emeraldbonsai no as a AV system engineer i use hdmi extension over ip all the time. It’s very good when a client already has the Ethernet infrastructure built and it’s not up to spec for 4K over hdbaseT. But essentially it’s a encoder and a decoder but it’s common to use it for extensions and/or as a matrix. The expensive systems use a low latency jpg2000 compression and some of the are used in esports
I really.. really hope nobody out there is playing any sort of game over a wireless HDMI extender.
@@TheGaggenau Yes if it's re-encoding anything it's going to add a lot.
Lossless ones need more bandwidth, but other than that it's faster, because they aren't changing anything.
Last time I was this early
Mayonnaise thermal paste wasn't a thing
Life of boris!!!
Hopefully it still isn’t
Lol I get the reference
Lol
@@thedislikebutton101 TOO BAD, Boris did it earlier today.
I guess this is a better title than the Floatplane video, as you're half-testing added render latency (w/ the capture cards in a single PC configuration) and half-testing pass-through latency with the sound bar. Your existing Leo Bodnar tester would provide far more accurate results actually testing added input latency for passthrough devices like the sound bar anyway.
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I thought the video would be about AVR receivers finally receiving full 48 Gbps HDMI 2.1 ports, lol.
@@Nitrez your videos are useless and cringe, and you know that. Please stop
I'd like to see a windows vs linux vs macOS latency test!
Untested guess, but based on the knowledge of each of their kernels and how they behave for other real-time stuff like delays in audio processing, it would probably be something like this:
1- macOS (best, lowest latency OS and one of the reasons so many music producers and DJs use it, maybe a tie with 2nd)
2- Linux with a real time kernel (maybe a tie with 1st)
3- Normal Linux (with a normal kernel)
4- Windows (not a real-time OS at all, not by default at least)
Just a guess tho, would love to see a video on it too
@ for gaming I guess it would also depend on directx compatibility layers etc
@ Real time OSs are not at all comparable to the others, they are called like that because some processes can just stop everything when an interrupt signal acts for example, making the latency on the range of microseconds, which is very important for robots, airplanes, satellites and thinks like that. Any kind of RTOS would trump macOS, Linux or Windows and programs written for one kind of OS are incompatible with the other without some heavy modification.
Really good idea, but the nvidia software they use must not work on Linux and MacOS, if I had to guess...
I expected the receiver to be highest. It probably depends on what image processing functions you enable and what chip it uses for that
That moment when a "gaming" device that advertises zero latency performs worse than an AV receiver, which doesn't.
Would've loved to see using a HDMI splitter into the devices. Maybe that would result in truly 0 latency?
electronically the capture cards with a pass through are basically the same thing as an HDMI splitter
EDIT: *should be* the results with the 4k60 Pro suggest they can screw it up
Agree. Especially if it was a really simple splitter that just forwarded the HDMI essential signals (clock and the three image channels) without any complex processing, I would just assume a few get a few ns in additional delay from the RTL logic. All these devices adding many ms delay clearly are doing something weird, that’s not some simple electrical thing or a few internal cycles in RTL logic.
So my somewhat educated guess is that the most basic splitter with fewest features is most likely have the least delay. Output_a = Input, Output_b = input just should not add weird measurable delays.
Linus idea about it being related to devices doing HDCP processing might be correct. Could also be something like a device wanting to buffer entire frames and never transmit a broken frame, that would add ~ 1 frame delay in processing.
@@Topside08 Yep. In theory anything with a passthrough should be exactly as if it were just a passive (dunno if possible to passively split HDMI) splitter.
Thats why I think it would have been great to see a super simple one without any processing added in, it would be the 'fastest' way of getting the signal into the devices.
@@Topside08 Maybe the internal capture card uses some system resources that cause the lag?
I think the problem is that HDMI involves two way communication. That's how your computer knows the resolution of whatever monitor you've plugged it into. HDMI doesn't support 3 way communication, so it just wouldn't work with a passive splitter. You need an active splitter that basically acts as a router to keep the communication coherent.
"even if you cant feel the latency, your brain can" hmm
Sounds like a popular Plinkett quote: You might not've noticed, but your brain did.
Human brain small,return to monke Brain
I mean it's true like it feels slightly off
You can unconsciously perceive things.
If you wanna get the lowest latency you just remove you brain! No more latency.
4:29 Spawn and hands crossing in sync is so damn satisfying xD
This is fascinating, I've been using the elgato 4k60pro mk.2 for capture for a long time now. I'd love to see a version of this testing where you compare the newer version of the capture card in both passthrough vs. duplicated monitor mode to see if there's a difference between them with latency!
Leave it Linus to find the absolute limits of tech...and to drop everything.
1:13
"You didn't notice it, but your brain did." - Mr. Plinkett
AHAHAHA SO FUNNY BRO
"Oh nice he is dead look at that."
- Linus when he did his first kill
Shout out to Vizio leaving Canada, then having a Canadian UA-camr review their product.
because LoGiC haha
Yeah but the audience is still most of the world. As far as marketing goes, it still makes business sense because this video reached billions outside of Canada.
@lucky m3x I'm sure there's a fair number in Europe as well, but you probably wouldn't be wrong the majority may be in the US. still doesn't disprove my point. their goal is to market to potential buyers. even utilizing a Canadian youtuber accomplishes that when its someone with a large audience.
They don't do anything in the asia pacific either....
*Looks at A/V Receiver used for testing*
Hey... that looks familiar...
*Looks down at 4 year old A/V receiver*
Oh shi... you a good boy!
my av receiver is old enough to not have an hdmi connection at all, so I have to use a little box which splits out the audio so i can feed it to the receiver.
Sony for the win!!!
I like how linus literally mentions his own typo in the script
but the "writer" credit is "who dis?"
Original title:
Is your setup laggier than it needs to be?
lol they changed it really quickly
New Title:
We can FINALLY Test This!!
@@STORMFIRE07 whats up with all the title changing?
@@michamiek1367 they need that algorithm burn lol
@@michamiek1367 They pretty much exploit the algorithm, there is an initial title, which is to send subscribers notifications, then a title which gets picked up by youtube and recommended to others, since pretty much the whole fate of a video is decided within the first hour or so, they more people click and watch the video in the first hour, the greater the chance of youtube recommending it to people later on, after the initial hype dies, they change the title again for a much more long term one, like the one which gives you a general idea of what might be in the video, so that the algorithm plays well with the new title in the long term, since youtube is an evergreen platform
Wow, thats a much better title. I didn't even know what this was about.
"You didn't notice higher refresh rates, but your brain did" -Mike Stoklasa/Plinkett (probably, maybe)
Unexpected RLM!
Is Linus replacing Jay Bauman?
At least there were no claims of negative latency.
I suspect they can claim "no latency" as long as it's under some threshold, just like "0g sugar" only means less than 0.5g
This ultra-low lag input seems very useful for VR to just reduce headaches for more sensible people.
6:35 I want a compilation of all kinds of editor jokes/spoofs like this
Agree
why not more ppl saw that
was that an edit. i thought they were real moths
Dynamic Host Confusion Protocol
Can james say "a short cut to the chum bucket" the next video he is on
4:53 I wonder if consoles, which have leaner software stacks, would also have lower system latency. Interesting concept for a video.
"Nothing was zero latency"
Well, of course. The speed of light is a finite number.
Or is it? Veritasium did a video about why the speed of light actually can't be measured! ua-cam.com/video/pTn6Ewhb27k/v-deo.html
@@wilson.5420 well actually even our eyes have latency, from the light to the eyes and from the eyes to the brain aka occipital lobe
@@wilson.5420 did you even watch veritasium's video all the way through? he was only talking about the one way speed of light, and to our current knowledge, differing 1 way speeds of light are indistinguishable from the 1 way speed of light being equal to the round trip speed of light.
HDMI doesn't use light...it's not fiber optic.
@@leozardo7186 so what? still doesn't change the fact that nothing can travel faster than light, at least based on our current understanding of science. and electrical signals certainly travel slower than light.
6:38 what's the deal with the bees?
Swear to god was wearing headphones and shat myself
Great video! Something else that’s important that you all didn’t cover is how linking through devices affects display/audio settings. I my experience, HDR, VRR on displays that support it, color bit depth, audio sampling settings, etc., can all be impacted in weird ways. It would have been interesting to note some of effects.
The problem is that Linus ain't a Television professional calibrator.
3:55 head editor: “fuck it dude”
The audio glitch?
@@thomasphillips885 yes lol
1:27 when your TV is so big you can use it as a background instead of a green screen, lol!
(they'd just needed to frame the shot better)
THANK YOU !!!!!!! I almost sold my sony STR-DN1080 ... because of some feeling of something added lag and suspicion but happy to see this and very proud to own one, and have been expieriencin good quality passtrough with HDR and 4k upscale.. soo yeah ! GOOD JOB.
But I would have liked more information about especially from this sony device , because it has allkinds of awesome other applications wifi, spotify, bluetooth two zone music ETC.
..........and it is actually really affordable and goooooooood sounding device that can be applied to multiple things and is very userfriendly.
That was 2019?? Where has all the time gone
Corona
All of the time went into 2020.
This is how you do sponsored content!
Keep up the good work guys👍
6:36 can someone explain what happened here
Same
Busy bees?
Seriously what is going on
I literally had to rewind and watch it again after saying "what the fuck?" lol
Yeah!! What was that?🤣🤣
While playing on Retropie, remember to activate Run Ahead to remove the "thinking" frame delay from old games. This will improve the latency a lot.
man linus i love these kind of videos, please never stop. i always watch them before going to bed
8:00 I thought it was abbreviated S.H.I.T.
The """""zero passthrough"""" USB Elgato cards have to add input lag, they mildly mess with colors with the passthrough they have to be doing some weird processing in the background
of course, they do, they can't work if it's a true passthrough.
@@TheGaggenau I used to use an HDMI splitter to record my PS4 back when it didn't have an option to turn off HDCP early on. (It was a weird thing for sure). I wish they would have tested an HDMI splitter/switching device because that might be a good option for people who want to record and have a low latency option. I also have the HD60 pro (pcie 1080/60fps) model and I wish they could have tested that. Makes me wonder if the pcie capture card results are because it was 4k/60 model or just because of the interface difference.
@@Colty0 I was thinking the same thing. If they didn't want input lag, why not use an HDMI splitter? I could probably design a circuit that has lower latency than theirs!
@@Colty0 as a general rule, HDMI switches and splitters should not introduce more than a few milliseconds of lag, since they are pretty much doing nothing more than regenerating (boosting) the HDMI signal.
@@techgeeknzl nope new signal cause of the way HDMI hand shakes work a packet to each device is different once it leaves the splitter and wouldn't work on the other, a least in spec from what I understand.
the audio was struggling with this video
I’m really surprised the AV receiver was the lowest latency device. I thought for sure that would have the most latency
In all fairness, it's only THAT AV receiver, other models/brands might actually add more latency. This was a limited test and should definitely not be used to generalize over everything that exists or what we might have at home.
@@Abbysion Notice how I didn't say ALL AV receivers, and never generalized anything. It just surprised me that it had the lowest latency.
You need to do more latency test like this since they're so rare to find
Sponsored by a TV brand no longer available in Canada. Nice!
Hi, the “handshake” issue you’re talking about is one that I’ve come across quite a few times, it’s an EDID mis-match, you can get a universal EDID “translator” for a fair price, it’s not a common issue, but it comes up a surprising amount in my line of work, it’s basically the way that a display device tells your source what its capabilities are, and when you pass through multiple devices it can get “left behind” of if they don’t all have one common way of communication then the entire system collapses, that’s why it can work fine with each item individually, but not all at once. This is a very simple explanation, but let’s say your screen and PC can both communicate using EDID protocols 1-10, and one of your pass through devices can communicate in protocols 1-5, and the other can communicate in protocols 6-10, both devices will work individually as there’s a common protocol from display to source, but if you try to use both the display communicates (via the first device) in a protocol that the second device can’t understand, so the EDID never makes it to the source and the source doesn’t know how to transmit, this normally results in a loss of signal, but sometimes can result in the communication being limited to early display types so your source will think it’s limited to old aspect ratios, or the wrong refresh rate, or lower resolutions.
really interesting to see the amount of research goes behind a short video like this, happy to be a subscriber! Thank you LTT.
It would be neat to test a variety of home theater receivers and see if there are any particularly good or bad models. I am honestly surprised that the Sony did so well considering Sony receivers are on the low end of AVRs.
The next step is to measure audio latency from the sound bar (just an idea) :)
6:36 what is up with the bees? 😂😂
I'm here in the comments to figure out what the hell that was all about! LOL!
3:06 and I thought that was a wallpaper cleverly put for the video.
I appreciate Vizio for being an American company making TV's in such a heavily saturated market. So much so I've ignored my Vizio 32" from like 2014 making ocean noises for the first 20 seconds when you turn it on.
today is my birthday and thank you for making great videos even though I just started watching you guys. Thank you for giving me a great vision of future. Maybe one day I will be able to see it.
“That’s above my pay grade”
-is a multi-multi millionaire running a multi million dollar multimedia conglomerate with tons of sponsors and specialists
i wouldn't say that his employees are "specialists" in their fields. They also only have around 7 or 8 sponsors total at any point in the year. He should have said "not my job" as he is the CEO not the hardware guy which should know what does what and why.
Day 14 of asking Learn Linux with Anthony Series 😅
Just watch a bash tutorial video lol.
Also asking for a Learn Linux with Anthony series
Heck why not an entire dedicated channel at this point
Honestly I think Anthony should join Linus on the WAN show. He'd be able to add a lot more from a technical view point than Luke.
I'd watch that even knowing alot about it already lol.
Linux is boring. Less than 1% of gamers are interested in Linux.
TVs and monitors should have HDMI outputs, like some older TVs had RCA outs.
All the companies do everything to reduce costs of each TVs. They're not even putting headphone/RCA outs anymore (too much trouble adding a D/A converter). Not to mention HDMI out... Lots of professional/business grade TVs have output/linking feature because they know the customers dont care about price.
an HDCP problem is usually when you can see the image for a couple of seconds when connecting the cable and then it goes black or green/purple. not getting any picture at all or if it's flickering it's often an issue with signal strength or edid. lowering the resolution and you get a stable image indicates that.
Thank you LTT for changing the aspect ratio by a couple of pixels so that I don’t notice the notch on my iPhone 12 mini. Such a minor change but it makes viewing the videos so much nicer.
"In this video, sponsored by vizio" damn linus I know you look like eminem but I didn't knew you can rap like him
6:36 that legitimately creeped me out
i’m still trying to figure out wtf those were
I had to rewind and check it too lol
Yes! I was just wondering if i was the only one who saw them. Is Linus switching over to another profession?
Could you do somthing similar with usb hubs? I still don't know if a hub will hurt my input latency :D
I wouldn't worry about any latency introduced by your USB hub, unless it is also carrying your network and video signals. USB (and other networking devices) have latencies measured in microseconds.
I would always recommend people using a cap card to duplicate their output. 1 cable out to cap card, 1 cable out to monitor. It'll still work perfectly and you're not then gaming through the cap card.
As anyone who has an HDTV and home theater sound knows, the video ALWAYS lags behind the sound, which is why most AV receivers let you purposely delay the sound (x number of milliseconds) to match the video. It really becomes obvious when watching a concert and the drummer's movements are out of sync with the sound. The video signal simply takes longer to process (inside the graphics card and/or inside the TV/monitor), than the audio.
As for applying this to gaming, doesn't everyone has the same problem on their end, all getting the same lag? So aren't we all on equal footing as far as video lag goes, (discounting monitors with a higher refresh rate, but still have video lag).
0:23 thought linus dropped the tv giving it a big ass crack
I thought it was cracked 😂😅
For the competitive gamers using a soundbar:
Oh wait no one is here
So it's impossible to use a PC or console for anything but play a competitive game? I thought they could, well, play media and stuff too when not playing games.
@@StrangelyIronic Or you could have your competitive games, but also enjoy some God of War, Control or something along those lines.
@@StrangelyIronic they were talking about competitive gaming with the soundbar, hence the joke... also it was a joke :)
Ah yes. High Definition Content Protection, or "S-H-I-T" for short.
Haha. Short
Have you done any testing on overall latency impact when you change resolution and refresh rate? That could make an interesting video..
I bought this TV a month ago and it's a very strong recommend. Way better than the LG one I bought brand new in 2018
6:37
Wha- Why the bees?
I need this in my life!😯
Me to
so that i can sell it and buy a moderate pc kit
So we’re just gonna ignore the “hot thighs” caption?
It's just the intro tag for one of the laptop videos. Not sure which one at a glance, but it may have been the recent one where they added thermal pads to the MacBook air and the bottom heated up a bunch.
@@randxalthor Yeah, it was the MacBook Air mod video.
Yes, because we don’t follow memes.
I just want to say the LMG editors are really fantastic.
At 4:35 the audio crackle from Linus' mic sounds like wireless interference. You might want to re coordinate the frequencies used for the wireless gear.
The fact that the analog telephone never was tested makes me mad.
Virtual hugs to early squad
And thanks to you for giving me virtual Corona
this is the video i needed lol
the final delay is the sum of all devices delay.
hdcp doesn't add significant delay, as the key exchange is done on startup.
it is a source of things not working properly though.
It would’ve been interesting to test out simple HDMI switches and splitters. Maybe if there’s a low (no?) latency splitter, the second output can go to any other necessary equipment, like a capture card or whatever
i never knew there was a script now i can’t stop looking at his eyes lol
Vizio: How big of a TV do you want us to send you?
LInus: Yes
Linus: "devices like this, this and this"
Me: "devices like Doug [deMuro], Doug, and Doug"
I was excited about this video. Yes you did show info about latency but I really was hoping you'd show how you hooked (wired) each device.
The exact reciver I have. But I have always gone console/pc to TV, eARC to AV Receiver. Best setup IMO.
"Let's buy a Visio!" Said no one ever 🤣
Depends, if their oled released in Canada I would have
Yeah Microsoft Visio sucks. But Vizio on the other hand is decent.
6:38 what are those
Effects
Thank you, I thought I'd had a stroke. Why, what, why????
"Lester" from GTA V committed suicide after hearing his name to be misread as "LOSER"
I think its probably because PCI-E card is relying on computer calculation power to capture the signal and process it, the external card may use some other procesor to do it co connecting it in series would add only these 3 ms of external card and that checks out. As well the processor of soundbar can be just slower so you have similar latency as 4k60 card. Regarding your questions with HDCP- have you checked if capture cards give back any video signal? If they dont they can just pass the signal along so no additional dealy i created: just soundbar and AVR are adding which may check out.
I like how you make ads seem like they are normal videos
linus: "GOTTA FIGURE OUT LATENCY"
me: I SPY THE MINECRAFT LAUNCHER
Linus: RTINGS
My redditor brain: r/tings
k
That subreddit exists but looks dead
I love when linus makes his sponsors sound good when they aint
I can see that the Northern Lights desk mat has been tested to withstand a television sitting on it. Will be very handy for when they come back in stock.
love the beard and the new smile thank you for your content and your team as well
“Sponsored by Vizio”
Vizio TVs aren’t even sold in Canada anymore!
6:37 is that 2 live bees flying in the background??
It looks like cgi but why would they put that in the video?
I love how video titles explain nothing on what you're about to watch nowadays.
Written before the test. I think the low latency is made, bay splitting the hdmi cable in two Strangs. On is captured and one is directly connected to the output.
I wouldn't expect a receiver to add much if any latency, all it's doing it splitting the signal; part goes into the sound processing, and the other part just goes straight to the output HDMI cable to the TV. Unless your receiver is doing some sort of video up-scaling or enhancements, then it should be almost exactly the same latency and a straight run. It's the same as splitting an HDMI cable into two, it's the same speed, just going to two different places.
I want a MUSTARD Cooled PC!!!!!!