Our latest update... An AFP Amazon Freight Partner has been stopped and in process of prosecution for pulling a trailer without a ministry plate, an appearance with the Traffic Commissioner is currently in progress...
Any articulated vehicle will carry ''TWO'' Ministry plates, one for the tractor, normally fixed in the cab and one attached to the trailer frame. both are fixed in a tamper-proof water-resistant frame and if they are not there then sorry Amazon you are nicked and the trailer, tractor or both are often impounded until this is rectified. The problem is that it is the Drivers responsibility to see that these plates are in place and legible and he is in for a nicking if there are not. Fridges also carry another plate normally fixed to the front offside corner area showing when the fridge was last tested for compliance and accuracy, and that can also cause the driver issues if it is missing or not readable. . Just a few of those little niggling rules drivers are not always aware of but should be.
The only answer is to refuse to pull the trailer if the plate is missing. If more drivers do this, and Amazons yards fill up with loaded trailers, they'll soon get the message!
this why they wont run their own trucks put the blame on some one else and say the driver should know take some responsibility Amazon make sure your drivers are legal
20 years ago i would have believed the police officer but nowadays, I would put money on the amazon logistics boss knowing if it's a law or a rule and if they can save money by not doing something that isn't required, they won't do it and I don't blame them.. From what I've seen over the last few years, the last person you stop and ask to clarify the law is a police officer.
We have heard so many different believable versions that we do not know what to believe, this 1 year has came up before but these trailers are well over 12 months old and all built by the same coach builder.
@@terryrance2662 new trailers DO come with the plate as you have to know the axle weights and how much the trailer is capable of carrying. Not all trailers are plated the same even with the same number of axles
@@Ossie12pints Yes, but they are the manufacturers design plates. Truck and trailers have to go after the first 12 months for an inspection and every year thereafter. So let's say for arguments sake you have 45ft van trailer with twin wheels and tandem axles. You as a company only want to carry Styrofoam, you've done your figures and you want to save in running costs and decide you don't want 10 ton axles and want lower axle weight and lower road tax. You can then take a wheel off at each hub . When you go to the MOT station you will get an MOT plate issued for lesser axle weights. Road tax will be significantly reduced. Then if you are a bit of a rogue company ,you put the wheels back on and operate at max manufacturing weights and you take the risk of getting caught by the roadside checks. Apparently, we are lead to believe ,the operators haven't sent them for the First MOT inspection,hence no plate and current test certificate.
A missing VTG (ministry) plate used to be a MOT fail. But that is no longer the case. If a trailer can be positively identified then it wouldn't even get an advisory for a missing VTG plate when presented for MOT.
Fend off with wheels pointing towards the hard shoulder (should an idiot not see the job car with its markings and lights). Nothing wrong with that at all.
Don’t know how Amazon operate in Britain, but here in the States they are crap, and break every DOT rule, seemingly with out confidence. Rates are rubbish too. Here most of the distribution center to distribution center are carried on their own trailers with franchised contractors pulling them. They bid on routes and lease Amazon liveried tractor units. Most are 1 to 2 years old. Nobody will discuss the maintenance arrangements. The trailers are leased through a rental company but again no one discusses regular maintenance. There are different options when leasing and knowing Amazon they get the cheapest. Long distance trips are covered by owner operators with no experience and old raggedly arse trucks. Again working for peanuts. Most of these guys wouldn’t get insured or hired by decent employers, either for previous tickets or their criminal record. There is no Vehicle operator licensing, or driver CPC. Drivers get hired straight out if driving school with absolutely no experience every day here. People who should never have a CDL. If an owner driver is caught with a defective trailer, be it listed on his operators license or Amazons he will get the ticket and it will be up to the Traffic commissioner to deal with. Again not 100% up to date on the legislation but I would of thought unless trading as a trailer rental or sales company they should have an operating center and operators license for trailers with a Transport manager responsible for maintenance, records and DOT inspection. 🏴🇺🇸
@@rookietrucker1968 Thinking about it Amazon must be buying their trailers. No trailer rental company would miss an annual inspection as they own that trailer and are liable for its condition at least once a year. You can rent while doing your own maintenance on the trailer but it needs to be listed on your operators license or margin. They are crooks, and need a visit from the Ministry. Shut them down for a few weeks until it’s sorted. Then owner drivers or contractors need to up the rates 🏴🇺🇸
The plate is important as it specifies the Trailer's identity when not connected to a Truck and the RPU will pull you over for this and where needed prosecute the Driver (As YOU are responsible!)
Exactly... Amazon don't cate about us, there job is to get the goods to there destination, they are not going to pull about 80% of trailers off the road and fail but let the drivers and AFPs take the hit, they ate full of shit trying to convince you it is OK.
@Mike_5 I am actually on my final shift for them now, expected to make Milton Keynes from Croydon in 36 minutes, night closures etc made me 2 hours late, video available tonight or tomorrow. Sat in MK now on break...
Swedish cops didn't know about this and tried to fine drivers pulling UK trailers for not having a plate. They were asked what plate to put there. The truck's the cops said, like they do in UK. Illegal because you can't put a random plate on a trailer. It's false plating obviously. In the Netherlands, there's a law (maybe revoked?) that says you should put your truck plate over the trailer plate. They are allowed to do that on UK trailers. We are not.
I hope it's not just Amazon at fault for this with their articulated trailers but, other companies & their trailers should be fully aware & take note of it. As I am sure the company held responsible for this will be heavily prosecuted for the offence. Unsure of cost but, I am sure it certainly will not be cheap quite expensive I wreckon. 😮😮😮😮
My understanding is that Amazon have something called a ''Home Office Agreement'' by that it has an agreement with all the regulatory authorities in the Uk, and Ireland. that if they want any details about Amazon, how it operates, equipment properties personnel etc. The local authority that thinks it has found a breach has to by the fact that information is not visible, displayed etc has to contact Amazons Home Office, (also known as the Head Office), the compliance department within the Head Office then provide them with the details.. This also means that Amazon know what is happening within their operation, and where necessary, all prosecutions go through their Head Office and are dealt with by them. A lot of multi nationals operate like this. . I think I am correct in saying that Wal-Mart when it used to own ASDA operated this way.
From a drivers view that is staying on the right side of the law, surely if this was the case with Amazon the higher management would also tell us this but they don't even know what the plate is.
@@rookietrucker1968 hi Mate, you are so right, but the issue is that the senior management don't trust anybody, also as a large number of the people that work for them do not have English as there first language, it leads to many many issues when they come into contact with the authorities.
@@petercross8871 can appreciate that but surely the road policing unit would know this and inform the driver that this is what is going on, as far as this officer is concerned Amazon are no different than anyone else.
@@rookietrucker1968 The Police Officer, does not make the decision to prosecute, he see's what he thinks is an offence, he issues a ticket, makes a report, then a body in an office checks the details, etc etc and it goes from there. . :Putting it bluntly the driver does not need to know, if he is agency, he might be there today gone tomorrow. So why tell him everything. The induction would take a week. . Think about yourself, as a driver you have to do certain things, but also. . certain things you cannot do, have you ever seen the insurance certificate for the trucks you drive . .
It's called corporate collusion, it's so colluded that these companies don't serve us anymore, we serve them with the current government given them the green light to take what they can from the public, whilst the government say oh its covids and Russia's fault your all getting poorer by the day.... Whilst sitting their doing the opposite to address it, because they can't as they're just a satellite state of The USA
Not true, the trailer manufacturers must apply for the plate and provide it with the trailer. The trailer plate is VTG6T. The trailer plate certificate is VTG7T. The certificate may be kept in the office but the trailer plate VTG6T MUST be displayed on the trailer!!!!
Amazon and those other freight companies must be held responsible and accountable for safe, legal operation of their trailers, etc. These freight companies do over honest owner/drivers on fair rates of pay regardless of where they operate. A few court appearances and a extended visit to a gaol would help stop this shit.
@@rookietrucker1968 26 years under my belt ..no fooking paper shuffler is going to tell me how to do my job.. i apply to the law not a desk jockey.. sck me and i will take you to court or even report to the TC
They seem to believe they are above the law, they tried saying it has all moved online now and they are no longer needed, strange DVSA never told any operators about it, ooohh it's Amazons law not UK law...
Just a small reminder to ALL drivers! It is an offence to knowingly taking a vehicle (including trailer) on a public highway in a faulty or un-roadworthy condition. If the trailer does not have its "MOT" plate affixed, it must be classed as un-roadworthy and therefore, un-safe. It is a Legal Requirement to have these "plates" in place on ANY commercial vehicle (and trailers)!
New trailers dont have plates, if they are over 1 yr old they must have, transport manager has questions to answer, could end up having problems with operators licence
Our latest update...
An AFP Amazon Freight Partner has been stopped and in process of prosecution for pulling a trailer without a ministry plate, an appearance with the Traffic Commissioner is currently in progress...
Any articulated vehicle will carry ''TWO'' Ministry plates, one for the tractor, normally fixed in the cab and one attached to the trailer frame. both are fixed in a tamper-proof water-resistant frame and if they are not there then sorry Amazon you are nicked and the trailer, tractor or both are often impounded until this is rectified. The problem is that it is the Drivers responsibility to see that these plates are in place and legible and he is in for a nicking if there are not. Fridges also carry another plate normally fixed to the front offside corner area showing when the fridge was last tested for compliance and accuracy, and that can also cause the driver issues if it is missing or not readable. . Just a few of those little niggling rules drivers are not always aware of but should be.
The only answer is to refuse to pull the trailer if the plate is missing. If more drivers do this, and Amazons yards fill up with loaded trailers, they'll soon get the message!
Most drivers are not even checking it, I have told another driver from another carrier that i have just refused it and they still take it.
If it’s not on trailer leave it where it is
It s also on computer. Not only on trailer
this why they wont run their own trucks put the blame on some one else and say the driver should know take some responsibility Amazon make sure your drivers are legal
Exactly that, now we have a bit more structure as 1 carrier has a date with the traffic commissioner over this matter...
20 years ago i would have believed the police officer but nowadays, I would put money on the amazon logistics boss knowing if it's a law or a rule and if they can save money by not doing something that isn't required, they won't do it and I don't blame them.. From what I've seen over the last few years, the last person you stop and ask to clarify the law is a police officer.
They aren't issued on manufacture, they are issued by the ministry upon completion of the first MOT test .
We have heard so many different believable versions that we do not know what to believe, this 1 year has came up before but these trailers are well over 12 months old and all built by the same coach builder.
@@terryrance2662 new trailers DO come with the plate as you have to know the axle weights and how much the trailer is capable of carrying. Not all trailers are plated the same even with the same number of axles
@@Ossie12pints Yes, but they are the manufacturers design plates. Truck and trailers have to go after the first 12 months for an inspection and every year thereafter. So let's say for arguments sake you have 45ft van trailer with twin wheels and tandem axles. You as a company only want to carry Styrofoam, you've done your figures and you want to save in running costs and decide you don't want 10 ton axles and want lower axle weight and lower road tax. You can then take a wheel off at each hub . When you go to the MOT station you will get an MOT plate issued for lesser axle weights. Road tax will be significantly reduced. Then if you are a bit of a rogue company ,you put the wheels back on and operate at max manufacturing weights and you take the risk of getting caught by the roadside checks. Apparently, we are lead to believe ,the operators haven't sent them for the
First MOT inspection,hence no plate and current test certificate.
A missing VTG (ministry) plate used to be a MOT fail. But that is no longer the case. If a trailer can be
positively identified then it wouldn't even get an advisory for a missing VTG plate when presented for MOT.
I’m more concerned of a copper stopping in a live lane rather than in that lay by ?
He was blocking it as there was a trailer with a tyre being changed.
Fend off with wheels pointing towards the hard shoulder (should an idiot not see the job car with its markings and lights). Nothing wrong with that at all.
Don’t know how Amazon operate in Britain, but here in the States they are crap, and break every DOT rule, seemingly with out confidence. Rates are rubbish too. Here most of the distribution center to distribution center are carried on their own trailers with franchised contractors pulling them. They bid on routes and lease Amazon liveried tractor units. Most are 1 to 2 years old. Nobody will discuss the maintenance arrangements. The trailers are leased through a rental company but again no one discusses regular maintenance. There are different options when leasing and knowing Amazon they get the cheapest. Long distance trips are covered by owner operators with no experience and old raggedly arse trucks. Again working for peanuts. Most of these guys wouldn’t get insured or hired by decent employers, either for previous tickets or their criminal record. There is no Vehicle operator licensing, or driver CPC. Drivers get hired straight out if driving school with absolutely no experience every day here. People who should never have a CDL.
If an owner driver is caught with a defective trailer, be it listed on his operators license or Amazons he will get the ticket and it will be up to the Traffic commissioner to deal with. Again not 100% up to date on the legislation but I would of thought unless trading as a trailer rental or sales company they should have an operating center and operators license for trailers with a Transport manager responsible for maintenance, records and DOT inspection. 🏴🇺🇸
You have just pretty much described how it runs in the UK.... get rich and grow quick for a reason...
@@rookietrucker1968 Thinking about it Amazon must be buying their trailers. No trailer rental company would miss an annual inspection as they own that trailer and are liable for its condition at least once a year.
You can rent while doing your own maintenance on the trailer but it needs to be listed on your operators license or margin.
They are crooks, and need a visit from the Ministry. Shut them down for a few weeks until it’s sorted.
Then owner drivers or contractors need to up the rates 🏴🇺🇸
The plate is important as it specifies the Trailer's identity when not connected to a Truck and the RPU will pull you over for this and where needed prosecute the Driver (As YOU are responsible!)
Exactly... Amazon don't cate about us, there job is to get the goods to there destination, they are not going to pull about 80% of trailers off the road and fail but let the drivers and AFPs take the hit, they ate full of shit trying to convince you it is OK.
@@rookietrucker1968 For sure mate stay safe and legal out there and don't let Amazon bull shit you!
@Mike_5 I am actually on my final shift for them now, expected to make Milton Keynes from Croydon in 36 minutes, night closures etc made me 2 hours late, video available tonight or tomorrow. Sat in MK now on break...
Swedish cops didn't know about this and tried to fine drivers pulling UK trailers for not having a plate. They were asked what plate to put there. The truck's the cops said, like they do in UK. Illegal because you can't put a random plate on a trailer. It's false plating obviously. In the Netherlands, there's a law (maybe revoked?) that says you should put your truck plate over the trailer plate. They are allowed to do that on UK trailers. We are not.
no they are required but dont need to be displayed
I hope it's not just Amazon at fault for this with their articulated trailers but, other companies & their trailers should be fully aware & take note of it. As I am sure the company held responsible for this will be heavily prosecuted for the offence. Unsure of cost but, I am sure it certainly will not be cheap quite expensive I wreckon. 😮😮😮😮
from what i understand they not req on new trailers up to the 1st major inspectin witch is 8 weeks max
These trailers are not new.
My understanding is that Amazon have something called a ''Home Office Agreement'' by that it has an agreement with all the regulatory authorities in the Uk, and Ireland. that if they want any details about Amazon, how it operates, equipment properties personnel etc. The local authority that thinks it has found a breach has to by the fact that information is not visible, displayed etc has to contact Amazons Home Office, (also known as the Head Office), the compliance department within the Head Office then provide them with the details.. This also means that Amazon know what is happening within their operation, and where necessary, all prosecutions go through their Head Office and are dealt with by them. A lot of multi nationals operate like this. . I think I am correct in saying that Wal-Mart when it used to own ASDA operated this way.
From a drivers view that is staying on the right side of the law, surely if this was the case with Amazon the higher management would also tell us this but they don't even know what the plate is.
@@rookietrucker1968 hi Mate, you are so right, but the issue is that the senior management don't trust anybody, also as a large number of the people that work for them do not have English as there first language, it leads to many many issues when they come into contact with the authorities.
@@petercross8871 can appreciate that but surely the road policing unit would know this and inform the driver that this is what is going on, as far as this officer is concerned Amazon are no different than anyone else.
@@rookietrucker1968 The Police Officer, does not make the decision to prosecute, he see's what he thinks is an offence, he issues a ticket, makes a report, then a body in an office checks the details, etc etc and it goes from there. . :Putting it bluntly the driver does not need to know, if he is agency, he might be there today gone tomorrow. So why tell him everything. The induction would take a week. . Think about yourself, as a driver you have to do certain things, but also. . certain things you cannot do, have you ever seen the insurance certificate for the trucks you drive . .
It's called corporate collusion, it's so colluded that these companies don't serve us anymore, we serve them with the current government given them the green light to take what they can from the public, whilst the government say oh its covids and Russia's fault your all getting poorer by the day.... Whilst sitting their doing the opposite to address it, because they can't as they're just a satellite state of The USA
Not true, the trailer manufacturers must apply for the plate and provide it with the trailer. The trailer plate is VTG6T. The trailer plate certificate is VTG7T. The certificate may be kept in the office but the trailer plate VTG6T MUST be displayed on the trailer!!!!
Amazon and those other freight companies must be held responsible and accountable for safe, legal operation of their trailers, etc.
These freight companies do over honest owner/drivers on fair rates of pay regardless of where they operate.
A few court appearances and a extended visit to a gaol would help stop this shit.
no plate, no take, simple .. my licence not theirs .. when drivers realise no license no job and a large fine then they get respect
Exactly how we was running, another small operator has a date with the TC
@@rookietrucker1968 26 years under my belt ..no fooking paper shuffler is going to tell me how to do my job.. i apply to the law not a desk jockey.. sck me and i will take you to court or even report to the TC
They seem to believe they are above the law, they tried saying it has all moved online now and they are no longer needed, strange DVSA never told any operators about it, ooohh it's Amazons law not UK law...
So why do everyone else's trailers come with plate from new?
They don’t !
@@alexrobinson2281 I suggest you read up about it!!
Just a small reminder to ALL drivers! It is an offence to knowingly taking a vehicle (including trailer) on a public highway in a faulty or un-roadworthy condition. If the trailer does not have its "MOT" plate affixed, it must be classed as un-roadworthy and therefore, un-safe. It is a Legal Requirement to have these "plates" in place on ANY commercial vehicle (and trailers)!
New trailers dont have plates, if they are over 1 yr old they must have, transport manager has questions to answer, could end up having problems with operators licence
Seems like the more money available the less the law applies? Or at least Amazon thinks so.
Have you noticed how Amazon don't even have the trailer manufacturers name on their trailers? Why?
They do, regular trailers (VS) are Lawrence David and the double decker's (VD) are TIP
@@rookietrucker1968TIP don’t manufacture trailers they are just a leasing/hire company
You need the plate details to carry out a brake test.
Rules are NOT LAWS.
If it’s not legal don’t take out the yard
We never...
Why did he have to walk half a mile on the motorway to talk to the cop?
His vehicle had sustained a puncture. The police vehicle was shielding the truck from traffic while the wheel was changed.
Only a Ministry Inspector can question you about this - outside of the remit of the Police, muppets.
since when did amazon play by the rules
HA HA HA HA 🤣
who cares as long as i get my parcels 😃
It could also be the reason you don't get your parcel...
And one runs over you or some of your kids. But like you I don’t give a shit about you or anyone else.