At 8:20 when you shake the camera and hear a "flopping around" noise, I believe that is normal. Part of the "Optical Image Stabilization" as depicted in red on the top of the camcorder. I have 2 HV30 and an HV40 all make that noise.
It may be that the optical image stabilization makes a noise but my diopter is definitely broken. It just flops around and the adjustment lever will not move and it cannot be focused. I was not able to photograph it but you can see it flopping in there. How do you like your HV40? I was told I undersold it. Maybe so, I'm sure the HDV format was revolutionary back in the day. This camera seems to get a lot of love. Thanks for watching.
Nice overview! Your sample footage is 29.97i, but your YT video is 30p? I think you are underselling the HV40 :) Also, how did you capture it? Why is there a black bar on the top of the frame? The HS300 was not one of the first modern cameras, maybe one of the fourths (let's see: 2006: SD1/DX1, 2007: SD5/SX5, 2008: SD9/HS9/SD100/HS100, 2009: HS300/HDC-HS200/HDC-TM300/SD300/HDC-SD200, bingo!). My SD1 still runs strong, accepts 32GB cards without problems. The reason people were buying the HV20/30/40 was 24p. Sony did not have it on consumer camcorders, Panasonic offered it in 2008, but that year models had tiny 1/6-inch sensors, while the HV had a 1/2.7-inch, which was considered huge back then. Your HS300 can do 24p as well, have you used it? Also, back then AVC was much harder to edit, Apple even came out with an idiotic iFrame format to avoid re-encoding AVCHD into an intermediate codec. Sony Vegas edited AVC like a champ though, realtime, no hiccups. I've been using Vegas since then.
Many people gushed over the HV40 which is the main reason I bought it. I can imagine if I had experienced it back in the day I probably would have fallen in love with it. For me now it's just kind of a curiosity. I didn't even notice the tiny black bar until your pointed it out to me. I'll have to go back to the tape and see if it looks that way. I used the firewire to input it into the computer. I suspect that there is a tiny mismatch, (maybe in my software) in dealing with the 1440 x 1080 and upscaling it to 1920 x 1080. I used the Sony DV Capture software. in terms of the properties windows reports the native file as 29.97i and 1440 x 1080. I render all my videos as 3840 x 2160 and 30p before uploading to UA-cam. This minimizes any compression they might apply. I have never quite understood the hoopla surrounding 24p. I know its the film look and all, but I shot on film in 1977 to 1981 until I bought my first Portable VCR. I was happy to not have a film look. I have never used it on any camera that I own. I might could do a whole video on the mystique of 24p but I legitimately don't understand it so I can't do it justice. Would have been more accurate to say the HS300 was my first modern camera. First one I owned that shot HD onto digital tapeless media. I probably need to get an SD1 and have a legitimate first generation modern camera. Hard to imagine now, but yes, I remember how much grief AVCHD caused. Just when we got everything set up for DV in comes this codec that didn't work very well. Thank you so much for your comments. I do old tech and new tech and honestly my old tech videos are not the most popular. I love the old tech and appreciate that other folks love it as well. And thanks for watching.
@@WaybackRewind My point regarding frame rate is that if you like "video look", then you shoot 30i and deinterlace into 60p to retain the look. OTOH, if you prefer uploading in 30p, which has motion akin to film, then why haven't you shot in 30P at the first place? It would give you higher vertical resolution. Of course, the metadata will show 29.97i in either case, as there are no flags for 30P, so maybe you did, in this case I am preaching to the choir :) 24P is correctly flagged though. The HV40 has two 24fps modes: one with pulldown and another is, at least from the point of my NLE, is native. Some people cannot see the difference in motion between 24p, 30p and 30i/60p, other do. I cannot discern 24p from 30p, but I see how either is different from 30i/60p. It is noticeable even if the motion is very subtle. One of the reasons Japanese HDTV failed in the US in the early 1980s was that the Japanese suggested using 30i for movies, claiming that more pictures per second means smoother picture, which is good. But this was precisely the problem: it looked too real, like a daytime soap opera. The Hollywood hated it. And tech companies wanted prog-scan. Thanks for replying!
@ConsumerDV As I understand it, the HV40 only has one progressive mode, and that is 24p. Maybe that was part of the allure of 24p was to even have a progressive mode. I skipped that in my camera life and waited for 30p cameras. I dislike interlaced, but the HV40 doesn't really give you a lot of choices. If I am purchasing a camera, or picking one out of my inventory, I would definitely shoot in 30p or even better 60p. Since the purpose of this video was demonstrating the HV40 I shot with what it has. I was not trying to do post-production and make it look better, just showing the footage as it comes out of the camera. I appreciate the feedback. I read the manual, play with the camera for about a week and read the contemporary reviews, but don't claim to know everything there is to know about each camera. And then I feel the pressure to publish a video. So I try to do better as time progresses. I have ordered an SD5. Seems like all the SD1s are in Japan. Maybe I'll still get it. Such an exciting time when camcorders finally went no moving parts.
@WaybackRewind Actually, the HV40 gives you a ton of choices. Standard HDV is 30i, which Canon calls 60i. Then PF30 is 30p-in-30i with 2:2 pulldown and no flags, PF24 is 24p-in-30i with 2:3 pulldown and no flags, and 24F comes out of Firewire as native 24p, this was the Holy Grail. I got my SD1 sometime in 2009 I believe. Bought it used. 1440x1080i only, 3CCD, highest bitrate is 12 Mbps. Feels very nice in hand. Quality product. Works with 32GB cards. Outdated, but not as horribly as tape-based camcorders. I have a review of it on my channel :) Nice talking to you!
The HV40 is my favorite camera. I have 6 of them. I also have some old computers with firewire conections. Great camera. I found a couple sites that says Canon, Sony. And a couple other companies got together to make it.
I miss firewire, but if you haven't seen my video I use the Pinnacle Movie Studio Plus, which converts firewire to USB and works on any modern computer. I used it to convert this video. I was going to show that in this video, but couldn't figure out how to work it into the narrative. I'm happy that new batteries are still available. I'll probably shoot more video and I'll show the firewire transfer in the next one. Thanks for watching.
@@WaybackRewind I also use pinnacle studio ultimate. Some of it is beyond me but I use the program to import the video. I've tried othe programs but was inpressed. Movie maker sometimes would recognize the canera.
@budthomason8890 I never have any issues recognizing the camera. Pinnacle is so underrated. I searched for years for a firewire solution on modern laptops and finally got a tip from the UK and have been using it ever since.
I am looking for a Sony HDV. From what I understand they were not compatible with the Canon each had their proprietary codec. These are all still pricey though.
You should be able to take the viewfinder lens off the camera and set the focus to your eyes. I used some tape to lock the SR12's viewfinder focus in place.
You were ahead of me. My first tapeless was the Panasonic SDR-H18 in 2008. Harddrive camcorders were my favorite. I hate they are gone. I have forgotten the SD card more than once and ruined my day.
![Sony HDC-XR260 Last HDD [Hard Disk Drive] Camcorder?](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yxPnaTkQOUk/mqdefault.jpg)
At 8:20 when you shake the camera and hear a "flopping around" noise, I believe that is normal. Part of the "Optical Image Stabilization" as depicted in red on the top of the camcorder. I have 2 HV30 and an HV40 all make that noise.
It may be that the optical image stabilization makes a noise but my diopter is definitely broken. It just flops around and the adjustment lever will not move and it cannot be focused. I was not able to photograph it but you can see it flopping in there.
How do you like your HV40? I was told I undersold it. Maybe so, I'm sure the HDV format was revolutionary back in the day. This camera seems to get a lot of love. Thanks for watching.
Nice overview! Your sample footage is 29.97i, but your YT video is 30p? I think you are underselling the HV40 :) Also, how did you capture it? Why is there a black bar on the top of the frame?
The HS300 was not one of the first modern cameras, maybe one of the fourths (let's see: 2006: SD1/DX1, 2007: SD5/SX5, 2008: SD9/HS9/SD100/HS100, 2009: HS300/HDC-HS200/HDC-TM300/SD300/HDC-SD200, bingo!). My SD1 still runs strong, accepts 32GB cards without problems.
The reason people were buying the HV20/30/40 was 24p. Sony did not have it on consumer camcorders, Panasonic offered it in 2008, but that year models had tiny 1/6-inch sensors, while the HV had a 1/2.7-inch, which was considered huge back then. Your HS300 can do 24p as well, have you used it? Also, back then AVC was much harder to edit, Apple even came out with an idiotic iFrame format to avoid re-encoding AVCHD into an intermediate codec. Sony Vegas edited AVC like a champ though, realtime, no hiccups. I've been using Vegas since then.
Many people gushed over the HV40 which is the main reason I bought it. I can imagine if I had experienced it back in the day I probably would have fallen in love with it. For me now it's just kind of a curiosity.
I didn't even notice the tiny black bar until your pointed it out to me. I'll have to go back to the tape and see if it looks that way. I used the firewire to input it into the computer. I suspect that there is a tiny mismatch, (maybe in my software) in dealing with the 1440 x 1080 and upscaling it to 1920 x 1080. I used the Sony DV Capture software.
in terms of the properties windows reports the native file as 29.97i and 1440 x 1080. I render all my videos as 3840 x 2160 and 30p before uploading to UA-cam. This minimizes any compression they might apply.
I have never quite understood the hoopla surrounding 24p. I know its the film look and all, but I shot on film in 1977 to 1981 until I bought my first Portable VCR. I was happy to not have a film look. I have never used it on any camera that I own. I might could do a whole video on the mystique of 24p but I legitimately don't understand it so I can't do it justice.
Would have been more accurate to say the HS300 was my first modern camera. First one I owned that shot HD onto digital tapeless media. I probably need to get an SD1 and have a legitimate first generation modern camera.
Hard to imagine now, but yes, I remember how much grief AVCHD caused. Just when we got everything set up for DV in comes this codec that didn't work very well.
Thank you so much for your comments. I do old tech and new tech and honestly my old tech videos are not the most popular. I love the old tech and appreciate that other folks love it as well. And thanks for watching.
If I had noticed that little black bar I could have easily compensated for it in my editor, but I didn’t see it.
@@WaybackRewind My point regarding frame rate is that if you like "video look", then you shoot 30i and deinterlace into 60p to retain the look. OTOH, if you prefer uploading in 30p, which has motion akin to film, then why haven't you shot in 30P at the first place? It would give you higher vertical resolution. Of course, the metadata will show 29.97i in either case, as there are no flags for 30P, so maybe you did, in this case I am preaching to the choir :) 24P is correctly flagged though. The HV40 has two 24fps modes: one with pulldown and another is, at least from the point of my NLE, is native.
Some people cannot see the difference in motion between 24p, 30p and 30i/60p, other do. I cannot discern 24p from 30p, but I see how either is different from 30i/60p. It is noticeable even if the motion is very subtle. One of the reasons Japanese HDTV failed in the US in the early 1980s was that the Japanese suggested using 30i for movies, claiming that more pictures per second means smoother picture, which is good. But this was precisely the problem: it looked too real, like a daytime soap opera. The Hollywood hated it. And tech companies wanted prog-scan. Thanks for replying!
@ConsumerDV As I understand it, the HV40 only has one progressive mode, and that is 24p. Maybe that was part of the allure of 24p was to even have a progressive mode. I skipped that in my camera life and waited for 30p cameras. I dislike interlaced, but the HV40 doesn't really give you a lot of choices.
If I am purchasing a camera, or picking one out of my inventory, I would definitely shoot in 30p or even better 60p. Since the purpose of this video was demonstrating the HV40 I shot with what it has. I was not trying to do post-production and make it look better, just showing the footage as it comes out of the camera.
I appreciate the feedback. I read the manual, play with the camera for about a week and read the contemporary reviews, but don't claim to know everything there is to know about each camera. And then I feel the pressure to publish a video. So I try to do better as time progresses.
I have ordered an SD5. Seems like all the SD1s are in Japan. Maybe I'll still get it. Such an exciting time when camcorders finally went no moving parts.
@WaybackRewind Actually, the HV40 gives you a ton of choices. Standard HDV is 30i, which Canon calls 60i. Then PF30 is 30p-in-30i with 2:2 pulldown and no flags, PF24 is 24p-in-30i with 2:3 pulldown and no flags, and 24F comes out of Firewire as native 24p, this was the Holy Grail.
I got my SD1 sometime in 2009 I believe. Bought it used. 1440x1080i only, 3CCD, highest bitrate is 12 Mbps. Feels very nice in hand. Quality product. Works with 32GB cards. Outdated, but not as horribly as tape-based camcorders. I have a review of it on my channel :) Nice talking to you!
The HV40 is my favorite camera. I have 6 of them. I also have some old computers with firewire conections. Great camera. I found a couple sites that says Canon, Sony. And a couple other companies got together to make it.
I miss firewire, but if you haven't seen my video I use the Pinnacle Movie Studio Plus, which converts firewire to USB and works on any modern computer. I used it to convert this video. I was going to show that in this video, but couldn't figure out how to work it into the narrative.
I'm happy that new batteries are still available. I'll probably shoot more video and I'll show the firewire transfer in the next one.
Thanks for watching.
@@WaybackRewind I also use pinnacle studio ultimate. Some of it is beyond me but I use the program to import the video. I've tried othe programs but was inpressed. Movie maker sometimes would recognize the canera.
@budthomason8890 I never have any issues recognizing the camera. Pinnacle is so underrated. I searched for years for a firewire solution on modern laptops and finally got a tip from the UK and have been using it ever since.
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Great video. I have a few Sony HDV models and the Sony HD700 HDV Video Walkman.
I am looking for a Sony HDV. From what I understand they were not compatible with the Canon each had their proprietary codec. These are all still pricey though.
Those video Walkmans have held their value very well too.
You should be able to take the viewfinder lens off the camera and set the focus to your eyes. I used some tape to lock the SR12's viewfinder focus in place.
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My first tapeless is the Sony HDR-SR12 with a hard drive from 2006
You were ahead of me. My first tapeless was the Panasonic SDR-H18 in 2008. Harddrive camcorders were my favorite. I hate they are gone. I have forgotten the SD card more than once and ruined my day.
Using a "Grass Valley" HDMI in to Firewire out box I have recorded movies like T2 etc onto HDV tape in 1080i. Looks excellent
Firewire was life changing. It's a shame that it's gone away. HDMI was intentionally crippled as there is no native HDMI inputs on computers.
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