I love how you point out the world we live in with security, and 95% of people and companies are no where near where they need to be security wise, and nor will most be willing to even do it until their entire life is effected.
@@jamesbuckwas6575 I am assuming he is either talking to reliability, or layers of security. To clarify my point, one extra computer isn't enough security, but it is a 2x improvement for most people. I do stuff like country blocking, packet sniffing, multiple networks for my lab - my family - and smart devices, password managers, dedicated managerial computer, satellite VPN for hosted services, triple backup, encrypted drives, 2fa. But a 2x improvement is still better than nothing.
Speaking of using the USB4 port: "If you want to use USB4 port(PD3.0 100W) for power supply, please set TDP to 54W in BIOS, which supports 20V/5A max. Please be sure to connect 120W power adapter to DC port for power supply if you set the TDP to 65W." Good to know about this power limitation.
I've been looking into getting one of these and honestly the driver/BIOS situation is complete no-go for me. In a few short years (months?) it's gonna be an absolute nightmare getting up-to-date software for these.
What if you don't game with it, only used for youtube and emails. Would you think it would be okay for that? Just curious because I was thinking about getting one. Couldn't decide on that or the Acer Aspire TC-1760-UA92 Desktop. What are your thought about that?
@@markifiThe problem is then that you're paying extra for what becomes a useless feature. The fact that this system supports USB-C power is indicative that they absolutely didn't need to include the proprietary connector, but chose to do so anyway.
@@SnakebitSTIThere are plenty of laptops that can charge over USB-C even if they can charge at higher rates or need that to maintain at full performance. I’d assume that it would throttle at higher wattage if necessary.
*_Wendell ! ! !_* . . . . will you look into the power supplies by *_Super Flower_* with the unique, proprietary modular "Universal" connectors? ( like this one: SF-1000F14TG ) , Please. I'm trying to wrap my head around the how & why of these proprietary connector designs. How do they work and why would they be necessary? Please and thank you.
Beelink is great!!! Just make sure that you check that SMART is available, enabled, and working correctly for your NVMe SSDs because on the Beelink GTR5 5900HX, it does NOT support SMART on the NVMe SSD.
Proprietary connection is always garbage, if they release and an adapter with a long cord to a standard round power connector, this would be tolerable. Right now it's annoying. No ability to extend this as needed for standing desks, still love my GTR7 Pro . That Hermes Orange is so gorgeous. still debating if an eGPU is warranted
This mini pc is good for light games and GREAT for emulation. Also good for a spare PC or media PC. I got the Ser6 Max which is basically the same but with a Ryzen7 7735HS and 500GB hard drive.
I'd like to see a cheap x86 mini-pc that can decode 4k hdr hevc (av1 if we were lucky) and can run off PoE. It'd make for a fun unit to attempt some full media center magic on.
@@sativagirl1885 No, I want x86 because part of my dream machine is native Steam. That way Big Picture mode can make up the core of the UI and you can mix local low power titles and remote play high end games. If Steam makes a full client for ARM or RISCV then that'd change things.
@@LanceThumping the games are x86 programs so the only thing you can do on ARM or RISCV is Steam's game streaming thing. I mean sure you can emulate x86 on ARM/RISCV but that's a different kind of thing that Steam isn't doing with their SteamOS
I like the Zotac ones the most. I have been using various models since like 2014, or so, and they are excellent. Super efficient, great design, zero issues, and pretty cheap. They only recently started doing AMD (very few), but I hope they do more.
regarding the thunderbolt being 4x and not making much sense for faster graphics cards, would that still be the case for machine learning? My understanding is you want to keep it all in the GDDR so you'd only really be transfering the data once to load it.
It seems for machine learning there is no significant loss of performance when running an eGPU over TB3. One user benchmarked his 3090 inside his PC and compared to in an eGPU case and found there was almost no difference for Stable Diffusion. OTOH there was about 80% loss of FPS in games. I personally use my 3090 in a mini PC and think it's a neat solution.
I'd like to see barrel and this connector be able to do usb c power negotiating. No more mismatched plugs that could fry your box. Small, medium, and large connectors, thats it. If it doesn't work it doesn't work but it won't fry your device.
most if not all are between 18.5 and 21v and that's usually what the power regulators in the device will also accept. There is no real need to "power negotiate" when by default you are already at the same voltage of the device. Now the real issue is how much watts the PSUs are rated for, but it's not a "frying" issue. If you use a too weak PSU it will trip its overcurrent protection and shut down.
It's not 100% efficient so why the kill a watt reads around 105-110w . . .
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@@Level1Techs I don't disagree, but magnetic connector should see no more than 100w, also you mentioned those specs just before the "north of" line, so that's what caught my attention.
laptops also have the advantage of having a battery connected so u arent at risk of system crash due to momentary issues with wall power all the mini pc is likely to have is a relativity small capacitor at 100 watts the capacitance is not giving you much room for error
a ups is a good solution to issues with the power grid and power delivery up the socket ur plugging the power brick into. but if you run into the issue of the pc shutting down when you jiggle the power cord, its not going to help with that. its a super uncommon issue but i have encountered it a few times on desktop pc's when the user was using a cheap power cord the wasnt to spec and wasnt snug in the psu. tbh the biggest advantage of a proprietary power adapter is probably the very fact that it is proprietary - users cant use a cheap chinese replacement that isnt appropriate to the unit
You could fit all of this inside a power supply shell, if you were willing to cannibalize it. Then it could look like you were gaming off just the power supply.
It doesn't work. I have it and others who bought the device also tried and complained in reddit. None of these UA-cam reviewers actually show it working with PD 3.0.
idk, I was going to comment against the whole device you mentioned it supports usb power delivery, to me the 19v custom connector is totally redundant and a cost that could have been cut.
Why not stick a second NVMe 4 drive in there like a WB Black 2tb or the other thing that I can't find info on is will this handle a 4tb NVMe drive? If your going to game you would most definitely want a second drive and knowing what the performance would have been like would have made this review more informative. Sadly almost every review that I've seen, NO ONE has done this. Yes it's mentioned it will take another drive but no one show this or the performance with a drive.
Looking up the AMD Radeon 780M build into this APU, it should support 8k60 AV1, 8k43 H.265, 4k175 H.264 De- and Encode. So with a good external USB capture card, they might make a good streaming PC? Small enough to fit inside the case of my gaming PC?
I think I could do without the proprietary power connector, and I don't quite get why they bothered. It has USB-PD(?) after all, and if they really wanted a power connector that doesn't block one of your high-speed ports, maybe that little bit of power filtering and a barrel jack would have sufficed like any other notebook/device? It can't be that expensive compared to the price of such a machine. Why reinvent the wheel? Ehh, doesn't really, matter though...
Good that they're trying to fix the power connectors but I don't buy the filtering excuse. They should actually have enough hold-up time to swap a connector. USB and barrel jacks would okay if they just recessed the port enough that it's impossible to exert any tangential force or torque on the connection e.g. SFP+ to chassis style. Or go full induction and charge through the desk
@Wendell's mentions that the SER7 can be powered by USBC Power Delivery, but I had no such success so far, even with powerful USBC power adapters. So, is it really possible ? Anyone managed that ? If yes, how to do it ?
Thank you so much for the update. Quick question, would you recommend it for heavy video and photo editing? (Photoshop, Affintify photo, DeVanci Resolve, Adobe Premiere) or would you suggest something else?
I want to see beelink build a mini-pc that features a 6 core 12 thread am5 cpu with a dedicated amd GPU.... a proper mini-gaming machine. Even if the package ends up a little larger. Also faster memory support.
I agree. A socketed CPU capable of 65W and (ideally) a PCIe slot for a GPU would be quite nice. Even if the GPU is in an MXM format (less common but oh well), that would still enable a 12-core R9 7900 to be used in the machine, as well as whatever powerful GPU's laptops can handle now.
I think two monitors is a decent amount to have without resorting to adapters from USB-C or dongles/docks. My similar issue though, is that there's only one USB 3.0 type-A port on the front, and the only rear ports run at USB 2.0 speeds. Having those 2.0 connectors run at 3.0 speeds or including two 3.0 ports on the back would make the IO go from okay to really good, in my opinion.
@@tim3172 Well there's already three USB-C ports that can be adapted into almost any other connector, so at that point, I would say it's important to strike a balance between the different types of users. Those being people like yourself who choose to adapt ports and customize the machine as they wish, and people like me and (presumably) the original commenter who would rather not use dongles and extra accessories to get the ports we want. TLDR; There's something for everyone, except (personally) enough USB-A 3.0 ports.
Well my '18 coffee lake 9900k makes same numbers in cpu-z bench @5ghz + 3200mhz ddr4. So maybe comparable to 5 year old desktop systems and even then won't "run around" those systems either. What's really amazing is the power efficient on that small processor. 😮
@@marcogenovesi8570 that makes it a bit better at least. The way it was worded was more that you could charge your phone/tablet/laptop from the USB port on the pc. Thnx for the answer
I require 10g network connectivity for my homelab use case and seeing only 2.5gb NICs on amazing mini PC hardware hurts my soul. USB NICs are not an option for me. I think I might cry if I see 5gbps NICs as the next "stop-gap".
Basically, all of the "tests" of these Mini PCs that come from Mini's forum, Beelink (well, actually they are almost all OEM devices, which then receive their logo from the distributor) etc. are just advertising videos. The manufacturers provide the UA-camrs with test devices and many UA-camrs then mention that they received a test product from the manufacturer, but would otherwise tell their honest opinion completely freely (no $$$ at all). Eh, no! You are dependent on the manufacturers who provide the test products. If you just think about it for a moment, it's clear that nearly all of the mini pc UA-camrs can't tell their opinion freely. And then it also explains the fact that almost nothing was mentioned about problems in all of the tests. They read the specifications and show that the device starts and passes a benchmark. And after the video -> is before the next video about the next mini PC. The previous device is forgotten. If you then look around on Amazon and/or in various forums (e.g. Reddit r/MiniPCs), you will see that many users have massive problems after a few months and that the refund of the money or a replacement EMiniPC either does not work or takes months .
@@shanent5793 I honestly don't care. There are so many SMB and hub offices that could operate with one of these mini-pcs and a USB-C drive bay for backups.
Raptor Lake-P devices can do in-band ECC: ASROCK Industrial has them in mini-PC, LattePanda has an SBC (Sigma). I'm sure if you bought enough of them Bee Link would enable traditional ECC in their Ryzen PC's if they don't already have it
@@shanent5793 Thanks for that but problem with buying these bulk or over $1000 has always been the customs import charges. If I can buy a unit at a time and get the parts locally it's worth it for small businesses otherwise they run everything off a single pc until the inevitable happens. While the Sigma does look interesting it's not 8/16 and those E cores don't work as well with virtualization.
I'm using an older 5800u version for just that purpose running TrueNAS scale, Jellyfin, and Home Assistant OS. You don't have enough drives for data protection/redundancy. I keep a backup of everything on an external USB drive.
if by "on board computer" you mean the entertainment system yeah sure. If you mean the ECU board controlling the engine and other components over the CANbus, no you cannot
Oh Boy! A mini-PC running Windows with a "lightning" cable for power. Just kidding! Your reviews are great - way over my head, but great! Just wanted to say thank you!"
The proprietary magnetic power supply is universally hated by consumers. You also cannot buy them separately from Beelink until your current one breaks. Saying it can be powered by USB PD is also false as many SER7 owners (myself included) have confirmed it. This strongly suggests you have not actually tested this option and just went with the specsheet. These reviewers really need to actually test something before they say something. Otherwise, it's just misleading.
I need more info on this matter, on this video's comment section, someone stated that it could run in a USB4 port(PD3.0 100W (20V5A)) for power supply, however, it's mandatory to set TDP from 65W to 54W in BIOS, which supports 20V/5A max. could you also help me test it? I am planning to buy it if it works. thanks in advance
Proprietary anything is a no go... you can use usb4 to power this but not at full power... sigh... . Also I swear most reviewers are paid off by these companies, never any real criticism... always the best thing now. Thanks for some critical thoughts most do not cover.
And i can't support this device because of the lack of driver support. It isn't so plug and play with the thunderbolt ports, all kinds of whacky stuff that these cpus need to address. AMD needs to catch up to Intel
Can confirm, Phoenix APU's get no driver support. 7640HS using Early 2023 drivers... Had to get modded drivers to get newer drivers, work just fine, AMD is stupid for this BS again like they where with 1st Gen Ryzen
no, no , nooo, no to any proprietary things they try to control us with it, there's standards and they should use standardized connectors only, if they have great new ideas they should make standard and then use it.
@@scarlet_phonavis6734 No they are not. You are confusing the connectors for modular cables and the connectors for the peripherals. The ATX 22 pin connector the 12v CPU and PCIe connectors and Sata/Molex are standard, you can swap any ATX PSU you want
@@scarlet_phonavis6734 All that means is that the power supply CABLES cannot be transferred between different brands of power supply. The size and shape of the power supply, the power connectors for the motherboard/PCIe power, and the power cord from the wall outlet are all standard. The only difficulty that would arise is purchasing the correct power supply cables, and that's only if you lose them on a new unit anyway. And buying used PSUs is usually not recommended.
The EU voted to have usb standard on all phones. These types of connectors only mean more money for the manufacturer as if they break, they aren’t readily available.
yea, sure !! use a noname random chinese pc maker for banking purposes, no thanks !! They have trash support based on my experience, anyone who is looking into this. Do yourself a favor and get either nuc or something more reputable brand which will support the devices Disappointed seeing this crap on L1T :(
The main issue slowing down this machine in this test......WINDOWS.....I've got slower machines that have far better scores and much more power then this using Linux. Windows makes most PC's slow and sluggish as its such a sloppily built and programmed OS. I own a WIN MAX 2 Rizen 6800U which runs games like Sniper Elite 5 on High at 2k resolution very very well....on Manjaro.... Get rid of Windows on this machine and i bet it will go like stink......Gamers and Users....#windowssucksforeverythingthesedays
I love how you point out the world we live in with security, and 95% of people and companies are no where near where they need to be security wise, and nor will most be willing to even do it until their entire life is effected.
its funny that beelink is a solution for security !! coming from an enterprise channel is disappointing
@@mn5655 How so?
@@jamesbuckwas6575 I am assuming he is either talking to reliability, or layers of security. To clarify my point, one extra computer isn't enough security, but it is a 2x improvement for most people. I do stuff like country blocking, packet sniffing, multiple networks for my lab - my family - and smart devices, password managers, dedicated managerial computer, satellite VPN for hosted services, triple backup, encrypted drives, 2fa. But a 2x improvement is still better than nothing.
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@@RANDOMNATION907 Dyslexic*
Speaking of using the USB4 port:
"If you want to use USB4 port(PD3.0 100W) for power supply, please set TDP to 54W in BIOS, which supports 20V/5A max.
Please be sure to connect 120W power adapter to DC port for power supply if you set the TDP to 65W."
Good to know about this power limitation.
The power connector looks nice and doesn't run the risk of bending or snapping when you put pressure on it. I like it.
So laptops and other devices don't have this problem...?
Sounds like a lame reason.
Bad TechnoTim, bad bad naughty! Proprietary connector is bad
I've been looking into getting one of these and honestly the driver/BIOS situation is complete no-go for me. In a few short years (months?) it's gonna be an absolute nightmare getting up-to-date software for these.
agree, don't know how this trash ended up on this channel !! not what i signed up for
can you explain a little bit more in detail? i just want to use it for music production, will it effect me?
What if you don't game with it, only used for youtube and emails. Would you think it would be okay for that? Just curious because I was thinking about getting one. Couldn't decide on that or the Acer Aspire TC-1760-UA92 Desktop. What are your thought about that?
Proprietary connectors are an instant no from me, regardless of how good the system may be.
@@markifi USB-C power should have been default.
@@markifi now you need to buy a USB-C power adapter? Or you think USB-C cables syphon power from the Ether?
@@marcogenovesi8570 Oh no, 8 whole dollars so I can "solve" a "problem" that I created for myself. The end of the world as we know it.
@@markifiThe problem is then that you're paying extra for what becomes a useless feature.
The fact that this system supports USB-C power is indicative that they absolutely didn't need to include the proprietary connector, but chose to do so anyway.
@@SnakebitSTIThere are plenty of laptops that can charge over USB-C even if they can charge at higher rates or need that to maintain at full performance. I’d assume that it would throttle at higher wattage if necessary.
You can use a oculink with the free m.2 (and oculink adapter)so you can get a native pcie 4.0 X4 to ur GPU
Can you please provide a link to a page that explains this. Thanks! @chillidog8726
@@be-kind00 just google Oculink m.2 GPU kit
Can't post.links here
*_Wendell ! ! !_* . . . . will you look into the power supplies by *_Super Flower_* with the unique, proprietary modular "Universal" connectors? ( like this one: SF-1000F14TG ) , Please.
I'm trying to wrap my head around the how & why of these proprietary connector designs. How do they work and why would they be necessary? Please and thank you.
Beelink is great!!!
Just make sure that you check that SMART is available, enabled, and working correctly for your NVMe SSDs because on the Beelink GTR5 5900HX, it does NOT support SMART on the NVMe SSD.
Proprietary connection is always garbage, if they release and an adapter with a long cord to a standard round power connector, this would be tolerable. Right now it's annoying. No ability to extend this as needed for standing desks, still love my GTR7 Pro . That Hermes Orange is so gorgeous. still debating if an eGPU is warranted
Plug the wall power adapter into an extension cord. Problem solved.
@@RANDOMNATION907 absolutely wrong, now the problem is worse with a giant power plug brick in the worst position.
@@herlegz6969 On the floor, behind your desk?
This mini pc is good for light games and GREAT for emulation. Also good for a spare PC or media PC. I got the Ser6 Max which is basically the same but with a Ryzen7 7735HS and 500GB hard drive.
I'd like to see a cheap x86 mini-pc that can decode 4k hdr hevc (av1 if we were lucky) and can run off PoE.
It'd make for a fun unit to attempt some full media center magic on.
Would you buy a cheap ARM v9 or RISC-V system that compares with Apple Silicon?
@@sativagirl1885 No, I want x86 because part of my dream machine is native Steam.
That way Big Picture mode can make up the core of the UI and you can mix local low power titles and remote play high end games.
If Steam makes a full client for ARM or RISCV then that'd change things.
@@LanceThumping the games are x86 programs so the only thing you can do on ARM or RISCV is Steam's game streaming thing.
I mean sure you can emulate x86 on ARM/RISCV but that's a different kind of thing that Steam isn't doing with their SteamOS
I like the Zotac ones the most. I have been using various models since like 2014, or so, and they are excellent. Super efficient, great design, zero issues, and pretty cheap. They only recently started doing AMD (very few), but I hope they do more.
regarding the thunderbolt being 4x and not making much sense for faster graphics cards, would that still be the case for machine learning? My understanding is you want to keep it all in the GDDR so you'd only really be transfering the data once to load it.
It seems for machine learning there is no significant loss of performance when running an eGPU over TB3. One user benchmarked his 3090 inside his PC and compared to in an eGPU case and found there was almost no difference for Stable Diffusion. OTOH there was about 80% loss of FPS in games. I personally use my 3090 in a mini PC and think it's a neat solution.
I'd like to see barrel and this connector be able to do usb c power negotiating. No more mismatched plugs that could fry your box. Small, medium, and large connectors, thats it. If it doesn't work it doesn't work but it won't fry your device.
most if not all are between 18.5 and 21v and that's usually what the power regulators in the device will also accept. There is no real need to "power negotiate" when by default you are already at the same voltage of the device. Now the real issue is how much watts the PSUs are rated for, but it's not a "frying" issue. If you use a too weak PSU it will trip its overcurrent protection and shut down.
@@marcogenovesi8570 There are quite a few mini PCs with barrel connectors that take 12V.
It's simple DC, so 19v * 5.25A = 99.75W... So not north of 100W as stated in 2:30, more like almost 100W.
It's not 100% efficient so why the kill a watt reads around 105-110w . . .
@@Level1Techs I don't disagree, but magnetic connector should see no more than 100w, also you mentioned those specs just before the "north of" line, so that's what caught my attention.
laptops also have the advantage of having a battery connected
so u arent at risk of system crash due to momentary issues with wall power
all the mini pc is likely to have is a relativity small capacitor
at 100 watts the capacitance is not giving you much room for error
if you have wall power issues get an UPS
a ups is a good solution to issues with the power grid and power delivery up the socket ur plugging the power brick into. but if you run into the issue of the pc shutting down when you jiggle the power cord, its not going to help with that. its a super uncommon issue but i have encountered it a few times on desktop pc's when the user was using a cheap power cord the wasnt to spec and wasnt snug in the psu. tbh the biggest advantage of a proprietary power adapter is probably the very fact that it is proprietary - users cant use a cheap chinese replacement that isnt appropriate to the unit
@@marcogenovesi8570 Yes, miniminipc and huge ups!
Dang I misread the title, I thought this was an ATX power supply that had it's own mini PC inside that you could use on its own.
You could fit all of this inside a power supply shell, if you were willing to cannibalize it. Then it could look like you were gaming off just the power supply.
Could also use a rectangular "barrel" connector, like Lenovo uses. Prevents the user from rotating the power connector.
I love the Lenovo yellow rectangular connectors and I've seen adapters up to 300W. They can scale and been reliable for ages .
While I don't like proprietary power connectors, it has backup USBC PD. What are y'all's issue? 4:11
It doesn't work. I have it and others who bought the device also tried and complained in reddit. None of these UA-cam reviewers actually show it working with PD 3.0.
idk, I was going to comment against the whole device you mentioned it supports usb power delivery, to me the 19v custom connector is totally redundant and a cost that could have been cut.
Why not stick a second NVMe 4 drive in there like a WB Black 2tb or the other thing that I can't find info on is will this handle a 4tb NVMe drive? If your going to game you would most definitely want a second drive and knowing what the performance would have been like would have made this review more informative. Sadly almost every review that I've seen, NO ONE has done this. Yes it's mentioned it will take another drive but no one show this or the performance with a drive.
if USB-C PD is commonly available in 100W/20V5A what exactly prevents just running two in parallel for the
Looking up the AMD Radeon 780M build into this APU, it should support 8k60 AV1, 8k43 H.265, 4k175 H.264 De- and Encode. So with a good external USB capture card, they might make a good streaming PC? Small enough to fit inside the case of my gaming PC?
I think I could do without the proprietary power connector, and I don't quite get why they bothered. It has USB-PD(?) after all, and if they really wanted a power connector that doesn't block one of your high-speed ports, maybe that little bit of power filtering and a barrel jack would have sufficed like any other notebook/device? It can't be that expensive compared to the price of such a machine. Why reinvent the wheel? Ehh, doesn't really, matter though...
Good that they're trying to fix the power connectors but I don't buy the filtering excuse. They should actually have enough hold-up time to swap a connector. USB and barrel jacks would okay if they just recessed the port enough that it's impossible to exert any tangential force or torque on the connection e.g. SFP+ to chassis style. Or go full induction and charge through the desk
Meh still i would like a type C connector with 240 W
This sounds very close to the UM790 Pro design. I'll have to check if Wendel already looked at that to get a unified comparison.
Also I'm waiting for the price to see what we're working with because 100 watts is great
Barrel jacks beat magnetic anything any day. When they are threaded and lock. Fight me.
To avoid barrel jack turning , just add little stopper
Like sony mmcx connector on their headset
No excuse for using a non standard connector
I didn't see any literature on the type of HDMI, is it 2.1?
In the US, this power supply only has input voltage of 100-120v. This is a deal-breaker for me as I can't lug it around to EU and back.
I’m very concerned about the data retention of that QLC drive
Why?
@Wendell's mentions that the SER7 can be powered by USBC Power Delivery,
but I had no such success so far, even with powerful USBC power adapters.
So, is it really possible ? Anyone managed that ?
If yes, how to do it ?
Thank you so much for the update. Quick question, would you recommend it for heavy video and photo editing? (Photoshop, Affintify photo, DeVanci Resolve, Adobe Premiere) or would you suggest something else?
No. It's fine for light video editing.
Heavy video editing go with the M2 Mac Mini Pro, Mac Studio, or a tower desktop with Nvidia RTX 4080/4090.
I want to see beelink build a mini-pc that features a 6 core 12 thread am5 cpu with a dedicated amd GPU.... a proper mini-gaming machine. Even if the package ends up a little larger. Also faster memory support.
I agree. A socketed CPU capable of 65W and (ideally) a PCIe slot for a GPU would be quite nice. Even if the GPU is in an MXM format (less common but oh well), that would still enable a 12-core R9 7900 to be used in the machine, as well as whatever powerful GPU's laptops can handle now.
@@jamesbuckwas6575 minisforum makes one.... but its 7735 so its the am4 zen4 chip/refresh. I want 7740 in that scenario for zen5 am5
> USB to HDMI dongle
Just what I want, more dongles. Just give me HDMI and display ports.
I think two monitors is a decent amount to have without resorting to adapters from USB-C or dongles/docks. My similar issue though, is that there's only one USB 3.0 type-A port on the front, and the only rear ports run at USB 2.0 speeds. Having those 2.0 connectors run at 3.0 speeds or including two 3.0 ports on the back would make the IO go from okay to really good, in my opinion.
Give me versatile ports that I can adapt into whatever I want.
@@tim3172 Well there's already three USB-C ports that can be adapted into almost any other connector, so at that point, I would say it's important to strike a balance between the different types of users. Those being people like yourself who choose to adapt ports and customize the machine as they wish, and people like me and (presumably) the original commenter who would rather not use dongles and extra accessories to get the ports we want.
TLDR; There's something for everyone, except (personally) enough USB-A 3.0 ports.
Well my '18 coffee lake 9900k makes same numbers in cpu-z bench @5ghz + 3200mhz ddr4. So maybe comparable to 5 year old desktop systems and even then won't "run around" those systems either. What's really amazing is the power efficient on that small processor. 😮
how does it perform as a mini server ? plex ,jellyfin ?
How I can get a new magnetic cable supply? I need help :C pls
What is the big brother version of this mentioned near the end ?
GTR7 (or GTR7 PRO) ua-cam.com/video/yrTqoLlx9Fc/v-deo.html ?
can u recommend for trading and 4 hdmi monitors ?
It is the reason I am not buying this. Going for the venus instead
Is usb power delivery from this box also good for it getting power in over usb?
The USB-C is also a power port, if you connect a power supply it will run the PC
@@marcogenovesi8570 that makes it a bit better at least. The way it was worded was more that you could charge your phone/tablet/laptop from the USB port on the pc. Thnx for the answer
@@annebokma4637 yes it can do both.
Wasn't it VESA and not VISA?
Love my SER6 Pro. Just ordered 64 gigs of DDR5 5600 for it, should be here this weekend. These are a win.
since when do you use this machine?
@@snubdawg1386 I've had it for about 6 months I suppose. Maybe 8? It's fantastic.
I require 10g network connectivity for my homelab use case and seeing only 2.5gb NICs on amazing mini PC hardware hurts my soul. USB NICs are not an option for me.
I think I might cry if I see 5gbps NICs as the next "stop-gap".
Maybe you could aggregate/smb multichannel the two 2.5g nics into a virtual 5g
@@be-kind00 curse you! 😄😄
can it handle crucial p5 plus. pcie.4.0 660 mb/s ?? or it will run too hot for this mini pc ?????
I want a usb c powered version. Usb c from wall brick to usb c female inside the machine, no need to proprietary plugs
Is this channel supported by or sponsored by blink see so many videos with there products and other small form factor boxes
Hey, what is a "there product"?
Is that like a here product or a where product?
@@jefferyG499 ha ha got to love voice dictation
i find disappointing there are no disclosures from L1T.
ser7 vs gtr7 pro? .....i can get the ser7 for 750, the gtr7 pro for 1000bucks ....is it worthy?
I couldn't find anything about the audio or how many channels it has. If it is 5.1, I would conisder making it my home media center
it has stereo audio out with the headphone jack. And HDMI audio of course
Basically, all of the "tests" of these Mini PCs that come from Mini's forum, Beelink (well, actually they are almost all OEM devices, which then receive their logo from the distributor) etc. are just advertising videos. The manufacturers provide the UA-camrs with test devices and many UA-camrs then mention that they received a test product from the manufacturer, but would otherwise tell their honest opinion completely freely (no $$$ at all). Eh, no! You are dependent on the manufacturers who provide the test products. If you just think about it for a moment, it's clear that nearly all of the mini pc UA-camrs can't tell their opinion freely. And then it also explains the fact that almost nothing was mentioned about problems in all of the tests. They read the specifications and show that the device starts and passes a benchmark. And after the video -> is before the next video about the next mini PC. The previous device is forgotten.
If you then look around on Amazon and/or in various forums (e.g. Reddit r/MiniPCs), you will see that many users have massive problems after a few months and that the refund of the money or a replacement EMiniPC either does not work or takes months .
Any chance you could ask them to release a unit with ECC memory?
In-band or 80-bit?
@@shanent5793 I honestly don't care. There are so many SMB and hub offices that could operate with one of these mini-pcs and a USB-C drive bay for backups.
Raptor Lake-P devices can do in-band ECC: ASROCK Industrial has them in mini-PC, LattePanda has an SBC (Sigma). I'm sure if you bought enough of them Bee Link would enable traditional ECC in their Ryzen PC's if they don't already have it
@@shanent5793 Thanks for that but problem with buying these bulk or over $1000 has always been the customs import charges.
If I can buy a unit at a time and get the parts locally it's worth it for small businesses otherwise they run everything off a single pc until the inevitable happens.
While the Sigma does look interesting it's not 8/16 and those E cores don't work as well with virtualization.
@@ericneo2 I hope you enquire anyways so they know there's interest!
Legend has it that if you look hard enough you can see the four nanometers
Would this type of thing do well as a NAS/Home server running Linux?
I'm using an older 5800u version for just that purpose running TrueNAS scale, Jellyfin, and Home Assistant OS. You don't have enough drives for data protection/redundancy. I keep a backup of everything on an external USB drive.
If you want to do a raid set up... it'll take a bit of doing as far as connecting multiple drives, but for a very simple set up... sure.
Yes, I'm using a cheap n100 mini-PC running Ubuntu hooked up to a 4-bay DAS enclosure and it works great as a media server.
You might want to look up NAS Compares video "The Zimablade Review - Flexible, User Friendly AND Cheap...WHAT?"
I have a fun but involved idea, try replacing a cars on board computer with it.
if by "on board computer" you mean the entertainment system yeah sure. If you mean the ECU board controlling the engine and other components over the CANbus, no you cannot
Oh Boy! A mini-PC running Windows with a "lightning" cable for power. Just kidding! Your reviews are great - way over my head, but great! Just wanted to say thank you!"
Quick, let's force Apple to change power connectors.
I hate videos where I feel compelled to buy something that looks cool. Must resist.
The proprietary magnetic power supply is universally hated by consumers. You also cannot buy them separately from Beelink until your current one breaks. Saying it can be powered by USB PD is also false as many SER7 owners (myself included) have confirmed it. This strongly suggests you have not actually tested this option and just went with the specsheet.
These reviewers really need to actually test something before they say something. Otherwise, it's just misleading.
I need more info on this matter,
on this video's comment section, someone stated that it could run in a USB4 port(PD3.0 100W (20V5A)) for power supply, however, it's mandatory to set TDP from 65W to 54W in BIOS, which supports 20V/5A max.
could you also help me test it? I am planning to buy it if it works.
thanks in advance
If it had 7500 mem and pcie 5.0 oculink sold 😊
Proprietary anything is a no go... you can use usb4 to power this but not at full power... sigh... . Also I swear most reviewers are paid off by these companies, never any real criticism... always the best thing now. Thanks for some critical thoughts most do not cover.
Let's see the type c power it on ,really run it from type c
Truly Titillating
And i can't support this device because of the lack of driver support. It isn't so plug and play with the thunderbolt ports, all kinds of whacky stuff that these cpus need to address. AMD needs to catch up to Intel
Looks like you have slimed down a little. 😀
YOUR WRITES CAN'T EVER BE QUENCHED, CAN THEY?
WHEN WILL YOU LEARN? WHEN WILL YOU LEARN?
THAT YOUR TRANSFERS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!
Can confirm, Phoenix APU's get no driver support. 7640HS using Early 2023 drivers... Had to get modded drivers to get newer drivers, work just fine, AMD is stupid for this BS again like they where with 1st Gen Ryzen
no, no , nooo, no to any proprietary things they try to control us with it, there's standards and they should use standardized connectors only, if they have great new ideas they should make standard and then use it.
If you’re a neat person it shouldn’t matter
2556 in single GB6. Wow.
Wendell it’s small, but don’t try to convince me that’s 4 nanometres. Not unless you’ve shrunk.
Why do they need to go off the rails with the damn odd power connector....
What a pity. It is a nice device, but I can't buy it, because propietary power connectors are forbidden in my religion.
I'm also a believer of that religion
@@scarlet_phonavis6734 No they are not. You are confusing the connectors for modular cables and the connectors for the peripherals. The ATX 22 pin connector the 12v CPU and PCIe connectors and Sata/Molex are standard, you can swap any ATX PSU you want
@@scarlet_phonavis6734 also 99% of the PSUs modular?!?! pffffft
@@scarlet_phonavis6734 lol what
@@scarlet_phonavis6734 All that means is that the power supply CABLES cannot be transferred between different brands of power supply. The size and shape of the power supply, the power connectors for the motherboard/PCIe power, and the power cord from the wall outlet are all standard. The only difficulty that would arise is purchasing the correct power supply cables, and that's only if you lose them on a new unit anyway. And buying used PSUs is usually not recommended.
Please stop using thunderstorm sample as attention grabber at the end. For some of us, approaching storm is a big deal.
my Asrock Deskmini x300W with 5700g beats this thing... and with lower latency
Proprietary power connector = YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR EVEN CONSIDERING IT
Power connector is a stupid idea. Hope they use standard DC from here and abandon this. Maybe make and adaptor to convert that one to standard DC one.
No barebones version, no way. Not paying this kind of money for mediocre memory and qlc nand
Ser 7 - 5 months old is not receiving power - I do not know what to do - Bee link is the worst.
Another proprietary thing can't be a trend setter. They should of gone for type c
Absolutely Proprietary.
no. no no no no no no no no no no no. no.
The EU voted to have usb standard on all phones.
These types of connectors only mean more money for the manufacturer as if they break, they aren’t readily available.
All plugs and connectors have their bad points, but who cares as we have chosen the worst: usb- C
This video will age badly.
...and laptops have batteries.....
You made a video on the worst possible take lol
yea, sure !! use a noname random chinese pc maker for banking purposes, no thanks !!
They have trash support based on my experience, anyone who is looking into this. Do yourself a favor and get either nuc or something more reputable brand which will support the devices
Disappointed seeing this crap on L1T :(
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The main issue slowing down this machine in this test......WINDOWS.....I've got slower machines that have far better scores and much more power then this using Linux. Windows makes most PC's slow and sluggish as its such a sloppily built and programmed OS. I own a WIN MAX 2 Rizen 6800U which runs games like Sniper Elite 5 on High at 2k resolution very very well....on Manjaro.... Get rid of Windows on this machine and i bet it will go like stink......Gamers and Users....#windowssucksforeverythingthesedays
Y'all ridiculous
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Edit: not first.. I'm last 😿