How To Build an "Eye-Catching" Modern Mailbox

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  • @justinandjessdiy
    @justinandjessdiy  5 місяців тому +4

    Who has built this mailbox!? Comment below :)

    • @timharrison9104
      @timharrison9104 2 місяці тому

      Do you have a cut list available?

    • @LineberrySR
      @LineberrySR 4 дні тому

      Inspired by your video, I just completed my mailbox today. I sank my two posts into ground, 18” deep and applied concrete. I had a few deck boards left over from a different project, so I just used them. Only thing left now is to attach a face piece on the back side, then stain and waterproof it. Made a video short, so I’ll attach the link. Thanks again.
      ua-cam.com/users/shortsxgyrFa48dCk?si=iRVcYG5XSHbfYhcp

  • @raulmolina362
    @raulmolina362 Рік тому +47

    I would suggest you put numbers on the other side as well so it's visible to the postman as he approaches your box. Very nice design.

    • @PeteNice29
      @PeteNice29 7 місяців тому +7

      I can't believe they didn't do that

    • @compunurse
      @compunurse 6 місяців тому +4

      As someone who has driven an ambulance in the past, I can’t emphasize enough how important it is to have the house number visible from every direction.

    • @donaldredline975
      @donaldredline975 5 місяців тому +1

      I agree put numbers on both sides so it can be seen coming and going.

  • @harrisond8132
    @harrisond8132 Рік тому +23

    Nice job. The snow plows in my town would aim at it just cause it's so nice.

  • @larrybuckner8619
    @larrybuckner8619 Рік тому +28

    A festool track saw and a Ryobi miter box. Now that’s two completely different worlds.

  • @luislopez995
    @luislopez995 Рік тому +9

    Hi from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷..!!!!!
    As a Mailman I never thought I’ll see this ….
    Because a lot of people don’t take care of their mailboxes

    • @kelriv6712
      @kelriv6712 5 місяців тому +1

      Specially in PR, when I was growing up in Carolina I used to see them mailboxes hanging from the post with a wire or cord 😂

    • @eliasib2919
      @eliasib2919 Місяць тому

      Lol yo buscando hacer un mailbox en mi casa, y veo tu comentario de PR. Acá boricua igual!!!!!

  • @Speeglelookingglass
    @Speeglelookingglass Рік тому +6

    That's absolutely the best-looking mailbox surround that I have ever seen. You two are truly artists.

  • @ericedwards9658
    @ericedwards9658 Рік тому +17

    Looks great, two thoughts. 1. Would it have made sense to pour the concrete around the post and avoid having to use anchors? 2. When using rebar, it’s best to try and get it in the center of the pour. It’s a good idea to put something under it to hold it up off the bottom. 🙂

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому +5

      Thank you! And yes setting the post in concrete is another way. That seemed too permit to me lol and I will keep that in mind next time!

    • @jstar1000
      @jstar1000 Рік тому +7

      I would argue that if it was hit by a vehicle it would snap the wood and he would be screwed but the way it is it would just tear out of the brackets most likely and he could easily rebuild it if needed. I would do it his way to be honest. Some chicken wire would have been better then a single piece of rebar but its better then nothing I suppose. I also would have went bigger and deeper with the footing as if its hit the way it is it will probably just fall over with the concrete attached. I deep 3 foot hole pier with some rebar in it coming up to the base with chicken wire would have been best. If it is hit and what I said above happens then try the pier method on the rebuild.

  • @4Teresa4Ever
    @4Teresa4Ever 9 місяців тому +2

    Just came across you video while searching “how to build a mailbox”…and so happy I did! I hope to try this!

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  9 місяців тому +1

      Get it!!

    • @michaelwilliams3883
      @michaelwilliams3883 Місяць тому

      @@justinandjessdiy Had a house fire last year. As an added bonus, the fire department smacked into the mailbox and it was drooping ever closer to the street until it broke off. I chose this design to upgrade! Now, are those regular cedar fence boards for the siding pieces?

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Місяць тому +1

      @ sorry about your house 😞 but yes regular cedar fence boards, cheaper

  • @jeffgemignani7204
    @jeffgemignani7204 Рік тому +3

    Looks fantastic! Can you please share a link for that solar light you used?

    • @nvsalpha1856
      @nvsalpha1856 Рік тому +1

      Def interested in the solar light info as well!

  • @386joedaddy
    @386joedaddy 8 місяців тому +2

    Yeah..........I just finished my $450 with composite decking boards and aluminum caps that I bent at work attached with stainless clips i made as well to hide all fasteners, and counter flashed. Planter box with drain hidden through the structure. Low voltage lighting to light up the raised numbers on both sides, and interlocked all wooden structure together with glue and lags. It's stupid dope and I inspired my UPS dude as well.

  • @grumpywoodchucker
    @grumpywoodchucker Рік тому +1

    5:13 Aussie sighting! The mailbox turned out great!

  • @alexanderandrews7134
    @alexanderandrews7134 Рік тому +3

    We built one of these this past weekend. Came out great!

  • @MADMANmakes
    @MADMANmakes Рік тому +3

    Looks fantastic. Could you please post a link to the solar light?

  • @samanthashade4438
    @samanthashade4438 Рік тому +1

    Great outcome! Beautiful! It would have been great to show how the posts were attached.

  • @joshuar9938
    @joshuar9938 Рік тому +1

    I love how well it matches the house

  • @lauraharvey7424
    @lauraharvey7424 Рік тому +5

    Just had a question, while the concrete was still wet couldn’t you have inserted the hardware so you didn’t have to drill?? Looks amazing ❤

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      Yes you can def buy the hardware that will set in the concrete!

    • @Straight0uttaCrofton
      @Straight0uttaCrofton Рік тому

      yes. that's what the other channel that built this same thing two years ago did.

  • @vevespears
    @vevespears 6 місяців тому +1

    I love seeing projects like this… I want to upgrade my mailbox but I don’t have tools and I feel too lazy to do all the cutting on my own 😂 I’ll figure it out for sure

  • @arodriguez9484
    @arodriguez9484 5 місяців тому +1

    This came out so good. Thanks for sharing!

  • @johnmoody2042
    @johnmoody2042 Рік тому +2

    Unwarranted advice: i had trouble getting repeatable cuts on my miter saw until i started using stop blocks. I keep my miter saw on a mobile base so i can take it to a client's location so i just throw a sacrificial fence on the saw and clamp the stop block onto the fence. You get less tear out using the sacrificial fence so win win. Cheers

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      Yes a stop block is always beneficial! Ours stays in the truck most of the time for jobs too

  • @DebiGeeX
    @DebiGeeX Рік тому

    You got me at Desmond…a delightful sponsee indeed👍Great job on the Mailbox too👍😊

  • @Speeglelookingglass
    @Speeglelookingglass Рік тому

    Great plants. Grasses are so cool with the purple Verbenas. Cherry Laurel may become a giant. 😮

  • @fraserfab68
    @fraserfab68 Рік тому +3

    looks cool but I dont see it lasting very long being set only 3.5 inches deep. Wind and frost heave will be problem. Most posts are set at least 12" under ground. I go minimum 24" for lateral support.

    • @johnlee7085
      @johnlee7085 Рік тому

      Exactly. 3.5” isn’t a foundation. It’s a sidewalk. Even the old crappy mailbox had a one foot foundation. With as much face as this design has, I probably would have bent rebar into Els and built an inverted Tee foundation.

  • @lyfpulse
    @lyfpulse Рік тому +2

    Nice build! I would also add some sort of base and over coat to sustain the years of harsh weather.

  • @Bonezz024
    @Bonezz024 Рік тому +2

    Festool track and ryobi miter 🤯

  • @rachaelk8358
    @rachaelk8358 Рік тому +1

    That turned out so well. Desmond, you did a great job helping mom and dad. I have a similar plant like what you planted and it is a variety of Juncus.

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      Thank you! He did a very good job :)

    • @wizardmaster6639
      @wizardmaster6639 9 місяців тому

      Desmod is a dog - Humans are the owners or care takers - not the father and mother - If Desmond gets a tumor, the Human owners will humanely put him down - but if it was a CHILD to which they would be Mom and Dad, they would not make that decision, they would spend all their money including the new mail box to save the child and keep him/her alive. We all need to learn the difference - I have animals at home too -

  • @ReneOrtiz
    @ReneOrtiz 7 місяців тому

    Loved the video. Beautiful mailbox. I'm sure it adds GR8 curb appeal to your home. I have a question. Why use post base and wedge anchors instead of setting 4x4 in the cement base? Is there an advantage to doing one over the other?

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  7 місяців тому

      Just preference, thought it would be easier to make fine tune adjustments for the exterior trim

  • @AntneeGabiatti
    @AntneeGabiatti Рік тому +1

    How stable did it turn out to be? Seemed like the base was pretty shallow, Id think a good wind would blow it over. Love the look of it nice work!

    • @engrxtn
      @engrxtn Рік тому

      I’m going to do something similar but with 18”x24”x5.5” base…it uses about 4 bags of concrete so I should be good 🤣

  • @matulala2000
    @matulala2000 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this video. I have leftover composite decking and facia that I’m going to use to build the same design.

    • @rebeccagrube5206
      @rebeccagrube5206 8 місяців тому

      What would you do differently if using composite decking? No sanding or maintenance, I guess. Would everything else be the same?

  • @oh_look_bananas
    @oh_look_bananas 6 місяців тому +2

    Looks sturdy.

  • @richardbennett6237
    @richardbennett6237 Рік тому +4

    Nice box ! I would have put the numbers on the other side, for the mailman ... as he approaches the box, he would see the numbers. Unless of course the mailman doesn't have right-hand drive for curbside delivery. Good job! One thing I worry about tho ... it might be a wind-catcher; IOW's, it's not just a simple post, it's more like a wall, or a fence. Hopefully you don't have much wind where you are. You certainly did a lot more research, tho, than the average DIY mailbox-builder. Congratulations!

  • @Godislove225
    @Godislove225 3 місяці тому +1

    👍👍👌I'm also going to make my own mailbox. The one you made is really great.🙌🙏

  • @PurrrDie
    @PurrrDie Рік тому +1

    Are the cedar 1x6 or 1x4?! Thank you!!

  • @filamfamadventures1097
    @filamfamadventures1097 3 місяці тому

    Awesome I think I might take the time to build since someone ran over and broke the post of our current mailbox.

  • @Texas_handyman
    @Texas_handyman 6 місяців тому +1

    This was pretty awesome guys, best of luck!

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for watching!!

    • @Texas_handyman
      @Texas_handyman 6 місяців тому

      @@justinandjessdiy it was too good I had to subscribe, best of luck!

  • @colinmatthews3445
    @colinmatthews3445 Рік тому +1

    Looks good, how stable did it end up being? I would've been OCD and likely did some cross-bracing on the two posts since they would be hidden anyhow.

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      We thought about doing that! It’s good forward/backward, but side to side it’s got a little give

  • @jasoncreel6296
    @jasoncreel6296 Рік тому

    Was it very sturdy? Love the look and I just did the exact one but I found it kind of wobbly just using the post bases

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      it was at first but now that the concrete has cured and the soil has settled it's very sturdy.

  • @Jason-o5s
    @Jason-o5s 2 місяці тому

    Cheer~~~a large public box with a slot into which post is placed for collection by the post office😊

  • @jewdd1989
    @jewdd1989 Рік тому

    I love love love your gorgeous Aussie! He’s handsome as can be, I have a mini myself and had a standard male before he passed. Not everyone should own one because the amount of work they take but they’re worth it! Like the mail box but the glory goes to the Aussie hands down

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      They are SOOO much work! But it totally worth it, he's the best :)

  • @AngelMVega-qh3uf
    @AngelMVega-qh3uf Рік тому +1

    You guys did s super, beautiful cool 😎 job, keep it going 👏👏👏

  • @Benny8903
    @Benny8903 Рік тому

    I love your new mailbox. I have been looking for ideas because I'm changing up my front yard and need to move the mailbox and this one is great!

  • @aco3495
    @aco3495 Рік тому

    Looks great, what solar light did you use for the numbers on the mailbox? Thank you

  • @davidriblet9300
    @davidriblet9300 7 місяців тому +1

    wow looks amazing

  • @MrMikeD28
    @MrMikeD28 8 місяців тому

    Do you have electricity out at the mailbox? How did you run the corded power tools?

  • @chuck5570
    @chuck5570 Рік тому

    Really nice Job!! There is so much you could do with that design...like putting a wood burning design on the bottom or putting an oval metal inlay there...the list is endless. Thanks for the idea!! (It looks great just the way it is Too!!)

  • @2nd2nun
    @2nd2nun Рік тому +1

    Looks awsome. I live in south so i dont have to worry about these snow plow everyone in comments are talking about 😂😂😂

  • @tweston315
    @tweston315 Рік тому

    Great job ° I have all of my materials and I hope to have it completed in the next few days 😀

  • @kellee6551
    @kellee6551 Рік тому

    Nicely done. Curious if you will have Numbers on the opposite side for those people coming from the "wrong" direction? Or are you on a one way street? Thumbs up

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      Thank you!! Just on the one side since we are in a dead end

  • @albertofinalet4521
    @albertofinalet4521 9 місяців тому

    Hello, excellent work, please where you bought the rechargeable light, thank you very much.

  • @jermopp
    @jermopp 8 місяців тому

    How is it holding up? I always see people say wood shouldn't touch the ground. I wanna do this but worried of wood rot

  • @johnmoody2042
    @johnmoody2042 Рік тому

    Casually whips out a festool track saw for rip cuts. I like it, Justin!
    Edit: Loved the sponsored plug. That's genius!

  • @DanielUriostegui-g1i
    @DanielUriostegui-g1i 9 місяців тому

    Question, so for the wood is that treated for outside or just regular cedar wood

  • @tonydryden3260
    @tonydryden3260 Рік тому +1

    I saw that you used a solar light! Can you post the link?

  • @Itsreallymarcus
    @Itsreallymarcus Рік тому +2

    Next time pour a Little concrete, then lay your rebar.. or block it and tie it so it’s floating and ends up in the Moshe of the slab. Also just put a moisture sleeve on the 4x4 and sink it right into the concrete and avoid those silly anchors lol
    On the note of using cedar pickets , you should def put an oil finish or a finish in general on it or it will be solid gray by this time next year and look 100 years old lol

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      Thanks for the tips!

    • @Artsylady2030
      @Artsylady2030 6 місяців тому

      I agree about putting the post into the concrete....I was wondering why he used those silly anchors....I wouldn't want to deal with all that ......

  • @jimgordon2399
    @jimgordon2399 Рік тому

    Awesome mailbox! I have a two and a half year old lilac Border Collie,Duke looks a lot like Desmond,such cool dogs.

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому +1

      Thank you! I bet Duke is a cutie 🥰

    • @jimgordon2399
      @jimgordon2399 Рік тому

      @@justinandjessdiy He is quite the character! Thanks for the reply and have a great weekend.

  • @_Rick_S
    @_Rick_S Рік тому

    That's really cool looking. I have a crappy mailbox, I also have 4x6 treated posts and probably 60 cedar fence pickets out in the garage, hmm... 😆

  • @anitasmith7764
    @anitasmith7764 Рік тому

    I’m sure your sweet little dog will “christen”the new mailbox and show his support! 😂 or my dog would!!🤣🤣🤣! Looks great btw!

  • @effinericsloan
    @effinericsloan Рік тому

    i like this im gonna have to do the same thing. thanks for the idea!

  • @rosegarchow8642
    @rosegarchow8642 6 місяців тому

    Is the postman vehicle able to get close without hitting the end of that structure?

  • @MorningInAmerica_Nov_5_2024

    Very nice! I had one of these built last year + a matching fence. I've had so many compliments, but the truth is, y'all's design looks a little better! If I'd seen this one first, I would probably have requested this model.
    I used the exact same numbers, but I put them on both sides. Also, I mounted them horizontally instead of vertically. If you haven't already, be sure to treat the wood so that it doesn't turn gray. Gray doesn't jibe with that mid-century vibe. 😉
    BTW, love that dog. 🥰🐾

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      Yes we will eventually put a finish on it!, Thank you for watching!

    • @corystuard6251
      @corystuard6251 Рік тому

      @@justinandjessdiy J&J, great work! I work mostly with Cedar and have some experience in testing different stains that withstand UV rays, rain..ect. If i may make a suggestion, Vermont Natural Coatings (Amazon) has by far outperformed all others in the hot TN sun.

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      @@corystuard6251 awesome we will check that out, thank you!!

  • @Brian-dh2zz
    @Brian-dh2zz Рік тому

    Any reason why using mailbox post spikes instead of pouring a concrete footing wouldn't work just as well for this project? I'm considering trying this unless there's a downside that I'm not considering.

  • @melanatedchakra4626
    @melanatedchakra4626 Рік тому

    I love your ideal for the mailbox. I will be using this

  • @stevekane615
    @stevekane615 Рік тому +1

    Really nice job

  • @BarbaraCJ
    @BarbaraCJ Рік тому

    Question, from which side the USPS truck is coming from? Number seems to be in the back....

  • @allthewayup3187
    @allthewayup3187 4 місяці тому

    Good job guys

  • @MistaSCARY
    @MistaSCARY 6 місяців тому

    Looks Amazing 🤩. Put some Spar Urethane on it to protect the wood from the elements. Nice job! 👍🏻

  • @chrisscott8604
    @chrisscott8604 Місяць тому

    I am building a similar mailbox. Could I ask what size numbers you used?

  • @elainerussell924
    @elainerussell924 Рік тому

    That's good a new target for the snow plows !😬

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому +1

      Good thing we don’t have snow plows 👏🏻

    • @kimberlyjordine8115
      @kimberlyjordine8115 Рік тому

      ​@@justinandjessdiy yes it is, because that would have been a waste of time and money, been there, put mine in a 5 gallon bucket and buried the bucket, the snow plows have no mercy, or the drivers make bets on how many they can destroy! 👍

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      @@kimberlyjordine8115 oh no!! Yea I can see how that’s possible if a place gets snow that covers the mailbox!

    • @kimberlyjordine8115
      @kimberlyjordine8115 Рік тому

      @@justinandjessdiy lake affect snow from Lake Michigan, a lot of it and wet!

  • @tracycrispino3446
    @tracycrispino3446 Рік тому

    Teamwork, great job guys!

  • @minipham6524
    @minipham6524 7 місяців тому

    you make seem so hard and complicated, but it look nice .. actually extremely easy to do

  • @carloscorea439
    @carloscorea439 5 днів тому

    What size cedar fence pickets do I need?

  • @garyjackson16
    @garyjackson16 Рік тому

    Great job i need to fix mine now lol I give it a 11

  • @susanpeterson9558
    @susanpeterson9558 Рік тому +1

    ❤ it, I'm redoing my mailbox, and thanks for the inspiration. I'm using reclaimed wood to give it a unique look. Can't wait to start today. Your inspector did a great job!😊

  • @animeminder1
    @animeminder1 Рік тому

    Is the numbers on the right side of the mailbox ? isopposite

  • @harlowhahn7582
    @harlowhahn7582 3 місяці тому

    What solar lite did u use

  • @kristietan5089
    @kristietan5089 9 місяців тому

    I'm doing something similar but I'm putting the post in concrete - not doing the pad.

  • @ju7062
    @ju7062 10 місяців тому

    Very Very nice !!! Im going to so the same thing ❤🎉

  • @Robbry
    @Robbry 10 місяців тому

    Can you post a link for the solar lights you used? Thanks so much!

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  10 місяців тому

      Yes they are threshold brand from target! We also put some from Amazon in the description!

  • @cefgil3905
    @cefgil3905 Рік тому

    Very cool! Hope your channel gets to one of views!

  • @MickelMart
    @MickelMart 2 місяці тому

    Went full Office Space on that old mailbox. 😂

  • @ceasewatercolorarts
    @ceasewatercolorarts Рік тому

    I like it. My mailbox is in my neighbor's yard, so I have to ask before doing anything.
    But, FYI, your neighbors probably would love for you to put the dog inside while you're using your nailer. I would.

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      He’s the best behaved dog in the neighborhood trust me

  • @eduardonieto2355
    @eduardonieto2355 5 місяців тому

    That is cool my friends.
    👍🇺🇲👍🇺🇲👍

  • @Chaisson377
    @Chaisson377 Рік тому

    How many fence pickets did you need?

  • @arcangelmicheal1
    @arcangelmicheal1 Рік тому +1

    What about the 24" requirement into the ground?

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      As far as we understand, that’s only if your setting post

  • @JoannaMuse
    @JoannaMuse Рік тому

    Fill in the wasp nest entrance hole and you'll be golden 😊

  • @fran1395
    @fran1395 5 місяців тому

    That was fun . Thanks

  • @rickycruz3891
    @rickycruz3891 7 місяців тому +1

    What the inches on the number?

  • @spghost4135
    @spghost4135 Рік тому

    What is the light you used above the numbers?

  • @jrabbit4404
    @jrabbit4404 11 місяців тому

    Great work - I want to do this!!

  • @Bunefoo401
    @Bunefoo401 Рік тому +1

    This looks fabulous …. and this comment is totally based on the destructive nature I sometimes see … but sitting on a platform of concrete, looks easy to tip over. You could see little wobble as you power nailed on the side. If it was me, I would have gone down a foot or so with the concrete … but again … I didn’t even want to say anything, this looks so awesome

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому +1

      No you’re completely right! Once we put the soil and some rock down it definitely weights it down

    • @isaacellis9229
      @isaacellis9229 Рік тому

      I agree my first thought was with time ground movement and wind with the hight of the flat structure will start leaning farther and farther. But it looks great

  • @garagedad103
    @garagedad103 8 місяців тому

    Hi, which gauge of nails are u using??

  • @Jeremy-vz9gr
    @Jeremy-vz9gr Рік тому

    What was the light you added above the numbers called?

  • @XellosMetallium
    @XellosMetallium Рік тому

    i saw somebody with this design mail box. in side of the mailbox (i deliver mails) they have electrical parts there. i guessed the numbers light up at night because they have solar panels sticking out of the woods

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому +1

      We thought about doing some type of batter powered LED, but solar works just fine! That area gets a lot of sunlight

  • @15DurangoRT
    @15DurangoRT 4 місяці тому

    When you were putting the numbers on it it looked kind of wobbly.

  • @thomaszarnoth1436
    @thomaszarnoth1436 Рік тому

    Excellent job!

  • @karigarmedia5421
    @karigarmedia5421 Рік тому

    Nice idea,thanks

  • @soldierscraft9213
    @soldierscraft9213 8 місяців тому

    What was the cost of the whole thing including mailbox?

  • @brandentoomey5335
    @brandentoomey5335 4 місяці тому

    We need to link for that solor light 😅

  • @wayneeden98
    @wayneeden98 8 місяців тому

    I've seen a handful of ideas, I kinda like yours better

  • @onetakeadventureswithjoeld4679

    I have always had a theory . If The mailbox is nice and attractive , Then so is everything in the house ! Joel in Florida .

  • @chrisgraham2904
    @chrisgraham2904 Рік тому

    It's a nice modern design, but my only concern with it so close to the driveway, is the visual obstruction it creates as a flat, solid panel that could obstruct vision when backing out of the driveway.

    • @justinandjessdiy
      @justinandjessdiy  Рік тому

      Great observation! Definitely depends on the drive I would say, and for us it’s just short enough to still be able to see ☺️