The End of an Era... Cedar Fair no more!
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- If you would’ve asked me, I never would have thought that both Cedar Fair and Six Flags would be merging, essentially creating one of the largest theme park corporations on the planet. Well, here we are in the present day, and this notion is just right around the corner. A little over a week ago, Cedar Fair and Six Flags announced that their merger date was set for July 1st. Both companies will become one, and the Cedar Fair name will be put out to pasture...
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This new company basically is Cedar Fair, almost all the top positions are made up of Cedar Fair executives
They are also keeping the CF name on all the corporate finance books, and keeping the Cedar Fair stock symbol ("FUN").. So to ME, the only thing that is Six Flags is the sign out on the road..
@@jefflong1799that’s a pretty big friggin sign
Cedar Fair also seems to know how to run their parks properly. As a former ride op at Canada's Wonderland, I can attest to that
Which is the only saving grace to this merger is that Cedar Fair will mostly be in control
Six flags is well known everyone has herd of six flags if you ask most people if they heard of cedar Fair I'm sure most would say no it's all down to marketing
I definitely prefer the Six Flags name. The idea of the season pass for all of their properties would be amazing. Ultimately great news that Cedar Fairs CEO is taking over the merger and becoming the CEO of Six Flags. Maybe we'll start to see some unique flare come to each of the Six Flags parks.
Not while Selim is the executive chairman. That trumps the CEO.
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Cedar Fair + Six Flags = Cedar Flags 😂😂
or six fairs
I've been saying this too, lol
6 points…Star of David logo?
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@@revivedblue LOL than I could see them selling off all but their 6 biggest properties and say "we're Six Fairs!".
I disagree what you said about the Six Flags being seen as the discount chain. That's only really with enthusiasts - 99% of six flags' guests are the GP who actually have positive connotations with the six flags brand, while they may never have heard of cedar fair before.
That's exactly what I was thinking too. Nobody I talk to knows what a Cedar Fair is, but everybody knows Six Flags, even if they have no interest in amusement parks, and they think very highly of Six Flags, except for some enthusiasts.
This is just straight up not true LOL
What you're saying about six flags parks all being practically the same doesn't matter at all to non-enthusiasts. The general public (who make up almost all of the parks income), are only ever visiting their home park.
The whole Six Flags brand is tacky and the theming in their parks is hideous. Customer service and guest experience is always terrible at every single one of their parks. I can't think of any easier way to devalue a park's image than to have "Six Flags" posted over the entrance gate.
The last Six Flags Park I was at, I had to wait over an hour in customer experience in a line that only had one attendant.
I disagree. Most guests have never been to more than one SF park, and couldn’t care less what a Cedar Fair is
@@Johnnyiswhere I've been to 3. Six Flags parks and 7 Cedar Fair parks. I cut my teeth on Six Flags Over MId-America, and it holds a special place in my heart, but CF>SF and it's not even close. I also hate the DC Comics branding of Six Flags. I really don't like Peanuts either, but I don't feel them so much in my face if I stay out of the kids' section at CF.
I'd also like to point out that just because a few Six Flags parks have offered bad experiences to not mean all of them do. I've been to 5 of them so far and all 5 have been run pretty differently.
@@OutlawRunnerSDC I’m so glad this snobby, anti six flags stuff is about to come to an end. All the same company baby!
Very well done video!!
Still can't believe this merger is happening... 🤯
I was a shareholder for Cedar Fair and voted for this merger. This is actually a very good move for both companies. Personally, I feel like the best parts of each company will stay and the bad parts will be no more. I can’t wait to see what improvements this brings to the lower tier parks in both chains, because that is a big focus
@@aleksthevoyager1260 there was no vote from Cedar Fair unitholders. Only SIX shareholders voted on the merger
@@aleksthevoyager1260 That's very true... Good points!
This ismt going to be good in the long run, my home park six flags st louis will get phased out.
The only people who associate Cedar Fair with amusement parks are the knowledgeable ones like you. To the average consumer, Six Flags is much better known as an amusement park company.
I really dont think this shouldve been done, it removes the personality of the invdividual parks and chains
How? Nothing has happened yet…😂
I doubt that I'll ever get used to saying "Six Flags Knott's Berry Farm".
And I really hope it never gets named that :)
I’m sure they’re gonna only call it “Knott’s Berry Farm: A Six Flags Park”
"Six flags berry farm"
Yuckk don't even mention that sentence
Thats the one park that better not get six flags... knotts is something special
The important thing is that Six Flags is synonymous to theme parks as Nintendo is to video games.
Though, people think of the "Nintendo" name with fondness, Six Flags not so much
@@XscreamThrillsI disagree. Outside the enthusiast bubble, Six Flags is quite popular. All they need is to bring more quality to the name. Similar to what CF did with former Paramount properties
@@Johnnyiswhere That's b/c they haven't been anywhere. I know people that only went to SF park b/c they live in Texas., They went to Cedar Point and Kings Island on my recommendation and next time I talked to then, they commented how low quality SF was in comparison in every way. People that go to other park chains other than SF don't regard them highly GP or enthusiasts.
I disagree people across the country hear six flags and think of fun and fright fest. It really is only seen as bad in enthusiasts eyes @@XscreamThrills
Cedar Fair is running the show. These videos about this subject is getting stupid. No such thing as Six Flags Kings Island or Batman Cooperhead Strike. Six Flags is going to be ran like a Cedar Fair parks each park will have its own personality.
This guy: "Cedar Fair is no more"
Attraction Ideas: "Six Flags is dead as we know it"
*WHICH ONE IS IT?*
Both the same thing, just different way of putting it :)
you know the cedar fair fans are mad over this but let's be real about this if you ask anyone who owns kings island or carowinds that's the GP by the way, they would say cedar point but if you tell them it's own by cedar fair they'll ask "where is cedar fair?" since all of the cedar fair parks are not named cedar fair sandusky, or cedar fair kings island, etc and ever if they did change to that Six flags would still be the stronger name regedless of the outcome of the merge.
Now with this marge I do hope the is change in the six flags park and but also the know what each chain has the strengths points are and their weak points are and take notes like atmosphere of the six flags parks being different like the cedar fair parks that is something i would like to see with this merger.
That’s the nice thing about cedar fair parks their corporate name isn’t forced down your throat every park feel unique plus I work at kings island and cedar fair is literally printed on our shirts so people see it
I think Cedar Fair will find it has saddled itself with a whole rodeo of trouble.
Cedar Fair is no more
Growing up in NE ohio, Cedar Fair has a special place in my heart. Sure, a lot of people blame them for killing the park of my childhood, but I have always given them a pass on that, in large part because at least they weren't six flags. I was pretty bummed when I first heard about the merger, I was worried about the soul of the company and stuff. Honestly though, as much as we might not want to admit it, in the end both companies are giant corporations whose main goal is to grow and provide returns for shareholders. So far cedar fair has just been the better of the two at doing so in a way that feels less tacky, if a little bland at times. Heres to hoping the whole thing doesn't go butt up, but also knowing that if it does, it's not the end of the world.
One thing that was nice was that since six flags was so popular, on the weekdays in summer, lines were really short
3:43 I just thought of something. Dominator at KD could be renamed back to its original name at Geauga Lake. Remember it was called Batman: Knight Flight at geauga lake
I could see some of the lower tier parks getting the Six Flags name attached to them but I hope they don't do that with all their parks (especially with Knotts Berry Farm and California's Great America being located pretty close to Six Flags Magic Mountain and Six Flags Discovery Kingdom).
I think it would be cool if they did park passes, regional passes and then a big chain wide pass for all of the parks. I just kind of doubt that they'll do a chain wide pass that's really affordable for most people.
The other approach would be to simply charge more for the chain wide pass in regions that have multiple parks in relatively close proximity but still keep the price somewhat low. But if a single chain wide pass ends up costing $400+ per year, it'd be nice to have a cheaper pass for people who aren't planning cross country trips to get in to several nearby parks.
Nice video! I don't get the people who say its a monopoly, theres still palace, hershend, universal, disney, seaworld parks, and a ton of independent parks.
Two questions. First, will my Cedar Fair All Park Passport still get me into the Cedar Fair parks for the remainder of the season, or will it no longer be usable? Second, will my Six Flags Plus pass get me into all Cedar Fair parks along with the Six Flags parks, or does that not start until next year?
Lol..why the hell would your Cedar Fair passport not work at CF parks? No, SF passes aren't working at Cedar Fair parks.
@grobble8954 Because I was worried that once the merger is complete and Cedar Fair no longer exists, a Cedar Fair pass of any kind would no longer work as a result. At that same time, I also wondered if a Six Flags pass would work for all previous Cedar Fair parks now that they're officially Six Flags parks.
Hope Cedar Fair can fix Six Flag's problems.
Hopefully they can look at sfmm and fix it like a resort more than just an amusement park to atleast compete with disney n universal
Hell, get all coasters open for a day and it will be an improvement
@danielflood3930 few coasters is good with me but imeant the buildings that are inside the park and the front entrance
Over here in Illinois I'm hoping the theming comes back to Great America
@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois that's good but you guys have a beautiful park One of my favorite sixflags parks
@@Paulstar8004 Thanks! But I feel it can be better, back when Six Flags cared, they had Disney levels of detail and I need that back, alongside general park beautification
Cedar Flags. That's what I'm going to refer to the company name.
The two Great America's will be back under one company again. At least for a short time, until Santa Clara is expected to close.
First 9/11, now this. Can we catch a break?
Cedar Flags. Problem solved.
That sounds horrible
@@alecscheerer2329Six Pionts?😉
0:35 And that's why they didn't ask you. With all due respect from an outsider.
Barely anybody (outside of theme park enthusiasts) know the name 'Cedar Fair'. Meanwhile, everybody and their mothers know the name 'Six Flags'.
I've been thinking... what would stay and why? Looney Tunes or Peanuts?
July 1st is when im going to great adventure
New law in New Jersey: You are required to ride Nitro at least twice.
But realistically it doesn't matter if each park feels different. Don't most parks get most of their visitors locally? If a ride is good quality there is no reason why it cannot be duplicated at several parks to save costs as the chain can buy in bulk. Problem with six flags is they were adding cheap clones to every park, the quality wasn't there.
That’s just a lazy way of doing things because in reality most of these people do travel to other parks
@@cosmic4791 Maybe be lazy but cost effective. I don’t have the data but they say 90+% of visitors are local and do not travel to other parks. That’s why enthusiasts call them GP. But they do make the bulk of customers.
@@troyvsc I work at kings island and I can assure you a lot of our visitors like a large majority go to every park with a 5 hour radius of our park
Im only upset because the Six Flags ratchets will now be at the Cedar Fair parks line jumping, leaving trash everywhere and just all around being disrespectful and immature.
Its already there at some of the parks, but Cedar Fair doesn't tolerate as much as a Six Flags park
@@XscreamThrills Knotts Berry Farm has left the chat
@@Johnnyiswhere Criminy when I was at Knott's near new year's, Ghostrider took 4 HOURS to get through the line because there was so much line jumping and godawful operations. Security was completely overwhelmed, and ride ops was putting an entire train of fastpass on, then more than half the train was fastpass, before they let any of the standby in, and were very slow to load people and send trains. Standby was going 1/4 to 1/5th as fast as it should go BEFORE the line jumping. And when we commented that saving spots for groups was line jumping, EVERYONE around got pissy with US. Worst ops, worst clientele I have ever seen at a cedar fair park.
@@XscreamThrills They’ll probably keep mostly CF guest code of conduct.
July 1st, eh? Something tells me there are good fortunes for Canada's Wonderland and La Ronde... I hope as a local
Canadas Wonderland project 2025 coaster will be a Premier roller-coaster. They are doing major work right now for that and what they will be doing in 2026. Major electrical and plumbing buildings are being constructed. La Ronde, who knows. Same thing with Darien Lake, they honestly should mothball it.
I am just glad Cedar Fair is taking charge! Especially with Zimmerman as CEO!
I totally disagree with your statement that their parks blend together. The name, the superhero ride obsession and the Batman:The Ride clones appearing at many parks are the only similarities I've seen at Six Flags parks. I get a similar atmosphere at ValleyFair and Worlds of Fun - AMUSEMENT PARK! Guess what? They're ALL amusement parks with similar atmospheres. And I LOVE AMUSEMENT PARKS! The only fear is the monopoly will lead to fewer additions and innovation in the future and possibly sale of the parks corporate sees as underperforming, like Six Flags did with AstroWorld and CedarFair did with Geauga Lake.
Hopefully I don’t lose my legacy diamond elite membership 😮
I'm sure any changes to the season passes won't happen until next year, but yeah, this might be the end of the membership program
I think they would have kept the cedar fair name if there weren’t parks called six flags.
I’m just hoping that they’re willing to work with Intamin, especially with how much they evolved
I don’t think they will ever rename the cedar fair parks, at least not their big 6
All i hope is that they don't over advertise or show off the whole merger or the company being called "Six Flags". I really don't want to have to go to Cedar Point and all of thoose Cedar Fair signs saying "Sux Flags". My one last hope being that they keep their DC themes to the og Six Flags parks and keep the Peanuts at the og Cedar Fair parks.
Uh typo I mispellt Six flags
Cedar fair is calling all the shots but keeping the six flags name
I think everyone will have to accept a new identity of six flags
They have a bad track record but with cedar fair taking more control over the company the only bad thing currently is the bad reputation the six flags name already had
They’ll have more money this way, and maybe they can make a park with themed rides instead of just cookie-cutter-coasters. Even if the ride layouts are good, I’d rather go to a Universal Park because they have unique and imaginative rides that are a nice visual experience and thrill experience.
Six flags ruined my home park of six flags Ohio
Rip Geauga lake
Im surprised this is allowed. It's a monopoly. And Six Flags is financially mismanaged.
Compard to Disney? They're small in comparison.
@@trevonpernell0814 correct Me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Disney own only a handful of theme parks?
@@benlowe578 WAY MORE than a handful. Same thing with Universal. Both of them separately DWARFS the attendance of a combined Six Flags-Cedar Fair.
@@benlowe578yea, just a slightly smaller amount of theme parks with astronomically larger attendance.
Oh and they also own several music and movie studios including Marvel, Lucasfilm, and Pixar, one of the big 4 networks in the U.S ABC, several cable channels including espn, fox sports network, and sky. They also own GoPro and Hulu. I could go on.
Six flags isn’t rlly close to a monopoly. They’re consolidating which isn’t always great for consumers but mega corporations like Disney own wayyy more than you realize.
Ugh, This isn't a monopoly, lol. Universal, Disney, Busch Gardens, SeaWorld, Premier Parks, and Herschend Entertainment are all American theme park companies. It's far from being a monopoly.
This is going to end poorly. Wait and see.
And crickets when it comes to Darien Lake
not necessarily, mind Eraser is confirmed to get new trains next year
@FryGuy909 park needs more than a makeover to Mind Eraser, especially with the big projects across the border at Wonderland coming in the next few years
Agree 100% the Six Flags name should have been ditched.
Six Flags is a far more stronger name/brand. No one outside of enthusiasts know what Cedar Fair is
@@alecscheerer2329 True. But everyone outside of and including enthusiasts know Six Flags is poorly run and synonymous with bad experience. Should have went with Cedar Fair or something new.
Michigan adventure 😭😭😭😭
Michigan's Adventure is a world class waterpark with a small amusement park attached. If they were to bring up the amusement park to the quality of the waterpark they could make it a destination, especially because western Michigan on Lake Michigan is just as beautiful as Lake Erie and Sandusky.
As a shareholder, this is actually very good
I don’t like six flags after what they did with Kentucky Kingdom
4:00 BOTH CedarFair and SixFlags as we know it are both gone.
The new company would be more Cedar Fair than Six Flags as Cedar Fair executives make up most of the top positions
Should have been named Six Fairs 😥
It's just another Monopoly.....so it will eventually suck.
The name should have been cedar flags
You just said it cedar fair leans in with the peanuts ip they will definitely do that with all the IPs six flags have right now and all other IPs they can get from relationships with Warner bros and if you saw the fright fest announcement looks like they are getting good connections with them working with Netflix and other big horror studios think all the parks by 2026 will have something announced with expanding/ introducing new IPs for all parks
Top Thrill 2? More like STOP Thrill 2 😅😅
*crickets*
Oh
Wait is cedar point still ganna be called cedar point?
I wouldn't mind them themeing all the Cedar Fair rides tbh. I miss the theming at Kings Island that was there before Cedar Fair purchased it. And it would be a potential of bringing them more money. More people would be interested in riding Superman than they would the Maverick, simply because of the name. Yeah I get that you love the Maverick as is, but the ride would still be there. It would just be a more lucrative version. Because let's be honest... you're still going to ride it either way. lol
Dang it, Six Flags sucks. The name sucks, the brand sucks. Cedar Fair has a reputation of clean, well ran, diverse parks with world class attractions. Why would they throw that away?
@@alecscheerer2329 You sound like an ultra Six Flags defender. What's your point pal?
@@alecscheerer2329 Anybody that goes to other chains knows SF is low end. I know people that lived only where SF parks were nearby. They went to Cedar Point & Kings Island on my recommendation & commented they had know idea how low end SF was in comparison to Cedar Fair. People that think Sf isn't trash just haven't been anywhere or have low standards b/c they want Dollar Store experience b/c they value cheapness over quality.
@@alecscheerer2329 Whooooa there buddy. I'm not mad at all but it appears you may be. Because I think Cedar Fair is far superior compared to Six Flags, and pray to God that the CF parks strays from adoptting SF ways doesn't mean I'm mad! Matter of fact, your response was a bit strong and emotional and to assume I'm mad is dumb logic. I don't have to like this merger to think it could potentially be good for both sets of parks, I actually hope it is and think it will be. Simply saying "SF" sucks (which it does) means nothing. That's like, my opinion man. Calm down there bud.
@@grobble8954 SF is terrible. Hopefully with the CF leadership still in place, this can be a win/win. We shall see.
@@alecscheerer2329 No, I'm not mad actually, as I explained earlier. Why do I not like Six Flags? Because I'm spoiled by Cedar Fair. You can INSTANTLY tell the difference in quality in employees, rides, food, games, etc when you walk into a CF park compared to a SF park. DC theming is cheesy and cheap. I don't want to see CF rides turned into marketing for DC. It's that simple. Liking something or not liking something is subjective, you know. I'm glad you simp for SF, I'll continue to simp for CF. No need to get snippy about it man. Cool your heels.
Should have kept cedar fair and kept parks original names
Cedar fair is name of company not individuals parks named
Cedar Fair legacy parks names aren't changing, that has been states by Zimmerman several times.
six flags over Ohio
Not six flags ohio again....
I hope current Six Flags parks such as; Great Adventure, Fiesta Texas, Magic Mountain (perhaps even Riverside?) could drop the current Six Flags Titled name, and rebrand as “a Six Flags Park” and possibly see some of the lower tear Cedar Fair parks become something like Six Flags Michigans Adventure or so?
I'm so excited to get back to Six Flags Cedar Point to ride Milleniu I mean Goliath. Superman Shoot I Forgot My Wallet The Ride. And can't forget Rapt, sorry, Batman The Not Cloned Ride.
I stopped going to parks like this around 10 years ago because of the amount of money they’ve been losing. Which in turn leads to poor maintenance in rides, ride parts being replaced with cheap non manufactured brand versions, staff being inadequately trained for safety and a lower number of staff in general, etc… This all leads to the rides being less smooth, less safe, and a worse experience overall. Disney and Universal actually make profit allowing them to maintain the highest quality of rides, staff, and overall experience. For example, Hagrids in FL cost 300 million dollars to make and years later Universal is spending millions on making the rides maintenance building bigger to improve the queue times for guests. Parks like Six Flags could never, and have so many ride related incidents, yet will never reach attendance numbers like Disney and Universal.
I just looked it up, cedar fair will own more than six flags (cedar fair has 51.2% and six flags has 48.8%, so there’s nothing really to be worried about, cedar fair is obv gunna be six flags, but since they merged, bad six flags parks like Six flags Darien lake, might get some new coasters.😊
I have to preface the fact that six flags only has this negative view in the eyes of enthusiasts. The mast majority of guests donr care and still see six flags as a luxury. And its a prominent name in the industry much more than cedar fair.
I still think this will backfire. Feel like them adding new rides to outdo each other will not happen as ofren
You right now they have to make rides and events to try to compete with the better theme parks now so I don’t think it would backfire
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If they change fury325 to Goliath or super man. I will be mad
batman 305 😭😭😭
@@coastercreation nooooooooooo
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We should outlaw corporate conglomerates like this, in my opinion. It may not matter that much or be a huge issue in this industry, that's more regional based. But every other industry where there's only a few competitors? It's the modern day monopoly. At my core, I almost never like when corporations combine. And I don't see any benefit to the consumer in this deal. Not that that is the point. It's all about growth.
Mostly all the parks you mentioned are not cedar fair parks, cedar fair bought them n destroyed them all. I hate cedar fair they have destroyed my favorite parks and Rollercoasters. I remember when Dorney was hot not any more. But I guess you are young and have nothing to compare it too. That horrible company took my favorite coaster at Dorney a 14 year old wooden coaster that the family had built named Hercules and destroyed it. After they closed it they still lit the chaser lights to entice people to get off of the turnpike and go. They have destroyed every park they acquired. I hate that company. I hope both of them go bankrupt. The young generation cracks me up, they are nothing but little prissy babies. The only thing they want is airtime. I would love to get you on Hercules , Grizzly, Texas Giant etc before they all were retracted or RMCed don't think you would be man enough . LOL
Alright grandpa, let's get you back to bed.
heard TT2 is a disaster
If they continue to follow Disney's you must pay to get in and pay to ride or else mind set. They will collapse
As far as i'm concerned, they can close all of the parks. I have no interest.
Why are you here?
Bad idea. Six Flags is garbage. Cedar Faire didn't need this. Horrible. I can see the cheap already coming out in Cedar Faire.
Cry much?
@alecscheerer2329 Yes everyone at a Sux Flags park. Thanks for sharing.