A Roundtable with President Barack Obama: The Cost of Education
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The biggest financial issue currently facing young Americans is not the decline of manufacturing jobs or the housing collapse, but mounting student debt.
To tackle this issue, VICE hosted a roundtable discussion, moderated by VICE founder Shane Smith, with President Barack Obama and five students who discussed the challenges surrounding student debt and the pursuit of higher education in the US.
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I'm not trying to be disrespectful as I feel these kids had great things to say, but why would you guys only bring in kids with scholarships? There's really very little diversity in this conversation. Where are the kids who couldn't get scholarships? The kids whose parents are working three jobs to get them to school? Or the kids who have to work night and weekend jobs just to get by? I'm not saying the whole conversation had to revolve around poor urban kids trying to get an education, but it would have been a good idea to do a better job of representing the average norm.
DEAD END HIP HOP!
Agree with you 100%. Respect to DEEH!
yeah i also wanted to know why colleges are so much more expensive everywhere else but california. i paid eight hundred something a semester and around 300 dollars in books in the CSU system. i worked full time at nights and paid for it myself that way. as expensive as it is in other states, i couldn't have done that
that's what went through my mind 6 minutes in, those kids are probably at the top 10% compare with majority of the students, most students don't have the intellectual capacity to be on the scholarship and have to pay pretty much everything. Plus the bigger issue is the youth unemployment rate, there is simply no guarantee new grads will have a job. Education reform is what's needed
***** No, Viknesh. Just because you do well in school doesn't always mean you will get a scholarship. And even if you do, that doesn't mean it will pay for all or even the majority of your schooling. And who said anything about brats or kids who don't study hard? Those are your words. Who even said the kid should get all their fees paid? You're jumping to ridiculous conclusions here which doesn't help anyone as far as having a discussion. The issue is this video ONLY showing kids who have scholarships and doesn't really discuss the struggle that a lot of kids (who do well, get good grades and aren't "brats") go through when it comes to attempting to better themselves by getting higher education.
Obama: "Let's hear how student loans are effecting each of you individually."
Almost every student: "I have these awesome scholarships"
*Facepalm*
yet the debt surpass 1 trillion
Right? Fucking hell.
I was going to post the same.. Well i was to make a huge post, but i see there are post's of what i would say..
Darkries Hunter
Republicans and Dems in the House and Senate can ignore the problem all they want but it is going to hit the fan eventually. The loan restructuring is nice but it just extends out the loan from 10 to 20+ years.
Embarrassing for entire production team is what is is. Naive and cavalier complaints from well-off students instead of the majority without scholarships.
Why not talk to students that are not in the top of the class and have scholarships out the rear end. talk to the average college student.
***** Maybe. Made some interesting points though, its not ENTIRELY fake :P
SignalLost730 I don't think its propaganda to tell you the truth. the students were screened to well is all.(lol) Vice is better than this. To see some real propaganda visite RT, its all pro-putin
+Tyler Bush What's wrong with propaganda if it's a positive message the administration is trying to get out there? I look at this video and think Obama wants people to know he's aware of the high college costs and want to hear first hand from the students attending and their perspective of the problem. I mean in all honesty in a world as big as ours you kind of have to have these kind of videos to relay messages to people. And of course if you get to have a sit down with the President it's going to have to be well deserving kids and pre-screened..I don't thing there's anything wrong with that.
+SignalLost730 You're saying you would just pick kids at random to meet the President of the USA? Censoring is when you prevent information, Obama is just trying to get a message out that he's aware of the high tuition cost issue, that's all this is.
Every time I watch videos like this I think to myself: Thank God I don't live in America!
Thank god you live in a country that isn't productive and contribute to humanity like we have/do.
TheBic4
If you don't mind me asking, what is your big contribution?
TheBic4 People from our country have contributed a lot, but our government has done a lot more harm than good. See Nagasaki, Hiroshima, the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, the funding of the Mujahideen in the 80s, the Chilean Genocide, the genocide in East Timor, the Indonesian Genocide, the bombings of Cambodia during the Vietnam War, the Vietnam War itself, the funding of Saddam Hussien, and much much more.
TheBic4 Granted, we helped rebuild after Nagasaki, Hiroshima. We also helped rebuild Germany and Europe too.
marshawn lynch what country are you from? Loving the AMERICAN brand on your AMERICAN UA-cam profile btw
one cool ass president. Back to the white folk pretty soon.
***** To be fair, its mainly congress's fault that nothing gets done
A. G-E Um... he's not cool in fact he's worse then Bush, name one thing that Obama has done right since he's been President.
^ hahaha
A. G-E I'm waiting.... go on name something,.
***** yeah more then half of the shit you listed is very much wrong lol. the F-22 was never killed they built 187 of them. The F-35 project is far more expensive and is the worst Fighter jet project in U.S History and is still going
It's just sad that your that fucking stupid that you went to some crappy website that gave you such crappy info.
VICE hosted a roundtable discussion, moderated by VICE founder Shane Smith, with President Barack Obama and five students who discussed the challenges surrounding student debt and the pursuit of higher education in the US.
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Nitron DSP Everything is propaganda.
Bullshit vice outing themselves
I don't agree that this is propaganda. Vice are pretty face value. And there is some blatantly disheartening answers from Obama (government support, blaming state senators, taxes angle) which are as clear as day here. Also, Shane's demeanor seems to be focused, neutral and civil. This is good as it encourages the viewer to actually listen and stop allowing the broadcaster to overwhelm the point with their channel's agenda. In terms of style, yes, vice is very slick and I can see why some mistake this as propagating favour for Obama. But I think its quality and technical appeal only represent the channel itself. Vice dresses appropriately and let's the guest speak for himself. This is clearest angle I've gotten in Obama. It's much easier to gauge his verbal effectiveness when his party's theatrical embellishments are left outside the room. And that is thanks to vice.
VICE News Nice job guys !
that's really cool that you got obama to be an interviewee and got him to sit down at a round table discussion but couldn't you have had some of the students on the panel be attending college who are either taking out a student loan or else working to pay their way through college? all of these guys seemed to be on some kind of scholarship and that isn't most non-rich kids student's stories.
If you voted for this guy, you should pay more taxes for the next 4 years as to offset all the shit you caused us who didn't
cutting the military by 5-10% would pay for all this bullshit... but you idiots would rather lose trillions of dollars on war.
CaptainDave Vote Libertarian next time.
010101 010101 Libertarian is also off the scale of sanity. they put too much faith with corporations. there needs to be a balance between gov and businesses...
CaptainDave They have a better foreign policy. Less time spent with foreign issues and more with domestic. Less government in your life as a whole, less debts to rank up because they decide they want to send out troops everywhere they please.
CaptainDave that is the common misconception - the power of corproations is only possible because they get to buy government (and or join government temporaraily, since it's all just revolving door) and write regulations that fit them. the guaranteed student loan itslef is government and all educational institutions being in cahoots with the banks to enrich BANKS AND SCHOOLS while impoverishing the students.
We're a nation that can spend $4 trillion on wars, but scoff at the idea of funding university education. What an absolute shame.
We are a nation of hucksters and salesmen. That’s who we are… everybody’s a customer not a citizen.
Education is the best investment in the future of a country, hell even of all mankind. I never understood how can u make such high barriers for people to get education.
I think he wanted to say, oil and war is the best investment. ( not for the people tho)
Andre Barros Pretty much man....
Colleges became for profit plain and simple. Nothing else besides that. They got used to the state money and when the economy contracted in 2007 they kept raising pay and bonuses. As it all crashed down they kept doing the same as states begin to cut back hard.
Now you are in a vicious cycle as people get lower paying jobs so less tax revenue and then less money to colleges and then less high paying jobs. You get how this game eventually works out.
There should be higher barriers for education. Not everyone should go to college.
Seriously it is shameful how college is just practically out of reach for people who are on the lower side of the economic scale.
Must be fucking expensive. Where i live university is free, i get money from my parents and the the state, but still i have to work 10h per week as well. Housing and food is fucking expensive here...
what country are you from
also nothing is free in the world of education, some way or another your course is being paid for you.
Herve Shango You're wrong, travel a bit and you'll figure it out, that and healthcare is free everywhere else. They charge you a leg and an arm in the US simply because they can. Here university is an average sallary every 6 months, compared to the US that's free.
yeah same where I live its pretty much free, but got a part time job to pay for food, drinks and buses getting in and out of college.
is0zy i am not from the usa, i am from uk, even though students in uk go to uni for free, it is still being paid for you, your wrong mate.
If you going to make community colleges free. Start sending my money back.
you Americans are truly selfish.. never capable to think beyond yourselves.
CaptainDave the truth is whatever the government claims will be "free" is actually costing the rest of the country much more than it is worth - guess why most european countries are drowning in debt at the moment though they don't have anything close to the war expenditure that america has? and look at france with all their so-called "free social programs" they are neck deep in debt and in reality is in just as deep dire straits as greece.
Wtf happened to the days where we wanted better for our future generations? Now it's just "if I had to do it, so do you"
CaptainDave first of all, this is an American video. You have no business being here if you're not American and don't understand the situation. It affects you in no way.
***** everyone from modern countries pay taxes the difference is the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes.Also cutting the military would solve that problem without even raising taxes on the poor and middle class... so you are not paying more period if the government is smart enough to do the right thing.
Why not address the root cause? With the access to information the way it is today with the internet, we should rethink the way we go to college. We should cut out the middle man and develop community testing centers. The courses and content are out there for free! We don't need to throw money at this problem, simply need to rethink the process.
First thing you can do very easily is get rid of the paper books and switch to an electronic system. Unfortunately lobbyist control everything in this country. Just bootleg the books and save 1,000's a year.
Simple PDF file on your tablet or phone a college makes you pay for a book on top of their tuition. It is a cozy relationship costing us TRILLIONS! The entire scam is going to crash after the middle class is tapped out from running up loans to send their kids to college.
I second Paul's point. My tablet has saved me loads of money and I don't need to carry the weight of each of my textbooks when I go to class. Very convenient.
ehh.. dude..that's a naive way of thinking. How many recognized and certified online courses are there? How many quality jobs/corporations/industries accept online course certificates?? Sure, we should rethink the problem, but saying we don't need to throw money at it is just plain, sorry, stupid.
peterpiperdiedharper So you think that even though we have gone through a revolutionary change in the way we share information and communicate, an ancient instruction and certification method and is still ideal? You my friend are clinging onto paradigms. I earned an online degree while working. I make 120k base. Who cares how the individual gets smart, just test their intelligence and move on. #evolve
richsums mate, did you miss critical reading courses, since your are putting words into my mouth. Nowhere did I say the old system is ideal, but to think here you are *an online graduate* who has figured out a way no one else seems to understand. is a tad bit too much assuming of yourself.
There are several reasons what you said cannot be directly implied primarily, the slow speed of practically implementing a total revolutionary system *removing the middleman* as you said. Second, there is the political clutter that one has to get through to be able to implement changes, Being a good politician involves being a good negotiator, which means often getting a 100% of what you want is impossible. Third, your plan to remove the middle man will only work for undergraduates up to a certain degree, Institutions like universities were initially build to facilitate learning and gathering knowledge in one big hub, Sure, things have changed due to the nature of the system we live in, But, universities are even if they have turned into money making systems still hold a lot of accreditation, and are recognized for their degrees, something online courses have just barely started doing.
BDW, do tell me what online degree you received.
The Internet has free education, just read and read and read and then read more and make things on your own. Just saying.
+Enrique Godinez well you said it right!
+Enrique Godinez 100% correct.You are only constrained by your drive or lack of it !! And most of the time the education available online for free is better than the one available in classrooms !! I can say this for sure about classrooms in India !! The current system has destroyed generations.
The major issue you forgot is that four years ago, online college became a very big thing, but according to surveys, however, bosses looking to hire kids that are straight out of college, over 50% of them would hire a kid who went to a traditional university over an online university
Tyler Livingston My buddy is making $100k a year working for American Express and learned IT from the Internet. It happens. I have another good friend of mine that works for Honeywell, no degree, flunked out actually, and is a mechanical engineer for them. It does happen.
Obama looks SOOO tired
Jay Ebs Imagine listening to Mitch McConnell and John Boehner all the time. I'd throw myself off the White House roof. He's more resilient than I.
*****
You're one of those, huh? Good for you!
***** LOL no... it's because he's president
President Obama is so nice!
Yeah, He's super nice, especially when he orders bombs dropped on children and prosecutes record numbers of whistle blowers.
David Scott He never specifically ordered bombs on children. With regards to whistle blowers, to some regard, yes this is true. But President Obama is not above the law, so assuming this, all parties should be prosecuted according to the law in place. Furthermore, President Obama is correct to address debts (specifically, student loans), health care, foreign policy, and climate change. As mentioned, Americans should all engage and vote. Its baffling that 1/3 of Americans vote. If you don't vote, then you can't complain.
Used Books
"He never specifically ordered bombs on children." anwar al awlaki's son was murdered by a drone. He was with a family at the time. Do we know if he was specifically targeted? No, because the self described,"Most Open Administration in History" exerts executive privilege to cover up how drone targets are selected. Also we know that the Admin employs double tap drone strikes aimed at first responders who are....families.
"But President Obama is not above the law, so assuming this, all parties should be prosecuted according to the law in place." This is a joke, you know this if you are poor, no one is equal before the law, it depends on what power and what connections and how much money you have.
"Americans should all engage and vote. Its baffling that 1/3 of Americans vote. If you don't vote, then you can't complain."
I can complain, I don't vote, all you get is a different criminal every few years. Voting is the slave's suggestion box.
***** There is nothing cool about his clothes.
"Every student should do porn in case you can't afford college"
The amount of trolls in this comment section though.
Student loan situation is a nightmare 17 year-old kid sign something that can affect their whole lives when they don't know the first thing about anything all they know is the pressure to go to school not the consequences good or bad
horrible interview. Whats the point of getting Obama on vice if you're just gonna ask him questions we already knew?
Jimmy kimmmel asked him the same questions
It was probably the only way Barack would do the interview.
It was bad but they were kids. One of the guys was smiling so hart it looked like his teeth were going to pop out lol. But when the adult in the room asked a real question Obama evaded lol.
Because all the questions are scripted, reviewed by his administration and rehearsed. Its a joke.
sure ... pretty disappointed about VICE this time.
More propaganda brought to you by VICE and the White House. Que the concerned music.
You mean to tell me they didn't bring up the fact that since government started subsidizing higher educations the institutions started charging double what a higher education used to cost? I'm shocked.
Just please tell us how this is propaganda
dapperedavid
LOL, please tell me how it isn't? BHO is pushing some bill and VICE is supporting him and it in exchange for an exclusive interview, no doubt.
David Scott no I mean, what signs of propaganda do you see? How is this video trying to actively influence your mind in such a way that is apparently what HBO wants you to think?
I'd like to see him speak to some teens in high school who already know they're screwed.
This guy is a joke
How fucked up would it be if we go from this guy to Trump
The world, and Australia, agrees with you /Thumbsup
Not sure if this has anything to do with Vice's progressivist stint but it seems like they have been much more heavily biased since Bill Maher (an Obama campaign donor) became an executive producer on their HBO show. I had so much hope for Vice being the only truly unbiased news source when they were getting on the ground, fact based coverage (which they still do some of), but they have flushed it all down the drain with this blind partisan horseshit. It is a practically undisputed fact that college tuition inflation has been caused by unrestricted student loans heavily supported by Obama, (that are quite similar to the subprime mortgaga loans of the 2008 economic crisis). Yet Obama gets to use Vice as a mouthpeice spouting lies and ignoring that this current problem and potential major crisis wasn't perpetrated by his administration. Its just depressing.
Tell it like it is Obama. You are my hero because I am for; Education, a clean environment, right livelihood and better yet, the union!!!...📓📔📕📗📘📙📚
I am in college now, and the Irish Government pays (a grant) for the 4 years of college depends were your living and how far you live from it. Its not impossible to go to college/University and have a part time job on the weekend. All I am paying with my part time job is food and drinks and get a small amount of money off my parents. Like around €100 very month or so. It must be harder in America to do this and do the State Government give a grant to every student?
Most people get grants from companies, not the government.
If you know anything about American companies, you can imagine how easily they snake the unfortunate people getting loans from them...
ShakinJamacian yeah our government pretty much pay for our college/university 3k most a year
MrPsychoDog You have a humane government. Unfortunate that the United States values paper currency over actual living things.
I envy Europe. Not to compare as an "Us vs Them" ideal, but most people there are far more reasoned in the world outside of the US. I imagine most of the EU will have unconditional incomes for all citizens before the US even *considers* the fucking idea. We don't even have decent health care.
ShakinJamacian The think is the American Government are spending $700billion on military you think they should spend a small bit of that to the education to help get student to finish college/university and be able to do something after it. Instead of paying off the loans on a job you do not want to be doing.On the other hands America spends $632billion on education and still needs to put a bit more money so students can live life after college/university.
Oh healthcare America can not give out if their government are spending $2.8trillion,Most EU countries don't have as good hospital and healthcare then America.
***** All things cost time and resources of the planet. It's when we add money as a rule of measurement on top of that where it all gets messy.
Consider for a moment on why so few nations have not eliminated poverty. They often start with "where's the money going to come from" as if it comes from somewhere. We make it! But we take currency as objective wealth, when it's nothing more than a subjective tool we use.
Our psychological attitude towards money is what prevents us from making better societies as we really can, and is the central stopgap in the United States to preventing all of its citizens with health care and an assured minimum income.
Education should be a fucking birthright, not a monetary game to shackle people into twenty-first century serfdom.
We have major issues with education today: the costs, the increased demand of qualifications for students post-education, and the risk automation has to the solvency of the entire enterprise, which is rarely discussed. Today we are heavily concerned about paying money just to learn, just in the *hopes* one can be a somebody, that all of our paper certificates truly make us ready to be in the "real world". Tomorrow it's to see that after buying into that bullshit and playing along like a good little boy or girl, you see the double bind of our culture that expects more and more out of you despite this insoluble cost, that what you did amounted to very little and you are shackled in a game you may never, ever escape from. Soon, one will have to deal with all of that *AND* a situation where machinery can learn what a person can in a 4th of the time, and that human labor will slowly be eroded from most of this economy. From stem to stern, the education enterprise is ruined.
We have to really rethink this entire situation. Should we really be expecting people to go into astronomical amounts of debt in the *hope* of getting a job that will very likely be automated in their lifetime? Is this *really* the fucking game we're going to play with people?
even though i disagree with the education being the birthright part, you bring up many good points and points i ponder a lot at times.
Making community college free is a great start to keep the student debt down. I'm currently in community college since I still did not know what was I going to do in life and had no plan on paying a four year university. The only thing I'm missing is going to parties and drinking my liver away. I go to school fully paid in financial aid and at night I work as an assistant for the English as second language program in work study. If I would have gone back to the fall after graduating high school, I would redo it all over again.
Looking at the comments makes me sad. Bashing on a president that tries to give you the chance for a better life...
Stop watching "Fox News", you'll feel better.
Vice news decided to bow down and ask soft ball questions and didn't even follow those soft questions with any follow up and call out any of Obama's questions
i need a car also ,please cars are so expensive.
also homes are to expensive , please pay for my home.
Please pay for my anal lube and butt plugs too. Thanks government.
How much did the White House pay VICE to make this commercia...err..."round table" interview?
I'd like him to talk to a bunch of high school students who already know they're fucked.
Quade Axford Unless this bill comes to action soon. Possibly being the first generation of free college, bragging rights
Too bad Obama doesn't really give a shit and even if he did, he doesn't have enough power to make anything happen.
***** So if Obama doesnt care about free education then who was that back guy with white hair in the video?
ethan schreiber it's all for show, so he has the people's support.
If he doesn't care why is he pushing for free community college and debt forgiveness for students....hmmm
Lincoln Abraham Because he knows those ideas will make him and his party popular.
Its not "free" community college, its publicly-funded community college. AKA you, me and every other taxpayer is paying for it.
And debt forgiveness is complete bullshit. Its another tax on the American people to support college graduates who statistically will make enough money to pay back that loan in time. And if you DON'T make enough money, because you take a bullshit liberal arts degree or go to a garbage college, that is 100% on you and not on me as the taxpayer to help you out.
When you sign the forms applying and receiving loan money, that is a contract between you and the loaner. You are responsible for your actions. If you spend 100k on a degree, that is your problem. If you turn around and want Good Ol' Uncle Sam to bail you out then go fuck yourself. Removing personal-responsibility from citizens, increasing government spending, and increasing government power is a road to hell paved with good intentions.
So... Let me get this straight. Mr. President Obama says God bless you, and nothing happens, but a christian school kid says God bless you, and he gets suspended? Not fair. :/
borrow borrow borrow. slave machine
Wtf is this? Vice you couldnt put a round table made up of AVERAGE students? You know, someone reflective of the majority of us? You dropped the ball a bit here. Keep up the good work though!
I don't like how set up this feels
This is just sad.
In Czech republic we have a free education until we turn the age of 26.
We are a eastern european nation if you dont know where that is, and not particularly wealthy.
But if the worlds largest economy cant provide free education for its citizens, that is just SAD.
Not really the greatest nation on earth is it...
Or how about this,why blue collar jobs get thrown in holes? the problem is not the scholarships but the fact that every young person for some reason is under the assumption that if you become an economist,a lawyer a corporate worker for a big firm or some thing like that,you have essentially succeeded,but if you become an electrician,blacksmith or for an example woodworker you have failed?!
I know a guy who studied marketing and atm is working for below average pay and is unable to pay back credits for school while at the same time i know a dude who by accident found a blacksmith who had an advert for apprenticeship and is now making quite large amounts of money by working as one him self for a private horse ranch.
You take cash that you don't have to learn a trade that almost nobody needs and then you ponder why are you in the situation that you are!
At the same time trades that were considered an every day norm 40 years ago nowadays can't find people willing to work,and it's not because of bad paychecks,most of them pay quite well. My country has gone down to a point where a good welder can earn twice as much as a good lawyer simply because there are too many people with law degrees but almost nobody willing to get their hands dirty.
Society needs to make investment (with no choice and no voice)
500 billion goes to military
2billion goes to education
Every year, message you cant choose but its your fault:)
Obama has changed, He seems to genuinely care all of a sudden. Maybe we should take his word when he said "I have no more campaigns to run"....He doesn't have to fundraise or please corporations anymore.
You republicans almost had a president who wanted to cut financial aid (Romney)..... be thankful
I think I understand Obama, he's done some bad things but he wants to make the world a better place. The leaders of the freeworld can't be perfect.
In Sweden we get paid to go to school, and you have to pay. Yes we have high taxes but we make more money then you do before that anyhow. We got free helthcare longest break from work each year and so on. Bigest difference i see is that we trust our goverment alot more then you guys in america do. And we invest in our future, its a good concept but its hard getting there tbh
Shake with two hands when it comes down to The President that's a huge sign of respect. oh well...never mind, he's cool with it.
Well that sucks for you guys! I don't have to pay shit for a higher education, in fact I get money from the government. It doesn't cover everything but the loans are affordable so it's all good!
hannesH3 Socialist!!!!! How dare you live in a developed nation that takes pride in it's people over it's defense budget! It must be awesome hating freedom.
bordy217 I get that you're joking, but you also have to understand that the government WILL do everything worse than the private sector. Inefficency and waste are synonymous with government, so you have to ask yourself if you're fine with the government being responsible for your health and education.
hannesH3 Corporations are beholden to shareholders. Profit above all else. Some things are basic services that shouldn't be done for profit. I am fine with government funding of private health and education. Single payer health care and tax payer funded higher education. As far as treatment and educational decision making; that is not the job of the government. Don't confuse taxpayer funded with government controlled.
The private sector has failed in these areas and have made both unaffordable for the common working class family. At least if these things are publicly funded, we can eliminate the people that screw them up via elections. When the private sector screws the populous, they get raises.
Holy fuck we're lucky. In Sweden we don't pay a dime for collage.
If you move to Denmark and get free education you can then spend more money on steam sales
Nothing has changed. Thanks obama and the rest of government.
Bare minimum we need to be able to file for some form of bankruptcy . not the BS
Would trump ever have a sit down like this I bet my life he won't
Now The President,
Up next Korean poop wine.
Not sure if vice has moved up the ranks, or politics are taken less seriously that the auto play can eventually lead to videos like the one mentioned above.
As a Brit, every time I watch Obama he just seems more and more clued in. I think he is genuinely just a well educated man, who looks at multiple sides of the argument, but is in a system of old laws and idiots.
thank u mister after your advice I start caring about my education although i am in Yemen,and we don't have schools
So glad to live in Germany (You only have to pay about 400€ each semester here.)
I will tell anybody who will listen to me. I'm A college grad. College is A business just like A car dealership, car wash, liquor store, grocery store, ETC.... Don't go to college to find out who you are if you paying. Go to college to get what you need and move on to the next mission.
I couldn't agree with you more, brother!
I think Obama would agree too but since he can't say that he said another route would be to go to community college first and rack up some credits before transferring to a 4 year institution to save money on tuition. So many kids coming out of high school are just not aware of things like this. They just take AP classes.
I went to a 4-year state college, left after 3 years of bio/premed (without a degree) and got into a foreign medical school. Saved a year of tuition right there but I still am able to get to my goal which is to get a medical degree and be a practicing physician in the US.
I hope youre well on your path to what you wanna become broski
I find this repulsive. How can a government that's broke itself rip off and charge a fortune from kids. (Kids who are the future OF the country) Knowledge (education) should be passed on free, it should be a gift not a burden.
Education has turned into a supply and demand market, college has the supply and the thousands of graduates have a demand, therefore they come up with an "appropriate" price, but it's still not appropriate because according to experts, these colleges make more money per year than Exxon Mobil, the biggest corporation in America
I couldn't be bothered to watch more than 2 minutes. I'm assuming that nothing in it amounts to anything? that the ridiculously high prices will continue.
Nationalize and computerize education can work. In principle, top quality education could cost close to nothing. As it should.
If you think about it, a course is often some spass wasting your time with chalk. You can see some of them from MIT here on youtube. Which is free. All it takes is one set, laid down once and for all for all. Then exams which is a relatively small time to pay for.
It could be very cheap.
Except that there is no direct support from teachers. When there isnt direct support it isn't doable because the only purpose digitizing education would serve is to make it teachable to a huge online class of students ranging from 1000-100,000 depending on how extreme you wanna go. It will also serve to educate people from across the world while reducing expenses for that person.
And ofc some will get the material while others won't. More specialized education with class sizes of 30 or so gets you far better results in the real world. Its why Berkeley, UCLA, as well as I think Harvard, Stanford and other Ivy League universities offer much better education. Unless we get pills or helmets to emulate the thought processes going on inside a geniuses mind we will continue to have to rely on smaller classes. Which is a bummer because that's just not practical given the population increases.
Lel but what about your questions. You are gonna have to wait in line for all the other thousands of individuals xD
HomeSkillenSLICE read what I wrote
Dan Frederiksen If it was really that simple and one only required a list of programmers and a good professor to make a good online school we'd live in a completely different world. Too bad people learn differently.
HomeSkillenSLICE it is that simple but I'm the only one who can think in this world and most others idiotically and mindlessly oppose change. Like you
all the college kids love this idea until they're in their 40s and 50s and are paying out the ass in taxes for the next generation that feels like everything should be given to them.
Logan Walker Sorry that I want my peers to not drown from $32,000 in debt. I'm lucky to be born into a military family where I got a free tuition, so I'm covered. But as for my little sister and the rest of the world, they're screwed. Just because we want an affordable education like the rest of the fucking world and don't want to live with a 32,000lb wieght on our shoulders for the rest of our lives doesn't mean that we're entitled.
Very Friendly guy! :)
PS: I really respect and have a lot of compassion and admiration for our President B. H. Obama. I'm glad I voted twice for him.
how bout we talk about more important shit than whatever this distraction.
People are so negative.
Best President Ever.
Scripted?
You guys want to take picture together ?
My parents never went to college and have no clue how expensive it is, but they keep pushing me to go, they don't understand how terrible my life will be if were to go with a loan, the amount of stress it will bring me in the future, they have no clue how unfair the system is. It's made for kids who have rich parents, if you don't have rich parents, well, tough shit. Either graduate with 250k debt, or get a blue collar job and hope you can make a living out of it. It's not about how smart or gifted you are, it always comes down to who your family knows and the connections that have already been established. Rich kids are so fucking lucky. My life is going to be complete hell, and i have no idea what to do.
Education has now become just another cash cow for banks. I fucking hate how corrupt the banking system is in the USA. Everyone suffers except for the bankers.
I just wish university was affordable.
The US seems fine with taking on debt in many forms, but when it comes to taking on abit of debt in something as important as the education department, magically just can't afford to anymore.
Education should be free, all levels, across the globe. An educated population is a more useful population. In addition, with free education, anyone and everyone would be able to better themselves and apply themselves in fields they enjoy, resulting in their performance in that field being exponentially better than your average worker today just holding a job.
Imagine a society where everyone working a job, is working a job they enjoy and are passionate about and were able to pursue those careers thanks to access to any education required without the worry of burying themselves alive in bills... how productive we would all be doing what we enjoy... Going into work would no longer be a burden necessary to pay bills, instead it would bring enjoyment and additional effort to be added to do that much better of a job, because it's something you like and enjoy doing well....
Isn't that something we should be striving for? The only way you make progress in fields is by having people who enjoy being in those fields to begin with. If the majority of people are simply working a job they hate, just to pay bills, they're not only going to feel burdened, but they won't give two shits if they do the job well or not, because it's not something they care about, and that hurts overall productivity by a large margin. And all as a result of banks wanting to make a quick buck off of generations vital to the succession of society. What a joke.
I'm not just bothered by the debt that comes with college, but also how I am forcibly assimilated into mainstream society. Simply being a university student causes me to spend money carelessly (outside of school-related fees) and to use resources mindlessly.
It promotes a sedentary and often unhealthy lifestyle, particularly effecting my posture and diet. Colleges have become so dependent on technology as well...my eyes are always sore from doing schoolwork, and my university definitely favors students who use the latest technology. This could be seen as a form of discrimination.
The (typical) culture associated with college life is also just pathetic for so many obvious reasons.
Above all, I truly feel that it doesn't matter how intelligent, creative, or deep thinking a person may be....but the education system is only made for people who are "good at being students." Just because someone has figured out how to do well in school doesn't mean they are superior to anyone else...some people just aren't made to do schoolwork the way it is designed.
President Obama is the BEST president America has ever had bar none
I wish we could elect him forever
Look what America has to choose from in 2016
OMG
Yeah so we could increase our national debt from 19 thrillion to 19 quadrillion.
El Ruiz Who gives a Flying Fuck abt the national debt
I dont and the world hasnt stopped turniing
+AwesomeAlex! Adam Of course , well when our economy fails. Don't blame the white race.
El Ruiz Doomsayer
probama
Glad i live in norway, when i finish my "spesial studies competanse" (often fokused on natural sciences) i can attend university either in norway where i will get support and a loan from the government, or i could choose to go to university in the usa or uk and so on. Norway will pay my school money and i will be in less debt than i would if i stayed and studied in norway. #sosialistheavenyoo
As an artist, I wasted my life listening to teachers telling us to get all these honors/AP classes with clubs, and volunteer jobs on the side instead of practicing 3D modeling/figure Drawing etc. All the mental breakdown was worth nothing, I graduated on top with others and still got nothing. I was a perfectionist because teachers said it would say something to colleges about me but it was still worth nothing. They say they're preparing you for college but theyre too dumb to realize that not all of us, if not most of us will not go to the same college. The government should just let those who know what they wanna be, study right away instead of forcing us into shitty general useless courses
It's 15 minutes like this that can inspire one of those students to achieve great things. I hope our future leaders take the time to meet the next generation.
Such weak questions I would of asked. How come European nations can find funding for free college tuitions but America can't and we're number one.
I am not satisfied with comments. 50years I have researched rate of return in education. We should differentiate private and social rate of return. As far as I know the social rate of return is higher so we can without fear invest in education because it is so.
If we ignore it compare money 2008 where through bailout billions $ were printed by Federal Reserve.
Or money for war operation from Vietnam, Iraq, .... Now with Isils..
The last option if we negate these two suggestion, can we try to connect faith and science, connect heart and mind...
Through my last research I have proved that between three kinds of human capital ( moral, intellectual, and social) the most important is moral. It explains 85% of variance.
In conclusion we should look for honest and knowledgeable persons who will create decision making, where money for education will not be problem.
I don't think this is propaganda rather it is just weak. Not enough strong questions like why we are not cutting down on military so we can pay for things like this
Whos investing? should the average person have to pay a huge tax just to invest in our future or does this burden get spread out fairly and the rich pay THIER portion THIER FOR HELPING.
Shane you look so out of place, It looks like your skin is just crawling with anxiety being in the presence of the president while obama has always had this knack of being overly comfortable anywhere he goes. The contrast is killing me. Its so weird.
Well done Mr.President. Community college can be a good ticket for the average students to enhance themselves to the University Degree.
Thanks vice for that soft ball interview. No real questions about why the gov made 4.9 billion dollars off of students backs.
Remove the State's power from the education system and you will see the middle class come back from innovative kids as they transition into the adulthood.
At around the 12:14 mark the presidents genius and honesty hit me. He really is brilliant and in my humble opinion, wants to change all the crookedness.
Give him a break already!
Obama is a good actor
The Australian Government is going the opposite direction the USA is trying to go... gotta love POLITICS ... LAME
VICE does good stuff. They actually are journalists. It's nice......and rare. Interviews and stuff like this are a thousand times more valuable than what most major news networks do.
Community College free???? Eff that it's already basically free!
MAKE BOOKS FREE!!!!! that's where the rip off is at ,..
I am an American that unfortunately I never heard of german free tuition schools until the end of my bachelors. (America probably kept that on the down low just because they could) So now, I have around 45,000 dollars in debt. The biggest problem my family is facing now is that we can not at all pay for college. In other words, as a middle-upper class family we can't even pay for college. That is fucked up. I'm probably going to have to go to another country now for school. I'm not against it either. WORD TO HIGHSCHOOLERS: DON'T GO TO COLLEGE IN AMERICA. IT WILL SCREW YOU.
Yeah, I live in Texas and I went to junior college for 2 years before university. Tuition per class was $150...ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS PER CLASS. A full time schedule is 12 or more hours so that comes to $750 (5 classes X 150/per class), and with smart book shopping one could get a semester for under $1,000. I worked part time to pay for it, took out loans for the last two years, and graduated with 12,000 in school debt. I graduated 7/2012 and am now debt free. I believe problems arise when people, for some reason, think they need to do all of their schooling at a four year university for $5K+/Semester. A little critical thinking will go a long ways. Additionally, with the proper education/skill building from parents to children at a young age, college isn't necessarily for everyone. I know several people who own a business or worked their way up to a well-paid position. In school, kids aren't taught how to plan for college/life or manage money. I think if we fix our education system, then we would see big changes.
*keep it simple, stupid*
Why don't you Americans just follow the English (UK) way of doing things.
1. Government pays for everything (Tuition fees, accommodation, books, food, etc...)
2. Students start paying it back with low interest ONLY once they earn over £21,000 a year.
What if you lose your job? - If you fall below £21k a year at any point you the repayments stop.
What if you never get a job or earn over £21k? - The loan is written off after 25 years.
If you want to lower the price of education, you have to increase the amount of unskilled/specialized labor (such as manufacturing and customer service) opportunities in the country. Hence, people will be able to make a living wage from a dependable job without a college degree. You can't keep increasing the demand for something and expect the price to go down.
In addition, kill the Pell Grants and G.I. Bill... This way, Colleges will have to find smarter ways to decrease college tuition and improve learning as they will be fighting for that money as opposed to expecting it.
Again, manufacturing has to come back to the US (from China). Also, if more positions encouraged on-the-job training (which every job is essentially OJT'd anyway), you would see tuition drop almost immediately.
I live in Germany were I can study for almost nothing in a really good university. I study the useless political sience with the usefull economics. I recive money from the goverment called bafög with half of the money I have to pay back in like 15 years.
I get about 600 Eur from that. In addition I have part time job that gives me another 400 Eur. Soon I will get money called "childrin money" or "kindergeld" which will be a littlebit under 200 Eur.
My rent is 300-350. I spent about 100 Eur on Food. This all is per month obv.
I use the rest of the money to save and I plan to travel and study abroad in China, Hong Kog which I am currently learning mandarin for.
None of that would be posseble in the US :(
Schools need to cut the fat and be responsible with spending
Big problem with my school (and most schools it seems) is that nobody knows where the money is going. Tuition is increasing faster than inflation but its definitely not going to improving buildings or technology.
Schools have too much non-teaching faculty and too many high up employees are receiving way too much in their paycheck.
There are too many uni funded programs and events. School shouldn't be funding entertainment.
Most importantly, sports programs should be running the the black. Only half the schools turn a profit, the median loss for the others is $11.3 million. For an average d1 school, thats probably around a extra $500. What about all the other programs that offer full-rides that generate no profit (sorry tennis and track/field). Sorry women's sports, Kentucky women's basketball cost the school $4 million (4.6 mil in expenses, 600k in revenue)
Its not hard to scale back irresponsible and wasteful spending, However, its easier just to admit a few more students, promise them the world, and raise their tuition also. Heck, I just showed you that a university can save $4 million from one thing....
Hey Americans!! Come to Canada :D! Cheap education! Revered schools! Awesome people! And best of all, under 21 to drink:D!! (19 in the rest of Canada and 18 in the province of Quebec)
as someone from Mexico, where we have public universities and public health system, both with lots of problems and not with the necessary coverage, i can't understand why the most powerful economy in the world can't offer this to its people, seems like being the wealthiest nation is not related with quality of life, the american way of life, i think, is not fulfilling expectations, OPEN YOUR EYES.
As usual big words but unfortunately, even if I fancy his charisma, building a bill of student rights and making yourself available to a bunch of student doesn't make this project viable... Everyone agrees that parents and students should be able to graduate on time and not think about their loans, but the system, I'm talking the college system (affording it, debating about it, figuring it out on your own) is fundamentally wrong... It's so useless to talk about the costs. Make all the schools public like in France and people would be grateful. In France, people pay 1000€ a year for a very good scholarship. You will tell me that America is number 1 in regards to results (scientific). But, seriously, when are going to have a real discussion about the future of our kids - not only education... "Society has to make an investment.." Really? 20 years ago you couldn't pay your debt in a year come on...
This has to be the WORST piece VICE ever did. How about hard questions, like what is the role of government in subsidizing loans, thereby making the loans more expensive (more demand of money for the same supply of college type a thing).
Just brown nosing, "oh you guys are great, you inspire me," and "oh mr president you are the best ever"
They should ask Obama what he thinks of the huge stadiums, arenas, the kids who get full athletic scholarships and stay in school just enough to be drafted by the NBA/NFL. Although sports are great and should be encouraged, schools commercialize sports at an absurd level, it has nothing to do with learning, and all of this is at the expense of crippling academic departments without money, professors that can't fund research, and ever increasing tuition for mere mortals who weren't born 7ft tall. When I graduated from college, I got a phone call from school: "would you like to donate for the new ice arena? Don't we already have an ice arena? Sir, the new one has larger capacity. Don't call me ever again. End of call."
how about free education?
you crazy man how am i suppose to make money then?.....
WHAT SOCIALISM?! NO WAY! WE NEED TO FUND MORE WARS BECAUSE WE ARE DIRECTLY UNDER THREAT! *sigh*
+Lincoln Abraham that would be in the EU.
the great USA show haha
I didn't expect this kind of silly political agitation/propaganda (you name it) at vice's channel (since I know it primarely from Ukraine's conflict coverage) but I see the channel's founder is directly involved, and I guess he can do whatever he wants here. still kinda of sad thing.....