Thanks Dale! That had me on the edge of my seat. Great ideas for moving machinery but then again you have a you tube channel because you are full of great ideas. Glad to see you back, we miss you.
It's so good to see someone else moving. I've moved all of my machines TEN times. I'm getting ready to move (from just above Half Moon Bay), once again. I can't even imagine doing it for the distance you moved. I've got a pretty big boom truck, so it helped with the moving. Thank you for sharing this! You made my day. It's great to see someone else suffering for a change.
That was fun watching. Been there, done that....so it was fun to see someone else capture all the gory details in a video. Welcome to California. You are bucking the trend of people moving in the opposite direction.
Thanks for such an interesting demo I enjoyed it and loved the comedy in between I have the same scene to look forward to in a few days though this milling machine is not as heavy as yours, I just hope the trucking company is careful not to damage it, once again thankyou I absolutely loved it. Jim from Australia.
We went to a machinery auction. They were trying to pick up some kind of tool grinder. It had 4 holes like yours. They hooked a chain in two of the holes diagonal across the base. My BIL and I were setting near waiting for my son to go get a skid steer and trailer to load the Bridgeport mill that he had bought. My BIL and I moved the hell out of the way when they started lifting it with a front end loader on a little tractor. Sure enough, as soon as it cleared the floor, it flipped over on its side and pretty well destroyed itself.
Hi Dale, Great to see you back. Was beginning to wounder where you had gone doing machining. Be safe moving all that and look forward to more great videos of you building something cool after you have set up. Keep well
Just met Dale and visited his workshop today. Good to meet you. In watching this video I am struck by an irony, that your new neighbors with warehouses across the street and to the right from you have a forklift (which you know now but probably wouldn't have known then)... but not sure they would have lent it to you anyway.... and if they did video would have been less interesting.
I think a lot of people getting into bigger and larger machines need to see how important it is to have stuff like lifting straps and an engine hoist, they may not be as sexy as a milling machine or surface grinder but i've never regretted spending the money on an engine hoist for even a second!
I've recently moved my workshop and same as you used an engine hoist to I wish I had thought to widen the hoist it would have saved me a lot of issues.
At the edge of my seat watching this. Tiedown straps for lifting heavy stuff, wow! Better not have a major accident working alone and couldn't call for help. Reminds me of the guy got crushed working underneath the car and no one around.
The grid work you built isn't a new idea, but you showed a great way of applying it that I'm sure many will find useful. Good to see you again, thanks for sharing.
Great video with lots of nice tips, tricks, and good advice. Wish you would have shown the "8 thousand ton ram from Harbor Freight" (@7:03). Guess you decided that was over kill and went with the 8 ton instead...
Love the wooden grid! I frequently move machine tools for myself and friends as we outfit our shops. If you have to do it again and use a trailer, rent one with a liftgate.
Nice move Dale:-) Stuff safe on the ground is always a good feeling. Moved a 6500lbs (guess) beast on Tuesday over 100 miles. Was glad to get it on the shop floor. Nice to see you back👌
Brilliant! That grid work is amazing. Too cool. Really, it's inspired. That jack under the mill, I saw your problem when you stuck it under, and we both came to the same conclusion. I'm glad you didn't bend anything. Hope the new digs don't slide into the Pacific before you move to the next location!!! Take care!
welcome to calif dale. there are still a few of us old hold outs staying here and putting up with the b.s. now you can do a bay area bash with the nor cal machinist buddy boys. cooler climate too
I moved my shop almost as far, about 2 years ago. Took me 2 days to load the truck, with 2 buddies helping. When I got to the new place, I rented a forklift. Best $200 ever spent! Whole truck unloaded... by myself... in about 2 hours. :O
@@BuildSomthingCool if your in Santa Rosa again stop by my shop at Stanroy Music Center and say Hi. Also you should see Bataeff Salvage Co in the south side of Santa Rosa...... A very cool place.
Looks like you have the same problem i do when it is time to move - friends , family and anyone i have ever known seem to vanish ! You should make up a dedicated lift pad for your hoist that has a pivot point so it can self level when you lift the mill that way - you could possibly make it so it locks into the dovetails and clamps to them . If i ever move again i will be hiring a truck with a tailgate lifter ! So now you're in California you don't have far to go for the bar z bash 2019 !
Glad to see you back...good job in moving safely. You needed help. If you ever move to Florida, let me know and I will help you unload. I met you at Keith Rucker's first shop workday. Be safe in California.
I live in kalifornia, would love to move to another state, except I hate the cold. I was working in the Puerto Rico region during the hurricanes last year, at the end of my adventure, the plane stopped in Atlanta, I went from summer to winter, instantly, I didn't think it got that cold in Atlanta. Here in kalifornia, we get what I think are both extremes, but since Half Moon Bay is on the coast, you may not need air conditioning and it doesn't get all that cold. I've thought of packing up my shop and moving, but all of my machinery, I wondered it it would be better to just sell it and buy used or new stuff after the move? So it appears it's going to take you at least two truck fulls, wow, what a trip. I hope it all works out for you here, at least you aren't far from the San Jose area, there is quite a bit of industry there, would be good for your hobby. I'm in the Sacramento area, it's a cow town here, not much industry. Jim
Good to see on line again. Seems that your new location is in my backyard. I reside in San Jose. When you get settled I would like to come visit you in the shop. Let me know if that's okay. Catch you later.
Nice job Dale moved and lifted the same way, made me nervous though. If you need any extra hands and help moving I might be up for a road trip 😁. Would like to visit once you get settled.
I moved a 1200# band saw off my truck by using a 2 ton chain hoist and putting 3/4" black pipe under the band saw to roll it down a 10' ramp using the chain hoist as a brake and slow release. Just make sure your point of the hoist placement on the band saw is high enough to compensate for the shift in the center of gravity when gong down the ramp --easy
I watched you move before which was a learning experience sense I was moving machinery with a trailer. Now you used a different method that maybe someday Ill use this bit of info with a rental van. Welcome to my neck of the woods, SF bay Area, I'm just across the bay
That was great. Now I am wondering and I like to see how you will arrange all this stuff. In a case that you make a video for that please give an explanation and the reason for your decisions.
I hoisted my Bridgeport [column and knee only] about 12" with 2 ton engine hoist and 1 of the castors snapped. Lucky it landed flat and didn't tip. Don't think I could handle the stress of lifting the whole mill that high
Tie down strips are not meant for lifting at all and you did not even use the grown up version truckers use (2“ wide?). Dirk Nowitzki uses those as shoelaces! So I hardly breathed through the whole operation with maschinery putting in around two tons. You should mark the date permanently in your calender and celebrate with a good whisky that you survived that stunt!
You should have welded a support on the extension you made for that engine hoist. There is a shitload of force pulling on that little area of the extension. remember...gravity is your enemy when you move heavy machinery. To make a lathe or similar stuff rest safely on a concrete floor make some small stands where the screws can rest inside and put some roofing paper beneath it. The roofing paper will settle into the small pores of the concrete and prevent the machine from "walking away" from you due to vibrations.
Dang , you didn't see the issue with all that mill weight on the angled engine hoist beam ? I wonder how the edge of the ways look with 2000lbs compressed on 2.5" of engine hoist bar ? Man your scary (but happy)
I know what it's like trying to move a large milling machine by yourself. The last time I moved my beast of a machine I had it on a pallet jack and I was just moving it into a garage until it was ready to be moved to another site. The problem was getting it up over the 1 inch high concrete lip where the garage door comes down. So I built some wood ramps but getting it to roll up those ramps was very difficult. The wheels just sunk into the wood. When the come-along failed to pull it up the ramps I tried pushing the pallet jack with the back bumper of my truck. As I pushed it the milling machine tipped over but wedged itself against the garage door wall so it didn't fall completely over but it was still on the pallet jack which was also tipped with two of the wheels off the ground! So then I had to somehow get it tipped back upright. Amazingly I tied a rope to the top and pulled it with my truck and in an incredible stroke of luck it popped back upright while still on the pallet jack AND the wheels were up over the 1 inch garage door lip! It was the luckiest day of my life.
(Laugh!) I would say so. It solved that problem! I've used steel plate over wood with success - and in one case had to use channel iron (two heavy, 20 foot long pieces) going back into the shop, with pieces of pipe under the machine and a come-along to move it. We got it over a gap and lip that way. I was quite busy moving it, putting new lengths of pipe under the leading edge and pulling them after the machine came off of them! What was the beast?
It is a large Bridgeport mill but it's also a 3 axis CNC machine so it has an extra 500 pounds of crap bolted on to it. The first day I bought it and I unloaded it from the trailer I used my VERY heavy duty engine hoist and it bent one of the bottom square pipe forks. It also sheared a 1/2 inch steel bolt on the engine hoist. I was shocked to see this thick half inch bolt with a wicked jog in it and then sheared completely off.
I used to own a couple of those - actually Bridgeport machining centers. I went in on a deal with another person to buy three of them for a really good price (they were going to be kept on his property while all three were fixed) - and as soon as I got one going, the jackass threw me and the other two machines out. I had them stored at another shop, but eventually the guy needed the space - I couldn't get them moved in time (too heavy for most movers), and lost them (many years ago, and I don't have a place for something like that). Yeah, a half-inch bolt would do that, especially one that wasn't hardened. I think that the size used for the lift points on my machines were 1 inch, but they may have been bigger. It took a really heavy crane truck to move them. Those old Bridgeport machines worked great, especially if you could rig up something to keep the stepper drive compartment cool and clean - and had a box of spare transistors. They were RUGGED. I liked working on them and used to have all the schematics and other things like that.
Yeah, mine must have come from a machining center because it has a big number 4 on the head. It's a V2XT-DX32 mid 1990's era machine. Here is a video of the actual machine I own that was posted by the previous owner before I bought it. ua-cam.com/video/vQBjgEnxrDc/v-deo.html And here is another video that shows a more complete shot of the mill but still doesn't do it justice as to how huge the machine actually is ua-cam.com/video/OBL_udE0fxA/v-deo.html
well Dale all I can say is you are a good man, why I 'll tell you why, first you did not injure yourself, and 2 you did it all alone....not many people would even try this but you did.....congrats to you ,I'd like to shake your hand, until the next one take care and stay safe,.....ray
Good job. I used to repair machinery (including CNC/NC and other tools of all types), and you did things right - except the mill, which I thought you were lucky (I stopped sweating when you added the straps holding the mill from sliding). I have used a multi-strap arrangement so that the mill is suspended from (preferably chains, but have had to use straps a couple of times) going to four high-as-possible points on the base, plus straps to the table (four is best) and at least three on the head. Chains are nice for that (get ones strong enough) because they don't stretch until they're close to the breaking point - so once tensioned, you're not going to get movement at that point. I'd really rather use a forklift strong enough, with plenty of straps and chains holding the load firmly secure - or a crane if available. (Sometimes you can only use a crane, for the big ones.) (Laugh) a engine hoist modified like that - good idea especially when it's one of those weird small moves. I've also had a broken mill - in spite of a dozen straps and a couple of chains, a hidden pothole got me. It bounced the trailer the mill was on so hard that everything loosened (a couple of straps broke as I remember), and I had to manhandle the thing back on after it bounced off. I ended up having to make a new acme thread screw for X - bent the original, and broke the end casting on that side. That was a piece of equipment I took in trade for getting a man's shop up and running again - helping him out as he was having a hard time (major equipment failure). I quickly learned that I don't like using utility trailers without much modification!!! When I was helping to move machines, most of the equipment required a crane to move it. Usually the control and electronics were separate, and even though everything worked when I started tearing the unit down, I always told the new owner to NOT take any work for it until we had it working at their shop. Even the best drivers cannot avoid their load to get shaken up and invariably something will get knocked out of kilter (in spite of good packing). Usually it's minor... but aggravating. Re-aligning and leveling is also not something that can be rushed. BTW - your support framework was adequate... most of the machine moves involving trucks like that (not flatbeds and so on) had a framework like that built in place. One exception is that there was additional framework going up to the ceiling - and support braces a little above the machines. Straps ran from the framework down to each (plus the way you had it).
Hey Dale thanks for all your insight over the years. I bought a Chinese milling vise after seeing your video and for what we do its perfect, plus $400 cheaper. Here's a request I have not been able to find - owning an vintage lathe vs new. Example from what I can find old lathes run much slower so does that mean inserts are meaningless with them? Seems so. We have an old South Bend. New lathes all seem to have high RPM ranges and older very slow such as 800 to 1000. I have also learned the hard way on vintage parts prices, have ExCellO mill and parts are hard to find and very expensive, so we make them. Anyway your ideas on old vs new would be something of interest, at least to those of us that moved out of La La Land as fast as we could and moved to Arizona:) Cheers Vector Warbirds USA
Talk about taking risks! It's a wonder that engine hoist picked up a ton, and to balance it on the end of the boom! You can hire a forklift far cheaper that a dropped machine might cost or a crushed person. It wouldn't have lifted my machines, my Archdale horizontal is around 2.25 tons.
These videos always make me nervous. I have seen machinery seriously damaged just because of trying to save dollars when moving equipment worth thousands. But hey you made it work.
Couple of sketchy moments there Dale but all is well..I would have done things a bit different with the final lowering of the mill, but glad it worked for you... SAFELY! You do know I'm only a phone call away... Razor!
Hey Dale, don't you have an older video where you show a trailer that lowers to the ground to make it easier to load up equipment? Or am remembering who published that video wrong? I can't seem to find it by looking at all of your video titles and thumbnails, so maybe it was just part of another video? Thanks!
My heart stopped when you lowered your mill. When I took my mill off my trailer the mill was on a pallet jack. I sweated getting it off the trailer. Got it off the trailer on the pallet jack. Then when moving it into the garage I discovered and uneven area on the floor...the mill did a slow speed tumble off of the pallet jack ( you can't reach out and stop 2000 lbs!). A bent Y axis screw, degree wheel and handle later....about $300 in damage. Uggh! Everyone please be careful when moving this heavy stuff!
You should invest in some more serious straps. I would not count on those silly things to hold. I was also surprised you didn't notice the problem with the boom wedged under the mill head... Luckily everything worked out great. Good luck with your future endeavors.
Good to see a new video, a lot to learn there. Maybe you should embrace micro-machining or just convert a semi-trailer into a shop. I hate moving, the last two each took about two years.
Reminds me of every time I move heavy equipment around, but this guy is crazy enough to do it twice. Might have to copy that engine hoist mod, though :)
That's quite the move. I would love to get a used mill someday but evaluating if the machine is worth buying is outside of my comfort zone, and moving it scares me to death. Maybe this makes me a little more comfortable in planning to move a machine...
What a place for an advertisement, just as you started down the ramp with the band saw! LOLOL Watched Steve Summers working on the grinder you gave him. Good choice, he seems to be a good family man. The 4-jaw looks good too. - Milling Machine - saw that coming. Great work overall. BTW why are you in California??
This hurts to watch. I have moved my shop a few times. My rules are to always have a forklift, rent a high deck truck (so you can load from the side without the wheel well interfering), and tie everything down to the deck. Trying to cheap out when moving is poor economy. A moving truck is not designed to move heavy point loads (loads that can exert large forces on a small area). Most serious trucks are open air, because it is too difficult (and not worth it) to load and unload a box truck. You can always cover the machines with tarps, and if done correctly will leave the machines dry even after driving through a rainstorm. Finally, I always have a friend or two when loading/unloading. At the very least having a second set of eyes helps a lot. One time I learned a lot was when moving a mill with the forklift. I has depalleting with the forklift and had untied the straps to the pallet, then was just lifting the mill with the forklift. I got clumsy with the forklift control and the mill started to rock back and forth on the lift. About all we could do is stop and hope it settled down. It did. From that learned: tie everything down. Even to lift the mill a few inches up, tie the mill to the forklift.
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Craigslist sale this weekend in Half moon bay. Hoist on site for loading.......
Tom, I also heard stuff will be going really cheap.
Thanks Dale!
That had me on the edge of my seat. Great ideas for moving machinery but then again you have a you tube channel because you are full of great ideas. Glad to see you back, we miss you.
Thanks for taking ur comments😀
It's so good to see someone else moving. I've moved all of my machines TEN times. I'm getting ready to move (from just above Half Moon Bay), once again. I can't even imagine doing it for the distance you moved. I've got a pretty big boom truck, so it helped with the moving. Thank you for sharing this! You made my day. It's great to see someone else suffering for a change.
Its kind of fun moving. I discover new tools that I forgot I had.
Haha. It's also good at prompting decisions regarding which tools and materials one really can live without.
Major location upgrade. You've landed on one of the coolest spots on the planet. Looking forward to seeing more videos as you settle in.
Where can I acquire that "braveness" pill? Man, most of you guys have nerves of steel! Glad it didn't end in disaster, BTW!
Glad to see you back here at UA-cam. Caught a few of your videos on FB through your move time.
That was fun watching. Been there, done that....so it was fun to see someone else capture all the gory details in a video. Welcome to California. You are bucking the trend of people moving in the opposite direction.
Glad to have you back!
Great to see you on the air again. Enjoyed the move. Keep us up to date.
Thanks for such an interesting demo I enjoyed it and loved the comedy in between I have the same scene to look forward to in a few days though this milling machine is not as heavy as yours, I just hope the trucking company is careful not to damage it, once again thankyou I absolutely loved it. Jim from Australia.
Great to see you again! Can't wait for your next project.
Super enjoyable video to watch. Great job on the move.
Oh boy. You're nervous and you're giving me a good laugh. I'm getting a PM833TV and looking for ideas on how to lift it on to the stand.
It's great to see you Dale! I always enjoy your videos.
A come-along or small winch does wonders for going down ramps. I loaded my whole shop onto a trailer that way.
We went to a machinery auction. They were trying to pick up some kind of tool grinder. It had 4 holes like yours. They hooked a chain in two of the holes diagonal across the base. My BIL and I were setting near waiting for my son to go get a skid steer and trailer to load the Bridgeport mill that he had bought. My BIL and I moved the hell out of the way when they started lifting it with a front end loader on a little tractor. Sure enough, as soon as it cleared the floor, it flipped over on its side and pretty well destroyed itself.
Thanks for the story. I seen similar one play out too.
outstanding lots of good advice you have lots of energy thank you
Hi Dale,
Great to see you back. Was beginning to wounder where you had gone doing machining.
Be safe moving all that and look forward to more great videos of you building something cool after you have set up.
Keep well
Whew, what a job. Very glad you're back. Good luck out in Cal.
Well, so much for the hope that you were going to move into my neighborhood (or at least close by).
Glad you're back. I can sympathize with having to move your stuff all by yourself, I've had to do it several times.
Thanks for sharing the video!
Glad I got to meet you while you were here buddy. Best of luck in Cali!
Just met Dale and visited his workshop today. Good to meet you. In watching this video I am struck by an irony, that your new neighbors with warehouses across the street and to the right from you have a forklift (which you know now but probably wouldn't have known then)... but not sure they would have lent it to you anyway.... and if they did video would have been less interesting.
Sheesh Dale, had me worried balancing the mill on the hoist. Your way braver than I am.
Its not bravery, it's knowledge, and skill :-)
Build Something Cool I new you had it handled. You could tell that you’ve done that before.
I think a lot of people getting into bigger and larger machines need to see how important it is to have stuff like lifting straps and an engine hoist, they may not be as sexy as a milling machine or surface grinder but i've never regretted spending the money on an engine hoist for even a second!
I've recently moved my workshop and same as you used an engine hoist to I wish I had thought to widen the hoist it would have saved me a lot of issues.
….14:00.....how about stacking a few pallets under the mill, then lower it and grab it from the top?
I did something similar, but I used 2x4 because that what I had😀
At the edge of my seat watching this. Tiedown straps for lifting heavy stuff, wow! Better not have a major accident working alone and couldn't call for help. Reminds me of the guy got crushed working underneath the car and no one around.
Good too see your back. A massive change in countryside!!!
From deep forest to open ocean. LAUGHT OUT LOUD
That was a good idea using the 2x4's. Now you live only about an hour and a half away from me.
The grid work you built isn't a new idea, but you showed a great way of applying it that I'm sure many will find useful. Good to see you again, thanks for sharing.
Wow... looking at your wooden grid there is a word that comes to mind.. pallets!
Great video with lots of nice tips, tricks, and good advice. Wish you would have shown the "8 thousand ton ram from Harbor Freight" (@7:03). Guess you decided that was over kill and went with the 8 ton instead...
Did I really say that?🤔😜😀
Yikes! From Georgia to California. Not sure about that one. Looking forward to more videos though
Love the wooden grid!
I frequently move machine tools for myself and friends as we outfit our shops. If you have to do it again and use a trailer, rent one with a liftgate.
Nice move Dale:-) Stuff safe on the ground is always a good feeling. Moved a 6500lbs (guess) beast on Tuesday over 100 miles.
Was glad to get it on the shop floor. Nice to see you back👌
Brilliant! That grid work is amazing. Too cool. Really, it's inspired. That jack under the mill, I saw your problem when you stuck it under, and we both came to the same conclusion. I'm glad you didn't bend anything.
Hope the new digs don't slide into the Pacific before you move to the next location!!! Take care!
Good to see you again Dale!
welcome to calif dale. there are still a few of us old hold outs staying here and putting up with the b.s. now you can do a bay area bash with the nor cal machinist buddy boys. cooler climate too
Glad to see you're back!
Thanks
I moved my shop almost as far, about 2 years ago. Took me 2 days to load the truck, with 2 buddies helping. When I got to the new place, I rented a forklift. Best $200 ever spent! Whole truck unloaded... by myself... in about 2 hours. :O
Well how fun is that your on this coast. And I am on the other side of the bay north in Santa Rosa. Welcome!
I know Santa rosa. It has the third Harbor freight I have been to
@@BuildSomthingCool if your in Santa Rosa again stop by my shop at Stanroy Music Center and say Hi. Also you should see Bataeff Salvage Co in the south side of Santa Rosa...... A very cool place.
Looks like you have the same problem i do when it is time to move - friends , family and anyone i have ever known seem to vanish ! You should make up a dedicated lift pad for your hoist that has a pivot point so it can self level when you lift the mill that way - you could possibly make it so it locks into the dovetails and clamps to them . If i ever move again i will be hiring a truck with a tailgate lifter !
So now you're in California you don't have far to go for the bar z bash 2019 !
Good luck with the rest of the move, nice thought giving Steve the grinder/chuck
I know he will put them to good use, and we will get to watch it :-)
Needed a truck with a lift gate, lol! I had to move a shop, and that was the way I went...
Love the 2x4 grid. Will have to remember this in future moves.
Nice to see you again Dale
Well Welcome back. Can't believe anyone would move to Cali. Must be job related for your wife. Looking forward to more Videos.
Good luck on the rest of the move.
Glad to see you back...good job in moving safely. You needed help. If you ever move to Florida, let me know and I will help you unload. I met you at Keith Rucker's first shop workday. Be safe in California.
I live in kalifornia, would love to move to another state, except I hate the cold. I was working in the Puerto Rico region during the hurricanes last year, at the end of my adventure, the plane stopped in Atlanta, I went from summer to winter, instantly, I didn't think it got that cold in Atlanta. Here in kalifornia, we get what I think are both extremes, but since Half Moon Bay is on the coast, you may not need air conditioning and it doesn't get all that cold.
I've thought of packing up my shop and moving, but all of my machinery, I wondered it it would be better to just sell it and buy used or new stuff after the move? So it appears it's going to take you at least two truck fulls, wow, what a trip.
I hope it all works out for you here, at least you aren't far from the San Jose area, there is quite a bit of industry there, would be good for your hobby. I'm in the Sacramento area, it's a cow town here, not much industry.
Jim
Good to see on line again. Seems that your new location is in my backyard. I reside in San Jose. When you get settled I would like to come visit you in the shop. Let me know if that's okay. Catch you later.
Nice job Dale moved and lifted the same way, made me nervous though. If you need any extra hands and help moving I might be up for a road trip 😁. Would like to visit once you get settled.
Without giving away too much personal information of course, I think it'd be interesting for your viewers why it may be that you move so often?
Work
"Running, dodging danger...." Great Marty Robbins song.
rambling bone,
Witness relocation program or running from the mob...
Owes his bookie money.
Glad you're back!
I moved a 1200# band saw off my truck by using a 2 ton chain hoist and putting 3/4" black pipe under the band saw to roll it down a 10' ramp using the chain hoist as a brake and slow release. Just make sure your point of the hoist placement on the band saw is high enough to compensate for the shift in the center of gravity when gong down the ramp --easy
glad to see a new vid
I watched you move before which was a learning experience sense I was moving machinery with a trailer. Now you used a different method that maybe someday Ill use this bit of info with a rental van. Welcome to my neck of the woods, SF bay Area, I'm just across the bay
Did alright there, it may have got a little sketchy but i think you kept it practical and im gona say safe.
That was great. Now I am wondering and I like to see how you will arrange all this stuff. In a case that you make a video for that please give an explanation and the reason for your decisions.
2019 plans...
Dale moves to Hawaii.
Loads & unloads the inflatable dinghy himself.
Good to see you getting it done!!!
I hoisted my Bridgeport [column and knee only] about 12" with 2 ton engine hoist and 1 of the castors snapped. Lucky it landed flat and didn't tip. Don't think I could handle the stress of lifting the whole mill that high
It worked but I'd be real nervous using tie down straps for lifting
Tie down strips are not meant for lifting at all and you did not even use the grown up version truckers use (2“ wide?). Dirk Nowitzki uses those as shoelaces! So I hardly breathed through the whole operation with maschinery putting in around two tons. You should mark the date permanently in your calender and celebrate with a good whisky that you survived that stunt!
You should have welded a support on the extension you made for that engine hoist. There is a shitload of force pulling on that little area of the extension. remember...gravity is your enemy when you move heavy machinery.
To make a lathe or similar stuff rest safely on a concrete floor make some small stands where the screws can rest inside and put some roofing paper beneath it. The roofing paper will settle into the small pores of the concrete and prevent the machine from "walking away" from you due to vibrations.
Dang , you didn't see the issue with all that mill weight on the angled engine hoist beam ? I wonder how the edge of the ways look with 2000lbs compressed on 2.5" of engine hoist bar ? Man your scary (but happy)
what part of the country did you move too? @metaltips&tricks
I know what it's like trying to move a large milling machine by yourself. The last time I moved my beast of a machine I had it on a pallet jack and I was just moving it into a garage until it was ready to be moved to another site. The problem was getting it up over the 1 inch high concrete lip where the garage door comes down. So I built some wood ramps but getting it to roll up those ramps was very difficult. The wheels just sunk into the wood. When the come-along failed to pull it up the ramps I tried pushing the pallet jack with the back bumper of my truck. As I pushed it the milling machine tipped over but wedged itself against the garage door wall so it didn't fall completely over but it was still on the pallet jack which was also tipped with two of the wheels off the ground! So then I had to somehow get it tipped back upright. Amazingly I tied a rope to the top and pulled it with my truck and in an incredible stroke of luck it popped back upright while still on the pallet jack AND the wheels were up over the 1 inch garage door lip! It was the luckiest day of my life.
(Laugh!) I would say so. It solved that problem! I've used steel plate over wood with success - and in one case had to use channel iron (two heavy, 20 foot long pieces) going back into the shop, with pieces of pipe under the machine and a come-along to move it. We got it over a gap and lip that way. I was quite busy moving it, putting new lengths of pipe under the leading edge and pulling them after the machine came off of them!
What was the beast?
It is a large Bridgeport mill but it's also a 3 axis CNC machine so it has an extra 500 pounds of crap bolted on to it. The first day I bought it and I unloaded it from the trailer I used my VERY heavy duty engine hoist and it bent one of the bottom square pipe forks. It also sheared a 1/2 inch steel bolt on the engine hoist. I was shocked to see this thick half inch bolt with a wicked jog in it and then sheared completely off.
I used to own a couple of those - actually Bridgeport machining centers. I went in on a deal with another person to buy three of them for a really good price (they were going to be kept on his property while all three were fixed) - and as soon as I got one going, the jackass threw me and the other two machines out. I had them stored at another shop, but eventually the guy needed the space - I couldn't get them moved in time (too heavy for most movers), and lost them (many years ago, and I don't have a place for something like that).
Yeah, a half-inch bolt would do that, especially one that wasn't hardened. I think that the size used for the lift points on my machines were 1 inch, but they may have been bigger. It took a really heavy crane truck to move them.
Those old Bridgeport machines worked great, especially if you could rig up something to keep the stepper drive compartment cool and clean - and had a box of spare transistors. They were RUGGED. I liked working on them and used to have all the schematics and other things like that.
Yeah, mine must have come from a machining center because it has a big number 4 on the head. It's a V2XT-DX32 mid 1990's era machine. Here is a video of the actual machine I own that was posted by the previous owner before I bought it. ua-cam.com/video/vQBjgEnxrDc/v-deo.html And here is another video that shows a more complete shot of the mill but still doesn't do it justice as to how huge the machine actually is ua-cam.com/video/OBL_udE0fxA/v-deo.html
well Dale all I can say is you are a good man, why I 'll tell you why, first you did not injure yourself, and 2 you did it all alone....not many people would even try this but you did.....congrats to you ,I'd like to shake your hand, until the next one take care and stay safe,.....ray
Great solution.
GOOD JOB!!! You Made it.
Good job. I used to repair machinery (including CNC/NC and other tools of all types), and you did things right - except the mill, which I thought you were lucky (I stopped sweating when you added the straps holding the mill from sliding).
I have used a multi-strap arrangement so that the mill is suspended from (preferably chains, but have had to use straps a couple of times) going to four high-as-possible points on the base, plus straps to the table (four is best) and at least three on the head. Chains are nice for that (get ones strong enough) because they don't stretch until they're close to the breaking point - so once tensioned, you're not going to get movement at that point. I'd really rather use a forklift strong enough, with plenty of straps and chains holding the load firmly secure - or a crane if available. (Sometimes you can only use a crane, for the big ones.) (Laugh) a engine hoist modified like that - good idea especially when it's one of those weird small moves.
I've also had a broken mill - in spite of a dozen straps and a couple of chains, a hidden pothole got me. It bounced the trailer the mill was on so hard that everything loosened (a couple of straps broke as I remember), and I had to manhandle the thing back on after it bounced off. I ended up having to make a new acme thread screw for X - bent the original, and broke the end casting on that side. That was a piece of equipment I took in trade for getting a man's shop up and running again - helping him out as he was having a hard time (major equipment failure). I quickly learned that I don't like using utility trailers without much modification!!!
When I was helping to move machines, most of the equipment required a crane to move it. Usually the control and electronics were separate, and even though everything worked when I started tearing the unit down, I always told the new owner to NOT take any work for it until we had it working at their shop. Even the best drivers cannot avoid their load to get shaken up and invariably something will get knocked out of kilter (in spite of good packing). Usually it's minor... but aggravating. Re-aligning and leveling is also not something that can be rushed.
BTW - your support framework was adequate... most of the machine moves involving trucks like that (not flatbeds and so on) had a framework like that built in place. One exception is that there was additional framework going up to the ceiling - and support braces a little above the machines. Straps ran from the framework down to each (plus the way you had it).
Hey Dale thanks for all your insight over the years. I bought a Chinese milling vise after seeing your video and for what we do its perfect, plus $400 cheaper. Here's a request I have not been able to find - owning an vintage lathe vs new. Example from what I can find old lathes run much slower so does that mean inserts are meaningless with them? Seems so. We have an old South Bend. New lathes all seem to have high RPM ranges and older very slow such as 800 to 1000. I have also learned the hard way on vintage parts prices, have ExCellO mill and parts are hard to find and very expensive, so we make them. Anyway your ideas on old vs new would be something of interest, at least to those of us that moved out of La La Land as fast as we could and moved to Arizona:)
Cheers
Vector Warbirds USA
Talk about taking risks!
It's a wonder that engine hoist picked up a ton, and to balance it on the end of the boom!
You can hire a forklift far cheaper that a dropped machine might cost or a crushed person.
It wouldn't have lifted my machines, my Archdale horizontal is around 2.25 tons.
Glad to see you are back making a video
These videos always make me nervous. I have seen machinery seriously damaged just because of trying to save dollars when moving equipment worth thousands. But hey you made it work.
Real interesting to see, glad it worked out well!
Couple of sketchy moments there Dale but all is well..I would have done things a bit different with the final lowering of the mill, but glad it worked for you...
SAFELY!
You do know I'm only a phone call away...
Razor!
Hey Dale, don't you have an older video where you show a trailer that lowers to the ground to make it easier to load up equipment? Or am remembering who published that video wrong? I can't seem to find it by looking at all of your video titles and thumbnails, so maybe it was just part of another video? Thanks!
I have talked about it, but I can’t remember if it was on instagram or UA-cam
My heart stopped when you lowered your mill. When I took my mill off my trailer the mill was on a pallet jack. I sweated getting it off the trailer. Got it off the trailer on the pallet jack. Then when moving it into the garage I discovered and uneven area on the floor...the mill did a slow speed tumble off of the pallet jack ( you can't reach out and stop 2000 lbs!). A bent Y axis screw, degree wheel and handle later....about $300 in damage. Uggh! Everyone please be careful when moving this heavy stuff!
Wow! That is my biggest nightmare. Lucky it was only $300 bucks
That milling machine lift was definitely a little sketchy! Glad to see you safe in California.
"....safe in California." Maybe if it's Northern California..!!
You should invest in some more serious straps. I would not count on those silly things to hold. I was also surprised you didn't notice the problem with the boom wedged under the mill head... Luckily everything worked out great. Good luck with your future endeavors.
Good to see a new video, a lot to learn there. Maybe you should embrace micro-machining or just convert a semi-trailer into a shop. I hate moving, the last two each took about two years.
Welcome to Half Moon Bay! I live just outside of town!
Reminds me of every time I move heavy equipment around, but this guy is crazy enough to do it twice. Might have to copy that engine hoist mod, though :)
good job on the show and tell
Moved to California? I'm so sorry for your loss.
Tired of hurricanes?
Good to get you back.
Always blame it on the cat! Glad to see you're back!
Good job all moved safely then all good.
Sorry to say Im not all move in. I still have one more truck to go. :-)
That's quite the move. I would love to get a used mill someday but evaluating if the machine is worth buying is outside of my comfort zone, and moving it scares me to death.
Maybe this makes me a little more comfortable in planning to move a machine...
most people are moving out of california
Yeah. Georgia is a much better state to live in than California.
California sucks in so many ways
@apollo robb Who told you to have that opinion?
FISHBREATHH
And that’s why real estate is so cheap in California.
@@badwolfhs7815 many trips to Cali leaving being the greater idea lol
What a place for an advertisement, just as you started down the ramp with the band saw! LOLOL Watched Steve Summers working on the grinder you gave him. Good choice, he seems to be a good family man. The 4-jaw looks good too. - Milling Machine - saw that coming. Great work overall. BTW why are you in California??
Hey where is my royalties check for that clip!!!! lol 14:10 ever here of cribbing? :-)
The check is in the mail
Only Brian can do it right lol
well all his 2x4 were tied up in the truck
Nice try!!!!!
Looks like you made it safely!
Always moving... Why not settle down?
how did you move your lathes?
I didn’t move them. I sold them. Then bought one in SFO. It was easier and. Cheaper. 😀
Did you have to stop at any truck weighing scales? If so how much did you weigh?
No! I just drove by
This hurts to watch. I have moved my shop a few times. My rules are to always have a forklift, rent a high deck truck (so you can load from the side without the wheel well interfering), and tie everything down to the deck. Trying to cheap out when moving is poor economy. A moving truck is not designed to move heavy point loads (loads that can exert large forces on a small area). Most serious trucks are open air, because it is too difficult (and not worth it) to load and unload a box truck. You can always cover the machines with tarps, and if done correctly will leave the machines dry even after driving through a rainstorm.
Finally, I always have a friend or two when loading/unloading. At the very least having a second set of eyes helps a lot.
One time I learned a lot was when moving a mill with the forklift. I has depalleting with the forklift and had untied the straps to the pallet, then was just lifting the mill with the forklift. I got clumsy with the forklift control and the mill started to rock back and forth on the lift. About all we could do is stop and hope it settled down. It did. From that learned: tie everything down. Even to lift the mill a few inches up, tie the mill to the forklift.