SUV still have better step in height than a conventional wagon. Each have their place, wagons handle better but SUVs have in general a more comfortable step in height and sitting position. Not to mention because in the US wagons are not popular... There's just not enough choice
Loved the U.S. wagon market comparison at the end. I was in the market for an offroad-ish wagon last year, and came to nearly all the same conclusions as you. Bought an A4 Allroad, and I'm very happy.
I'd love a 4x4 wagon. My budget drives me to the Outback. I'm a Subaru fan since a boy, but I would love to have a little more power and fun in the Outback. I just hope the 2020 will have a turbo
@@DoctorSkillz Ah someone who has driven both, I find the ride of many SUVs to be ridiculous and makes it harder to get in and out of (and I'm tall person), i much prefer a sedan-based wagon to any crossover.
@@MrMrich69 So a taller door height, higher seating position, and other larger overall dimensions make it more difficult for you? Where is this mythical wagon that is so easy for tall people to get into?
@@DoctorSkillz I have never needed those things as a tall person. So I really don't know what your talking about. But if you lfove those things then get a truck or a truck-based SUV (or perhaps a minivan) but a crossover is really an impractical vehicle that is to tall to be a car and but can not really offer the utility of a truck.
Merry Christmas Alex and thanks for another year of professional and comprehensive car reviews. My wish for 2019 is that wagons become available to all classes of car buyers . There are plenty now offered by the luxury brands but we need #WagonsForTheRestOfUs
I completely agree. There are a growing number of wagons in the market again, but these options primarily exist in the luxury class. I know the Americans are getting rid of cars altogether, but the VW Passat Wagon and Mazda6 Wagon, would be a nice addition to our market, as would the Subaru Levorg. I feel like buyers of VW, Mazda and Subaru are wagon people already, and that would not be a stretch.
@@diegomontoya8889 And the Mazda 6 wagon is already marketed elsewhere in the world. There was a great looking Fusion wagon (Mondeo) in Europe. I was under the impression that the Buick wagon won't be around long, since it's actually an Opel/Vauxhall and GM has spun off the brand (or cut their losses); they're now owned by Groupe PSA of France, parent of Citroen, Peugeot and DS. I'll say this, I see a lot of VW wagons here in the northeast USA. It may be that BMW is doing Volvo a big favor by stopping shipment of the 3 wagon to North America. If the wagon is a niche, Volvo is going to be very happy to own that niche.
@@satnitcboy For the record, I want to see the new Corolla wagon they sell in Europe. It comes in gasoline and hybrid versions and looks to be a bit bigger than a Golf wagon.
@@satnitcboy Yeah, that Mondeo wagon in Europe is a nice looking estate, but Ford is dropping almost all their cars from the lineup, at least Stateside. And you are 100% correct about the Buick. It's based on the Opel and Opel has already dropped that platform (and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe GM and Opel went their separate ways?). So the state of Wagons still leaves a lot to be desired. Furthermore, I still consider the Subaru Outback to be a wagon, but if you search 2020 Subaru Outback, most forums seem to believe the future of the Outback will be as a crossover, not as a wagon. As you'll note, Subaru has not put the Outback onto there 'Global Architecture' Platform yet, but they have with the CrossTrek.
The V90 R-Design T6 AWD is my favorite wagon, followed by the Subaru Levorg 2.0 GT and 2019 Toyota Corolla Tourer. Unfortunately one cost an arm and a leg and the other two aren't even offered in this market.
Excellent review, as always. I, too, want Volvo to offer the V60 in the T8 trim in the US. Glad to see that I can get a wagon without the body-cladding and added height of the Allroad and Cross-Country.
I adore these seats with regard to the cloth and it's design. It's disheartening to hear they aren't that comfy. Love the looks of this wagon for sure. Great review as always Alex!
If Volvo offered the T8 plugin hybrid in the US I would buy it in a heartbeat. Currently driving the Kia Optima plugin and the trunk space is too limited. We need a plug-in wagon!
Great review as always! Glad to see the review unit was the entry level trim with the city weave cloth seats. We’re considering one optioned very close to this configuration, in denim blue. We would ditch Momentum trim and cloth seats for the t8 if it were an option. Our current plan is to wait and see if the t8 will be available as a 2020 MY before upgrading the wife’s 2016 V60. So as requested, we are a solid sale if the t8 (non CC) V60 were to come to the US. Do it, Volvo!!
Glad Volvo increased rear seat legroom. That was the only reason I turned down a V60 in 2016 in favor of the S60i that had an extra 3 inches. If shopping today I would choose the wagon.
@Alex ... I'd buy a 2020 V60 Cross Country - and I did! Two weeks old so far, it's a wonderful vehicle so far. Thanks for the great video to help me choose.
My TSX Wagon, with its excellent suspension, steering and high quality leather seats, is a screaming bargain...even in the base version. It is a shame that Honda gave up on wagons.
Choice of any wagon? Definetley the Mercedes Benz AMG E63S Wagon... All day every day. If we're talking my more realistic choice then I'd take this V60 in either T-6 R design trim or the Inscription trim for sure.
Aside from "wow that's kewl" I never "get" the AMG version of the E wagon. Yes, it's fast. So what? The speed is almost completely unusable. And the sacrifice in harshness (it's so stiff as to be undriveable in the Northeast USA), reliability and economy just doesn't make any sense. As poor as Volvo's reliability reputation, my experience with Mercedes in the last 10 years has demonstrated that you lease it for 2 years, pray it stays out of the shop, and leave the $10,000 problems to someone else.
Would probably chose the V60 cc. Very nice looking car. I love the size category and ground clearance it would give me without committing to an SUV, which I drive the new XC60 now.
I had a 2015 V60 redesign and while I loved it it fell short in many levels. I wanted to get the new V60 but found the infotainment thing to be slow and complicated. Also the 6 cylinder was dropped in place of a 4. I prefer the smoothness of a 6 cylinder. So I switched to BMW. But it's a shame we can't get more wagons in North America such as Audi a6 wagon or bmw 5 series wagon - even if you want one you can't special order it in - which is bizarre. Kudos to Mercedes for keeping the e63 - low volume seller but they obviously care about meeting their customers needs.
My top pick (and hopefully an owner of one soon) is the E63 S wagon! Just gotta wait a couple more years for depreciation haha. The V60 though is an excellent wagon!
Do you really think it's some deep conspiracy at GM? They just didn't sell. Give credit to Cadillac for bringing them to market in the first place even when the market was clearly moving toward CUVs. But as stupid as they may seem, GM is not stupid enough to kill a model that is selling well. Try to find a used Caddy wagon. You can't, because they didn't sell any new ones.
We have a 2016 V 60 and absolutely love it more and more each time we drive it. The infotainment system is old school and pretty much a bust, but we don't care. The sound system is awesome and that's what matters to us. And we have had zero service issues. Thx for the great reviews Alex!!
What was a "bust" about the old one? It was pretty much the same as iDrive (but with the knob on the waterfall console). With the 2015 refresh, it ticked off most things and to this day is probably better than Command and probably on-par with all but the newest BMW versions.
@@georgesnyder5337 George....our V60 has a 3G modem, which is so slow that it's basically useless. Indexing data into the nav system is very cumbersome with the rotating knob for selecting letters. The voice activation is not accurate enough. Sending a destination via the phone app to the nav system is ok, but not always convenient. We use our phones for navigation, so not a big concern. Now, the sound system in the V60 is awesome. Fantastic. Love it.
That infotainment is terrible. I prefer physical buttons for most things. (e.g. HVAC) Also, if you’re selling a luxury brand and are going to put most controls into the system, you should be using a very fast SOC to run it on.
Sensus is really easy to use after couple of minutes....so owning it is no problem. It's more the longevity of the system and the support (updates) that worry me. If you're born many decades ago, it could be an issue, but it's really not. Using an tablet or smartphone is no different... Don't forget that Volvo will probably have the first car to have Android running the whole car infotainment system....it's the future... Audi and Volvo are going that route with apps and Google Maps embedded (traffic, Google account, GSM connection, etc...) with nice integration in the driver cluster. That probably is the reason why I would wait for the 2020 V60...don,t know if the 2019 will be updated with Android....
How confident can we be about the future support of gasoline powered Volvos if the company is saying that going forward they are going to be making only electric and hybrid models?
I think the pedestrian/cyclist/animal) detection is standard in all volvo cars since 2015 models. It is an integral part in the collision warning and autonomous braking starting from 2015
The V60 looks bigger than the VW Alltrack, yet the Alltrack apparently has substantially more cargo room with 30 sq ft seats up/66 sq ft seats down compared to 23/51 for the V60. I haven't seen the V60 in person but it seems surprising to me. I know the Alltrack is not in the same class, but one needs to be flexible when shopping in the wagon market, and the V60 CC would be stretching up for me. It's nearly perfect for my tastes but a little tight for cargo. Thinking I'll compare the V60 CC, Alltrack, TourX and 2020 Outback XT.
They are NOT headrests,they are head restraints to protect head in a crash ,fixed because that is the Position which works. You don't realise the LED running lights are shaped as the Swedish Thor hammer! Who cares about BMW, this is about the Volvo 👍
Headrest is a generally accepted industry term. Clearly fixed locations are not required because Volvo uses an adjustable design in the XC40 and will also feature them on other small cars.
The head restraint position only 'works' if your height is within a specific range. If it's outwith that, you can't adjust it to sit correctly so I think it was a fair point to make.
Nice Professional,and informative review. At first glance it seems like a nice wagon with some good things going for it. But the more info you gave the more it seemed overly complicated for my taste. I believe I would prefer just a little bit simpler,and maybe abit less Fashionable in return for more practicality.Although it does sound like it has excellent power and MPG.
You made me think how great a Acura TLX SH-AWD wagon with the V6 would be. Yea I'd probably trade my TSX wagon in for one. Just got to keep the price down :)
Out of all the reviews I have seen so far you have been most informative on the V60 on the interior etc. Thank you . I am from Australia and I just bought my first 2020 v60 :D
@@benjidowning2609 update: i ended up cancelling the order got my money back and got a 2020 Renault koleos black edition. Solid car and saved myself over 15k
I've always found it incredibly strange how manufacturers say "oh, Americans don't buy wagons, so we don't offer them in as many trims or with as many drivetrains." Then I talk to people who are in the market for cars, and they say "I would love to buy *such and such* wagon, but they don't offer it in the trim I want or with the drivetrain I want, so I'm going to buy something else." Manufacturers PREVENT the wagon market from ever taking off here by starving it of selection. Maybe the people I talk to are a small market, but I know there are more wagon sales possible in the United States if manufacturers offered wagons in more trims and with more drivetrain choices. What manufacturers need to realize is that the wagon buyer is typically YOUNGER and more of an ENTHUSIAST. They are looking for a utility vehicle that does 90% of an SUV but with the superior on-road performance of a car...preferably, a somewhat sporty car. Maybe slightly less true of Volvo buyers. But I can guarantee that BMW would sell a lot of 3 Wagons in M sport, 40i, and M3 variants, Audi would sell a fair deal of S4 and RS4 Avants, and Subaru would sell a lot of WRX hatchbacks in the United States if they bothered...
They sell plenty of wagons. They're just covered in ugly plastic lifted 3", and called crossovers now. It really sucks to have to order suspension lowering bits for a new car just to have it sit at the correct ride height but that's the market for ya these days.
I'd like to agree, but I don't know if we can trust the idea that the market is leading the consumers - though it could be true. I've noted watching Brit reviews that there has been a Fusion wagon (Mondeo) and a Fusion hatch (maybe if Ford had tried that here they wouldn't be giving up on sedans.) Also, the Mazda 6 is available in other markets as a great looking wagon. If I were buying a new car right now it would def be one of the Volvo wagons - function, good driving, decent economy, GREAT looks in and out, and it's not just another small truck disguised as a car - or vice versa.
I share your frustration, Matt. Having owned both Volvo and Saab "sportswagons" in the past, I still miss them. But I think you've ignored an issue that came up in our family several years ago. My wife and many of her female friends place a higher priority on visibility in urban/suburban traffic that what you term "superior on road performance." And with the roads packed with SUV's and jacked up pickups, many drivers feel their most reasonable option is to join the crowd in a vehicle with a higher driver's seating position. It's like nuclear deterrence, of course. As drivers opt for SUV's in defense, it only makes the problem worse. In our family the Kia Sorento crossover is my wife's daily driver. And she chose it over a wagon specifically because she feels more confident in a vehicle where she's not sitting at the level of other vehicles' wheels.
I would like to have seen more photos of the cargo area with the rear seats down. Volvo claims widely varying cargo area specs with the seats folded. All of them seem extremely small.
I went to go look at one of these today in Houston, only to find that not a single dealership carries one. And it turns out they just killed the T6 option. Only special order for these guys. Oh well.
rmb9311 that and the infotainment system that controls everything. Wish it had more physical buttons so you didn’t have to search for commonly used functions like heated seats and climate controls. If the infotainment fails your up $hit creek.
George Snyder The thing that worries me is if the screen dies you lose access to all your controls. Much more expensive and complicated than dedicated buttons.
Depends on how well they designed the head gasket. The problem with Volvo isn't their engines but the computerized "accoutrements". Getting back to the engine I'd say (because it's turbo charged, and sometimes super charged) about 100,000 miles. Baby it with regular oil changes and new filters every 3000-4000 miles and you could get more---if the infotainment smorgasbord they have going on here holds out. My guess is it won't and you'll be glad you merely Leased it for a few years before running away screaming into the night.
Thanks for the review and Merry Christmas Alex! Are the seats the same size and shape as the base Momentum seats in the XC90? I absolutely love the City Weave and I find the base Momentum seats (in the XC90) very comfortable. I’d like to see more drivetrain options including electrification but I personally would prefer a T5 AWD.
Alex: Jaguar has finally, in the U.S., come with a "Prestige" wagon, which unlike the XF-S powered wagon, was the only wagon configuration you could buy in 2018, has a 300 H.P. 4 cylinder as opposed to the 360 H.P. Supercharged 6. It would be great to compare that with this. You are the guy to do it. Thanks.
@@normt5463 No. First they came with the XF Sportbrake last year in the S guise with a 360 HP 6 cylinder supercharged only. In Europe they have it in diesel and a 247 HP 4 cylinder. Now they finally offer a 300 HP 4 new prestige model here.
@@7mgeller "Just yesterday we brought you a report indicating that the British automaker was preparing to withdraw its mid-size wagon from the North American market. But a spokesperson for the automaker now assures us that's not the case. "The current Jaguar XF Sportbrake remains in the lineup and is available at retailers and for ordering,” Jaguar's Maria Rodriguez informed CarBuzz by correspondence." Carbuzz March 2019
These new Volvos are pure sex. They're going to dominate the luxury market if they keep this up. And that's before mentioning Volvo anything are the safest vehicles in their respective classes.
Wrong. Volvos are not safer than anything else. I suspect, they were safest vehicles before you were born. Back in good old times, Volvo was made for a Swedish market. Tough winters required thick metals that didn't rust through in a couple of years. Volvos were like tanks. But these days their safety innovation is in electronics just like every other car. Another thing that added to Volvo "safety" - Volvo kept saying that no one died in one of their cars. I mean, if you sell 10 cars there is a good chance that more people will die in cars that sell more. Volvo tanks were definitely safer than most American cars, which we know how were built.
@@theodorekell Volvo vehicles all passed the IIHS's small overlap crash test when it was first introduced in the late 00s, virtually everyone else's vehicles failed and needed beefed up crash structures in order to pass it, Volvos didn't. Go look at IIHS crash tests and look at the pictures, Volvos across the board hold up better than other brands. The gap has narrowed a lot (which is fantastic for everybody honestly, safety FTW), but I'd still trust a Volvo to protect me over anything else. There's even a video of a V70 crashing into a giant Scania truck head-on in a small overlap crash and the driver coming out fine. Volvos are still over-engineered for safety. Just look at all the crazy tests they put their cars through at their facility in Sweden. Even the seats in their cars are engineered to reduce forces on the spine in crashes where the vehicle goes airborne. My next car will be a Volvo.
@@MrHav1k So did the Honda vehicles. All but smallest Fit passed overlap from the beginning. In fact, Hondas are some of the safest cars. I had 2 friends who had Accord and MDX destroyed in accidents but both walked out un-injured. I t-boned some one @45mph in 1990 Civic and walked out with some scratches. I am confident that any MB or BMW are as safe or more safe than Volvo. These cars are built for high speed and for crashes at that speed, look: ua-cam.com/video/KbdH-J6UoYI/v-deo.html
I like the floor height of Sedans and the seating position of SUV. You can call it a CUV. And example of which is Kia Rondo 2007~2012. I hope automakers move away from sedans and wagons and move towards CUV, which is not only more practical than SUV, but also drives better. I love my 2008 Kia Rondo. Everytime I go to test other vehicles, I always conclude my Rondo is just perfect.
Buick Active Twin Clutch can send 100% torque to a single wheel, while Acura SH-AWD only sends 70% fore or aft. That why SH-AWD fails the three roller test with one wheel on the ground. The TourX also offers the same 295 lb-ft of torque or same as the T6.
@@埼玉はぱ We just drove two and they are very nice compared to my Envision. The Envision has less road noise and has a better "think to the doors closing but is quieter overall. The TourX does ride better over road protections and the icing on the cake is a $41K TourX is under $29K or almost half the price of the V60.
I wish reviewers would include reliability and maintenance in their reviews, I will be buying the V60, I like the audi a4 avant we get in europe, but not the audi reliabilty and issues that come with it
With new vehicles we really don't know what the reliability will be. I think it's better to send folks to reliability research sites for their prognostications.
Alex, I'm thinking some iteration of the V60 is my choice - though I haven't tested it or been inside, and I'd like to compare space and comfort with the V90 (I'm 6'3"). I think both of them are great looking, but from where the driver sits I like the dashboard of the V60 better - I don't care for that big slab of wood trim on the 90, whereas the more sculptural trim on the 60 cars is to my eye sleeker. As far as getting one of them, if that should happen it will hinge on how the car "feels." That goes for the CC versions as well - though I'm disposed to like the lower riding wagon, I can see how the CC might be just that more versatile. If I did get a CC I'd have to go with one of the colors that offers full paint over the wheel cladding - don't much like the grey plastic.
My standard most important test for a car, or anything else including public enclosed spaces, is a variant of "shit, my car's on fire!" speed of exit test. In this regard this car fails. Didn't you find the door aperture height too low to get your head out before your body? To compound this, the A pillar slopes back so far that there is no advantage to bending your head forward and down. It is also very low to the ground overall to such an extent that if you parallel park alongside a kerb, you are effectively crawling out at pavement level in a most undignified way. Same goes for S and V90 models. V60 Cross Country improves on the pavement test but overall still fails the 'Oh shit my car's on fire!' test.
So you'd prefer a very fast, tall ground clearance = poor handling, car (or should I say "vehicle")? This is a European car, where there are still some people left who value good handling over driving something that handles like a Conestoga wagon (that is, SUVs). The V60 fills a niche.
@@markg1531 Very low cars are in steep decline everywhere. They are fast becoming a niche market. But that is not my point. Even low cars can have practical door apertures that are not proportioned for girls and midgets. Two examples of doors designed for midgets are the S and V 60 and 90 Volvo's and the Peugeot 2008 and family. No need for this, because there is no such issue with, for instance, the Ford Fiesta and Focus. If cars are built for only the more petite and athletic among us, they are indeed destined to be a very niche product.
Why doesn’t Volvo offer a cross country version? In snowy parts of the world we need some higher ground clearance but not necessarily higher center of gravity that comes with suv/cuvs
It's funny that that happens - on the other hand, most recent Volvo reviews I've seen have provided cars that include the $3200 B&W stereo. And every reviewer praises it, and says "You gotta get it", though that wouldn't be first on my list of extras.
The most intelligent test and review I've come across on youtube. Thank you for tackling the handling - so important. If a Genesis G70 3.3T wagon existed, with a sport package, that's what I'd buy in an instant. As it is, I think I'll get the V60 T6 Inscription, possibly with the Polestar option. I agree about your regrets about the absence of the 2020 BMW M340i wagon but I saw the new BMW M340i sedan at the LA car show a few weeks ago and to my mind it's just beyond ugly. Probably designed primarily for the Chinese. I'm also considering the new BMW X2 M35i - I wonder how its handling compares to the V60s? Are you going to test one soon?
@@tdf6893 I got a stinger GT two. It was nice, comfortable and fast but a tremendous gas guzzler. I have sold it. I’m done with fast cars. I now drive a new Mazda CX 30 awd and I love it for its comfort, beauty and practicality. It’s a modest car but a very competent one.
Alex, I think that you should offer a service where you present products from other companies the way that you also do cars. I think you're extremely effective and I think it would be a great profit center for you. so just imagine that it's a paid advertisement at the beginning of your car videos. But instead, for example you could be presenting my CPA firm services.
I was thinking of an ad for you. Get a can. And a muscular dude. Have him crush the can on his forehead. Then a voiceover says: "If you want your numbers crunched like this can, call Chris Whalen, CPA."
Wagon is way better than what people thoughts! SUV isn't the answer for what you need
SUV still have better step in height than a conventional wagon. Each have their place, wagons handle better but SUVs have in general a more comfortable step in height and sitting position. Not to mention because in the US wagons are not popular... There's just not enough choice
My absolute favorite Volvo. Long Live The Wagon.
Nice car but too expensive
Your right sir!
An absolut beauty…
However I would go for the xc edition…..what a car it is🤤🤤
Dont get the thing here, sedans are beautiful but worthless compared with the wagon..
This is definitely the best looking wagon currently on the market!
Loved the U.S. wagon market comparison at the end. I was in the market for an offroad-ish wagon last year, and came to nearly all the same conclusions as you. Bought an A4 Allroad, and I'm very happy.
Probably the best review of the V60 that I've watched ... and I've seen a few now, thanks!
It's as if Alex has been re-united with his long lost love! (2006 V70R)
I'd love a 4x4 wagon. My budget drives me to the Outback. I'm a Subaru fan since a boy, but I would love to have a little more power and fun in the Outback. I just hope the 2020 will have a turbo
Dude = wagons rule! So much better than SUVs.
Except for consumers that prefer the ingress and egress benefits of SUVs over wagons.
@@DoctorSkillz Ah someone who has driven both, I find the ride of many SUVs to be ridiculous and makes it harder to get in and out of (and I'm tall person), i much prefer a sedan-based wagon to any crossover.
@@MrMrich69 So a taller door height, higher seating position, and other larger overall dimensions make it more difficult for you? Where is this mythical wagon that is so easy for tall people to get into?
@@DoctorSkillz I have never needed those things as a tall person. So I really don't know what your talking about. But if you lfove those things then get a truck or a truck-based SUV (or perhaps a minivan) but a crossover is really an impractical vehicle that is to tall to be a car and but can not really offer the utility of a truck.
Merry Christmas Alex and thanks for another year of professional and comprehensive car reviews. My wish for 2019 is that wagons become available to all classes of car buyers . There are plenty now offered by the luxury brands but we need #WagonsForTheRestOfUs
I completely agree. There are a growing number of wagons in the market again, but these options primarily exist in the luxury class. I know the Americans are getting rid of cars altogether, but the VW Passat Wagon and Mazda6 Wagon, would be a nice addition to our market, as would the Subaru Levorg. I feel like buyers of VW, Mazda and Subaru are wagon people already, and that would not be a stretch.
@@diegomontoya8889 Yes.
@@diegomontoya8889 And the Mazda 6 wagon is already marketed elsewhere in the world. There was a great looking Fusion wagon (Mondeo) in Europe. I was under the impression that the Buick wagon won't be around long, since it's actually an Opel/Vauxhall and GM has spun off the brand (or cut their losses); they're now owned by Groupe PSA of France, parent of Citroen, Peugeot and DS.
I'll say this, I see a lot of VW wagons here in the northeast USA. It may be that BMW is doing Volvo a big favor by stopping shipment of the 3 wagon to North America. If the wagon is a niche, Volvo is going to be very happy to own that niche.
@@satnitcboy For the record, I want to see the new Corolla wagon they sell in Europe. It comes in gasoline and hybrid versions and looks to be a bit bigger than a Golf wagon.
@@satnitcboy Yeah, that Mondeo wagon in Europe is a nice looking estate, but Ford is dropping almost all their cars from the lineup, at least Stateside. And you are 100% correct about the Buick. It's based on the Opel and Opel has already dropped that platform (and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe GM and Opel went their separate ways?). So the state of Wagons still leaves a lot to be desired. Furthermore, I still consider the Subaru Outback to be a wagon, but if you search 2020 Subaru Outback, most forums seem to believe the future of the Outback will be as a crossover, not as a wagon. As you'll note, Subaru has not put the Outback onto there 'Global Architecture' Platform yet, but they have with the CrossTrek.
The V90 R-Design T6 AWD is my favorite wagon, followed by the Subaru Levorg 2.0 GT and 2019 Toyota Corolla Tourer. Unfortunately one cost an arm and a leg and the other two aren't even offered in this market.
Excellent review, as always. I, too, want Volvo to offer the V60 in the T8 trim in the US. Glad to see that I can get a wagon without the body-cladding and added height of the Allroad and Cross-Country.
I adore these seats with regard to the cloth and it's design. It's disheartening to hear they aren't that comfy. Love the looks of this wagon for sure. Great review as always Alex!
I would also love the T8 plug in, too.
"Big Al's Smax" made my whole week.
Wishing you all and your dear ones a great Christmas and a prosperous new year....
If Volvo offered the T8 plugin hybrid in the US I would buy it in a heartbeat. Currently driving the Kia Optima plugin and the trunk space is too limited. We need a plug-in wagon!
Now there is: it's the Polestar engineered T8 PHEV, but at 61K (ouch!). Just a bit too much (by about 10-12K) for me.
Not even a T6 option anymore.
What a sexy wagon!
Great review as always!
Glad to see the review unit was the entry level trim with the city weave cloth seats. We’re considering one optioned very close to this configuration, in denim blue. We would ditch Momentum trim and cloth seats for the t8 if it were an option. Our current plan is to wait and see if the t8 will be available as a 2020 MY before upgrading the wife’s 2016 V60. So as requested, we are a solid sale if the t8 (non CC) V60 were to come to the US. Do it, Volvo!!
Older video of yours but I live how much you were pushing for people to fight for the plug in hybrid
Glad Volvo increased rear seat legroom. That was the only reason I turned down a V60 in 2016 in favor of the S60i that had an extra 3 inches. If shopping today I would choose the wagon.
Looking for an extra 3".....that's what she said 😉😉😉
@Alex ... I'd buy a 2020 V60 Cross Country - and I did! Two weeks old so far, it's a wonderful vehicle so far. Thanks for the great video to help me choose.
My TSX Wagon, with its excellent suspension, steering and high quality leather seats, is a screaming bargain...even in the base version. It is a shame that Honda gave up on wagons.
A Buick Regal TourX discounted to $19,999 blow your decade old Honda away.
@@normt5463 No...not in terms of build quality, the suspension, the steering...the quality of the driving experience.......YMMV.
Choice of any wagon? Definetley the Mercedes Benz AMG E63S Wagon... All day every day. If we're talking my more realistic choice then I'd take this V60 in either T-6 R design trim or the Inscription trim for sure.
Sean Seilheimer Unlimited budget? Sure, get it.
Aside from "wow that's kewl" I never "get" the AMG version of the E wagon. Yes, it's fast. So what? The speed is almost completely unusable. And the sacrifice in harshness (it's so stiff as to be undriveable in the Northeast USA), reliability and economy just doesn't make any sense. As poor as Volvo's reliability reputation, my experience with Mercedes in the last 10 years has demonstrated that you lease it for 2 years, pray it stays out of the shop, and leave the $10,000 problems to someone else.
Would probably chose the V60 cc. Very nice looking car. I love the size category and ground clearance it would give me without committing to an SUV, which I drive the new XC60 now.
What a base model? No wood trim. Look great to me. Less electronic=less problem.
I had a 2015 V60 redesign and while I loved it it fell short in many levels. I wanted to get the new V60 but found the infotainment thing to be slow and complicated. Also the 6 cylinder was dropped in place of a 4. I prefer the smoothness of a 6 cylinder. So I switched to BMW. But it's a shame we can't get more wagons in North America such as Audi a6 wagon or bmw 5 series wagon - even if you want one you can't special order it in - which is bizarre. Kudos to Mercedes for keeping the e63 - low volume seller but they obviously care about meeting their customers needs.
My top pick (and hopefully an owner of one soon) is the E63 S wagon! Just gotta wait a couple more years for depreciation haha. The V60 though is an excellent wagon!
Thanks for uploading with 4K again.. 😍
UA-cam has to process the 4k so it will take time for that to be available, give it some time.
Its crazy that Cadillac dropped their wagons guess merc and volvo really are the last of a great body style
And the Buick Regal TourX.
Do you really think it's some deep conspiracy at GM? They just didn't sell. Give credit to Cadillac for bringing them to market in the first place even when the market was clearly moving toward CUVs. But as stupid as they may seem, GM is not stupid enough to kill a model that is selling well. Try to find a used Caddy wagon. You can't, because they didn't sell any new ones.
We have a 2016 V 60 and absolutely love it more and more each time we drive it. The infotainment system is old school and pretty much a bust, but we don't care. The sound system is awesome and that's what matters to us. And we have had zero service issues. Thx for the great reviews Alex!!
What was a "bust" about the old one? It was pretty much the same as iDrive (but with the knob on the waterfall console). With the 2015 refresh, it ticked off most things and to this day is probably better than Command and probably on-par with all but the newest BMW versions.
@@georgesnyder5337 George....our V60 has a 3G modem, which is so slow that it's basically useless. Indexing data into the nav system is very cumbersome with the rotating knob for selecting letters. The voice activation is not accurate enough. Sending a destination via the phone app to the nav system is ok, but not always convenient. We use our phones for navigation, so not a big concern. Now, the sound system in the V60 is awesome. Fantastic. Love it.
I bet there is no subject this man can not make boring!!
That infotainment is terrible. I prefer physical buttons for most things. (e.g. HVAC) Also, if you’re selling a luxury brand and are going to put most controls into the system, you should be using a very fast SOC to run it on.
MJ Lyco I last drove an S90 and the infotainment work really well
MJ Lyco neh
Sensus is really easy to use after couple of minutes....so owning it is no problem. It's more the longevity of the system and the support (updates) that worry me.
If you're born many decades ago, it could be an issue, but it's really not. Using an tablet or smartphone is no different...
Don't forget that Volvo will probably have the first car to have Android running the whole car infotainment system....it's the future... Audi and Volvo are going that route with apps and Google Maps embedded (traffic, Google account, GSM connection, etc...) with nice integration in the driver cluster.
That probably is the reason why I would wait for the 2020 V60...don,t know if the 2019 will be updated with Android....
Yes. Please, please please t8 versions of both the v60 and v90 in the US ASAP.
Volvo's V60 is the wagon to have.
I have tried the v60 T8 hybrid (chargabel) R-Design here in Europe, super good car with app. 400 hp one to try
How confident can we be about the future support of gasoline powered Volvos if the company is saying that going forward they are going to be making only electric and hybrid models?
I love this car, it is very beautiful
Great news... New v60 polestar for 2020 :)
Excellent review! Love the look from any angle inside out.
I think the pedestrian/cyclist/animal) detection is standard in all volvo cars since 2015 models. It is an integral part in the collision warning and autonomous braking starting from 2015
The V60 looks bigger than the VW Alltrack, yet the Alltrack apparently has substantially more cargo room with 30 sq ft seats up/66 sq ft seats down compared to 23/51 for the V60. I haven't seen the V60 in person but it seems surprising to me. I know the Alltrack is not in the same class, but one needs to be flexible when shopping in the wagon market, and the V60 CC would be stretching up for me. It's nearly perfect for my tastes but a little tight for cargo. Thinking I'll compare the V60 CC, Alltrack, TourX and 2020 Outback XT.
They are NOT headrests,they are head restraints to protect head in a crash ,fixed because that is the
Position which works. You don't realise the LED running lights are shaped as the Swedish Thor hammer! Who cares about BMW, this is about the Volvo 👍
Headrest is a generally accepted industry term. Clearly fixed locations are not required because Volvo uses an adjustable design in the XC40 and will also feature them on other small cars.
The head restraint position only 'works' if your height is within a specific range. If it's outwith that, you can't adjust it to sit correctly so I think it was a fair point to make.
You always do great detailed reviews. Thanks!
Nice Professional,and informative review. At first glance it seems like a nice wagon with some good things going for it. But the more info you gave the more it seemed overly complicated for my taste. I believe I would prefer just a little bit simpler,and maybe abit less Fashionable in return for more practicality.Although it does sound like it has excellent power and MPG.
congrats to those who watched this earlier.
Alex! Will you at some point attempt to review the Buick Regal Tour X? Would love to know what you think about it.
Comparing Motor Trend test results of the T6 and the Buick, the TourX runs rings around the V60.
You made me think how great a Acura TLX SH-AWD wagon with the V6 would be. Yea I'd probably trade my TSX wagon in for one. Just got to keep the price down :)
Just get a TourX 2.0T with torque vectoring AWD and Active Twin Clutch for low $20's.
In Canada, we get the C-Class wagon. Even the refreshed one
Out of all the reviews I have seen so far you have been most informative on the V60 on the interior etc. Thank you . I am from Australia and I just bought my first 2020 v60 :D
How has it held up?
@@benjidowning2609 update: i ended up cancelling the order got my money back and got a 2020 Renault koleos black edition. Solid car and saved myself over 15k
@@dtomic17 what made you cancel your order?
@@benjidowning2609 the order on the Volvo would have taken a while to come and I needed a car asap. The koleos ticked all boxes and saved myself 15k+
I've always found it incredibly strange how manufacturers say "oh, Americans don't buy wagons, so we don't offer them in as many trims or with as many drivetrains."
Then I talk to people who are in the market for cars, and they say "I would love to buy *such and such* wagon, but they don't offer it in the trim I want or with the drivetrain I want, so I'm going to buy something else."
Manufacturers PREVENT the wagon market from ever taking off here by starving it of selection. Maybe the people I talk to are a small market, but I know there are more wagon sales possible in the United States if manufacturers offered wagons in more trims and with more drivetrain choices. What manufacturers need to realize is that the wagon buyer is typically YOUNGER and more of an ENTHUSIAST. They are looking for a utility vehicle that does 90% of an SUV but with the superior on-road performance of a car...preferably, a somewhat sporty car. Maybe slightly less true of Volvo buyers. But I can guarantee that BMW would sell a lot of 3 Wagons in M sport, 40i, and M3 variants, Audi would sell a fair deal of S4 and RS4 Avants, and Subaru would sell a lot of WRX hatchbacks in the United States if they bothered...
They sell plenty of wagons. They're just covered in ugly plastic lifted 3", and called crossovers now.
It really sucks to have to order suspension lowering bits for a new car just to have it sit at the correct ride height but that's the market for ya these days.
A nice Volkswagen golf wagon R would be the coolest!
PY Guay there is a Sportwagen R that’s sold in Europe. Sadly not available in North America.
I'd like to agree, but I don't know if we can trust the idea that the market is leading the consumers - though it could be true. I've noted watching Brit reviews that there has been a Fusion wagon (Mondeo) and a Fusion hatch (maybe if Ford had tried that here they wouldn't be giving up on sedans.) Also, the Mazda 6 is available in other markets as a great looking wagon. If I were buying a new car right now it would def be one of the Volvo wagons - function, good driving, decent economy, GREAT looks in and out, and it's not just another small truck disguised as a car - or vice versa.
I share your frustration, Matt. Having owned both Volvo and Saab "sportswagons" in the past, I still miss them. But I think you've ignored an issue that came up in our family several years ago. My wife and many of her female friends place a higher priority on visibility in urban/suburban traffic that what you term "superior on road performance." And with the roads packed with SUV's and jacked up pickups, many drivers feel their most reasonable option is to join the crowd in a vehicle with a higher driver's seating position. It's like nuclear deterrence, of course. As drivers opt for SUV's in defense, it only makes the problem worse.
In our family the Kia Sorento crossover is my wife's daily driver. And she chose it over a wagon specifically because she feels more confident in a vehicle where she's not sitting at the level of other vehicles' wheels.
I would like to have seen more photos of the cargo area with the rear seats down. Volvo claims widely varying cargo area specs with the seats folded. All of them seem extremely small.
I went to go look at one of these today in Houston, only to find that not a single dealership carries one. And it turns out they just killed the T6 option. Only special order for these guys. Oh well.
Interesting camera angle, like a selfie for car.
Would love to see Genesis making a G70 wagon.....or a KIA Stinger wagon....
They sell nowhere near enough of those to even think about it.
Me too! A G70 wagon a sport package and with all the goodies - I'd buy one this minute.
For sure.
Volvo and Buick still kings of wagons
Buick no longer (or at least currently) doesn't offer a wagon. -Travis
@@AAutoBuyersGuide yea sadly they stop selling it to the US in 2020 but still in China.
Such a beautiful design, but reliability is a big concern. Maybe this is a good lease.
Jeff Is it the 4 cyl- turbo/ supercharged engine?
rmb9311 that and the infotainment system that controls everything. Wish it had more physical buttons so you didn’t have to search for commonly used functions like heated seats and climate controls. If the infotainment fails your up $hit creek.
@@jsboening Good point
Meanwhile, for a couple decades, many hard buttons simply controlled the same type of relays as the screen "soft" button. @@jsboening
George Snyder The thing that worries me is if the screen dies you lose access to all your controls. Much more expensive and complicated than dedicated buttons.
Please test the Regal TourX in Essence trim... Pretty please? I need your analytical eye on it
If you haven't driven one they ride really nice and handle fairly good. The $10,000 discount is icing on the cake.
@alex are you reviewing the TourX?
The design is gorgeous, but why do these new wagon's tend to not have roof racks for extra carrying capacity such as luggage or bikes!
They've got the rails - the various racks are options. Check out Volvo's website, you'll find a range available from your dealers.
Alex. Isn't the plug-in available with or in the Polestar V60 in the U.S.??
Absolutely stunning vehicle
Give me an old 850... with the sound of the 5 cylinders. I don't even need a turbo. This thing is just a problems nest.
What do you think the life expectancy on this 4 cyl-turbo-supercharged engine is ?
Depends on how well they designed the head gasket. The problem with Volvo isn't their engines but the computerized "accoutrements". Getting back to the engine I'd say (because it's turbo charged, and sometimes super charged) about 100,000 miles. Baby it with regular oil changes and new filters every 3000-4000 miles and you could get more---if the infotainment smorgasbord they have going on here holds out. My guess is it won't and you'll be glad you merely Leased it for a few years before running away screaming into the night.
Buy a used one and keep living in 1997. The car market has moved on. Why don't you come along for the ride?
I got a 940 wagon. Not a 5cyl but still has a nice low note to it.
@@alliejr Give him enough money to be able to buy and maintain a today's car and maybe he will.
Fantastic wagon. Can be ordered online! And you don' have to wait months and months like you do with the XC40.
Thanks for the review and Merry Christmas Alex! Are the seats the same size and shape as the base Momentum seats in the XC90? I absolutely love the City Weave and I find the base Momentum seats (in the XC90) very comfortable. I’d like to see more drivetrain options including electrification but I personally would prefer a T5 AWD.
@2.55 red brake lights not Amber, aren't all brake lights red, no matter what market?
Alex: Jaguar has finally, in the U.S., come with a "Prestige" wagon, which unlike the XF-S powered wagon, was the only wagon configuration you could buy in 2018, has a 300 H.P. 4 cylinder as opposed to the 360 H.P. Supercharged 6. It would be great to compare that with this. You are the guy to do it. Thanks.
Isn't Jaguar ending the wagon in the states?
@@normt5463 No. First they came with the XF Sportbrake last year in the S guise with a 360 HP 6 cylinder supercharged only. In Europe they have it in diesel and a 247 HP 4 cylinder. Now they finally offer a 300 HP 4 new prestige model here.
@@7mgeller "Just yesterday we brought you a report indicating that the British automaker was preparing to withdraw its mid-size wagon from the North American market. But a spokesperson for the automaker now assures us that's not the case. "The current Jaguar XF Sportbrake remains in the lineup and is available at retailers and for ordering,” Jaguar's Maria Rodriguez informed CarBuzz by correspondence." Carbuzz March 2019
These new Volvos are pure sex. They're going to dominate the luxury market if they keep this up. And that's before mentioning Volvo anything are the safest vehicles in their respective classes.
Wrong. Volvos are not safer than anything else. I suspect, they were safest vehicles before you were born. Back in good old times, Volvo was made for a Swedish market. Tough winters required thick metals that didn't rust through in a couple of years. Volvos were like tanks. But these days their safety innovation is in electronics just like every other car. Another thing that added to Volvo "safety" - Volvo kept saying that no one died in one of their cars. I mean, if you sell 10 cars there is a good chance that more people will die in cars that sell more. Volvo tanks were definitely safer than most American cars, which we know how were built.
@@theodorekell Volvo vehicles all passed the IIHS's small overlap crash test when it was first introduced in the late 00s, virtually everyone else's vehicles failed and needed beefed up crash structures in order to pass it, Volvos didn't. Go look at IIHS crash tests and look at the pictures, Volvos across the board hold up better than other brands. The gap has narrowed a lot (which is fantastic for everybody honestly, safety FTW), but I'd still trust a Volvo to protect me over anything else. There's even a video of a V70 crashing into a giant Scania truck head-on in a small overlap crash and the driver coming out fine. Volvos are still over-engineered for safety. Just look at all the crazy tests they put their cars through at their facility in Sweden. Even the seats in their cars are engineered to reduce forces on the spine in crashes where the vehicle goes airborne.
My next car will be a Volvo.
@@MrHav1k So did the Honda vehicles. All but smallest Fit passed overlap from the beginning. In fact, Hondas are some of the safest cars. I had 2 friends who had Accord and MDX destroyed in accidents but both walked out un-injured. I t-boned some one @45mph in 1990 Civic and walked out with some scratches. I am confident that any MB or BMW are as safe or more safe than Volvo. These cars are built for high speed and for crashes at that speed, look: ua-cam.com/video/KbdH-J6UoYI/v-deo.html
@@theodorekell all cars are safe today, even Honda economy cars.
@@normt5463This conversation wasn't about that - follow the context
Alex the type of guy that should review the mercedes amg e63 s
I like the floor height of Sedans and the seating position of SUV. You can call it a CUV. And example of which is Kia Rondo 2007~2012.
I hope automakers move away from sedans and wagons and move towards CUV, which is not only more practical than SUV, but also drives better.
I love my 2008 Kia Rondo. Everytime I go to test other vehicles, I always conclude my Rondo is just perfect.
Alex, pedestrian, large animal, and cyclist detection is standard on all models. It's all inclusive under the City Safety umbrella.
Buick Active Twin Clutch can send 100% torque to a single wheel, while Acura SH-AWD only sends 70% fore or aft. That why SH-AWD fails the three roller test with one wheel on the ground.
The TourX also offers the same 295 lb-ft of torque or same as the T6.
Tour X is also German, not American designed so he was pretty wrong on all accounts
Nobody cares about Buick. As Alex said, it doesn't feel premium. GM junk.
@@埼玉はぱ We just drove two and they are very nice compared to my Envision. The Envision has less road noise and has a better "think to the doors closing but is quieter overall.
The TourX does ride better over road protections and the icing on the cake is a $41K TourX is under $29K or almost half the price of the V60.
@@swanblake Comparing Motor Trend test results of the T6 and the Buick, the TourX runs rings around the V60.
I love my 2015.5 V60R
I loved driving the V60 wagon 2 weeks ago. I'm having a hard time to pick between this or the C300 Wagon in Canada!
v60 is bigger, c 300 is claustrophobic
This looks better, but the Benz performs a lot better (IMO).
The door entry looks very tight
I wish reviewers would include reliability and maintenance in their reviews, I will be buying the V60, I like the audi a4 avant we get in europe, but not the audi reliabilty and issues that come with it
With new vehicles we really don't know what the reliability will be. I think it's better to send folks to reliability research sites for their prognostications.
Hey, but are we going to get the T8 Plug-in Hybrid? Not sure I heard you, the first 6,800 times you said it.
Alex, Are you ever going to show us how you get that amazing camera angle? I am surprised your camera didn't hit a tree branch.
It's different, but I'd definitely cross-shop this against the Kia Stinger. Then, I'd probably bail and buy a $15k Equus with massaging seats.
I want this car..
This really interests me. :) good for a family man like me
4th in the comments! I wonder if there will ever be a three row wagon! That will be great
Looks awesome, nice car!
Alex, I'm thinking some iteration of the V60 is my choice - though I haven't tested it or been inside, and I'd like to compare space and comfort with the V90 (I'm 6'3"). I think both of them are great looking, but from where the driver sits I like the dashboard of the V60 better - I don't care for that big slab of wood trim on the 90, whereas the more sculptural trim on the 60 cars is to my eye sleeker. As far as getting one of them, if that should happen it will hinge on how the car "feels." That goes for the CC versions as well - though I'm disposed to like the lower riding wagon, I can see how the CC might be just that more versatile. If I did get a CC I'd have to go with one of the colors that offers full paint over the wheel cladding - don't much like the grey plastic.
Personally, I enjoyed the previous design language Volvo had. Every automaker seems to be gearing towards a more sharp/pointy/sculpted look.
Yea no car is unique now....
I agree. I think the previous design was genius. I wish they had built on that. And the V40 is really beautiful. The new V60 is merely competent.
RIGHT....i drive a V40 CROSS COUNTRY T4 NORDIC + 2017 and i love the floating console.......looks so cool with the backlighting!
My standard most important test for a car, or anything else including public enclosed spaces, is a variant of "shit, my car's on fire!" speed of exit test. In this regard this car fails. Didn't you find the door aperture height too low to get your head out before your body? To compound this, the A pillar slopes back so far that there is no advantage to bending your head forward and down. It is also very low to the ground overall to such an extent that if you parallel park alongside a kerb, you are effectively crawling out at pavement level in a most undignified way. Same goes for S and V90 models. V60 Cross Country improves on the pavement test but overall still fails the 'Oh shit my car's on fire!' test.
So you'd prefer a very fast, tall ground clearance = poor handling, car (or should I say "vehicle")? This is a European car, where there are still some people left who value good handling over driving something that handles like a Conestoga wagon (that is, SUVs). The V60 fills a niche.
@@markg1531
Very low cars are in steep decline everywhere. They are fast becoming a niche market. But that is not my point. Even low cars can have practical door apertures that are not proportioned for girls and midgets. Two examples of doors designed for midgets are the S and V 60 and 90 Volvo's and the Peugeot 2008 and family. No need for this, because there is no such issue with, for instance, the Ford Fiesta and Focus. If cars are built for only the more petite and athletic among us, they are indeed destined to be a very niche product.
@@hedydd2 I see your point. Thanks.
Please review the VW beetle Final Edition 2019, thank you!
Why doesn’t Volvo offer a cross country version? In snowy parts of the world we need some higher ground clearance but not necessarily higher center of gravity that comes with suv/cuvs
Oops never mind. Alex as usual covered all bases
Nice video!
This or an XC40? ...hmmm ...I'm conflicted ...both are hot!
Didn't know that Volvo is now Chinese owned...I hope they maintain their design and safety principles.
I have trouble understanding why Volvo sends reviewers the base model of their cars. Don' they want people to spend more money?
It's funny that that happens - on the other hand, most recent Volvo reviews I've seen have provided cars that include the $3200 B&W stereo. And every reviewer praises it, and says "You gotta get it", though that wouldn't be first on my list of extras.
It that Endor? /Swede
The most intelligent test and review I've come across on youtube. Thank you for tackling the handling - so important. If a Genesis G70 3.3T wagon existed, with a sport package, that's what I'd buy in an instant. As it is, I think I'll get the V60 T6 Inscription, possibly with the Polestar option. I agree about your regrets about the absence of the 2020 BMW M340i wagon but I saw the new BMW M340i sedan at the LA car show a few weeks ago and to my mind it's just beyond ugly. Probably designed primarily for the Chinese. I'm also considering the new BMW X2 M35i - I wonder how its handling compares to the V60s? Are you going to test one soon?
What did you end up getting and how is it?
@@tdf6893 I got a stinger GT two. It was nice, comfortable and fast but a tremendous gas guzzler. I have sold it. I’m done with fast cars. I now drive a new Mazda CX 30 awd and I love it for its comfort, beauty and practicality. It’s a modest car but a very competent one.
Please don't thumbs down because you don't like the vehicle. Like it or not, he gives good, thorough reviews.
Alex, I think that you should offer a service where you present products from other companies the way that you also do cars. I think you're extremely effective and I think it would be a great profit center for you.
so just imagine that it's a paid advertisement at the beginning of your car videos. But instead, for example you could be presenting my CPA firm services.
Chris Whalen, CPA Shoot Your Shot 2018!
I was thinking of an ad for you.
Get a can. And a muscular dude. Have him crush the can on his forehead.
Then a voiceover says:
"If you want your numbers crunched like this can, call Chris Whalen, CPA."
T8 V60 PLEASE!!!
What's the point of Volvo going to all 4 bangers if the t6 only gets f150 mileage.
These new Volvos are freaking awesome IMO. BTW, Alex the first video of yours that I ever watched was your review of the last gen V60.
Great. Where is the engine?
What a really want is somebody to offer a mainstream affordable wagon besides VW.
You can Buick Regal TourX 2.0T with Active Twin Clutch AWD for low $20's. Nothing from VAG can match that!
@Norm T. Those Buicks start around $30K.
@@danielc3321 The TourX is about #10,000 off MSRP depending on what incentives are available to you. Most are low $20's.
What is Buick by the way ? 😊
Opel
Ask Norm T
@@theodorekell Buick sales are a distant 4th behind Lexus. Mercedes, and BMW.
@@temur72 Buick sells more than Acura.
@@normt5463 Good for then, doesn't matter to me