_Excellent_ point! I never knew poor scheming was a hereditary trait but there it is. 😂 This is one of those hilariously flawed "what could possibly go wrong?" plans.
It's a pity that we don't have the point of view of the screenwriters of the time. I always wondered if Ash shouldn't be the child's father. My point of view is that the actor who played Deacon was available and that the plans have changed.
@@annieo6527 Off the top of my head (up to this point in the show's history) I can only of one plan of Eric's that actually worked: when he pretended to be in love with Sally to get her to pull the stolen Forrester designs from her showing. Can you think of any other successful Eric plan? (It can't just be something he did or said, it has to be a _plan_ plan with some deceit or steps)
It's interesting how even though Bridget is just a supporting player in this storyline, she's actually exerting a lot of influence and control over it. She's the one who guilted Brooke into breaking up with Thorne and she's the one convincing Kimberly to let Thorne keep thinking that they had sex. She's a Junior Storyteller in training, like the baby in _The Incredibles_ who wasn't even aware of his own superpowers. And of course this is another trait she shares with Stephanie.
YES! She is very much like a junior Stephanie. And we saw her in that Storyteller/Director role in a very literal sense recently when she pulled back the curtain to reveaI Kimberly and Thorne kissing. And yet she is still likable, and her manipulations come across as _justified,_ because she is trying to protect her mother from making what is obviously a bad mistake, as well as protecting herself from the humiliation of having yet another brother for a stepfather. She is a little too manipulative to be an archetypal Good Girl, but she nowhere near being a Villain or a Bad Girl. In fact, she occupies the space on the moraI spectrum where we usually find Stephanie (will do whatever it takes, for a fundamentally good cause).
What I always loved about that end credits sequence (showing the intersection of Sunset Blvd and La Ciegna) is that it is so demonstrative of how, even back when it was filmed in 1993, so few Angelinos use turn signals… just 3 out of 20 in this case 😂😂
Brooke: “what I felt for you was so sacred to me, I never felt that with anyone else…” you say that to every man, Brooke. And there were many of them😂🤦♀️
That fact bugs me so much throughout the years. Brooke tells her current partner, "I've never felt this way before" or "I've never been so happy" or something along those lines. It can't all be true and makes her words meaningless. Similar to Ridge and Liam telling Taylor/Brooke and Hope/Steffy they are the love of their lives, depending on who is their current partner. Empty words.
Brooke whining that thinking of Thorne making love to another woman ripped her soul out - let’s be honest, that thing was hanging on by a very thin thread anyway. . . NGL, CJ firmly laying down the law and reading Rick the business was super-hot.
I was thinking that if that's the case, why didn't it make her give up on Thorne when he was making love to another woman before - _all through his marriage to Macy?_ Now suddenly one drunken night with Kimberly is enough to scare Brooke away?
Talk about incredibly dishonest!! Bridget was so morally wrong to ask Kimberly to keep the truth from Thorne, is no different than what people say about Brooke!
The Wicked Witch of the West Coast had this coming. Dorothy(aka Kimberly) has her ruby slippers and she wants them back. Thorne is the scarecrow, he has no brain.
*Kimberly the Bad Good Girl* The show is doing quite a balancing act with Kimberly. She is being portrayed as the Good Girl contrast to Brooke, while also filling the Bad Girl plot function of manipulating the situation to keep Brooke and Thorne apart. This is something we saw during her rivalry with Amber as well, where she was simultaneously portrayed as an ingenue and a home wr ec ker. In fact, Kimberly is _using_ her Good Girl persona as a manipuIation tactic to make Brooke insecure, which is something of a paradox. If this was all conscious scheming, it would be more straightforward because then it would just be Kimberly being a Bad Girl pretending to be Good. But in this case, Kimberly didn't deliberately Iie about having s ex with Thorne, and seems to actually want to tell him the truth, which is a Good Girl trait, and it is Bridget who has to convince her not to do it. On the other hand, Kimberly has no problem setting Brooke up to believe that something happened that night, telling her to go ask Thorne, knowing what _he_ mistakenly believes. So Kimberly is really this moraIIy ambiguous character who seems to believe herself to be genuinely in love, but also clearly enjoys the part where she gets revenge on Brooke.
Great analysis Annie! And Kimberly seems to be aware of her morally ambiguous position - for instance when she told Stephanie she doesn't mind "borrowing a page" from Brooke, "but not a whole chapter." The "book" metaphor draws attention to the show's writing and Kimberly was practically saying she wants to be written like Brooke but _not too much_ like Brooke.
@@NewYorkNick0607 ooh, great catch! I missed the "borrowing a page but not a whole chapter" line, thanks for pointing it out! Yes, that is a really telling metaphor because it seems to put Kimberly in a Storyteller position, where like Brooke, she is attempting to write her own romance (and like Brooke, she is an unreliable narrator because there really is no love story).
I kinda see your point but The storylines the last couple of years are far worse than these of the early 2000's. I don't even watch the new episodes. So tired of Brooke Miss Stephanie & Taylor. C.J. can act circles around Zende & R.J.
Almost all the BB characters have been agaist Brooke and Thorne and still we can't root for them. Because Macy has di ed. The only ones left to support Brooke and Thorne storyline are two young characters. The leading ones don't care at all.
It is really difficult to get past the part where Brooke and Thorne's relationship is built on another woman's grave. That automatically reduces the rooting value to below zero.
Why does Brooke say that if Kimberly had been Iying, that would have made "all the difference in the world"? Would she then have changed her mind, undone her difficult but morally right decision, and chosen Thorne over her children? (Apparently, she totally would have.)
To me this shows that Brooke's _real_ motivation for breaking up with Thorne was her insecurity over Kimberly, not her great love for her children. She just used the latter to make it sound more noble. And it also shows how much influence Bridget is quietly exerting over this plot (I just posted something about this).
@@NewYorkNick0607 yes, that is a plausible explanation. It was always a bit of a stretch that she didn't even think of breaking up with Thorne "for the children" until _after_ she caught Thorne and Kimberly kissing. Bridget was just as upset about the relationship before the fashion show, but it was not a deciding factor for Brooke then.
All this time dedicated to the youngest characters is annoying. Maybe back then they wanted to have more young viewers for BB and the script is so basic.
Yeah, all of Brooke's relationships are gross. She had father and both sons and many others. She will add a couple of son in laws and daughters boyfriend and sisters husband to it. She already had her mothers lover. Brooke is sick.
@@lindsaym1226 I agree with Eric, Rigde, Donna, Katie, Bill jr, Hope, wyatt, Bridget, Amber and Liam. They are sick as well. They love to do the rodeo between multiple people in the same family.
Kimberly, you have Stephanie's blessing for this almost but you have forgotten that it's your sweet sister Macy's ex husband! Where are the high morals and values! Poor Macy so easily forgotten... Why Kimberly, WHY! 😆
Just like Brooke forgot her mother when she went after Eric. And forgot her daughter when she went after Deacon. And forgot her husband when she was married to Eric and went after his son. At least Macy is deceased. All those family members were ALIVE when Brooke betrayed and hurt them.
@@Kuunpoika Kimberly talks about Macy's memory all the time. She hasn't forgotten her. If she went after Thorne while Macy was still alive that would be one thing, but she didn't.
@SuzanneAllen-ne2nr I mean, as such a high moral young woman with integrity, you shouldn't even look at your death sister's ex husband! But of course it's okay because it's not Brooke! Got it! 😉
@@Kuunpoika Again Brooke did much worse things while those were people were alive. That's why it's different. (I agree with you that Kimberly doesn't have as much integrity and morals as she says she does)
Rick coming up with a plan that will blow up in his face and make things worse? He really _is_ Eric's son!
_Excellent_ point! I never knew poor scheming was a hereditary trait but there it is. 😂
This is one of those hilariously flawed "what could possibly go wrong?" plans.
It's a pity that we don't have the point of view of the screenwriters of the time. I always wondered if Ash shouldn't be the child's father. My point of view is that the actor who played Deacon was available and that the plans have changed.
@@annieo6527 Off the top of my head (up to this point in the show's history) I can only of one plan of Eric's that actually worked: when he pretended to be in love with Sally to get her to pull the stolen Forrester designs from her showing. Can you think of any other successful Eric plan? (It can't just be something he did or said, it has to be a _plan_ plan with some deceit or steps)
Yup! But Eric’s dad will generate storyline for years and is STILL on the show.
@@NewYorkNick0607 I am trying to think of one, but I can't. "Successful Eric plan" is not a combination of words I'm used to reading. 😂
Brooke warning Bridget to stay away from Kimberly when SHE will turn out to be the biggest threat to her daughter. 🥴
power of hypocrisy
It's interesting how even though Bridget is just a supporting player in this storyline, she's actually exerting a lot of influence and control over it. She's the one who guilted Brooke into breaking up with Thorne and she's the one convincing Kimberly to let Thorne keep thinking that they had sex. She's a Junior Storyteller in training, like the baby in _The Incredibles_ who wasn't even aware of his own superpowers. And of course this is another trait she shares with Stephanie.
YES! She is very much like a junior Stephanie. And we saw her in that Storyteller/Director role in a very literal sense recently when she pulled back the curtain to reveaI Kimberly and Thorne kissing.
And yet she is still likable, and her manipulations come across as _justified,_ because she is trying to protect her mother from making what is obviously a bad mistake, as well as protecting herself from the humiliation of having yet another brother for a stepfather. She is a little too manipulative to be an archetypal Good Girl, but she nowhere near being a Villain or a Bad Girl. In fact, she occupies the space on the moraI spectrum where we usually find Stephanie (will do whatever it takes, for a fundamentally good cause).
What I always loved about that end credits sequence (showing the intersection of Sunset Blvd and La Ciegna) is that it is so demonstrative of how, even back when it was filmed in 1993, so few Angelinos use turn signals… just 3 out of 20 in this case 😂😂
Rick: "I really missed you, buddy!" _(immediately puts kid in playpen)_
I guess for someone in the comment section it is spending time with a child
😂😂😂
Brooke: “what I felt for you was so sacred to me, I never felt that with anyone else…” you say that to every man, Brooke. And there were many of them😂🤦♀️
That fact bugs me so much throughout the years. Brooke tells her current partner, "I've never felt this way before" or "I've never been so happy" or something along those lines. It can't all be true and makes her words meaningless. Similar to Ridge and Liam telling Taylor/Brooke and Hope/Steffy they are the love of their lives, depending on who is their current partner. Empty words.
If by "sacred" she means "like a Pez dispenser."
It’s “destiny”!
Bridget is just as bad Lol
@@lisamb4269so Bridget has slept her way through a family before?
Did anyone see the cute YT video with Bridgett talking about S14 premiering? Very cute.
Poor Bridget, Your life is going to become a nightmare bigger than you can imagine right now
She destroyed her own life by not staying away from her mom always forgiving her
Brooke whining that thinking of Thorne making love to another woman ripped her soul out - let’s be honest, that thing was hanging on by a very thin thread anyway. . .
NGL, CJ firmly laying down the law and reading Rick the business was super-hot.
I was thinking that if that's the case, why didn't it make her give up on Thorne when he was making love to another woman before - _all through his marriage to Macy?_ Now suddenly one drunken night with Kimberly is enough to scare Brooke away?
And Deacon is born!
"This is the way it HAS to be." Those are very strong words.
So Ricky boy running to find his future brother in law/father of his half sister to give him custody so Helen can raise the baby😂😂
Yep. Decaon is gonna get Amber, his sister, and his Mother 😅
@@mariemorales4165 Later on, on Y& R. But He did want Amber after meeting her
@@mariemorales4165noy mistake, but Deacon did blackmail her into bed.
@@lindsaym1226 but they didn't have sex.
@@mariemorales4165 they did have sex
Talk about incredibly dishonest!! Bridget was so morally wrong to ask Kimberly to keep the truth from Thorne, is no different than what people say about Brooke!
The Wicked Witch of the West Coast had this coming. Dorothy(aka Kimberly) has her ruby slippers and she wants them back. Thorne is the scarecrow, he has no brain.
😂 you funny,he got paid just to be naive😂
Brooke: "She brought Thorne down, I don't want her to bring you down." The arrogance. So Kimberly costing Thorne Brooke is bringing him down? 🤦♂
Should have left Brooke to move in with Thorne... j
brooke logic
0:18 Miss Logan wants to act! Right on cue: "Brooke walks across the room, turns around, flips hair, slaps left hip."
She always does that...goin on 37yrs🤢🤣
She's a great actress.
@@roubad9034😂😂🤦♀️
@@roubad9034🤢🤢🤣😂
How can Thorn break and commitment with Brook when they broke up?
Great point. They are not actually in a relationship here.
They need to fix the playlist link
*Kimberly the Bad Good Girl*
The show is doing quite a balancing act with Kimberly. She is being portrayed as the Good Girl contrast to Brooke, while also filling the Bad Girl plot function of manipulating the situation to keep Brooke and Thorne apart. This is something we saw during her rivalry with Amber as well, where she was simultaneously portrayed as an ingenue and a home wr ec ker.
In fact, Kimberly is _using_ her Good Girl persona as a manipuIation tactic to make Brooke insecure, which is something of a paradox.
If this was all conscious scheming, it would be more straightforward because then it would just be Kimberly being a Bad Girl pretending to be Good. But in this case, Kimberly didn't deliberately Iie about having s ex with Thorne, and seems to actually want to tell him the truth, which is a Good Girl trait, and it is Bridget who has to convince her not to do it. On the other hand, Kimberly has no problem setting Brooke up to believe that something happened that night, telling her to go ask Thorne, knowing what _he_ mistakenly believes.
So Kimberly is really this moraIIy ambiguous character who seems to believe herself to be genuinely in love, but also clearly enjoys the part where she gets revenge on Brooke.
Great analysis Annie! And Kimberly seems to be aware of her morally ambiguous position - for instance when she told Stephanie she doesn't mind "borrowing a page" from Brooke, "but not a whole chapter." The "book" metaphor draws attention to the show's writing and Kimberly was practically saying she wants to be written like Brooke but _not too much_ like Brooke.
@@NewYorkNick0607 ooh, great catch! I missed the "borrowing a page but not a whole chapter" line, thanks for pointing it out! Yes, that is a really telling metaphor because it seems to put Kimberly in a Storyteller position, where like Brooke, she is attempting to write her own romance (and like Brooke, she is an unreliable narrator because there really is no love story).
Rick coming over to Sally’s house on the same day like a psycho stalker 😱
I kinda see your point but
The storylines the last couple of years are far worse than these of the early 2000's.
I don't even watch the new episodes. So tired of Brooke
Miss Stephanie & Taylor.
C.J. can act circles around
Zende & R.J.
Almost all the BB characters have been agaist Brooke and Thorne and still we can't root for them. Because Macy has di ed.
The only ones left to support Brooke and Thorne storyline are two young characters. The leading ones don't care at all.
It is really difficult to get past the part where Brooke and Thorne's relationship is built on another woman's grave. That automatically reduces the rooting value to below zero.
Why does Brooke say that if Kimberly had been Iying, that would have made "all the difference in the world"? Would she then have changed her mind, undone her difficult but morally right decision, and chosen Thorne over her children?
(Apparently, she totally would have.)
To me this shows that Brooke's _real_ motivation for breaking up with Thorne was her insecurity over Kimberly, not her great love for her children. She just used the latter to make it sound more noble. And it also shows how much influence Bridget is quietly exerting over this plot (I just posted something about this).
@@NewYorkNick0607 yes, that is a plausible explanation. It was always a bit of a stretch that she didn't even think of breaking up with Thorne "for the children" until _after_ she caught Thorne and Kimberly kissing. Bridget was just as upset about the relationship before the fashion show, but it was not a deciding factor for Brooke then.
C. J. Too much anger. Not fit to be a Father.
Amber-Chameleon😂
Brooke is the one who broke it off LOL 😂😂😂😂😂she is so delusional
CJ has become such a jerk.
All this time dedicated to the youngest characters is annoying. Maybe back then they wanted to have more young viewers for BB and the script is so basic.
This entire storyline is SO gross!
KIMBERLY STORYLINE IS GROSS
Yeah, all of Brooke's relationships are gross. She had father and both sons and many others. She will add a couple of son in laws and daughters boyfriend and sisters husband to it.
She already had her mothers lover.
Brooke is sick.
@andream5998 don't forget Donna, Katie, Hope, Steffy, Taylor, Ridge, Thorne, Eric, Wyatt, Bill Jr, Liam, Bridget, Felicia, Amber, Thomas, Zende, Caroline 2.0.
@@lindsaym1226😂😂🤦♀️
@@lindsaym1226 I agree with Eric, Rigde, Donna, Katie, Bill jr, Hope, wyatt, Bridget, Amber and Liam. They are sick as well. They love to do the rodeo between multiple people in the same family.
If Rick wants to see the child why doesn’t he? He’s pawing Amber instead.
Why does Kimberly seem as if she's high all the time? Or something is off with her..
I hate to say it but I think she’s just not very bright and it shows.
Omg these characters are annoying af with these marriage proposals. Why is there always a rush to be married?
Totally agree. Have they never heard of dating?…or hooking up?? 😂
To know such a spoiled brat- great job Brooke!!
I’m surprised Brooke isn’t laying into Rick about getting back with Amber. Stay tuned…
Brooke Forrester should have broke up with thorn forrester😮 in this episode😮
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Thorne need to give up on getting Brooke back in his life.
Don't do it rick, I have a feeling that he'll marry your sister and cheat on her with your mom and get her pregnant. 😬
The Kimberly and Thorne thing is GROSS
Storyline now boring.
Too much Eric the 3rd.
Testing
You passed the test.
Rick - Amber-Cj Triangle.
Boring.
He is NOT your son, CJ!!!!
Hate hate hate CJ🤮🤮🤮
he is gorgeous!
Kimberly, you have Stephanie's blessing for this almost but you have forgotten that it's your sweet sister Macy's ex husband! Where are the high morals and values! Poor Macy so easily forgotten... Why Kimberly, WHY! 😆
Just like Brooke forgot her mother when she went after Eric. And forgot her daughter when she went after Deacon. And forgot her husband when she was married to Eric and went after his son.
At least Macy is deceased. All those family members were ALIVE when Brooke betrayed and hurt them.
@SuzanneAllen-ne2nr Why you bring up Brooke into this? It's not about Brooke but Kimberly!
@@Kuunpoika Kimberly talks about Macy's memory all the time. She hasn't forgotten her. If she went after Thorne while Macy was still alive that would be one thing, but she didn't.
@SuzanneAllen-ne2nr I mean, as such a high moral young woman with integrity, you shouldn't even look at your death sister's ex husband! But of course it's okay because it's not Brooke! Got it! 😉
@@Kuunpoika Again Brooke did much worse things while those were people were alive. That's why it's different. (I agree with you that Kimberly doesn't have as much integrity and morals as she says she does)